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Title: Freedom
Post by: DanCookson on October 28, 2008, 10:37:24 AM
Take time to listen to this......Dang powerful.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1777069922535499977 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1777069922535499977)


A Time for Choosing, also known as "The Speech", was presented on a number of speaking occasions during the 1964 U.S. presidential election campaign by Ronald Reagan on behalf of Republican candidate Barry Goldwater.

Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Teresa on October 28, 2008, 10:45:03 AM
Absolutely the greatest find Danny...
And it could be said the same thing right now in this election.

We can only pray that something happens and Obama will NOT be the leader of our country.

God Help Us All.
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Catwoman on October 28, 2008, 06:14:29 PM
Good heavens...I guess there really is nothing new under the sun...if I would close my eyes and listen to this, the majority of it would sound exactly like what we're facing today.  And that tv broadcast was made in the middle of the last century! ::)
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: redcliffsw on October 30, 2008, 11:32:15 AM
Thanks for the video of Reagan's speech in 64.  That's a good one.  I'd never seen that.

Reagan was a pretty good man for sure.  He knew where he stood.  When he was President, it's too bad he did not eliminate the Department of Education.  I suppose that was one of his regrets.  Locals can do a better job of running and funding the schools.
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Catwoman on October 30, 2008, 06:51:18 PM
I don't think so, RedSW...you've got to have Big Brother's help in even such a small venue as West Elk...try examining the monthly budget that is posted on the West Elk website...the monies run into not only the hundreds of thousands but also into the millions by the time you reach the end of the fiscal year...If Elk County had to assume the burden of footing the cost for those huge amounts of monies, there'd be such a high amount of taxes assessed that NO ONE would be able to afford to live in your county and programs would have to be cut by the bushels in order to be able to afford even the most meager of resources for the kids.  You have no idea of how many dollars come down from the government...and yet, it's still not enough to cover all of the unfunded mandates put on the school system, via NCLB and IDEA.  As far as the locals running it, they already do...it's called the Board of Education.   
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: DanCookson on October 31, 2008, 07:21:19 AM
Me thinks we probably send more money to the government than we get. 

**Also don't forget about the $36,065 that every individual in the US owes for our portion of the national debt.

Puts me at a cool $108,196......Damn, just when I thought I was getting somewhere.
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: littlelamb on October 31, 2008, 08:47:32 AM
i find myself praying everyday that obama does not get into office it actuely scares me to think that the freedom  i enjoy will be slowly taken from me and this may like im being a drama queen but i dont want to wear a vail over my face every day and walk 3 steps behind my husband im afraid very afraid
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: greatguns on October 31, 2008, 05:10:39 PM
Mary if you are afraid to walk three steps behind Joe, try four or five.  I'm guessing you would look good in a veil.  I'm sure it would not hold back your beautiful laugh. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :-* :-*
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Teresa on November 01, 2008, 01:21:03 AM
A friend of mine .. Patrick Martin .. wrote this and when I passed the Regan speech on to him.. he sent me this..

Something I wrote on the subject;
http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2002/libe186-20020812-02.html

Come the Revolution? What Revolution?
by Patrick K Martin
pmartin1@wideopenwest.com

Exclusive to TLE

    "Freedom has a one word definition, and that word is Responsibility. You are free only to the extent which you are responsible for your own life and actions, you are a slave to the extent which you are not." Patrick K Martin (with credit to David Gerrold)

It is said that the institution of slavery has one person who is indispensable to its operation, the slave himself. Look around you, none of us is truly responsible for our lives and actions, instead the government removes our responsibilities from us and acts in the manner it thinks best. How then do you assert your freedom? Mostly, you don't. How many of you pay taxes? How many of you younger men have registered for the draft? How many of you pay social security? Comply with laws which you oppose? Send your kids to government schools? Petition for school subsidies (i.e., vouchers)? Conform to zoning ordinances, environmental laws and land-use regulations? Is there any Federal, State, County, or Municipal, Law, Act, Ordinance, Regulation or Tax with which you comply? Then to that extent you are a slave.

