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Dennis Miller's suggestion on Fox tonight was for Hillary to pick up the pieces and salvage her run for the presidency as soon as she can.

She can do so by making a deal with Obama that she will withdraw from the race immediately, provided he names her as his running mate.

Miller says that the voting public will be so appalled at the the double dose of extreme liberalism, the result would be they will lose the November election to the Republicans.

This might be the only way for Hillary to free herself so she can make a legitimate run again in four years.

  I can see the logic in that.  What a convoluted path to get what you want,  but................... I wouldn't rule it out.

If my memory serves me right, and daughter just backed it up with research, Ronald Reagan lost his first attempt for the Republican nomination.  In 1968, he lost his bid to Richard Nixon.  He lost again to Gerald Ford for the nomination in 1976.  In 1980, he won the Republican nomination and chose George H. W. Bush for his running mate. 

If either of the two Democratic candidates backs off or if when they don't win the nomination, there is always another time.  Four years, eight years, I guess one is never too old.

 McCain is living proof of that.   ::)  Not only is he old, he is NOT who I want at all representing the Republicans.. >:(

Lord I wish there was SOMEONE on either side who was worth a tinkers damn for something.
But I am afraid we are SOL~~

Polls indicate Obama has a slight edge over McCain in the presidential race.

McCain has a slight edge over Hillary in the same race--she is not out of this quite yet.

McCain, if he wins, would be the oldest person to take the office.

Look at how much both Bill Clinton and George Bush aged over their eight years.

One would think McCain would pick a much younger person as a running mate to not only fill his shoes if it should be necessary but also to help counter Obama's youthfulness.

I just spent the last one hour and 45 minutes watching the Barack/Hillary debate from Austin, Tx.

Judging from the dearth of postings on this forum during that time, it appears that most of the members did also...........

I  forgot about the debate.  As soon as my basketball game is over I'll check it out.   I was prepared to vote for Romney, Guliane or Thompson. But  they had to pick the one I didn't want.  I'm used to voting for the person that I consider the lesser of two evils.  This year I will be down to choosing between who scares the hell out of me least!  That will take some real time to figure out.

We watched the debate this evening. It feels like Hillary is making some concessions, perhaps a prelude to VP? I hope not,  :P :P

Teresa, we agree with your comment above.  We are not pleased with the candidates that are running.  Yes, we watched the debate last night, my but they are LIBERAL!.  They all scare me this time.  Guess we just have to try to decide who is the lesser of the evils.

I chose to watch Idol this evening.
I get so tired of listening to what each say they will
do and then not really believe them.

I didn't miss much as the nightly news will run
pieces of it and already I am so tired of POLITICS!
God help us all

Hillary looked like a bobble head doll nodding in agreement with most things Obama said.

The "Hillary Cackle" has apparently gone away.

She said a lot of words but did not say much when asked why her opponent would not make a good commander in chief.

He responded in much the same way. There was only a little bit of "fireworks" and at point they were admiring each other so much I thought he was going to kiss her on the cheek.

UGH and UGH and UGH and UGH  and UGH :-X :-X :-X :-\ :-\ :-\ ??? ??? ??? :o :o :o

This is going to be long..  ::)  Like.. ahhh... what else is new with me.
When it comes to political or spiritual writings.. I tend to be on the windbag side..  I put things down on paper because it is almost therapy for me.. It keeps the people around me safer  ;D  and keeps me from going crazy and chewing the wood off the door frames.  ;D
Sorry... but I'm going to do it again.  ;) And most of this comes from what I have heard others say, but what I agree with.

Kathleen Parker scrutinizes the hysterical emotionalism of the Obama campaign

"Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason." —Benjamin Franklin

Much has been made of the religious tenor of Barack Obama's presidential campaign.

Reports of women weeping and swooning—even of an audience applauding when The One cleared his proboscis (blew his nose for you mortals)—have become frequent events in the heavenly realm of Obi-Wan Obama.

His rhetoric, meanwhile, drips with hints of resurrection, redemption and second comings. "We are the ones we've been waiting for," he said on Super Tuesday night. And his people were glad.

Actually, they were hysterical, the word that best describes what surrounds this young savior and that may be more apt than we imagine. The word is derived from the Greek hystera, or womb. The ancient Greeks considered hysteria a psychoneurosis peculiar to women caused by disturbances of the uterus.

Well, you don't see any men fainting in Obi's presence.

Barack Obama has many appealing qualities, not least his own reluctance to be swaddled in purple. Nothing quite says, "I'm only human" like whipping out a hankie and blowing one's nose in front of 17,000 admirers. The audience's applause was reportedly awkward, as if the crowd was both approving of anything their savior did, but a little disappointed at this rather ungodly behavior.

