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I have been thinking about the picture that everyone (well a few anyway) was questioning whether it was of Howard or not.

I spoke with my mother and she says she remembers parking in the middle of street but does not remember parallel parking.

It would seem the Firestone garage building, also at one time a livery stable, had to have been replaced by the all new from the ground up building housing International-Harvester where the Senior Citizen building and optical place are now. That was around 1950.

At around the same time, I remember having a window seat on the second floor above the old McKee's dime store watching workers put in the new decorative light poles up and down the business area of Wabash that are still there and still in pretty good shape. As a little kid, construction of any kind always intrigued me. I think at the same time they put in the light poles they put in the extra curb.

I remember looking out that same window just before New Year's Day 1953 when news came over the radio that Hank Williams died of a "heart attack."

Waldo, that was a Minneapolis-Moline Dealer instead of International Harvestor.
Frank

Frank, that is interesting and it was close to Winn's Cafe at that.

I thought I remembered the big "I" inside the "H" that was on the doors.

Someone out there can surely break the tie.

Waldo, Jo McDonald worked there so we can let her break the tie. Also there is a sign form there in the Gragg Museum, I can promise you it was M-M. Howard never had and IH dealer, they had Allis Chalmers, Case, Ford,  New Idea,  New Holland and M-M. Also Winn's cafe wasn't there until after the M-M dealer closed.
Frank

Frank,

Let's go across the Washington Street from our implement dealer to where the Cox Community Center is.

Wasn't that Hebb's Garage? I seem to recall a Lou Hebb. I also recall a rather drab building that might not have been in good shape.

But, I also recall a Hebbs garage selling Pontiacs where Lannings is now down at the south end of Wabash. The earliest I recall him being there is 1955.

No that was Carl Lauffers Sinclair Service and later John Markeley had his vet cllinic there. Adrian Hebb and his brother-in-law, Earl Dean,  started Hebb and Dean Garage, also Sinclair after the war, it was where Lannings is now. Sam Hugg was the original Pontiac dealer and was across the street from Hebbs now Lannings. Sam sold out to Adrian and Adrian moved the dealership across the street and Kiners moved their Grocery Store into the building where Hugg had been.
Frank

Well if it was Carl Lauffer's color me red.

They were relatives if you consider my mother's sister married, I think, Carl's brother. Maybe that is why I recall walking around there.

I don't think Hebb's Garage was ever on that corner.  Lou Hebb was the father of Adron Hebb, the latter of whom ran Hebb's Garage at the corner where Lannings' Supply now sits.  Billy Lanning bought the garage from Adron.

Adron started it in partnership with his brother-in-law, Earl Dean, and later bought him out.  I don't know whether the name Dean was ever in the name of the garage.  Lou was not associated in ownership with the garage, but he spent many, many hours there and told many "fishing tales".  The big fish that was mounted in the garage was caught by Lou and set a fishing record in the state of Kansas, I believe.  He was my great-uncle.

At one time, Paul Thompson had a Purina Feed Store in the area that is now the Senior Center.  It was probably in the late 1950s.  The Production Credit managed by Mr. Burghart at that time was in the front of that building, and another office was between that building and the feed store.  I don't remember what the middle business was, but Josephine Eaglin worked there, I recall.

Sorry, Frank, that I repeated some of the information you posted.  I must have been typing at the same time.

KRI

That was not a problem, I am glad you jumped in.
Frank

Waldo, Sam Hugg was also the Case Dealer and when he sold the Pontiac Dealership to Adrian Hebb he also sold the Case Dealership to Bud McClure.
Frank

The M-M dealership was owned by Tony Zeleny that was the only dealership on that side of the street and it seems like Edith Barkley worked at the Production Credit and didn't Josephine Eaglin work there too?  There was a feed store behind that, between there and the alley.  Didn't Marie Wiseman own the cafe at that time?  All of those business were in the late 40's and early 50's.  Down the street south - between your Dad's meat market and Smith & Goodwin's was Bartlett Jewlery store.  Cob & Terry Miller put a cafe/coffee shop in where the meat market was, didn't they, Frank?
Waldo and Slim Gray had their barber shop under the post office on the corner of Randolph and Wabash. Carl and Grover Cooley had their barber shop and Ruth had a beauty shop under the old bank building on the corner of Washington and Wabash/