Well, why do you do it? Come on you Anarchists, why haven't you put up a sign on your property and publicly declared that no person, government or agent there of has any authority there and that you will shoot dead any unauthorized person who enters? Why have you not walked into your local town hall or city council meeting and declared your personal sovereignty and encouraged your neighbors to do the same? Have you written the IRS and the SSA to tell them that you no longer recognize their authority and that you will resist, with lethal force, any attempt to impose their illegal and unconstitutional usurpation of your rights and property? No? Why not? Do you not have the strength of your convictions?

The answer is obvious. You (like most of the rest of us) have no wish to die! You value your life more than your freedom. Many people will deny that, as asinine as it is to do so, and say that they would surrender their lives to defend their freedom, but the truth is something else. In truth we all understand that as long as we have life we can have hope, why else would we struggle? Why do people like myself and Mr. Smith and Mr. Taylor expend so much of our time and effort (not that I equate my efforts with theirs) in what often seems to be a forlorn hope that we may, by our words, effect a change in the course of human social evolution? We know that the odds of any meaningful change occurring are vanishingly small, and yet here we stand, voices crying out in the wilderness. We, like you, submit every day to the theft of our property by government minions, because, like you, we have no wish to die.

Look around you, look at all the people crying out to be saved from the crushing weight of our government, and yet still toiling to feed the beast. Look at all the people languishing in prison for crimes simply written into existence by our government, and their loved ones still begging our rulers to free them. Look at eighty million gun- owners, slowly being stripped of their rights, and still quietly complying with every new outrage. When will they awaken to the truth? When will they finally have enough and spit on their masters? When will they rise up with one voice and say NO!? The answer my friends, is never.

When I used to hang around with the militia types, there was this tactic assumption, that when the New World Order reared its ugly head, and the people found out what was truly being done, they would, as one, rise up in their righteous anger and smite the evil doers with a mighty hand. Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that few people are willing to gamble, fewer still when the stakes are their lives. Most people will suffer immense hardships rather than risk what little they have, especially for something as abstract as freedom.

Look at history, countless times nations have been invaded and conquered, do the citizens rise up and die rather than submit to their new masters? Sure, some of them do, but the vast majority simply comply. Look at the Russian revolution, the Bolsheviks were a minority party who subverted the democratic system, illegally assumed power, and proceeded to initiate a wave of terrorism and murder seldom equaled in recorded history. The Russian people saw this with there own eyes, did they rise up? No, the majority simply carried on with their lives, hoping that they would be spared by the Red Terror sweeping the nation. What about the Nazi occupation of France? Did the majority of Frenchmen (and women) join the resistance? Sure they did, right after the allies booted the Nazi's out. The majority of the French resistance before that time was made up of communists who acted under orders from Moscow. Throughout the Second World War we see examples of the same pattern, resistance by a small minority of individuals, with little popular support, until events demonstrated that action carried little risk. Even the American Revolution was carried out by a small group of individuals, not by the bulk of the colonists. So, what makes anyone think that tomorrow will be any different?

I have heard many people in the Libertarian movement make the argument, as John Lopez did in TLE 185, that simply bombarding enemy nations with Libertarian propaganda (and it is propaganda, no matter that it happens to be true) and cheap guns will produce a Libertarian revolution and thus remove the necessity for offensive action against those nations. Well what evidence is there to support this idea? Why would anyone believe that showering, say North Korea, with the Federalist papers and Rand's "Capitalism; the unknown ideal" or "Atlas Shrugged," along with $2.00 single-shot Liberator pistols (or better yet a version of the all stamped semiautomatic that Walther developed in WWII) will provide those people with the backbone and intelligence to successfully overthrow that murderous regime? Hell, look at our own country. America has a history of political action among the populace, of free speech and the possession of arms, and yet here we are living in a police state, anticipating the crash of the battering-ram and our death or incarceration at the hands of our fellow citizens. If Americans, children of one of, if not the, freest nations in history, find ourselves in such a position, what in heavens name makes us think that people who have known only repression and fear for generations, will act differently.