So what is the source of this infatuation with Obama? How to explain the hysteria? The religious fervor? The devotion? The weeping and fainting and utter euphoria surrounding a candidate who had the audacity to run for leader of the free world on a platform of mere hope?

If anthropologists made predictions the way meteorologists do, they might have anticipated Obama's astronomical rise to supernova status in 2008 of the Common Era. Consider the cultural coordinates, and Obama's intersection with history becomes almost inevitable.

To play weatherman for a moment, he is a perfect storm of the culture of narcissism, the cult of celebrity, and a secular society in which fathers (both the holy and the secular) have been increasingly marginalized from the lives of a generation of young Americans.

All of these trends have been gaining momentum the past few decades. Social critic Christopher Lasch named the culture of narcissism a generation ago and cited addiction to celebrity as one of the disease's symptoms—all tied to the decline of the family.

That culture has merely become more exaggerated as spiritual alienation and fatherlessness have collided with technology (YouTube, Facebook, MySpace, etc.) that enables the self-absorption of the narcissistic personality.

Grown-ups with decades under their double chins may have a variety of reasons for supporting Obama, but the youth who pack convention halls and stadiums as if for a rock concert constitute a tipping point of another order.

One of Obama's TV ads, set to rock 'n' roll, has a Woodstock feel to it. Text alternating with crowd scenes reads: "We Can Change The World" and "We Can Save The Planet."

Those are some kind of campaign promises. The kind no mortal could possibly keep, but never mind. Obi-Wan Obama is about hope—and hope, he'll tell you, knows no limits.

It is thus no surprise that the young are enamored of Obama. He's a rock star. A telegenic, ultra-bright redeemer fluent in the planetary language of a cosmic generation. The force is with him.

But underpinning that popularity is something that transcends mere policy or politics. It is hunger, and that hunger is clearly spiritual. Human beings seem to have a yearning for the transcendent—hence thousands of years of religion—but we have lately shied away from traditional approaches and old gods.

Thus, in post-Judeo-Christian America, the sports club is the new church. Global warming is the new religion. Vegetarianism is the new sacrament. Hooking up, the new prayer. Talk therapy, the new witnessing. Tattooing and piercing, the new sacred symbols and rituals.

And apparently, Barack Obama is the new messiah.

Here's how a 20-year-old woman in Seattle described that Obama feeling: "When he was talking about hope, it actually almost made me cry. Like it really made sense, like, for the first, like, whoa..."

This New Age glossolalia may be more sonorous than the guttural emanations from the revival tent, but the emotion is the same. It's all religion by any other name.

Whatever the Church of Obama promises, we should not mistake this movement for a renaissance of reason. It is more like, well, like whoa.

...end....
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Obama. It's almost like his followers are on ecstasy!  Now he's copying lines from his political buddies and making no excuses to boot. It works out perfect as his followers are the "Copy and Paste" generation.  Heaven help those who drink his Political Kool-Aid and help the rest of us if he ends up in the White House.
And I recall reading some where to beware of a false profit for those that follow will be deceived. Ever since he came on the scene this keeps popping in my head.
And yes, I am referring to the anti-Christ, who is supposed to be charming, charismatic, beloved by many, promising to bring peace to the world - before he inflicts his will and brings 7 years of utter chaos and unimaginable strife upon the entire globe. At which point, all hell breaks loose.

Hillery is in my opinion,  just a side show, a diversion.

But I'm really thinking that Obama seems to fit this bill pretty well. Like I said, I've been worried about that for some months now. Of course, he could just be another socialist fascist in sheep's clothing waiting to subdue and enslave us all, and turn the US into just another set of consumers and producers, in the great one-world economy, controlled by the one world government.

I hope I'm  wrong . . . .. but ever since he came on the scene.. there was just something not quite right with him. Something that lurks under the surface. Something that just reeks of sheep in wolfs clothing..  He is definitely a smooth talker and he talks and talks but really doesn't say anything. But it doesn't seem to matter to people. It is like they are not listening or thinking at the same time.  At least with Hillary you KNOW she is a bitch. You KNOW she is as corrupt as they come and what her plans are for America.. But Obama.................................. just where IS his allegiance??!??  ??? Does anyone really know? I don't think so...

I'll finish up this political soapbox on something the Kjell said:

When Obama or Hillary talks about solutions, it sounds like they have invented the wheel and everything will be fine when they start rolling forward from the White House. The saddest part is not the power hungry Obama or Hillary.... it is all those who want to buy this package without looking at what's under the fine wrapping paper.

I hate politics..
poly meaning "many", tics meaning "blood sucking parasites.

The end..  ;D  ( for awhile)  ;D

Boy you know how to roll those words around an issue.......

Good for you and I agree with you..........and really love the "BITCH" sentence.

I sure wish you would get out there and run for president.
I can just see us in Elk County running for the hills.....oh the black mail  ............You would  have the backing.

