http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html
I've been following this story for some time. I don't think Philip Berg (who is well known in the democratic party) would do this unless he feels sure he has the evidence to nail Obama on this. A lot can happen before the general election in november.
There is a lot of info floating around out on the internet about whether this story is true or not but, the Israel Insider seems to have the most depth to it. Well investigated. I know that Israel would rather see McCain get the nod rather than Obama but, still, this is a heck of a read as to what they found out.
Here is what the Israel Insider, Israel's daily news magazine, has to say on the subject listed below:
Part #1 http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12932.htm
Part #2 http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm
Part #3 http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12944.htm
Part #4 http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm
Part #5 http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12959.htm
Part #6 http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm
Interesting..
Seems that there is a family fight going on in the democratic party. Seems the party leaders don't like the people's choice of Obama over the Clinton power machine. This could get very interesting.
That seems to be a common problem with the Democratic party. The ideas can be wonderful, but they bicker among themselves too much. I wonder what the super delegates will do now?
Maybe thay will boot Obama and Clinton and pick Joe Biden. As liberal as Biden is, I think I would rather have him than either one of them.
Meeeee too Frank.. 8)
Sites for Files for Federal Lawsuit:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/001_ObamaComplaint.pdf
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/001_ObamaMemSupportTRO082108.pdf
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/001_ObamaMotionforTRO.pdf
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/001_ObamaTempOrder.pdf
ANNEX. TEXT OF PRESS RELEASE
PRESS RELEASE
For Immediate Release: - 08/21/08
For Further Information Contact:
Philip J. Berg, Esquire Suit Filed
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12 08/21/08
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531
Cell (610) 662-3005 No. 08-cv-4083
(610) 825-3134
(800) 993-PHIL [7445]
Fax (610) 834-7659
philjberg@gmail.com
Philip J. Berg, Esq. Files Federal Lawsuit:
Requesting Obama Be Removed as a Candidate as he does not meet the Qualifications for President
(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 08/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate in Democratic Primaries; former Chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County; former member of Democratic State Committee; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA, filed a lawsuit in Federal Court today, Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083, seeking a Declaratory Judgment and an Injunction that Obama does not meet the qualifications to \FORMS\PressReleaseObama08212008 to be President of the United States. Berg filed this suit for the best interests of the Democratic Party and the citizens of the United States.
Philip J. Berg, Esquire stated in his lawsuit that Senator Obama:
1. Is not a naturalized citizen; and/or
2. Lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia; and/or
3. Has dual loyalties because of his citizenship with Kenya and Indonesia.
Berg stated: "I filed this action at this time to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.
There have been numerous questions raised about Obama's background with no satisfactory answers. The questions that I have addressed include, but are not limited to:
1. Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada; or ?
2. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?
3. What was the early childhood of Obama in Hawaii; in Kenya; in Indonesia when he was adopted; and later, back to Hawaii?
4. An explanation as to the various names utilized by Obama that include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.
5. Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama, a blatant lie.
If Obama can prove U.S. citizenship, we still have the issue of muti-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegance to other countries.
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Berg continued:
"Eighteen million Democratic Primary voters donated money, volunteered their time and energy, worked very hard and then not only supported Senator Clinton, but voted for her and often recruited other supporters as well. All the efforts of supporters of legitimate citizens were for nothing because this man lied and cheated his way into a fraudulent candidacy and cheated legitimately eligible natural born citizens from competing in a fair process and the supporters of their citizen choice for the nomination.
Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Senator Obama's lies and obfuscations. He clearly shows a conscience of guilt by his actions in using the forged birth certificate and the lies he's told to cover his loss of citizenship. We believe he does know, supported this belief by his actions in hiding his secret, in that he failed to regain his citizenship and used documents to further his position as a natural born citizen. We would also show he proclaims himself a Constitutional scholar and lecturer, but did not learn he had no eligibility to become President except by means of lying, obfuscations and deceptions. His very acts proves he knew he was no longer a natural born citizen. We believe he knew he was defrauding the country or else why use the forged birth certificate of his half sister?
