Another encouraging move, I think this will pass in Kansas.
Kansans to vote on right to own guns
Kansans will have the chance to vote next year on a constitutional amendment guaranteeing individuals the right to own firearms.
The House passed a resolution Wednesday to place the issue on the 2010 general election ballot. The vote was 116-9, far more than the two-thirds majority needed.
The Senate adopted the resolution Tuesday, 39-1.
Senate Concurrent Resolution 1611 would change the state Constitution to read: "a person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and state, for lawful hunting and recreational use, and for any other lawful purpose."
Currently, the state guarantees those rights for "the people."
A 1905 Kansas Supreme Court decision said it's a collective, not an individual, right. The proposed amendment would give the right to each person.
Supporters researched the issue after last year's U.S. Supreme Court ruling that the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment grants individuals the right to bear arms.
The Michigan Legislature is considering a similar resolution, which would reaffirms residents' right to bear arms. That resolution also states that it is the intent of the Michigan Legislature not to recognize or enforce unconstitutional firearm restrictions placed upon its citizens.
Thank God someone up on the Hill is using their head.
So sad that you have to "vote" on something that is already our God given right! >:(
Tersa, you are so right about that. I wonder what would happen if we kansas residents got together and told those in office that they are not going to vote on this issue because it has already been established? We are not going to allow them, in fact forbid them to take away our rights. If they continue to defy OUR policies they will be removed from office, they will be fired. After all they work for us, we are the boss.
I think that most of them, if not all, forgot that little detail.
Varmit, I really like your style and Philosophy, we need more people like you, Warph, Teresa, srkruzich, Jo, Catwoman on the forum, oh and I can't forget kshillbilly.
Quote from: Varmit on April 02, 2009, 06:56:06 PM
Tersa, you are so right about that. I wonder what would happen if we kansas residents got together and told those in office that they are not going to vote on this issue because it has already been established? We are not going to allow them, in fact forbid them to take away our rights. If they continue to defy OUR policies they will be removed from office, they will be fired. After all they work for us, we are the boss.
I think that most of them, if not all, forgot that little detail.
I think that this bill is a measure to stop Herr fuhers Generalstaatsanwalt from banning firearms. 20+ states have sent the administration a notice that they will not allow the govt to usurp their sovereignty.
Montana issued a similar notice to obama stating they will not recognize any regulation of firearms in montana.
Quote from: frawin on April 02, 2009, 07:03:33 PM
Varmit, I really like your style and Philosophy, we need more people like you, Warph, Teresa, srkruzich, Jo, Catwoman on the forum, oh and I can't forget kshillbilly.
Frank.. Although naturally birds of a feather stick together, that is why we tend to enjoy posts that roll with our own way of thinking.... But EVERYONE"S posts and opinions are valuable on here in this section. We are all Americans.. even though we don't see eye to eye, I think
if and when push comes to shove we will all band together as 'one".. :) Helping each other and our neighbors as much as we can ..
Even though I have been rather silent on the forum.. I am still working diligently hard on the front lines.
We are going to be active on location at the Second Amendment march in Washington.. plus NRA Convention is coming up in a few weeks and I will have my feet right in the middle of that.. so I may be silent here.. but I'm being heard loud and clear on the Hill... ;D
I am pleased to see more people getting actively involved in speaking out in this forum. We should all keep our eyes and ears totally open to all that is going on and never close your mind to anything..
Be safe...and Stay aware.............. :)
From what I have seen Tersa being safe and staying aware is the problem. By that, I mean outside of this forum I haven't seen that much, locally, that would suggest folks around here are becoming aware, or even care about what is going on. I don't mean for that to come across as a slight against them but it just seems like they are content to keep their eyes closed.
Maybe they have their wide open they just don't talk about it and prefer to wait and watch. They may be more ready than anybody else when push comes to shove.
You may be right, Pam. I'll be there when there is something constructive that I can do.
My question is why are folks waiting for their voice to be heard? Or for somone to give them something to do? If we don't talk about it then how will we know who we can depend on?
Who needs to talk about it? And who can you really depend on besides yourself? You do what you think is right and I will do what I think is right. I know what is right. It has been right all my life and nothing that anyone has to say is going to change the way I think. I have had most of 79 years to think about it. How much more do I need to know? I have had enough of raves and rants and gibberish that get so boring that I skip it. A few short facts come across much more effectively than a lot of words that in the long run don't mean anything.
Teresa, point well made and well taken, thanks.
Sometimes it is better to keep your eyes and mind open and your mouth shut.
