McCain buried Obama tonight.... and Pastor Warren wound up having to say a few words over Obama's badly bruised body before he planted him in the Saddlebrook Cemetery.
This is what I got out of it..... first of all, Obama forgot he was going to a Gunfight. Secondly, Obama is terrible at extemporaneous speaking, and comes off as Mr Wonk whenever he goes into policy. It was a look at how Obama idea's of "hope" and "change" are nothing more than rhetoric. Obama is all talk, and no substance. All I heard from Obama was a bunch of stuttering and hesitation, which suggested he was trying to think of the most favorable answer. McCain actually shared very personal experiences and expressed intimately his concerns and views on the issues we are currently facing today. McCain is also obviously much more educated on foreign issues which should be on everyone's priority list. How about the fact that Obama was only in the Senate 146 days before Oprah decided he was going to be our president compared to McCains 26 year experience in the Senate. Can someone tell me, again, why the Democrats nominated this guy? He's spent his entire post-primary campaign thus far demeaning his own base, while walking on eggshells trying to please center-right voters. What's the point? Time to do your research, people and get on McCain's bandwagon.
Obama is a Show Pony..To my knowledge he has never managed the finances of any institution or business, he has never RUN a business, he has never served in any emergency capacity such as EMS or fire service, has no military service, has never commanded men and women in problem situations. I could be wrong, but I don't think he's ever even coached a kid's basketball or t-ball team. AND he certainly was devoid of accomplishment in two years in the Senate.
He has no business running for president, and our mainstream media should turn in their press credentials because of the way they have bought into this whole smoke and mirrors act.
Although, I have to say, they just MIGHT turn on him...you know how they are.
We simply cannot have him as president.
But I believe that when it comes time to hit the voting lever, a lot of people who are star-glazed now will think, "Wait a minute, this stuff is serious"....and hopefully they'll pull the McCain lever.
Obama's just THAT scary.
From John McCain at Saddleback; I served in Viet Nam, oh yeah, I was a prisoner in Viet Nam. Can I tell one more story about Viet Nam? Georgia is occupying Russia, Oh yeah, I served in Viet Nam. Not one answer about what he will do as president either, just pandering. Did I mention I was in Viet Nam? What is wealthy? Six million dollars according to him. You could predict exactly what he would say after each question, and not one was a direct answer, just plug in a recording and out comes Viet Nam.
I respect John McCains' service in Viet Nam as well as service of any of our military anywhere. In no way does this make a man qualified to be president of the United States. John McCain wanted to be a Navy Admiral like his father and grandfather, but he just didn't have the right stuff. Wouldn't buckle down and study and couldn't handle the self disciplin. He is still lacking in judgement and self disciplin or he would not have had his wife and daughter at Sturgis, much less suggested the participation of his wife in a topless (and sometimes bottomless) beauty pageant. He could not have subjected her to being hooted at by the crowd to show us your boobs, with her daughter present. I was embarrassed for her and her daughter.
I feel that I can critisize John McCain openly even though he did that Viet Nam service. I was married to a Viet Nam vet for thirty years. He had two tours of duty there, and was a C-130 load master. It was part of his duty to supervise the body bags as they were brought back to the states. Once in awhile, he would talk about the war but not often. Most real war heroes don't like to speak of their service; it leaves an indelible mark on their psyche. But when he did speak of the war it was with great sadness and very little self grandizement. He would speak of the orphans and buying them clothing and food, some were not orphans but street urchins panhandling on the street. But he would treat them the same. He spoke of the villiagers they would evacuate and all their livestock and how frightened they were. He spoke of kicking out live cattle as food for the Monteguards, and how badly he felt about that. He also spoke a few names that were on the body bags and had somehow stuck in his mind. He wondered if the family would ever know who has cared for that body while it was in transit. Would he ever have used that service for his gain? Even for the election to the highest office in the land? I do not believe that he would have. For if nothing else he had great integrity, something that I think is lacking in John McCains' character.
One question I would have loved to hear was....
How could you vote and be against the Death Penalty but remain Pro-Choice.?
You can't support killing a killer, but the death of a viable human life is expendable,....?
You know, Teresa, I asked a democrat this very question one time, because I may be a democrat but I do believe in the death penalty. Her reply was "we democrats believe in feeding a hundred guilty killers than to kill one innocent prisoner". Guess she has a point, but I agree with Ron White, "three credible eye witnesses and you don't sit on death row for 10 years, you go to the head of the line". Personally, I also do not believe in abortion, however I don't feel I have the right to tell someone else not to. I don't know their circumstances and why they feel that abortion is necessary. Guess that makes me a "fence-straddler", huh?