Thanks Teresa, Keep up the good work!

Fee Fie Foe Fum! I smell the blood of a republican! 100 years more war in Iraq! Hoorraaayyy!!! Our sons and daughters' blood spilled every day--- for what? We NEED CHANGE!!! The nation is failing economically! Wake up! We have unbridled inflation and the current oil barons that are in power have not been good for the people. We have goods being imported that have no quality. Sadly, many do not even know what quality is much less the absolute danger of all these profiteers! Think this through!

That's ok folks, now you can vote for Ralph Nader...again...don't you all feel better? :-X

Well... Just because I am a republican doesn't make me for the war. ( Because you are a Democrat, doesn't make you for gun control either)
But I get sick and tired of hearing how it is the Republicans fault for "starting" this war...and it is the Republicans who want to keep it going. It has taken more than George Bush to start this war.
Am I for it? Hell No!  Do I think that we should get out? Yes.. but ... I think it has to be very gradual and very very careful. The United States is the most hated country in the world...and if you think that we can just pull out without consequences to the US, you need to think again.
So before you start to Fee Fie Foe Fum me.............................. Let me refresh your hazy memory.....

Here is a little bit from the Clinton speech while he was office..


CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.
The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.

The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

With Saddam's latest act of defiance in late October, we built intensive diplomatic pressure on Iraq backed by overwhelming military force in the region. The UN Security Council voted 15 to zero to condemn Saddam's actions and to demand that he immediately come into compliance.
When Saddam still failed to comply, we prepared to act militarily. It was only then at the last possible moment that Iraq backed down.
made it very clear at that time what unconditional cooperation meant, and I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully, we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning.
The conclusions are stark, sobering and profoundly disturbing. In four out of the five categories set forth, Iraq has failed to cooperate. So Iraq has abused its final chance.

In short, the inspectors are saying that even if they could stay in Iraq, their work would be a sham.  Saddam's deception has defeated their effectiveness. Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors.

This situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere. The international community gave Saddam one last chance to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors. Saddam has failed to seize the chance.

And so we had to act and act now.

We will not only have allowed Saddam to shatter the inspection system that controls his weapons of mass destruction program; we also will have fatally undercut the fear of force that stops Saddam from acting to gain domination in the region.

That is why, on the unanimous recommendation of my national security team -- including the vice president, the secretary of defense, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the secretary of state and the national security adviser -- I have ordered a strong, sustained series of air strikes against Iraq.  At the same time, we are delivering a powerful message to Saddam. If you act recklessly, you will pay a heavy price.

We will pursue a long-term strategy to contain Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction and work toward the day when Iraq has a government worthy of its people.

First, we must be prepared to use force again if Saddam takes threatening actions, such as trying to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction or their delivery systems, threatening his neighbors, challenging allied aircraft over Iraq or moving against his own Kurdish citizens.

To end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people. Bringing change in Baghdad will take time and effort. We will strengthen our engagement with the full range of Iraqi opposition forces and work with them effectively and prudently.

The decision to use force is never cost-free. Whenever American forces are placed in harm's way, we risk the loss of life. And while our strikes are focused on Iraq's military capabilities, there will be unintended Iraqi casualties.  Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction.

And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them. Because we're acting today, it is less likely that we will face these dangers in the future.

But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so.

Tonight, the United States is doing just that. May God bless and protect the brave men and women who are carrying out this vital mission and their families. And may God bless America.

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Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Mississippi) and House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-Texas).
"I cannot support this military action in the Persian Gulf at this time," Lott said in a statement. "Both the timing and the policy are subject to question."

"The suspicion some people have about the president's motives in this attack is itself a powerful argument for impeachment," Armey said in a statement. "After months of lies, the president has given millions of people around the world reason to doubt that he has sent Americans into battle for the right reasons."

"Whatever happens, it will take years to repair the damage President Clinton has done to his office and his country," Armey said.

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Once again.. I have said time and time again.. I am NOT a die hard Republican in all issues.
I believe that Clinton started the chain of events of this war..( Hell .. even Hillary Clinton supported the war for awhile)  and Bush had 9-11 to deal with...and did what everyone wanted him to do!
Take charge and go after the bastards!
I don't care what president we would have had in office ( other than Obama) I think that they would have reacted the same way.
There really wasn't any choice.
Hopefully we can get out of this war, without causing another one.
I don't worry about another world war.. I worry about another Civil War.. THAT....  my friends... is coming........

And  if you want to talk about 9-11.... THAT is another subject altogether..and one that doesn't have "Innocent Pollyanna" stamped on it...like so many people would like to believe.. 

Who do you think should be running for president, someone like Teddy Roosevelt who brought the robber barons to their knees or H. Hoover who promise a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage?  I know that I would vote for Teddy if he was alive today.