The truth is that the only weapon governments possess is the only one the human race almost universally responds to, fear. Governments almost never have the capacity to prevail by main force. If a robber goes into a bank with twenty people in it, with a six-shot revolver, logic says that he can be overwhelmed, but each of those people fear that they may be one of the six who get shot. Government too is out numbered, the force it possesses is miniscule compared to the number of people it controls, but nobody wants to risk being one of the people killed, no matter how few may end up that way. Look at Tiennamen Square Massacre, the Chinese government feared that the people would rise up, reports in the western media suggested that units of the PLA were in or near a state of revolt over orders to reoccupy the square and crush the protesters. Politically reliable units had to be rushed to Beijing, and even then, the famous pictures of the man standing in front of the tank showed that the soldiers of the PLA were reluctant to act. If the people of Beijing had rushed to support the protesters, would the massacre have happened? If the Chinese people had risen up, would the PLA have put them down? We will never know, because the man-in-the-street refused to stand up, the bulk of the people were too afraid to face the possible consequences, and therefore remain in their servitude today.

Having the means to defend oneself and one's beliefs is immaterial. One must possess the will to use them. In fact, when the majority of people possess the will to action, weapons become superfluous. The Nazi's herded countless thousands to their deaths with unloaded weapons, because their victims lacked the will to resist, generations of acquiescence had ingrained in the victims an unthinking compulsion to obey. In our own country, we watch our rights stripped from us with helpless outrage and despair, when all that is required to stop it is the willingness to resist in spite of the potential consequences, and we in America are less likely to suffer the greatest penalties for such actions than the peasant in Korea, or the shopkeeper in China. We might supply the means to resist, but how will we provide to will, when we ourselves don't have it?
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: pam on November 01, 2008, 10:55:36 AM
The guys got a point........One of the truest things I have ever heard was a line in a movie.."Maybe you don't know this...but there's things that eat on a man worse than dyin"when some strangers asked the townspeople why they didn't stand up and run the local bad guy off, they said cause they didn't raise their kids just to have em killed that way....Somebody has to be first....there have been people standin up to the government but they ARE usually jailed or killed like Ruby Ridge and then branded radical nutcases......Nobody can GIVE you your freedom....it's already yours ....they can't take it unless you LET em.
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: redcliffsw on November 01, 2008, 03:19:09 PM
Catwoman - Aren't the "local" BOE members the agents of the State and the Feds?  Or are they in a dual role as representatives of the gov't(s) and the local folks?       

Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Catwoman on November 01, 2008, 05:56:42 PM
I thought that they were specifically local...although, it may be that they are sworn in as agents, publically elected, of the State...how would I know?  I've never been on a BOE...it would be termed a conflict of interest...LOL...how ironic...'cause who would be more interested than a teacher??????
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: redcliffsw on November 04, 2008, 10:35:10 AM
The BOE is probably worth checking into.  A BOE member in another county once indicated to me the position was much like a rubber stamp for the State and Feds and that's probably more than we care to admit in this country.  Not surprising.  Private schools are well worth considering now that the puiblic schools are pretty much government schools.
Title: America's own Freedom
Post by: BurntHills on November 10, 2008, 06:06:39 PM
We do not have The RIGHT to do or have anything here,   they are all PRIVILEGES.   we are still PRIVILEGED to be HERE.   look at the folks who VOTED down in Venezuela, they are powerless now. 

    We are here because the Govt does not come and declare Martial law on us.  George W is still keeping us FREE.   

We are ''free'' today because we have not been hit by a "RED DAWN" ---- yet.     

  just think, one well-placed directive, and no internet, no EK forum.   no phones, no cell phones, no gas.    Yup. too bad I sold my horse.    I can hear the juju drums in the Oval Office come Feb 09, when he "finds" his African father's religion and tells America.    or will he... tell us first?? 

Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: pam on November 10, 2008, 06:27:37 PM
 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Catwoman on November 10, 2008, 07:18:48 PM
Whoa there, Burnt Hills...you'll get "Obamanated" if you're not careful! lol
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 11, 2008, 09:33:02 AM
Uh, last time I looked it was the Bill of Rights, not the bill of privileges. I still don't think the world will come to an end, nor do I think I'll be hauled away for being a moderate Independent instead of a blood red Repub.  We need to work together to improve things, not just sit and sulk.
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: pam on November 11, 2008, 10:01:39 AM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 11, 2008, 09:33:02 AM
Uh, last time I looked it was the Bill of Rights, not the bill of privileges. I still don't think the world will come to an end, nor do I think I'll be hauled away for being a moderate Independent instead of a blood red Repub.  We need to work together to improve things, not just sit and sulk.

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Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Teresa on November 11, 2008, 03:17:29 PM
Burnt Hills...................
A little heads up..... you don't want to get too much into what could become ."realities".................. It just makes some of them pull that hood tighter over their eyes. Most don't like to even consider or look in that direction ..let alone do anything to be to be prepared..just in case   :-\  ( which is part of "working together" in all areas.......)

Sooooooooooooo..

Caution!  You have not entered the "No Spin Zone"...
but you have entered into the "Keep your head tightly in the sand zone".   ;)
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: pam on November 11, 2008, 03:27:43 PM
Lol, Teresa... you know me better than that! My motto is be prepared but hope for the best so  :P lol I ain't runnin off the cliff if it ain't necesary and even then I'll just be the one takin off over the hill !
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Teresa on November 11, 2008, 03:34:26 PM
 :D....I doubt very seriously Pam if you would "take off over the hill"..
You'll be with the rest of us ..if it comes down to push or shove ..who choose to stand and fight.

Hopefully we will never have to find out.  ;)
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: pam on November 11, 2008, 03:39:48 PM
I'll just be right here lol, holler if you need me :D
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Roma Jean Turner on November 11, 2008, 05:40:17 PM
  My motto has always been:  I will try to solve problems in a loving, spiritual way...........but, if that doesn't work, then I am prepared to Kick Some Ass.
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 11, 2008, 06:46:11 PM
Well, whoever "They'' is, based on 9-11, they gotta get through us to get to you, and we're a lot tougher than we might seem.
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Teresa on November 11, 2008, 10:55:14 PM
You go girl!  ;)
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: gmaof3 on November 12, 2008, 12:09:05 PM
Wow.  Heres what I am thinking, you need to see your doctor and get on some Xanax or something.  If Chicago is so wonderful, perhaps you would be happier there?  I learned a long time ago that the people who toot their own horn usually do so out of a desperate need for attention, not because they are actually as "big and bad" as they want everyone to think they are.  I do not live in Elk county but have family there, and I guarantee you they aren't nearly as "looney" as you are.  Keep ranting like you do and you may run across some ol boy down there in Elk county that will take ya up on how big and bad you are.  People there are friendly, but don't take kindly to some of the statements you have made.  However, if it makes ya feel better keep rantin and raving about everything, cuz Elk county may be a small place, but people there aren't stupid and know an idiot when they see one.
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Teresa on November 12, 2008, 12:29:40 PM
Welcome Burnt Hills............... :)
That was quite an enlightening introduction.
You obviously have lots of experience of many sorts under your belt.
Makes the rest of us look pretty inexperienced.. but in the case of losing a loved one the way you did, I will take the inexperience..
( Sorry you had to go through that :( )

Keep rattle'n those rusty cages girl...........

**doubt it helps around these parts.. but no one can ever say you didn't try ;)**

Once again... welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: pam on November 12, 2008, 02:27:10 PM
Alrighty then........... :o Am I sposed to crap my drawers and slobber now? Run around in circles sayin I like tater tots maybe? Feel bad cause I'm just a big ol hick maybe? I'm from there and most of the people I knew were reasonably intelligent considerin how disadvantaged we were for not comin from Chicago :P I'm pretty sure there are still a few with an IQ higher than 85 :P I can feel ya crowdin my bubble from here lol. And here is bout 250 miles away! You're gonna have to mellow out or your heads gonna explode or somthin  :D
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: BurntHills on November 12, 2008, 03:11:47 PM
This is what I love about this email forum stuff...
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Catwoman on November 12, 2008, 07:38:30 PM
Heck, Burnt Hills...I don't find your rant any more outlandish, exhaustive, or ludicrous than some of the other rants that have been placed on this site...actually, you're in really good company...and anyone who tries to now make it seem like such a rant is unheard of is just plainly the pot calling the kettle black.  You just keep on posting. 
Title: Re: MY Freedom to Forum
Post by: Janet Harrington on November 16, 2008, 02:06:08 AM
Quote from: Burnt Hills on November 12, 2008, 03:42:23 AM
we had a KS State Trooper who was gung-ho to clean up the town his babies would live in too. (after a year of this place his wife begged him to transfer OUT and they left.) 