Americans lost money, goods and services donated in their support of a candidate who supposedly was a natural born citizen simply because the DNC officers and party leaders looked the other way and did not demand credentials to answer the questions and prove whether or not Senator Obama was a legitimately natural born citizen, even in light of recent information that has surfaced on websites on the Internet suggesting Senator Obama may not be eligible to become President and questioning his status of multiple citizenships and questionable loyalties! If the DNC officers and.or leaders had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship through an oath of allegiance at age eighteen [18] as prescribed by Constitutional laws!
The injunctrive relief must be granted because failing to do so, this inaction defrauds everyone who voted in the Democratic Primary for a nominee that is a fair representation of the voters. Failure to grant injunctive relief would allow a corrupted, fraudulent nomination process to continue. It not only allows, but promotes an overwhelming degree of disrespect and creates such a lack of confidence in voters of the primary process itself, so that it would cement a prevailing belief that no potential candidate has to obey the laws of this country, respect our election process, follow the Constitution, or even suffer any consequence for lying and defrauding voters to get onto the ballot when they have no chance of serving if they fraudulently manage to get elected! It is unfair to the country for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of their ability to serve if elected.
All judges are lawyers and held to a higher standard of practice than a regular lawyer. It is this Judicial standard that demands injunctive relief prayed for here. This relief is predicated upon one of the most basic premises of practicing law which states no lawyer can allow themselves to be used in furthering a criminal enterprise. And by that gauge alone, failing to give injunctive relief to the 18 million supporters of the other candidate, a true natural born citizen eligible to serve if elected, this court must not allow itself to be used to further the criminal and fraudulent acts to continue and be rewarded by becoming the Democratic Nominee. Failure to give the injunctive relief prayed for will insure that a corrupted Presidential election process will only guarantee a show of unfair preference of one group of people over another group by not demanding the same rules be applied to all groups equally and fairly, especially in light of the fact that both candidates are each considered a minority.
Warph or Steve I am being lazy give me an update on this. Was Philip J. Berg all talk and no show? Barry O. is a Hawaiian as I said long ago or is there some substance to this.
David
Last I heard it was confirmed his birth certificate was genuine and he IS a US citizen.
I haven't heard. I am guessing that the obama powers are suppressing the suit. Lots of things are getting squelched. Must have some real money behind him to be able to squelch a court system like that
FactCheck.org has this story complete with pictures and updates
Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: August 26, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."
We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Who owns factcheck?
I personally want to hear the OFFICIALS that issue birth certificiates say its a real birth Certificate. I suspect it
is real, but Obama is allowing all the unofficial speculation to take the focus off of his flipflopping and other
problems with his views and campaign.
But i would accept a OFFICIAL Government proclamation that it is a REAL certificate issued by
the state of Hawaii.
Quote from: pam on September 12, 2008, 06:51:53 AM
FactCheck.org has this story complete with pictures and updates
Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: August 26, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."
We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Didn't know who the hell owns factcheck so went and looked.......
The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state, and federal levels.
The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.
So I guess it's a foundation............................and a university.........
I looked at several sites that had copies, back when all this came up. One site keep insisting it was his sister's birth certificate that had been altered. If any of you have seen any of the copies in question, you'll see that all the lettering is lined up exactly down the left column, including the word male. If "female" had been there, the fe would have stuck out to the left, out of line. The Repubs. would have used all this long ago if there was any merit to it.
That Israel Insider actually already had an article on it when those links were posted in this thread before. Here are their thoughts on it: http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm
QuoteThe Repubs. would have used all this long ago if there was any merit to it.