I just want to say that I hate war and fighting of any kind.
But, we do have very nasty type people on this earth.

I know that since Bible times we have had to deal with Satan and
his powerful and deadly types.

But, I also am sure that we will survive this, IF IF IF we stop the mud slinging and
PLEASE try to play nice together..and I do say that tongue in cheek.....I don't want to
see the war here in the UNITED STATES.....and I don't think any of us do.

IF (and yes we must keep on keeping on) the troups are brought home before a it is time, then
there is nothing to stop the Terrorists from taking over the world.

It doesn't matter if we are Republican or Democrat or Independent or what ever you believe in.

Goodness will prevail..........I just hope that when the fur settles we American's can say that we did a good job
and when history looks back and we all know that will happen........LOOK AT THE HISTORY BOOKS.  that we come out of
this smelling better than we do right now.

I know that we don't have a good image around the world...........I do feel that we (America) has stuck its nose into too many places of the globe with an I KNOW BETTER ATTITUDE.

I do not have any idea of what can be done. I know that at least we are talking about it and maybe out of this a solution will come.

Please keep discussing and maybe some one can figure this out. No ONE person can do this........President or Senator or Preacher, etc......but the entire body of rightful people can.

Just give us time. It wasn't broken in a day and it sure won't be fixed in a day. ONE DAY AT A TIME.

And Lord please let us all pray for each other and the enemy's of this great nation.

We will survive.

Angels on your pillow.

anti-Christ description, uhm------sounds like it might describe the one we have now.

Quote from: sallysigner on February 24, 2008, 05:57:30 PM
anti-Christ description, uhm------sounds like it might describe the one we have now.

Bush? You talking about the selling us down the sh** road?  ( NAFTA and the Amicus Brief against gun owners.)  That Bush?
>:(
Like I say.. I don't think it is the Republicans and Democrats alone that has caused it..or  will undo what has been going on for the past hundred and before years... It is a combination of everything.
I DO think it has gone too far down.. Not being negative.. just honest..
Change? Of course I would love to see change.. but what kind?
I think we're going to have to have live through another depression before we can even have a hope of righting the imbalances.

Understand too, that when I debate or talk.. I am never angry at anyone.. I take nothing personally. We all have our opinions.. If we didn't, we would be robots. We are not going to agree a lot of the time. I wish each and every one had a "solution" to make the world a peaceful loving place to live. But neither I nor you nor anyone really knows how to do that.
It is because we can not control the world and the people in it.
The war we are fighting now is a multitude of "wars". It is an "oil" war.. and a hate war. Like I said.. They hate America and have said time and time again.. they want America gone and will do whatever they can do get the job done.! How can you fight that? And how much can you ignore?
Plus... we are in the middle of a 1,000 + year old religious war( which there is no winner)
Once again.. no way am I mad or angry at anyone on this forum or any one person who happens to disagree with my viewpoints. Quite the opposite. I am passionate about my country and ............
I am angry at the system and the people who are in control of our lives... who are pulling the strings in Congress..playing us as chess pieces in their political games.
THAT is what I am frustrated and angry with.

I want to make something clear; I have always tried to vote for the person I thought would be best for the country. I am a conservative democrat. I did not vote for Bill Clinton, that Arkansas administration stunk to high heaven and a couple of tours in the Whitehouse didn't improve the smell at all. In retrospect, I wish now I had voted for Al Gore. He has matured into someone who is trying to good in the world. I did vote for George Bush, both times. Had I known of the oil agenda and how the American people would suffer, I would have done differently. The test of a president is the country better or worse when he leaves office. The times cannot always be to blame, and I believe the country is NOT better off for his having been in office. I believe that his lack of intelligence is basic to the failure of his administration. I too supported the war, and naievely assumed we would perform the mission and then get out. GW wasn't as smart as his old man however, and didn't have sense enough to know when the party was over. He's got a tiger by the tail and can't turn it loose. In the meantime our young men ane women are dying every day for no specific reason. We should also complete the mission in Afghanistan, Russia went broke trying to tame that monkey. I still think Barack Obama is very intelligent and has the potential to be a great president. Charming doesn't make anyone the anti-christ; I guess we don't need to worry about Hillary being the anti-christ if that is the criteria.

The funny.... let me rephrase... the sad thing about politics is that the word change is like a magic word to all of us. We love that word. And that is all it takes for people to move in a different direction.. Simply one word... No need to explain or define what change is? Heck, let's change..... go for it. Who cares about consequences. Who cares about the fact that you cannot change politics and principles from one day to the next, from one term to the next.

Political campaigns are highly guided by consultants and marketing experts. They know how to run campaigns, but have no clue about governing. They are like castrated tomcats. They can howl about it, but they cannot actually perform.

