I have a question. Wasn't Severy supposed to be getting rural water from RWD in Eureka? I thought they were getting online 2 years ago. I would hope that it would be soon because of the quality of water that comes out of the faucets isn't real appealing in color or taste. Why is the quality of the present water system so bad? If anyone has any info on this let me know?
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You should taste and see the Howard city water.
I am so pissed. I worked for 4 solid hours on my hot tub trying to get the stains out off of the bottom where the City water had set... AFTER I had scrubbed and filled it 2 times draining it because it looked like coffee.
So I decided to drain it a 3rd time and I went to bed. Was 2 days before I got back out to see if it had drained. It had left some of the water in the bottom and it had actually stained the tub. I scrubbed and scrubbed on it AGAIN with comet until the stains were off. I rinsed it and then filled it. The water was clear. But it is a big hot tub and my water bill is going to be huge with all the filling and draining.
I have in the past always marveled at how the city water is perfect for a hot tub and swimming pool chlorine is just right.. PH is perfect. After 2 days of course you have to add the chlorine tablets... but the point is it is good for pools right out of the tap. (kinda scary tho when you think of drinking it)
This time however I tested the water and it came up 0 in choline.. 0 in PH balance ..0 in alkaline level.
:o :o >:( What in the hell was going on I thought.
So I filled my little floating dispenser with my chlorine tablets and set it in the water. shut the lid.. and went into the house.
Went back out about 4 hours later to run the filters a bit and stir the water..and I opened up the lid and it looked like the tub was full of dark coffee.
This morning, I was brushing my teeth and I thought the water smelled funny.. so I tasted it and it tasted exactly like when I used to fall in the lake after skiing and would accidentally gulp a mouthful of lake water... and I mean EXACTLY like it.
Nasty ..
Connie Saxton told me that the water has stained their old porcelain bath tub..and ruined clothes.
so .. I called Mark and he called the city office.
Somebody should be held accountable for not doing their job. >:(
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I find it interesting that city office employees buy cases of drinking water one of the local businesses in town.
That oughta tell ya something!
I WON'T drink the water. Period.
( I'm really upset about all of this.)
And yea.. they buy cases of water... No one wants to drink this stuff.
when I lived in Severy I HATED the water and during late summer and early fall, there would even be sediment in the bottom of a drinking glass so I always just bought drinking water. They said it was "safe" to drink, but sorry, when I P clearer that what comes out of the faucet . . . . . then I moved to Howard and WOW, no taste whatsoever to the water coming out of the tap and it was clear and I'm thinking this is great. WRONG - I bought a Brita from Cookson's several weeks ago so I have good water to drink and make my coffee, breath as little as possible and hurry to take a shower and hold my nose when I take my laundry out of the washer. I'm thinking, and hoping, that this too shall pass. Severy's problem was always in late summer and early fall. Something about the "lake turning over" whatever that meant.
It sounds like Howards problems are due to lack of consistancy of chlorine and testing. Maybe that is what is wrong with Severy's water. I thought that there were other problems and that is why Severy was trying to get onto RWD. I haven't heard anything about it for years. Did something happen where it would cost the city too much money? By the way yellow is what color the water is in Severy .
My white clothes were ruined by the water. I had done a timed soak with bleach,white t-shirts looked tea died. I bleached again and they were worse. Then I remembered my aunt used well water that had a high content of iron. The bleach and iron react chemicaly. I bought some color remover (like Rit) and it brought back my white!
Chelle, whatever you wrote in yellow is unreadable, at least to me. Hope it wasn't anything important.
She was showing you the color of Severy's water. We have a lot of iron in the water here too. We can't use chlorine bleach for whites either. I use dry bleach in every white load and that works. If I need to, I can go to city hall and they will give me, free, a packet to remove the iron stains....Go lean on the city, to do the same!
the color has changed then. It used to be about the color of the dark gray background of these posts.
Quote from: Teresa on August 23, 2008, 10:17:02 PM
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Don't we have an automated water plant? What part of automated means brown water that tastes like fish crap?