that the bald daylight noon arson of my completely restored stone home in 2002 had gone completely uninvestigated and unprosecuted.              (That reeked of  Corruption.  The KS St Fire Marshal was SO frustrated he was prevented from helping us. ...the criminals were being PROTECTED.      well, maybe from PROSECUTION but they will answer to a Higher Power ..Someday, for what I hold as their subsequent murder of my husband.)   

  our CRIMINALS have more RIGHTS than we do, for example these Longton people who burned down my house and still drive past to sightsee it.. they still have their FREEDOM to do so.  and according to The Law, I have NO RIGHT to avenge this crime.   

here's a thought.  I came here to a Family reunion of a distant branch of my family.  These arsonists were nuts way out on that branch.  They conned us and we bought it. make a long story short.  they drew First Blood.  They went unprosecuted because of who they knew.   our house was uninsured despite them thinking we were rich & insured, or WE would have been hit by arson charges we were told later.  {we were IN CHICAGO getting our household loaded into moving vans to be brought here the NEXT DAY.} 

The arsonists are minutely [that means "in a small manner" ] related to me. Wow. Fate.   Pathetic and bizarre, isn't it.

It is My Blood Right to avenge the arson of my home and the death of my husband.
     RIGHT?


Well, Burnt Hills, I was just going to leave this alone, but I don't think I can.  The loss of your house due to arson was investigated by the Kansas State Fire Marshal's Office.  I turned that investigation over to the experts who had the equipment necessary to investigate that crime.  I believe that the Fire Marshal's name was David Higday, who is a wonderful investigator and has been for 20 plus years.  If you don't believe that your arson was investigated, then you should contact the Kansas State Fire Marshal's Office at 700 SW Jackson Street, Suite 600, Topeka, KS 66603, Phone: (785) 296-3401, Fax: (785) 296-0151.  The State Fire Marshal's name is Dan McLaughlin.  I am sure he would be glad to look into just how much your arson was investigated.  By the way, Mr. McLaughlin was not the appointed state fire marshal in 2002.  The fire marshal investigator was not prevented from investigating that crime as you so gleefully put it in your post.

As for the Kansas State Trooper that lived in Longton and left town because his wife begged him to move out...he did a Make a Wish to move back to the area that he and his wife grew up in because she wanted to be closer to relatives.  Please tell the facts about why he moved instead of why you think he moved.  He was a good trooper and still is.  He probably seemed "gung-ho" (your words) because Longton never had a trooper live in its little town before.  He was just doing his job.

Please quit writing as if we are all ignorant in this county.  We obviously are not, but by reading your writings, I am beginning to wonder about you.  For someone who claims being intelligent, why is your typing and wording so bad?

Saying that these arsonists "murdered" your husband, Paul, is being pretty bold, but, again, it is your right, not privilege, to speak your opinion. 

In your posting in the Roll Call, you tell us that your strongly endorsed Doug Hanks for sheriff.  Good for you.  You are a Democrat and he changed from being a Republican to being a Democrat, so that he could run against me in the general election in 2004.  I am sure you are pleased with the voters decision in 2004.  I was not, but it is our right as voters to elect by majority who we want to serve us in whatever political office that is up for election.

I do not find your allegations that my office was corrupt when your arson occurred amusing.  I was not and am not corrupt.  I did my job and in reference to the crime that you were a victim of I turned that over to the experts.  I never claimed to be an arson investigator and the state has those employees that are experts in that field.  In case you didn't know it, it is extremely difficult to investigate a building fire that was completely burned to the ground.