We buy the rhetoric, we buy simple solutions, because we don't have to stop and think ourselves. We forget about history, we forget about principles, but most sadly we even forget about the principles this country was founded on.

I am a conservative and I don't hide that fact. I don't hide the fact that none of the candidates on either side is appealing to me.

But..., I rather support McCain and disagree with him 20% of the time than disagreeing with Barack or Hillary 90% of the time. These or not my words, but the words of Newt Gingrich, a man I highly respect. Take a listen to what he says about change:

George Bush is not an Anti-Christ, you may not agree with his policies and what he has done in office but he is not an Ani-Christ, in fact he is the opposite.
Frank Winn

Frank. You are right..
He is a Christian.( whatever that term means) .regardless of the lousy job he has done..

My point is you can take that description and put it with anyone you don't care for.  I'm sure I'll survive the election no matter who gets elected or takes the office.  Now I will leave the rest of you to agree with one another.  Give em HELL Harry!.

The country could use Harry Truman right now. He was a man for his times.

Harry did agreat job but I would rather have Ronald Reagan now. I think in his first term Ronald Reagan was the best President in my life time.
Frank

I heartily agree; he had a fine political machine behind him! He was smart and savvy, too bad his health failed, but it was handled nicely.

In my lifetime, there have been 3 great presidents, FDR, Harry Truman and to a lesser degree, Ronald Reagan.  FDR took on an impossible job and performed it well in spite of being physically handicapped.  Harry Truman was inexperienced when he was forced into a job that no one expected him to ever have to do and he performed well.  Ronald Reagan will always be to me the movie star that saw a need that he could fulfill and went about getting into the position to do it.  I liked the fact that as governor he kicked people off welfare that were freeloading and I hoped that he could do more for the nation.  I think that he knew how to play the part of a president and did so.  He presented the personality a president should have and Nancy knew how to be a lady as well as a First Lady.  Alas and alack, we just don't seem to have the people any more that think the nation comes first.  I think John McCain comes closer to this than any of the other candidates.   I am not saying that this is who I will vote for.  There is plenty of time yet and I am waiting to see how things proceed.

Well said Wilma, theer is a lot of time now. The DEMOCRATIC race for the nomination is in the current forefront since John McCain seems to be a shoo-in for the republican nomination. These are historic times indeed. We have a worn out pilot, a guitar playing preacher, a wife of a philanderer and a black. I wonder how it will look fifty years from now!

This maybe the worst group of candidates in my lifetime. Not that it is a woman but that it is a far left liberal that I think will be bad for the country, not that it is a Black man but it is a further left liberal that will be bad for the country, as far as being a black man running, I would vote for Colin Powell tomorrow. Jon McCain's position on Illegal Immigrants is very concerning, John McCain has exhibited very poor self-control over his temper and I think John McCain will have a difficult time working with the business leaders in this country. It is really disappointing that we don't have better people running for President.
Frank

Well frawin,  I'm right there with ya!  I worry about McCains temper and working with the business community as well.

Yep..yes.. yep .. yes.. and yepper again.. and yeeesss..
I just worry .. period.
I know it won't do any good.. only cause me gray hairs and wrinkled skin.. but I still fret anyway.  :-\
;D

Don't you mean more gray hairs and wrinkled skin, Ms. T? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Now you stop that - you hear?  ???

You stop it right now!  :o

We wil NOT, repeat, we wil NOT get into a discussion on gray haris and wrinkled skin! ! !
;D    :D    ;D    :D    ;D    :D    :D    ::)    :laugh:

Hey Hey HEY, Gray hair isn't anything to worry about......just buy a box and
DYE it...........LOL......or you could buy a wig.

I agree about Powell........I really wish we had him running. He would be good for
us and the world.......and oh well.......enough.

It is going to be a long year and I will save my mind for today instead of tomorrow.

AOYP

I know what you mean Teresa, I found a gray hair last week, it really upset me. Every so often Myrna will say "hold still I see a gray hair"and she will pull it. Then I say hold still to her, I see a black one coming in, do you want me to pull it.
Frank

Frank Frank Franlk.. tsk tsk... :-X you have been married long enough to KNOW that you shouldn't say things like that~~~~   (http://www.gangsterbb.net/emoticons/bash.gif)

So.. tell me.. After you tell her that ...
do you have to look at her through the one good eye that isn't swelled shut?
(http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/blackeye.gif)

Teresa, I always smooth it out by telling her ???????????. .
Frank

 :-X and that's all I got to say about that  :-X

Say What, Barrack?

By Paul R. Hollrah

Tuning in to C-Span recently, I found myself listening to a speech by Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, Jr. He was standing in the pulpit of a black church in Selma, Alabama, and as I studied the body language of the dozen or so black ministers standing behind the senator, I couldn't help but be reminded of the little head-bobbing dolls that people used to place in the rear windows of their 1957 Chevrolets. If their reactions are any indication, the new "Schlickmeister" of the Democrat Party is actually a pretty accomplished public speaker.