Did we run out of anhydrous? Scale back on the internet and consentrate on the h20, KEVIN.
Clean the filters once in a while. Yes the lake turns every three months. Just look at the log of the thermometer it will tell you when.
When are the high service pumps going to be pulled out and serviced? Is it still too cold to do that? What are we waiting for another big fire?
Shouldn't we be thinking about building a new water tower before the old one fails a test? It would be easier to pay for one over the longest period of time than to hike the water bills as we have done with gas. You infrastructure is your input costs if you own the system. Should we be building a new lake? How far in to the future do you suppose the WPA water plan looked?
0 Chlorine is a KDHE problem.
Howard water plant is automated. If you put chemical in the chemical tanks and calibrate the injector pumps why doesn't the plant work?
Are we letting the water tower drain down every night?
Do the filters need cleaned more often than the are?
Should we upgrade to a better type of plant?
IF and when you get the rural water pumping out of the clear well the water quality needs to be top notch. If you put dirty water in the piping system you get dirty water out.
But of course a Class I operator knows all this........
wow and i thought you graduated from west elk :o just kidding
Quote from: pepelect on August 24, 2008, 10:51:55 AM
Scale back on the internet and consentrate on the h20, KEVIN.
Whoa! I've heard that internet thing before. Maybe he's looking online for information on how to run a water plant. :laugh:
I live north of Howard on the west side of the highway and I have wonderful water. ;D It's rural water from the tower north of Severy. When we lived east of Howard we had an artisan well, no rural water. But when we moved - 3 years ago...they were trying to get rural water to that part of the country.
I completely agree with your opinions of the Howard city water, its disgusting. I wouldn't bathe my child in it or wash my dishes with it.
IS YOUR WATER PROBLEM CAUSED BY THE MOSS IN THE LAKE TURNING OVER?
No.. We have had lots of rain.. and the lake is full and rivers are running.
I have lived here all my life and I have witnessed the lake when it turns over.. drank the water from it.. took baths in it..and this ISN'T from the lake turning over.
And I have not changed the type of chlorine tablets I use for my hot tub..( I use Bromine) nor have I changed the type of detergent or clorox or borax that I use when I do laundry. Had to TRY to rewash a load of whites today that literally looked like I had mixed up a pot of leftover coffee in the rinse water.
My patience on this is done and my "give a damn" on who likes it is gone!
I'm all confused. I thought that Elk county has rural water in the Northern part of the county? Someone said it goes as far as Griesels (or somewhere up there, as Devyn has confirmed she has it)? So, why wouldn't Severy be on it, too?
Severy "rural" is on rural water, Severy "city" has their own water system from the Severy Lake. They have asked to get their city water supply from rural water, the study has been done, I do not know where that situation is right now. I say the rural residents have rural water, however I didn't. I lived east of Severy on the lake road and everyone, I think, that lived on that road had city water.
What ever happened to the idea that there should be a whole sale water district? It was to be comprised of all the area communities and existing water districts. The beauty of the system is that every gallon of water that was pumped through a water meter was a dollar of water district income. Not for each individual community but the district as a whole. You could have multiple sources in case one source or pumping system was down there would be redundant backups. You could treat at each city if needed but the water could be coming from the farthest point in the system.
Ideally it would be from a larger source than the existing lakes and river. That way one central water plant could through economies of scale produce water at a cheaper rate. One plant would be easier to keep up that several. State and fed guidelines would be easier to keep up with if you had more resources to draw from. One continuously operating plant would be easier to operate if it never shut down. You lose a lot of the chemical process just starting up and shutting down as water needs ebb and flow.
If you sourced water at the highest point in the area gravity would be on you side to get it flowing to the lower portions.
Why won't Greenwood, Wilson, Butler county sell us water? Greenwood picks and choosed where its district is. If you have water and the is a need for it why don't you provide it.