Y'know I watched this too and I've been thinkin about what I got out of it since. It can be said "my" guy won about both of em. They have VERY different styles, the fact that Obama was puttin thought into his answers is not exactly a bad thing, means he might not fly off the handle and do somthin stupid. McCain was bam bam on some "this is what I think"period, which could get him in trouble from bein bullheaded. Really think he trotted out the Vietnam thing a bit much myself, he was there he did it, but so did a whole bunch of other guys who never talk about unless they are severely toasted and some not even then. McCain seemed to be playin to the crowd, Obama seemed to be talkin to Warren one on one. Could of been calculated but nobody knows for sure but him and God. McCain seemed strong on standin up to people and Obama seemed strong on diplomacy, too much of either one is not a good deal, a balance between the two is what is needed in this world. Obama is pro-life, McCain is anti-abortion, the fact of the matter is there have been abortions done since there have been people and always will be whether they are legal or not. Being legal just means a cleaner environment for the woman who is gonna do it no matter what. I think it is wrong, if you don't want to get pregnant keep your pants on but that's MY decision, I can't make it for anybody else and if it's legal at least she may not die from infection from it like they used to do. So that makes me lean towards Obama a wee bit. I still don't think either one of em is the man for the job tho. To say either one of em got whomped is a stretch tho, think they both did alright.
Pam I don't think the man for THIS job has been born nor ever was or ever will be. There is no perfect candidate nor will there ever be one. The best we can do is to educate ourselves as much as possible, say a prayer for ourselves and our country and do the best we can.
It's like somebody said on here before, the people who are best for the job don't want anything to do with the job. I see McCain and what comes to mind is somebodys slighty nutty grandpa putterin around out in the back yard cause he forgot where he was goin and then pitchin a fit and breakin windows or somthin cause he forgot he forgot! I see Obama and I'm human, I see a guy with an arab name whos beeen goin to a church with a reverse racist preacher for the last 20 years. Much as you try to pooh pooh it, it's true and he has been listenin to that for 20 years of his own free will y'know. So I hope sombody can see why I'm screamin PLEASE don't make me vote for either one of em :P
I also like how Obama tried to make the case that he would not have appointed Justice Thomas because of his lack of experience..... ??? Ahhh hello? Lack of experience?
Isn't that the Pot calling the kettle Black (No racial undertones intended)
He was talking about experience with the law and constitutional law in particular. Obama has served more elected time than Hillary Clinton for that matter. He also worked with churches and local organizations in Chicago to improve neighborhoods. He also taught law at Chicago University. Know youe facts! At least Obama didn't use catch phrases from his campaign to pander to the audience. But he can think in his own words, not parrot what has been written for him.
So he has worked with churches and local organizations... *Well THAT is a true accomplishment.*
He has taught Law at Harvard......... * along with thousands of other College graduates*
Quote from: sixdogsmom on August 18, 2008, 01:22:53 PM
But he can think in his own words, not parrot what has been written for him.
Ah, yes like the 60 states. (57 plus one to go, and Alaska and Hawaii. Or was he thinking the 57 Isalmic States?)
Or the "big bomb" dropped on Pearl Harbor.
Or the 10,000 killed in Kansas when it was only 12.
Or the the geographical orientation that makes Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois.
See Michelle Malkin for a list of how well he speaks in his own words.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MWZjY2YzZWVkMjdkMDEzMGQ0MjJkNTUyN2FkNmMzYTc=
Linda Bergthold
Leaks in McCain's Cone of Silence?
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I must admit that listening to McCain answer Pastor Rick Warren's questions so quickly and glibly Saturday night at the Saddleback Faith Forum made me wonder if he somehow knew them in advance. He was so confident, so concise. But I put the thought aside as unduly paranoid -- that is until Sunday afternoon. I was routinely checking my favorite election website fivethirtyeight.com and the webmaster, Nate Silver, referred to a piece in Daily Kos about the whereabouts of John McCain for the first thirty minutes of Senator Obama's interview with Rick Warren. Was he in a cone of silence? Apparently not.
Daily Kos blogger Furiousxxgeorge wrote at 3:27 pm Pacific time the following blog:
Pastor Warren, the host of last night's forum was just on CNN. In an interview with Rick Sanchez the pastor admitted McCain was not even at the Church for the first half hour of the event. This admission comes as a surprise to those of us who watched the event and were told many times that McCain was at the Church and in isolation.CNN says they talked to McCain's camp and they said no one in his camp was listening. The honor system, are you kidding me?I think it is pretty clear at this point McCain did indeed know the questions in advance.