However, as he spoke, I found my b.s. alarm going off, repeatedly. But I couldn't quite figure out why until I actually read excerpts of his speech several days later. Here's part of what he said:

"...something happened back here in Selma, Alabama. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called, "ripples of hope all around the world." Something happened when a bunch of women decided they were going to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry, looking after somebody else's children.

"When (black) men who had PhD's decided 'that's enough' and 'we're going to stand up for our dignity,' that sent a shout across oceans so that my grandfather began to imagine something different for his son. His son, who grew up herding goats in a small village in Africa could suddenly set his sights a little higher and believe that maybe a black man in this world had a chance.

"So the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an airlift.  We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

"This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great- grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that, (in) the world as it has been, it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. Was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama."

Okay, so what's wrong with that? It all sounds good. But is it?

Obama told his audience that, because some folks had the courage to "march across a bridge" in Selma, Alabama, his mother, a white woman from Kansas, and his father, a black Muslim from Africa, took heart. It gave them the courage to get married and have a child. The problem with that characterization is that Barrack Obama, Jr., was born on August 4, 1961, while the first of three marches across that bridge in Selma didn't occur until March 7, 1965, at least five years after Obama's parents met.

Obama went on to tell his audience that the Kennedys, Jack and Bobby, decided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barrack Obama, Sr., to America.

The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November
1960. So if this African grandfather heard words that ''sent a shout across oceans,'' inspiring him to send his goat-herder son to America, it was not a Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, nor his brother Bobby, it was a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Obama's speech is reminiscent of Al Gore's claim of having invented the Internet, Hillary Clinton's claim of having been named after the first man to climb Mt. Everest, even though she was born five years and seven months before Sir Edmund climbed the mountain, and John Kerry's imaginary trip to Cambodia.

As one of my black friends, Eddie Huff, has said, "We need to ask some very serious questions of the senator from Illinois. It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, and it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye, will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince."


''Life's tough.....it's even tougher if you're stupid.'' ~ John Wayne

     In listening to the Paul Harvery News & Comment broadcast today, he was telling about the most recent debate Clinton/Obama had late last night, when it was brought up that Louis Farakan (not spelled right) has endorsed Obama.  As we all know Louis Farakan is of the Islamic religion.  I find this very disturbing.  Now, I do not follow politics all that closely, but why would someone that is not a US citizen be endorsing a presidential candidate for the US, unless there is something under-handed going on?  Farakan doesn't even live in this country does he?  (I avoid getting into political stuff as much as possible, or else my blood pressure will go thru the roof!!!)

Guess you didn't listen to the debate...... click on MSNBC and read all the info about this. 

My hope is that Hillary will get the nomination (slim chance) because I think McCain has a chance of beating Hillary and little or no chance of defeating  Hussein I mean Obama.
Frank

Farrakhan was born in the Bronx.

I thought he was from Massachusetts.

Born in the Bronx, May 11, 1933, and raised in Boston.

He lives in the Kenwood section of Chicago, which if you are a Californian is equivalent to Brentwood or Beverly Hills.

More on Obama....

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=1386760

A friend said he  recalled reading just recently that Obama, while growing up in Hawaii, hooked up with an old line, old school Communist name of Drank Davis. In Obama's book, O refers to him as a family friend named Frank, and downplays his role.
In fact, Frank was a rabid anti-America activist, long-time member of the US Communist Party who has never renounced his membership, and one of the early Black radicals. He became O's mentor and teacher, and that is one of the reasons O was so successful organizing dissidents and activists on Chicago's South Side - while not actually improving the community all that much.

And the Hyde Park mentioned in the article is more than just an upper middle class section of Chicago - it is a long-time hotbed of far left wing radicalism and activism - all by well-off mopes who have more money than brains.

this is what really scares me about hillary





http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=876_1204003942

bill clinton  : "So Hillary says, in 2005, the United States Congress adopted the Bush-Cheney energy bill, which gave $27 billion in subsidies to nuclear, oil, and gas and coal. The only thing that was justified was clean coal, because countries are going to be using that. We have to figure out how to take the carbon dioxide out of it. The rest of it is waste. If you elect me, I'll repeal those subsidies. And put them into a strategic energy fund that will create American jobs for America's future with clean energy"

OBAMA MANIA

(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall//colpics/columnistBlackwell.gif) Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun

It's an amazing time to be alive in America. We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.

We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender.

Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.

The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the front runner, and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him.

Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.

Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton.

Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.

Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant.

Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America. But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty."

Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.

Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich." How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.

Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" - hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois, he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood, and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.

The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.

But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.

It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilizational war.

I've said it before.. but these people scare me..