I think the two communities that have the biggest water problem is Severy and Longton. Both have source issues. Both are very close to a rural water system. If we could provide interconnect between the districts and communities then we could all share the costs and lessen the burden on those who have none.
In regards to "wholesale water", I refer you to this link:
http://www.kdheks.gov/pws/download/PWWSD_Apr03.pdf (http://www.kdheks.gov/pws/download/PWWSD_Apr03.pdf)
Scroll down to the third page and read about PWWSD #20 and #24
Where the process has gone since I left, I do not know. :-\ :(
PWWSD #24 currently meets quarterly. The next meeting will be Wednesday, Sept. 10th at 7:00 p.m. in the east room of the Cox building. -- Tim
Rural water district #2 meeting tonight at the cox building brought many to attend. The cost of the system currently as proposed would be about $75 average cost per meter per month. Regardless of how much water is used by each individual meter the average for the entire system needs to be at least $75 to cover the cost of the loan. We received a $200,000 CBDG that needs to be initiated by the third week of December. The funding for the rest of the system is grant and loan at 3.385% interest for 40 years. The number of meters needs to increase to lower the base cost. This is all subject to change as costs and people drop off meters. Everyone at the meeting seemed very positive about proceding to the next step. There was considerable conversation about water costs, rates, and water sources but the general concensus was that we should go ahead with the proposed phase I. Phase II would be started as soon as possible. Phase I is the core 50% of the proposed project with the other 50% in phase II. Upfront costs for phase I will be considerable with only extending pipe on to phase II. Phase I includes all pumping and source logistics to initially get water from the city of Howard for 3.5dollars a thousand. The long term solution was to utilize WWD#20 at $5per thousand. This equates to a cost of about 8 - 8.5 per thousand after the meter charges. There was talk about raising the minimum to $75 base and then starting the water rate after the first 4500gallons or lowering the base and charging for ever gallon after 2000gal. Rates will be looked at more closely as more fixed costs and construction delays present themselves.
So the just of the meeting is that it will cost you at least $75 per month for water.
What did they decide at the meeting? We were going to come but husband didn't get home till late. :-(
Quote from: Sarah on November 17, 2009, 04:04:58 AM
What did they decide at the meeting? We were going to come but husband didn't get home till late. :-(
The members have paid their meter fees that were not at the meeting will receive a letter asking yes or no, should we continue to proceed to fund this water district or not. This wasn't a decision type meeting. So I guess I don't know what you are asking "what was decided". The meeting got over at 10pm.
Quote from: ADP on November 17, 2009, 09:45:40 PM
The members have paid their meter fees that were not at the meeting will receive a letter asking yes or no, should we continue to proceed to fund this water district or not. This wasn't a decision type meeting. So I guess I don't know what you are asking "what was decided". The meeting got over at 10pm.
Yeah. We got the letter. It said to come to the meeting to say whether or not the $58 a month plus whatever was acceptable or not and that if not the project was dead. So, it sounded as though this meeting was a "yes/no" thing and I was wondering if they decided to go on with it or not.
Quote from: ADP on November 17, 2009, 09:45:40 PM
The members have paid their meter fees that were not at the meeting will receive a letter asking yes or no, should we continue to proceed to fund this water district or not.
Ok...I will repeat.....There will be a new letter for those of you that did not attend meeting at the Cox building on Monday night to voice you opinion on whether or not the $75 a month average for every meter will be acceptable to you. If a majority of the phase I meters are in agreement that the price is not impossible then the project will go forward. They can't decide to go on or not with out everyone's input. There is a map in Howard with the breakdown of who is in phase I and who is in phase II. It is about half of the total number residental meters. The project is broken down in the first phase all the pumping and hookup to water source and the core meters closest to the clear well. The phase II is only pipe extentions of the lines without any pumps or other infastructure. The lines are sized in phase one large enough for all meters in phase II plus some overbulid for future expansion. The second phase should be considerably cheaper than phase one and will start upon completion of phase I and funding. Metered water rates will be determined later and will adjust as expenses are more concrete.