That's what I'm thinkin lol
Maybe the Republicans are waiting until the last minute and the Democrats will have to put Joe Bidden as Pres and Nancy Pelosi as VP. Lol
:P
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Here is updated info on the lawsuit that I was asking about earlier in the thread. I also, learned there is a new lawsuit filed in California regarding McCain's citizenship. In my mind both issues were resolved months ago. Anyone can file a lawsuit so that alone means very little, but if the Courts were to rule in favor of either of these lawsuits it would certainly upset the quickly approaching elections.
Tuesday, September 9, 2008
Berg v. Obama Update -- Tuesday, September 9
BERG FILES MOTION FOR EXPEDITED DISCOVERY, SEEKS DEPOSITION OF BARACK OBAMA AND HOWARD DEAN BY END OF MONTH..
http://www.americasright.com/2008/09/berg-v-obama-update-tuesday-september-9.html
Friday, September 12, 2008
Order Pending in California Eligibility Lawsuit Filed Against John McCain
http://www.americasright.com/2008/09/berg-v-obama-update-friday-september-12.html
I thought they put the one about McCain to bed a long time ago too. He was born in Panama but on a US military base and his parents are citizens blah blah blah. Talk about frivolous lawsuits :P
Someone is contending that he wasn't born on the base, but in a civilian hospital in Colon. This is all so ridiculous.
They are all graspin at straws to try to knock the other side out lol
LOL wonder what happens if they disqualify each other?
We all go to hell earlier than later.. LOL
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: pam on September 12, 2008, 12:51:01 PM
LOL wonder what happens if they disqualify each other?
We start learning about unused\rarely used parts of the Constitution and the law that i would rather not have to use when electing a President.
David
I really can't argue for either side anymore, they both suck in my opinion lol. Maybe knockin each other out would be the best thing that could happen :P
Quote from: dnalexander on September 12, 2008, 06:07:26 PM
Quote from: pam on September 12, 2008, 12:51:01 PM
LOL wonder what happens if they disqualify each other?
We start learning about unused\rarely used parts of the Constitution and the law that i would rather not have to use when electing a President.
David
Hmmm OMG HELL NO! I just realized that pelosi would become the president!!!
Quote from: srkruzich on September 12, 2008, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: dnalexander on September 12, 2008, 06:07:26 PM
Quote from: pam on September 12, 2008, 12:51:01 PM
LOL wonder what happens if they disqualify each other?
We start learning about unused\rarely used parts of the Constitution and the law that i would rather not have to use when electing a President.
David
Hmmm OMG HELL NO! I just realized that pelosi would become the president!!!
Steve I am glad somebody see's where I am going with this. My fear is that I will learn more about the 25th Amendment and some obscure law I never heard of before. Sounds frivolous at first until you start thinking of all the possibilities. Though President Ford became President with no direct vote from the people and restored some dignity to the office of the President. I prefer to elect my Presidents the simple straightforward way. We vote. Vice President and Congress certify the Electoral College vote. President sworn in to office. Wait till next Presidential election.
Dude I knew that, I was just bein a smartass. :laugh: Ford was pretty funny. Watchin him walk was like watchin a Jerry Lewis movie :laugh:
Remember those awful WIN buttons? Wearing one of those buttons was supposed th whip inflation now! That campaign didn't last too long. :P :P And how many accidents did he have? And an addicted wife at home, too bad.
addiction can happen to anybody, I'm not belittling him he was just one of the most uncoordinated people I ever saw lol. Dude could trip over air!
Maybe George will just decide to stay on! What's 12 years? ;) ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: greatguns on September 13, 2008, 05:14:33 PM
Maybe George will just decide to stay on! What's 12 years? ;) ;) ;) ;)
Heck why not :) better than having obama get in and a heck of a lot better than pelosi.
Steve, I like your politics and your thinking, great answer. I cannot imagine the damage to the future of this Great Nation, with Obama, Pelosi and Scary Harry as the leadership.
You are so right.