Michelle Obama And America

Michelle Obama, wife of Democrat front runner Barack Obama, shocked a lot
of people over the weekend when she said this:  "For the first time in my
adult lifetime I am proud of my country."  Wow!  That takes my breath
away.
Mrs. Obama is 44 years old, so for over roughly 24 years of "adulthood,"
taking her at her word, she has never been proud of our nation.  Is there
a theme here?  You may remember that last year Senator Obama said he
refused to wear a flag lapel pin because it represented a "substitute for
true patriotism."  And what precisely is true patriotism?  According to
Senator Barack Hussein Obama, it is opposing the war in Iraq.

Apparently nothing America did from 1982 to 2008 caused her heart to swell
with pride.  Not our successful effort to defeat Soviet communism and
liberate millions of people in Eastern Europe?  Not our relief efforts
around the world, through which we spent billions to help the downtrodden?
Not anything?

When she learned with all the rest of us ! how her fellow citizens on
United Flight 93 bravely fought back against jihadist hijackers and prevented
another disaster on September 11th, did she not fill up with pride?  As
Americans of all races and classes rallied together in defense of our
nation in the aftermath of September 11th, did her spirit not jump with
love for her homeland?
Apparently not.

The Obamas are living examples of the American Dream.  Both Michelle Obama
and her husband have Ivy League degrees.  They make a joint income of over
one million dollars a year.  They live lives that most ordinary Americans
can only dream of.  Yet, Mrs. Obama, who wants to be first lady, has been
unable to find the pride in America that millions of ordinary Americans
feel every day.

Sadly, her attitude is not rare among left wing American elites.  We are
"educating" millions of Americans to be globalists first and foremost, and
we are doing precious little about educating our children to be proud and
unashamed Americans.

She also wrote a thesis at age 22 that is drawing quite a bit of attention.

Can't go too much on school, though, take George W. for example...

Someone has said the "swift boating" of Obama has been pretty tame but should get more interesting as time moves along.

Interesting facts that I received today...





CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
28%

CLINTON
24%

How does this affect you?
If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to  taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on  the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.



DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6%

CLINTON
39.6%

How will this affect you?
If you have any money  invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will  now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama or Clinton  become president. The experts predict that "Higher tax rates on  dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet do absolutely  nothing to cut the deficit."



INCOME TAX

MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500

Single making 50K - tax $12,500

Single making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 60K- tax $9,000

Married making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 125K - tax $31,250



OBAMA
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400

Single making 50K - tax $14,000

Single making 75K - tax $23,250

Married making 60K - tax $16,800

Married making 75K - tax $21,000

Married making 125K - tax $38,750



CLINTON
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400

Single making 50K - tax $14,000

Single making 75K - tax $23,250

Married making 60K - tax $16,800

Married making 75K - tax $21,000

Married making 125K - tax $38,750


How does this affect you? No explanation needed.
This is pretty straight forward.



INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
0%
(No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Keep the inheritance tax

CLINTON
Keep the inheritance tax


How does this affect you?
Many families have lost businesses, farms and ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax.  Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.



NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY BOTH CLINTON AND OBAMA

* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2,400 square feet

* New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)

* New taxes on natural resource consumption (gas, water, electricity)

* New taxes on retirement accounts and last but not least....

* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the  same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!


If Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) Could Enact All Of His Campaign Proposals, Taxpayers Would Be Faced With Financing $874.35 Billion In New Spending In His First 4-Year White House Term.


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MORE DETAILS IF YOU ARE INTO DETAILS:

Updated  February 14, 2008:
Obama's National Infrastructure  Reinvestment Bank Will  Cost $60 Billion Over Ten Years; Equal To $6  Billion A Year And $24 Billion Over Four Years. Obama: "I'm proposing a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank that will invest $60  billion over ten years." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks On Economic Policy, Janesville , WI, 2/13/08)

Obama's Health Care Plan Will Cost Up To $65 Billion A Year; Equal To  $260 Billion Over Four Years. "[Obama] campaign officials estimated that the net cost of the plan to the federal government would be $50 billion to $65 billion a year, when fully phased in, and said the revenues from rolling back the tax cuts were enough to cover it." (Robin Toner and Patrick Healy, "Obama Calls For Wider And Less Costly Health  Care Coverage," The New York Times, 5/30/07)

Obama's Energy Plan Will Cost $150 Billion Over 10 Years,  Equal To $15 Billion Annually And $60 Billion Over Four Years. "Obama  will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance ! the next generation of  biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in  low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital  electricity grid." (Obama For America, "The Blueprint For Change," www.barackobama.com, Accessed  1/14/08, p. 25)

