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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: W. Gray on January 07, 2008, 12:49:22 PM

Title: Conspiracy?
Post by: W. Gray on January 07, 2008, 12:49:22 PM
Does anyone think Hillary will blame her Iowa third place finish and her apparent decrease in the New Hampshire polls on a "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy?"
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: sixdogsmom on January 07, 2008, 01:34:13 PM
Among other things, no doubt! I think she is very presumtious thinking that her time in the whitehouse counts toward experience. From what I saw she did officially, got botched and was a purposeful effort to get her in the public eye. Should she be elected there will no more be national health care than there was when she and Bill were in the whitehouse. At this point in time I am quite impressed with Obama; he is black, but also he is white. He is Christian now, converted from Islam. I respect that, he knows where the Islamics come from. He seems to be the family man, and his wife is a delight. Obama behaves like a gentleman, and treats others with respect, even Hillary. I am currently doing some investigating to find out more. This is the first democratic candidate I have been interested in for quite some time. I have been a democrat voting republican for the past several elections. We will see.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: Roma Jean Turner on January 07, 2008, 04:08:27 PM
I always remember the mayorial election in Kansas City in the 80"s (can't remember the exact year).  Anyway one of the candidates was the Rev Emmanuel Clever.  Everyone said that Kansas City was not ready for a black mayor. But Rev. Clever ran.  An older women ran.  There were two young, up and coming yuppies who were so convinced that they were the only people in the race worth looking at that they went after each other with a vengeance.  You couldn't get through a TV program without one of their mudslinging ads.  Rev Clever's ad was simple, he walked into his office, sat on the side of the desk, looked at the camera and just said what he would like to do for Kansas City and thanked us for listening.  When election day came, myself and thousands of others went to the poll and elected the first black mayor of Kansas City.  Rev. Clever is the standard by which I measure a candidate.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: sixdogsmom on January 07, 2008, 07:03:09 PM
I also respect a person who shows respect for others. Good manners still count, even in the evil world of politics. I appreciate intelligence and knowledge. Thanks for sharing that Roma Jean, it should be an object lesson for other candidates.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: W. Gray on January 07, 2008, 08:08:13 PM
The video released today shows her getting slightly emotional, almost to the point of tears.

In that video, she appears to be saying that if the American people do not elect her as the next President of the United States, the country can only go backwards.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: Judy Harder on January 07, 2008, 09:32:43 PM
She is scarey............I wonder would she consider a part in a drama.......she seems
to be acting a role.

Not looking forward to this political year at all.........I too, am a democrat that votes the man
and usually the one I do vote for is Republican

God watch over us all
AOYP
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: Carl Harrod on January 07, 2008, 11:46:04 PM
I just have to put in my two cents worth on  Mr Obama - I will not vote for nor will I ever respect a man who is running for the highest office in this country that will not show the proper respect for our Nations flag.  Check this out: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

I know there is a lot of mud slinging in the campaign but that video convinced me!
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: greatguns on January 08, 2008, 05:14:58 AM
Not running for a political office, I can tell you I was taught to stand when the National Athem was played.  Nobody said I had to put my hand over my heart.  But I was also taught to stand when the colors went by not the flag.  Guess I better not run for any office.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: Roma Jean Turner on January 08, 2008, 08:08:55 AM
I saw this covered by the media, don't remember which stations, etc., but I don't recall anyone holding him accountable, in person,  for that.  In all of this hoopla surrounding him, you would think one of the "media bobble heads' could ask him what in the world he was thinking by refusing to do that.  Or was it just plain immaturity or not thinking at all?????  What already.....before this guy gets elected president.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: W. Gray on January 08, 2008, 09:25:56 AM
If Hillary does not get the nomination, it can probably be traced to the fact she hoisted herself on her own (and his) petard, to borrow a phrase from an English gentleman.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: archeobabe on January 08, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
I will not vote for someone who doesn't have the experience to run our country.  A year in congress or eight years as first lady does not count for experience for running our country.  Whether the candidate is white, black, male, female, Republican, Democrat or Third party.  There are candidates that have that experience.  Do the research, listen close to candidates when they talk especially between the lines, and watch their actions (it speaks louder than words).  The person we put in office will face many uphill battles.  Remember the president doesn't run the country the congress does.  The president can veto or sign a law into place and authorize diaster relief or send in the national guard.  To make the change in our country is to vote out the those who are wasting out money. Look to your senators and congressmen.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: Teresa on January 08, 2008, 11:42:48 AM
I am reading these.. but I am just way too emotional where all of  this is concerned, so I will politely stand on the sidelines and hope like hell the duct tape stays on my mouth!  :-X
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: sixdogsmom on January 08, 2008, 01:12:09 PM
Quote from: Carl Harrod on January 07, 2008, 11:46:04 PM
I just have to put in my two cents worth on  Mr Obama - I will not vote for nor will I ever respect a man who is running for the highest office in this country that will not show the proper respect for our Nations flag.  Check this out: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

I know there is a lot of mud slinging in the campaign but that video convinced me!

I feel like I must respond to this. It is obvious that all the candidates on the stage are NOT facing the flag like the flag code says we should do. Like Sally, I also was taught to stand when the flag was presented, and it seems only recently that the hand over the heart thing started. Farther down in this article it shows Mr. Obama saluting the flag as well as crossing his heart during presentation. Go figure, I didn't see anything that suggested he REFUSED to salute the flag.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: Roma Jean Turner on January 08, 2008, 04:47:30 PM
  Good, I'm glad to hear that.  Once again we were only shown part of the picture.  Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: Teresa on January 19, 2008, 01:21:49 PM
I received this from a friend who lives in Illinois.. Here is what he said.:


Having been from Illinois, where I had to live for most of my adult life, here is who Obama is.

He is an Illinois politician (i.e., corrupt, like Daley just not caught yet), a socialist who has leveraged his "work" in the worst parts of Chicago for this political limelight, and the worst parts of Chicago are still just exactly that - the worst - in spite of his earnest efforts, which of course had nothing to do with resolving the real problems in Chicago. He is a student of Saul Alinsky, trained in the streets, and a master of the "move the masses" that Alinsky favors. Obama has an agenda a mile long, of which we only see the tip of the iceberg at this point. He is about as Christian as my easy chair, and his concern for the average Joe about as real as Hitlery's Southern accent.

He is dangerous for what is known of his past and for being from Illinois. He is also, like most of the current candidates, much more dangerous for what we don't know about them, who they have sold out to, who they really represent, what it is they want to do to us (not for us).

That is Barak Obama - in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: greatguns on January 19, 2008, 01:29:38 PM
New, fresh,inexperienced.  That all sounds like good things to me.
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: sixdogsmom on January 19, 2008, 07:02:34 PM
OMG!! He must be a  :o :o (Gasp) POLITICIAN!!!
Title: Re: Conspiracy?
Post by: Diane Amberg on January 19, 2008, 07:27:32 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D