Quote from: greatguns on September 13, 2008, 05:14:33 PM
Maybe George will just decide to stay on! What's 12 years? ;) ;) ;) ;)
God! I'd vote for Obama before I'd hope for that......:P
I know what you mean Pam. Because of Bush's wonderful educational reform, my job requires me to do so much more paperwork, which in turn leaves me less time to spend concentrating on my students. My pay hasn't gotten any better, I have to fork out more money for sky high health insurance, and not sure if things keep going the way they are if I will be able to send my kids to college! My financial situation has not benefited from this administration.
Quote from: gina on September 14, 2008, 08:58:20 AM
I know what you mean Pam. Because of Bush's wonderful educational reform, my job requires me to do so much more paperwork, which in turn leaves me less time to spend concentrating on my students. My pay hasn't gotten any better, I have to fork out more money for sky high health insurance, and not sure if things keep going the way they are if I will be able to send my kids to college! My financial situation has not benefited from this administration.
Granted that i don't know what the schools in elk co are like, but i have raised 6 kids and they went through public school part of the way. THey were in private the rest of the time, and what i don't understand is a couple things.
How come and i am citing costs in Georgia not around here, but to educate a student in public school it took 18,000 dollars per student per year. YET the private schools can educate a student for 5,000 dollars per year?? AND get a HECK of a lot better education!
The other thing i don't understand is why is it that schools are teaching kids how to take a test, instead of teaching them the things they need to know? IF they have the knowlege, they don't need to have to prepare for the tests. When my sons were in school the teachers would stop teaching and prepare for this test a month in advance. Tests are to tell you what you DON'T know so you can go back and learn that area. Tests are not for passing just to get good scores.
I know ALL of my kids had to go back into public school the last two years of highschool when i became disabled. The school system tested them since they were in private schools and All of my kids tested 2nd year or more college level in education when they were entering the 10th grade.
I think theres a serious problem not in Bush's plan but in the department of ed. Personally i firmly believe that the dept of Ed should be abolished, and schools returned to the communities instead of being under federal control. Actually it would produce better trained people in the world if they actually had to work for their education.
I know my kids KNEW i was shelling out big bucks for private ed, and THEY ALL worked harder and didn't take that education for granted. Free education is a novel idea but you get what you pay for in this society. IF its free, its usually squandered.
Private schools are nice I suppose, I wouldn't know I was educated in public school, Severy and West Elk to be exact. My two sons were educated at Severy and West Elk. My daughter is getting a public school education. I did not finish college, my education has been ongoing my whole life tho. I read, often obscure things nobody hears of. My sons did not go to college, my oldest is one of the best mechanics in this neck of the woods just from hands on experience, my youngest works for a subsidiary of JP Morgan Chase as an account manager. My daughter is planning on going to art school. We all came from a free education background and we have done just fine. They regularly scored above their grade level on aptitude tests, my daughter still does. You don't have to go to private school to be well-educated. The fact is you don't have to go to school at all beyond learning the basics to get a good education. It's all out there if you are interested.
Quote from: pam on September 14, 2008, 10:43:37 AM
Private schools are nice I suppose, I wouldn't know I was educated in public school, Severy and West Elk to be exact. My two sons were educated at Severy and West Elk. My daughter is getting a public school education. I did not finish college, my education has been ongoing my whole life tho. I read, often obscure things nobody hears of. My sons did not go to college, my oldest is one of the best mechanics in this neck of the woods just from hands on experience, my youngest works for a subsidiary of JP Morgan Chase as an account manager. My daughter is planning on going to art school. We all came from a free education background and we have done just fine. They regularly scored above their grade level on aptitude tests, my daughter still does. You don't have to go to private school to be well-educated. The fact is you don't have to go to school at all beyond learning the basics to get a good education. It's all out there if you are interested.
Your right, i agree but you see what happens is there are far too many that waste it. I know that no one gave me
my education after highschool for free. I worked for mine and appreciated it a heck of alot more than i appreciated the free
highschool education.
I didn't pay for my kids to go to college, told them if they wanted to go they would earn it. AND I advised them and pushed them
to NOT go into debt for a education. Get grants, scholarships, work a job, all of those things combigned.