Now, I am done writing about this subject because I have moved on with my life.  Have you?

 
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: DanCookson on November 17, 2008, 02:30:12 PM
Quote from: pam on November 12, 2008, 02:27:10 PM
Alrighty then........... :o Am I sposed to crap my drawers and slobber now? Run around in circles sayin I like tater tots maybe? Feel bad cause I'm just a big ol hick maybe? I'm from there and most of the people I knew were reasonably intelligent considerin how disadvantaged we were for not comin from Chicago :P I'm pretty sure there are still a few with an IQ higher than 85 :P I can feel ya crowdin my bubble from here lol. And here is bout 250 miles away! You're gonna have to mellow out or your heads gonna explode or somthin  :D


I like tater tots, but never gave much mind to running in circles proclaiming my glee for them ??? 

(Note to self, try running in circles sayin I like tater tots!!)
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: flo on November 17, 2008, 03:12:25 PM
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj30/Moeparluvr/LaughingSmiley.gif)


ROFLMAO

Sorry, but I have this vision in my head of Dan running in circles mumbling "I like tater tots, I like tater tots"
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Teresa on November 17, 2008, 03:28:01 PM
Not a real stable pretty thought is it?  ::)

hahahahaha ;D
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Wilma on November 17, 2008, 04:26:40 PM
Maybe we could sell tickets?
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: indygal on November 17, 2008, 06:39:26 PM
Teresa, in an earlier post to Burnt Hills you wrote:

Quotebut you have entered into the "Keep your head tightly in the sand zone".   

I really must take issue with that statement. Yes, I'm aware there are some folks who think if you don't look at something, it doesn't exist. People can be ostriches, hawks or doves, but doesn't each bird has its own place in life, with no one right or wrong? However, when it comes to this forum, I would venture a guess that most of those who have a differing viewpoint on the "Red Dawn" scenario are just as well educated about the issues. It's not that they are refusing to consider what you believe is "reality" -- but instead have decided not to let this "what-if" script dictate how they make decisions and live their lives.

I'm a firm believer in "be prepared" -- I always keep a small supply of food on hand -- but I refuse to live in fear of other people's "reality" that does not exist for me. And to be honest (and I realize this will sound foolish to many of you), should a time ever come that hungry people come to my door, I will feed them if I can. And if they need a coat or blanket, and I have one to give, I will. And if they turn out to be thieves or murderers, then I will meet my maker sooner than I had hoped.

Some lessons I've learned in my life and I use them as my guide:

We are not physical beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a physical experience.

There is only fear or love. I choose love. Every time. (Fear not, sayeth the Lord.)

You can't pray for peace while you prepare for war.

"Do unto others" means all others, not just the nice ones. Not just the ones you're related to. Not just the ones who are the same color or gender or socioeconomic level as you. Even the ones who have opinions different from your own. Especially those. (Love one another.)

What you conceive, and believe, you can achieve (this works for the good stuff AND the bad stuff -- where do you focus your energy? On the positive, or the negative?)

So for those who wish to live out their lives preparing for Doomsday, I wish you all the best. If all this speculation comes to pass, you'll be well prepared. But there are many possible outcomes, and for me...I intend to live my days free of the angst of "they're out to get me" and waiting for whoever to kick in my door. Instead I'll focus on what is good and just and kind, and when my time comes, I'll have lived my life well, with no regrets.
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Teresa on November 17, 2008, 06:52:56 PM
Well said.. and if you think that just because I choose to openly talk about "being prepared".. that I live in a Doomsday world.. then you don't know me very well  Mrs. Indygal. ...for that is the exact opposite of the way I live my life. That is one of the problems with an open forum where people who live in a small town all kinda know each other. We sometimes make the mistake of being too open and share too much of "ourselves"..
Never does too much good except to generally come back to bite you in the ass.. But then again.. I was the dumb one for talking.. :-X  Can't blame other peoples opinions of how they perceive you to be when you  give them the keys to your house...and keep all your dresser drawers open..  :-\

Ahhhh well... live and learn...