Wilma, I appreciate how you feel. But without talking to each other, without communicating, how can the older generation pass on the morals and values that are in line with the same principals the country was founded on? I thought that folks depending on one another was a part of small town life, part of its attraction and reason for folks living there? Isn't that what neighbors do, help each other when they need it? Aren't we supposed to reach outside of our comfort zone to others? Espcially this time of year?
In 79 years I'm sure you have seen quite a bit, both right and wrong, why not share the knowledge you have with others, not just your peers who have seen the same things, but with the younger folks who don't know any better? I'm not trying to rant here, but am just curious?
Quote from: greatguns on April 05, 2009, 01:58:48 PM
Sometimes it is better to keep your eyes and mind open and your mouth shut.
And sometimes it is better to follow your own advice.
Quote from: Varmit on April 05, 2009, 02:10:24 PM
Wilma, I appreciate how you feel. But without talking to each other, without communicating, how can the older generation pass on the morals and values that are in line with the same principals the country was founded on? I thought that folks depending on one another was a part of small town life, part of its attraction and reason for folks living there? Isn't that what neighbors do, help each other when they need it? Aren't we supposed to reach outside of our comfort zone to others? Espcially this time of year?
In 79 years I'm sure you have seen quite a bit, both right and wrong, why not share the knowledge you have with others, not just your peers who have seen the same things, but with the younger folks who don't know any better? I'm not trying to rant here, but am just curious?
I'm pretty sure Wilma is like the Elders of all families, She DOES share her wisdom with the young people she knows.
As for knowing who you can depend on, people can always tell if they can depend on somebody and for what. You just know. Without them telling you.
Wilma stated that there was no need to talk about it, and that you couldn't depend on anyone but yourself. These were the main points of her post that I was addressing.
If you don't know who your neighbors are, what their core principals and values are, then you don't know what they stand for, or who they really are. Maybe it is different where you live, but in the 15 years or so that I have lived in this town I know of maybe 4 people that I could call on. Not once has my family been invited to attend a church service. Not once have I seen the community come together (other then Octoberfest, or a support your local firemen deal) just to socialize for fellowship. Not once have I seen an act by this town to say "yes, we care about our town and each other." And that is what I am getting at.
Well you have four people you can count on, be thankful for that. If you want to go to church why don't you just go to church? Why do you need an invitation? There is probly more socializing for the reasons you state goin on than you know.
Where I live isn't even actually a town it's a corner with a general store a cafe and a feed store but people are always havin music get-togethers, there is a community center out in the middle of nowhere where people get together once a month and play cards and games and visit and have a pot-luck. There is always some kind of jar for somebody who has some kind of problem or a kid tryin to go on a learning thing their parents don't have the funds for setting on the counter at the store. i've only lived here for bout 6 years but I know more than a few people I could ask for help if I needed to. I haven't lived up there for awhile but people were always ready to help sombody if they needed it. When my Dad was sick we found out he had a lot more friends than he thought he did. People don't talk a lot they just do when need be.
Quote from: Varmit on April 05, 2009, 03:26:25 PM
Wilma stated that there was no need to talk about it, and that you couldn't depend on anyone but yourself. These were the main points of her post that I was addressing.
If you don't know who your neighbors are, what their core principals and values are, then you don't know what they stand for, or who they really are. Maybe it is different where you live, but in the 15 years or so that I have lived in this town I know of maybe 4 people that I could call on. Not once has my family been invited to attend a church service. Not once have I seen the community come together (other then Octoberfest, or a support your local firemen deal) just to socialize for fellowship. Not once have I seen an act by this town to say "yes, we care about our town and each other." And that is what I am getting at.
I understand where you're coming from...It's hard to move into a new community and break into the ranks of the already established people...Been there, done that, barely survived it at the time (at first). However, I can tell you from personal experience (of having lived in Elk County) that there are plenty of times when people get together for no better reason than that they like each other. There have been invitations put out on this forum for all of the ecumenical activities that happen on either a yearly or monthly basis with the churches. I know that Moline usually will hold a Rocky Mountain Oyster feed (YEEEEG...Not my personal choice of food...) at least once or twice a year. Usually, there is a Farm Bureau feed in Howard that will occur, if you're a member of that organization. Usually, there's something happening somewhere in Elk County that involves food...It's one of the favorite activities of all of the people who live there (other than posting on the forum, of course!). Go to the Moline Crazy Days auction that is held yearly...There's lots of fun to be had, lots of local talent to admire and lots of FOOD...Uh, did I mention Elk County likes its food? And, there's the carnival that occurs out at the Howard fair grounds. As far as getting invited to attend a particular church, bear in mind that most mainline churches there don't make it a point to irritate the population with door-to-door salesman techniques. I had plenty of friends in all of the churches...All of those churches were extremely good to me in my time of need...All you have to do is open yourself up to the fun of checking them out. Take a church tour and pick one out that fits you and your family's needs...Or practice your God-given and US-enforced right to attend none of them.