I paid out something like 10k for mine to get me started. Got it paid off finally in 99. Sheesh took me 10 years to pay off that loan. NEver again! :)
Every bit of education i got after my electronics school, i found employers what would pay for it. I worked hard, studied harder, to achieve.
I know as a whole, the ed system is broke, its falling apart, and when we have to spend 18 -20 k a year on a student to get mediocre results, its highly disturbing. Personally if i had to do it all over again, i would homeschool. I have seen first hand what homeschooling does for kids. you can spend most of your time teaching instead of indoctrinating with the states agenda. Best thing about homeschooling is you can use everyday life to teach. The other day i was talkign with a friends son while i was milking the goats. Talked with him how what goats eat, turns into milk that we drink. It is amazing how you can take the proteins and fats from the forage and grass and grains and turn them into proteins and fats that are beneficial to us. Plus you get natural fertilizer that is almost completely composted.
I agree homeschooling is a better alternative for the reason you said. You can present more than the state accepted side of what you are teaching. Life is really the best teachin tool we have!
One of the reasons private school's cost per student is so low is that the teachers' salaries are substantially lower that than of public education. Private schools do not have to worry about the state mandated tests that public schools must contend with. Nor do they have as many students with horrible family situations that so many children in urban and rural areas live in. Meth use in these areas have completely destroyed families and expecting a child to come to school and focus on learning is quite a task. No Child Left Behind does not take that into consideration when expecting ALL students to score proficient on state mandated tests. NCLB (Bush's pet project) states that ALL students no matter their home life or severity of disability must score proficient or better. These test scores determine whether or not a school is accredited and receives state funding. These tests are not a true measure of the child's ability. There are many faults in the testing system. For one example, the math test requires a lot of reading and vocabulary that may have nothing at all to do with mathematics itself. Because of this, I don't believe you can get a true picture of the child's ability to do mathematics.
I must say as a graduate of West Elk, a teacher in the West Elk school district, and a parent of students in the school district; West Elk is by far a wonderful education system. I left WE for college and was completely prepared for all my college courses. When students come to WE from other districts, I have noticed that many of them are behind our students. All of my children's teachers have challenged and provided them with wonderful educational experiences.
Back to the matter a had in my orignal post. Compared to where my family was financially eight years ago, we are no better off and quite frankly somewhat worse off. I feel Bush's administration has done nothing to benefit my family. Whatever we get has got to be better than what we have had!!!
We can only hope!
QuoteBack to the matter a had in my orignal post. Compared to where my family was financially eight years ago, we are no better off and quite frankly somewhat worse off. I feel Bush's administration has done nothing to benefit my family. Whatever we get has got to be better than what we have had!!!
I totally agree with that, we were doing better than we ever had when Bush took office, the last two years have been the worst we have had in YEARS. And it's not from lack of workin and tryin!
Quote from: pam on September 14, 2008, 02:12:28 PM
QuoteBack to the matter a had in my orignal post. Compared to where my family was financially eight years ago, we are no better off and quite frankly somewhat worse off. I feel Bush's administration has done nothing to benefit my family. Whatever we get has got to be better than what we have had!!!
I totally agree with that, we were doing better than we ever had when Bush took office, the last two years have been the worst we have had in YEARS. And it's not from lack of workin and tryin!
You do realize that the economy started plummeting long before bush took office. And 9/11 didn't help any
recovery. In 1998 it took a massive hit with the dot com failures, which threw us into recession. 9/11 sunk
us deeper into that recession and it took some major winging it to pull us back out to where our economy limped along
Now were going through a "market correction" with fuel prices and other things. happened back in early 80's its happening again.
Quote from: gina on September 14, 2008, 12:29:03 PM
I feel Bush's administration has done nothing to benefit my family. Whatever we get has got to be better than what we have had!!!