Is this a big deal or not? It seems like someone ought to ask both McCain and Warren what really happened. The "truthiness" of this Forum is at stake. Warren will be on CNN Monday night, August 18 at 9 pm Eastern/6 pm Pacific. Tune in and comment!
Update 1: Pastor Warren states that McCain told him he did not "hear" the questions. He was in a motorcade from his hotel to the church, arriving about 30 minutes into the Obama interview hour. McCain did not say whether anyone else on his staff "heard" the questions, however. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/17/warren-mccain-did-not-violate-cone-of-silence/
Update 2: Warren has now given 2 or 3 different versions of which questions he told the candidates about prior to the event. First he said he told them about the orphan question and the abortion question. Then he said he told them about the "wise advisers" question and the "moral failure" question. That's four questions so far. Are there more?
John McCain
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I must admit that listening to McCain answer Pastor Rick Warren's questions so quickly and glibly last night at the Saddleback Faith Forum made me wonder if he somehow knew them in advance. He was so...
Oh my God, SDM.... You're a Kossack! Ol' George Soros would be proud of you, since he secretly OWNS the "Daily Kos."
Does this mean you're a Socialist/Communist? It must be if you are quoting the Daily Krumb... er.. Kos. Nobody reads that rag unless they are so far left that they can reach out and touch the doors to the Kremlin. I guess you support Putin and the carnage he caused in Georgia. Most of the Kossacks do.
I'll admit before I go on; I did not watch this TV interview. I did watch snippets of it, and I did watch an interview with Warren after the fact. So, this is why I make this point...
I think that before everyone gets out of hand here, let's step back and take a look at the purpose of this whole interview/forum with Warren. It was designed so that America could hear more personal information about their candidate to help them make a more informed choice. It doesn't matter who "won", as this was not a competition. This was supposed to be about each candidate opening their personal and moral chest and letting us all look in. How you view their decisions should be based on what your own moral chest looks like.
So, instead of bashing the other candidates... and each other on this forum... stop and take a look and see if your candidate "won" in your own heart and mind. Do you think he answered the questions with honesty and conviction? Do you think that his moral decisions fall in line with your own? Do you think you can stand behind this candidate if/when he gets elected and leads this country in the future? Will you be proud to say in 4 years; "yes, I voted for this man"?
Too much bashing. Too much bragging. Too much lying. Not enough honesty and conviction.
Exactly Tobina (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w30/cassieopia1/Icons/Smiley/High_Five_Emoticon.gif)
Remember that FAST or BEING FIRST TO ANSWER is not always the best.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on August 18, 2008, 01:22:53 PM
He was talking about experience with the law and constitutional law in particular. Obama has served more elected time than Hillary Clinton for that matter. He also worked with churches and local organizations in Chicago to improve neighborhoods. He also taught law at Chicago University. Know youe facts! At least Obama didn't use catch phrases from his campaign to pander to the audience. But he can think in his own words, not parrot what has been written for him.
I wouldn't bet anything I couldn't afford to lose on that one...the only difference between those two snakes is that one needs a teleprompter...the other one is still young enough to have a decent memory and can spout whatever his writer concocted.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_clarence_thomas/2008/08/18/123019.html?s=al&promo_code=680C-1
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama declared that he would not have nominated Clarence Thomas for the Supreme Court because he was not a "strong enough jurist" for the job.
Appearing at a forum at pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., on Saturday, Obama and Republican presidential rival John McCain were both asked which Supreme Court Justices they would not have nominated.
McCain said, "with all due respect" the four most liberal sitting Justices because of his different judicial philosophy.
Obama said: "I would not have nominated Clarence Thomas. I don't think that he ... was a strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time for that elevation. Setting aside the fact that I profoundly disagree with his interpretation of a lot of the Constitution."
He added that he also wouldn't have nominated Antonin Scalia, and perhaps not John Roberts, "though he assured the audience that at least they were smart enough for the job," The Wall Street Journal noted in an editorial on Monday.
The editorial continued: "So let's see. By the time he was nominated, Clarence Thomas had worked in the Missouri Attorney General's office, served as an Assistant Secretary of Education, run the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, and sat for a year on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, the nation's second most prominent court."
Obama, on the other hand, "isn't yet four years out of the Illinois state Senate, has never held a hearing of note [with] his U.S. Senate subcommittee, and had an unremarkable record as both a 'community organizer' and law school lecturer," The Journal observed.
"Justice Thomas's judicial credentials compare favorably to Mr. Obama's presidential résumé by any measure."