I'm not trying to pick on you, Varmit...You've spent a long time there (almost as long I lived there)...I guess I'm just trying to point out the good points of a place that, once you leave it, remains there as a reminder of all that could be, should be and is good. Smile, guy...And start going out amongst the masses...You might be surprised at what you haven't seen before. ;)
I am very thankful for the folks I can count on. As for going to church, you're right, I don't need an invitation, but thats just my point...none was ever extended, which kinda makes me wonder about the church itself. I remember living in charleston, which is a huge town, and at least once a week a group from this church or that would stop by, nothing pushy (for the most part) but just a simple invite.
Catwoman, you're right. But quite frankly, when breaking into the ranks was attempted, in grenola anyway, well lets just say that the frost bite has finally healed ;). I have found that it came mostly from the older folks.
Varmit, as I was reading your reply to my post, I was forming my own reply; then I read Pam's. She said it all for me. My husband and I passed our beliefs to our children and their friends from the time they could understand. We lived in Severy until the children were grown and gone. Then after 26 years in Sedgwick County, I chose to come back to Elk County. I wasn't met with dozens of invitations to attend everything in the community either. But then, too, my husband and I had been attending many of the community functions. Guess I wasn't considered a newcomer. I stay home by choice. I am not a social person (you have to be nice to people when you associate with them) and getting myself and my wheelchair to and from is more trouble than it is worth. Enough about me.
This thread is about guns. Let's get back to that.
fair enough.
Quote from: Varmit on April 05, 2009, 04:17:37 PM
I am very thankful for the folks I can count on. As for going to church, you're right, I don't need an invitation, but thats just my point...none was ever extended, which kinda makes me wonder about the church itself. I remember living in charleston, which is a huge town, and at least once a week a group from this church or that would stop by, nothing pushy (for the most part) but just a simple invite.
I think its a cultural thing. I know back in georgia you have the weekly visitation that folks go out on. I also think its more of a baptist thing too.
I 'll take your advice kate31701. Goodbye.
Getting back to the gun issue...does anyone know of a good gun smith?
Quote from: kate31701 on April 05, 2009, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: greatguns on April 05, 2009, 01:58:48 PM
Sometimes it is better to keep your eyes and mind open and your mouth shut.
And sometimes it is better to follow your own advice.
Quote from: greatguns on April 05, 2009, 09:33:22 PM
I 'll take your advice kate31701. Goodbye.
Whats up greatguns?
Pam, I think the comment that the K31701 made was a bit abrasive for GG...And GG's response showed remarkable restraint. You go, GG!!!!!!
Well that's why I was askin...I like GG. Think maybe K needs to get a grip.
I think maybe EVERYONE should get a grip on this forum...Geez sometimes it's like listening to a bunch of 6 year olds! It sounded to me like Kate was coming to the defense of another forum member and then everybody gets hateful about it. Who CARES if people don't agree with each other? That's what's supposed to make this forum FUN....deal with it!
By the way, Thank you Frank for remembering me in your post earlier and Teresa's right, birds of a feather DO flock together!
Teresa, when you are in washington, reminds those dolts what the word "infringment" means. As in "...the Right of the People shall not be Infringed." I mean, and I'm going out on a limb here, the Constitution is pretty clear about this. Any law that would restrict Americans form owning, carrying, buying, selling, etc.. is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Yes that even means those who have been convicted of felonies (and are out of jail of course) and other crimes. This is not something we need to vote on, it is something we need to ENFORCE.
I wonder if he even realizes it....................... ::)
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thats to funny...
QuoteWho CARES if people don't agree with each other? That's what's supposed to make this forum FUN....deal with it!
Hah, have you read my posts? I DO deal with it and I DON'T care if you agree with me or not! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I like that Teresa
Quote from: Varmit on April 06, 2009, 04:13:58 AM
Getting back to the gun issue...does anyone know of a good gun smith?
WEll if you find one remember he has to fill out the govt paperwork if you pay him money. IF he does it for free he doesn't have to. So you might work out a barter :)
Quote from: frawin on March 26, 2009, 04:56:14 AMThe vote was 116-9
The Senate adopted the resolution Tuesday, 39-1.
I've read about this before and think its great but the first and only thing I thought of when I read this particular article is that 10 people need to be removed from office it seems... >:(