Maybe id hasn't. I don't know. But it can and has been a heck of a lot worse. Do you remember Jimmy Carter??
Lol, and here we go chasin our tails................................................I was there, I know for a fact me and my husband were doin way better when Clinton was president than we have since Bush took office. Doing the same work. Some people think Bush is neater'n boobs on a rooster, I don't. Doesn't make either of us bad people, just makes us different.
During the Carter administration we bought a house, supported four children, ran a successful small business and hubby had a job. We went to Kmart once a week, and I got a new outfit from time to time. The house was not a McMansion but sufficed for our needs. We did however begin to suffer in the eighties when hubby was laid off, small business went bad, and things went downhill when hubby hurt his back. The family started doing better in the Clinton years, and we were even able to start saving some. And of course the dubya years have not been kind to anyone except the oil people. I do not want to see more of the same.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on September 14, 2008, 03:31:41 PM
During the Carter administration we bought a house, supported four children, ran a successful small business and hubby had a job. We went to Kmart once a week, and I got a new outfit from time to time. The house was not a McMansion but sufficed for our needs. We did however begin to suffer in the eighties when hubby was laid off, small business went bad, and things went downhill when hubby hurt his back. The family started doing better in the Clinton years, and we were even able to start saving some. And of course the dubya years have not been kind to anyone except the oil people. I do not want to see more of the same.
I watched my Dad suffer through the carter years from the theft by taxation Carter implemented. When reagan took office,
my dads taxes dropped enough to where he got to buy his first brand new car that he wanted as well as was able to save
money and put into investments for retirement. When clinton took office, my dad had managed to insulate himself from all the
taxes imposed, and survived for 6 of those years. He died trying to keep what he had from being stolen by government.
When i was working under clinton years, I shelled out 20+k a year in taxes which was just plain theft. When bush took office, my taxes dropped to 3k a year. SO that gives you an idea what theft is going on under the democrats office.
And i am and was by no means rich, so tax cuts weren't for the rich, they were for the producers of this country.
If we had another 12 years of Bush, i would be ok with it. Its a hell of a lot better than what obama has to offer. And I dont' trust any politician as it is but knowing obamas lack of morals, lack of character, his racist attitude, i wouldn't even allow obama on my property much less think of trusting him with the job of dog catcher.
12 more years of Bush? Yeah that would be lovely :P 8 years of any president is way more than enough.
Quote from: srkruzich on September 14, 2008, 04:33:35 PM
When i was working under clinton years, I shelled out 20+k a year in taxes which was just plain theft. When bush took office, my taxes dropped to 3k a year.
Good heavens, you shelled out more in taxes than I made. Tell me again, what was your gripe?
Quote from: flo on September 15, 2008, 02:02:30 PM
Quote from: srkruzich on September 14, 2008, 04:33:35 PM
When i was working under clinton years, I shelled out 20+k a year in taxes which was just plain theft. When bush took office, my taxes dropped to 3k a year.
Good heavens, you shelled out more in taxes than I made. Tell me again, what was your gripe?
welll my gripe was the taxes :P LOL. I had no real gripes from 96 - 2001. In 2001, i ended up disabled so
i couldn't work. But i made good money and it wasn't anything clinton did thats for sure. :)
Taxes got higher and higher under him.
Ok here was my gripe. Biggest gripe.
i made 101k in 98. by making 1001 dollars too much, i took home only 68k out of that 101k. They taxed the heck out ofme
BUT if i had only taken 99k i would have took home 82k instead.
SOo i had to start taking every dime i made over 99k and put it into a pretax asset like a medical savings plan. I had already funded
my ira totally so i had to come up with other things to drop my Gross income level below 100k.
It was bad enough i had to come up with all kinds of tricks to legally get my income low enough that i didn't get nailed by the taxman.
Ran a couple businesses at a loss for 3 years for deductions, made sure i did a service call every time i went to work, and after work i drove and did a service call so i could write off the 150 mile commute. things like that.