Obama's Tax Plan Will Cost Approximately $85 Billion A  Year; Equal To $340 Billion Over Four Years. "[Obama's] proposed tax  cuts and credits, aimed at workers earning $50,000 or less per year, would  cost the Treasury an estimated $85 billion annually." (Margaret Talev,  "Obama Proposes Tax Code Overhaul To Help The Poor," McClatchy  Newspapers, 9/19/07)

Obama's Plan Would Raise Taxes On Capital Gains And Dividends, And On Carried Interest. Obama's tax plan includes: " increasing the highest bracket for capital gains and dividends  and closing the carried interest loophole." (Obama For America, "Barack Obama: Tax Fairness For The Middle Class," Fact Sheet,  www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/8/08)

Obama's Economic Stimulus Package Will Cost $75 Billion."Barack Obama's economic plan will inject $75 billion of stimulus into the economy by getting money in the form of tax cuts and direct spending  directly to the people who need it most." (Obama For America, "Barack Obama's Plan To Stimulate The Economy," Fact Sheet, www.barackobama.com, 1/13/08) 

Obama's Early Education And K-12 Package Will Cost $18  Billion A Year; Equal To $72 Billion Over Four Years. "Barack Obama's  early education and K-12 plan package costs about $18 billion per year." (Obama For America, "Barack Obama's Plan For Lifetime Success Through Education," Fact Sheet, www.barackobama.com, 11/20/07, p.15)

Obama's National Service Plan Will Cost $3.5 Billion A Year; Equal To $14 Billion Over Four Years. "Barack Obama's national  service plan will cost about $3.5 billion per year when it is fully  implemented." (Oba! ma For A merica, "Helping All Americans Serve  Their Country: Barack Obama's Plan For Universal Voluntary Citizen  Service," Fact Sheet, www.barackobama.com, 12/5/07) 

Obama Will Increase Our Foreign Assistance Funding By $25  Billion. "Obama will embrace the Millennium
Development Goal of cutting  extreme poverty around the world in half by 2015, and he will double our  foreign assistance to $50 billion to achieve that goal." (Obama For  America, "The Blueprint For Change,"www.barackobama.com, Accessed  1/14/08, p. 53)

  Obama Will Provide $2 Billion To Aid Iraqi Refugees. "He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own  country can find a safe-haven." (Obama For America, "The Blueprint  For Change," www.barackobama.com, Accessed  1/14/08, p. 51)

Obama Will Provide $1.5 Billion To Help States Adopt  Paid-Leave Systems. "As president, Obama will initiate a strategy to  encourage all 50 states to adopt paid-leave systems. Obama will provide a $1.5 billion fund to assist states with start-up cots and to help states  offset the costs for employees and employers." (Obama For America,  "The Blueprint For Change," www.barackobama.com, Accessed 1/14/08, p. 15)

Obama Will Provide $1 Billion Over 5 Years For Transitional Jobs And Career Pathway Programs, Equal To $200 Million A Year And $800 Million Over Four Years. "Obama will invest $1 billion over  five years in transitional jobs and career pathway programs that implement  proven methods of helping low-income Americans succeed in the  workforce." (Obama For America, "The Blueprint For Change,"www.barackobama.com, Accessed  1/14/08, p. 42)

Obama Will Provide $50 Million To Jump-Start The Creation  Of An IAEA-Controlled Nuclear Fuel Bank. Obama: "We must also stop the  spread of nuclear weapons technology and ensure that countries cannot build -- or come to the brink of building -- a weapons program under the auspices  of developing peaceful nuclear power. That is why my administration will  immediately provide $50 million to jump-start the creation of an  International Atomic Energy Agency-controlled nuclear fuel bank and work to  update the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty." (Sen. Barack Obama,  "Renewing American Leadership," Foreign  Affairs, 7- 8/07)

Teresa, if Obama and/or  Hillary get in the best thing to do is go South of the Border and and comeback into the US as an illegal. You will pay consderably less income tax, if any,  can draw social security, have free medicine, free education for your children and if you commit a crime go back to Mexico, change your name and comeback and start all over again. There is nothing surprising in what Obama/Hillary propose in taxes and socialized medicine. it is much the same as Carter, Gore , Kerry and Edwards proposed.
Frank

But Frankie.............................. (http://www.gangsterbb.net/emoticons/crying.gif)

I can't  speak Mexican..... (http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/tears.gif)
so I have to stay here and pay for everything.........WWWAHHHHHHHHHHHH   (http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/crybaby2.gif)

Teresa, not to worry - illegals don't have to speak english in this country so what makes you think you have to speak mexican if you go down there?  ;D ;D ;D

I read another article in the paper this week about Barack Obama's Grandmother being born in Peru Kansas, given that surely he will carry Elk, Chautauqua and the adjoing counties, "VOTE FOR THE HOMETOWN/AREA BOY".
Joe

A float in a German parade....
SO, you think the world isn't watching the fiasco in the USA?



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