Dang Mama... You are pretty sharp for an old cookie..  ;D ;D

Jo, I think Josephine worked for A.K. Rader in the Farmers Home Administration (FHA), which was also in the same building, I think it was just around the corner from the PCA office. The Feedstore was Paul Doris Thompson, Purina feeds. Mary Wiseman Strange had the M&M it was across the street from where the folks later had the cafe, in the building that later became the North part of Perkins and Greene Hardware, the Dave and Hazel Knight bought it and moved it to where it was when Mom and Dad bought it from Knights. I agree with you on Bartletts and yes Cob and Terry did put in the Cafe where the old Meat Market was in fact the lockers were still in that building and people went into Cob's to get to there lockers that were then owned by Clarence Lister. Wow, I love the memories that the Forum and people like you Jo, brings back.
Frank

Frank --- the Barber Bros. - Marion and Bud owned the garage that is now Lannings at one time, didn't they?  Fred worked for them for a while when he was still in high school and lived with his Great Uncle Frank Organ in the Howard Hotel.  And who did Rex Armstrong work for in that garage---was it Hebb's Garage then -- and who was the mechanic that worked at Carl Lauffer's garage.  We had a Dodge car in the late 40th that wasn't worth a hoot - but Fred had it worked on at Carl's Garage.
 

 Do you all still have freezer lockers out there? When I was growing up we had a home freezer, but also had two lockers at the rear of Smack's Butcher Market over at Avondale PA. He also processed the local deer, hogs, lambs and cattle for anyone who didn't do their own. I think they are extinct here now.

There are not any left in Elk County that I have heard about.

Your question got me to wondering if there are any commercial freezer operations like that left anywhere.

I did a quick surf on the internet and did not find anything--but there always seems to be an exception to everything.

There are  meat processing plants w/lockers in Grenola - one in Fredonia and one in Neodesha, one in Parsons, one in Moran and two in Yates Center.  Of course there is a lot of will game hunting in this area - and a lot of beef and pork  producers .. so that is probably the reason there are still operating meat processing businesses.

Frank, when I came home for lunch I asked Fred when he worked for the Barber Bros. Garage and he said it was in the summer of 1945, just before he enlisted in the Navy and he did live with his Uncle Frank at the hotel.

I'm pretty sure the Oswego Locker is still there too.  We used them when we lived there ~ oh, maybe 10 years ago.  It was pretty handy, and they also had meat for sale when we'd used all ours up :)...  There used to be a good one in Cedar Vale too, at least there was a few years back.  All this talk of meat is making me hungry.  Marty and I were talking last night about getting some steers to raise next spring.  I think we've been living on venison most of this year and I do like it a lot, but I do like to change up once in a while...  Oh  :o looks like I got off topic "Wabash Street" again.  Sorry  :-[

I think I have heard that Adrian bought out the Barber Bros. is that correct.
Frank

Jo, Rex Armstrong and Henry Jabes were the 2 mechanics at Hebbs in the early day.
Frank

Darn--I wish we had started this forum when Frank Gibbon-Waldo Gray-Marge Armstrong-Mary Ellen Snodderley-Elwood Miller**still alive..I wonder if he would be able to enlighten us on a lot of this info? * and Paul Moore and Izola....Agnes Miller .. Ohhhh there are so many,  if only we were to contact them.. I am sure that Glen Miller would be a great source of information, and as mentioned before Hazel Moore and Margaret Gragg. . 
  I regret so very much that I did not "dig" into our family history --- now there are only three or four of us left, and I'm not too sure that any of them remember any more than I do.  Sad----so sad !!

I think allens cafe was the first to be in the new cafe building.  Then they moved across the street beside the Toggery.