I appreciate reading your opinion.. and it was very well stated.   :)
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: dnalexander on November 17, 2008, 07:19:43 PM
Teresa we can never share too much or be too open. Yea, sometimes it comes and bites us in the ass! The benefit sure outweighs the pain. The nice thing of this forum is it allows us to say what is on our minds. I think that is very healthy for us. Thanks for the forum. If we all stopped saying what is on our mind this forum would loose much its' purpose. That is freedom and thank God we have it. I hope no one stops posting what they think over a little "ass chewin' " I think it helps us put things in perspective even if we say the sky is falling. Perspective!

David
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: indygal on November 17, 2008, 07:39:02 PM
Teresa, I didn't mean for my post to be a "bite in the ass," nor was I criticizing you for sharing your thoughts about something you strongly believe. I have no problem with you being open about how you feel. I only wanted to point out that your comment to Burnt Hills about people "hiding their heads in the sand" was using a broad stroke to paint those who don't agree with your viewpoint. I found that to an unfair judgment and an unkind thing to say. The fact I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm wearing blinders. My opinion is different, but I am not ignorant of the facts. I am an informed and educated person, I dig for information (a career in newspapers, remember???) and study all sides of an issue before forming an opinion, and as an anthropology student, I will always seek a balanced view on how cultures think and work together.

David's right ... it's all about perspective, and everyone's perspective is their truth.

(And it's great to see David posting again!)
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: dnalexander on November 17, 2008, 07:48:08 PM
Thanks indy I am happy to have the time to revisit my forum friends. I missed all of you and your opinions. You all have become a very important part of my day.

David
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Teresa on November 18, 2008, 11:07:41 AM
Thanks for responding Indygal...  :)
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Warph on December 14, 2008, 05:46:40 PM

Getting back to the subject on Reagan, this is probably something most people don't know about him..... He started out as a Democrat.

Ronald Reagan's early political career:

A registered Democrat and admirer of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Reagan supported the New Deal, as well as the presidential candidacies of Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956 as well as Richard Nixon in 1960. His political loyalties soon shifted to the Republican Party, however, for he thought that the Democrats had created a larger government. Following the election of John F. Kennedy, Reagan formally switched parties in 1962, saying "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me." During his work for General Electric, Reagan wrote his own speeches, laboring diligently and daily upon his prose. Although he had speechwriters later in the White House, he continued editing, and even occasionally writing, many of them.

Two years after switching parties, Reagan joined the campaign of conservative presidential contender Barry Goldwater.  Speaking on Goldwater's behalf, Reagan revealed his ideological motivation in a famed speech given on October 27, 1964: "The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government set out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. So we have come to a time for choosing."  The address soon became known as the "Time for Choosing" speech, and is considered the speech that launched Reagan's political career
Title: Re: Freedom
Post by: Catwoman on January 19, 2009, 09:38:03 PM
Tomorrow, folks, we will witness a moment in American history which many had thought at least 2-3 generations away from happening...A person of color is ascending to the highest post in American politics.  I have been watching people for the past few weeks and have a few observations:

(1)  People of color, everywhere, seem to be walking a little straighter and smiling a little more.  If it had to take something this earth shaking to finally get that to happen, then I'm glad that Obama has been elected.

(2)  People of color, everywhere, seem to be more willing to engage in conversation with people from walks other than their own.  Again...I'm glad that this is finally happening.

(3)  People of color seem to be divided on what role Mr. Obama is supposed to play...I have heard many say that, as President, he is president of everyone and needs to represent everyone equally.  I have heard an even larger majority say that O, as president, has a moral and spiritual obligation to pay particular attention to the needs/wants/desires of the African-American contingent.  If there had ever been a white person say that the previously white presidents had a moral and spiritual obligation to see to the welfare of the whites, the people of color would have been screaming, howling and nashing their teeth in response to that statement.  I just raised my eyebrows and said nothing.

This election has been the highest expression of freedom possible.  Now...we will see, in the future, if any woman, white, black, red, yellow, or polka-dotted, ever rises to the point of being equal to an African-European president.

Just a few thoughts on the eve of this most momentous occasion.