Jody and Jo, I know that Pop and Sue are in the mix somewhere but I am not sure where. I am imagine Pat Allen could add something to this. I love discussing the Howard History and happenings. I just wish I had asked more questions and written down more answers years ago. We have gone to Topeka to the Kansas Historical Library to copy Genealogy and family history from old newspapers, including the Howard Papers, I will look for more Howard happenings the next time we go. Jody, I am working on coming up with a picture of the Toggery.
Frank

I was and am so proud of myself for owing a building on Wabash Avenue in Howard, Kansas.  In 1975 when I earned my license in cosmetology I had K.K. Kiner and Ray Jeanneret build onto our garage and had The Country Corner Beauty Salon.  ALL MINE !! I was 45 years old and finally had fulfilled my dream of being a hairdresser.  I was there until 1986 and at that time I bought the old KG&E building from Ruth Cooley and with all the hard work that Mark Cookson - Robert Vinette and myself could pour into it after 5 PM it was renovated into my BEAUTIFUL Touch of Country Beauty Salon.  I opened those doors on August 26th 1986.  I was so very very happy there and had wonderful young ladies that worked for me.  Byra Juaire- whom I loved dearly - Peggy Criger - Vickie Crupper -
Christy Tyler - Myra Pickett - Brenda Edwards - and a school teacher's wife, her name was DeAnne...but for the life of me I can't remember her last name.  We all had such a good relationship and I felt like I had 7 daughters, plus my Very Own Teresa and Sherri.  I sold my business to Diane Hyler in 1994, and retired and started on another journey of life.   I go by the building, now owned by Kathy Davis and I still feel the love of that building in my heart. 
  This is so "goofy"  but one day in June, I answered the phone here in the gatehouse -- Touch of Country uhhhh  Elk City State Park, this is Jo...hahahaha  Jackie Overfield was working with me that day and she just fell in one of the chairs and laughed like a fool... When I got off the phone, she asked,  "What in the world did you say'?  I had to go through with my story, so I guess it will always be with me, and in my heart it will always be mine.

Jo, that is a neat story and one that you can be and no doubt are proud of. That is what makes Howard a neat place to live, the people and the businesses.
Frank

QuoteI regret so very much that I did not "dig" into our family history --- now there are only three or four of us left, and I'm not too sure that any of them remember any more than I do.  Sad----so sad !!

Jo, I am with you there.  We always figured Mom or Grandma would be there to tell us things, now they are gone and Dad has a hard time remembering, but he sure loves it when I show him some of the old photos.

So to everyone, instead of kicking our selves for not having asked the questions when we had the chance, let's take the time to document for our future generations these things. Joanne has been asking for a picture of the Toggery, we are all keeping our eye peeled for that one, I bet it turns up in someone's old photo of a Howard Parade. 

Jo (or Theresa) please post pictures of the beauty shops. You remember them very well, but your grandkids or great grandkids might not.

As someone who is one generation removed from Howard and Elk County, you all cannot imagine how grateful I am to all of you for your stories, your input and your humor. Your family stories are mine, the names and locations may be different, but we share a common bond and the trials and tribulations of your parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins are more similar to than different from the experiences of my family.  God Bless You All.

Quote from: Jo McDonald on August 28, 2007, 08:28:21 AM
In 1975 when I earned my license in cosmetology I had K.K. Kiner and Ray Jeanneret build onto our garage and had The Country Corner Beauty Salon.  ALL MINE !! I was 45 years old and finally had fulfilled my dream of being a hairdresser.

;)

That's my mama!~
A beauty then and a beauty now.
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Yes, she is!

Teresa, yes she was and is both inside and out.
Frank

Or as my Mom, Dorothy Pagan, would say, "She always looks like she is ready to step out of a band box." 

I have a picture of your Dad  on stage at the  HOWARD fair.  I willmake a copy fo you if you want it.  I will have to mail it, as I can't get pictures printed on the Forum any more.  I never did get that picture back that I told you about [Arch and CLARENCE]   Did you see the dance program on page 14 of  good old days?

Yes, Ms. t.  Our mama Jo was and is beautiful.