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The Establishment Department of History – you know, the people who inform us that the study of history began with the death of Elvis – are now informing Boobus that last night's slaughter – which killed 50 people – was "America's deadliest shooting." I will give these "experts" the benefit of the doubt and assume they mean numbers of Americans killed in one day at one location. Revisionist that I am, I must correct this false accounting. The numbers of soldiers butchered in the American Civil War reflect the following: [1] Battle of Gettysburg (July 1-3, 1863) shows 7,863 dead; [2] Seven Days Battles (June 25-July 1, 1862) had 5,228 killed; [3] the Battle of Chickamagua (September 19-20, 1863) provided 3,969 dead soldiers; [4] the Battle of Antietam (September 17, 1862), accounted for 3,654 dead; while [5] the Battle of Shiloh (April 6-7, 1862), added 3,482 victims to the grisly total of that war. Even the battles that lasted for more than one or two days provided numbers of daily dead that ran into the thousands.

There are numerous other Civil War battles providing far in excess of the Establishment's newly-crafted record of 50, but these people tend to discourage any inquiries involving the harsh realities of the Civil War. Furthermore, space on the LRC blogsite is not unlimited: to list all of the 50+ daily dead in that war might pose logistical problems for Lew.

I have never been impressed by the assumption that the larger the number of victims of wrongdoing the greater the evil involved. I am reminded of scenes from two of my favorite movies: the first being The Americanization of Emily, in which Julie Andrews is being told of James Garner's heroism in being "the first American to die on Normandy Beach," to which she replies "oh, was there a contest?" The second film, Judgment at Nuremburg, has the wonderful line of the judge, played by Spencer Tracy, in which he lists three of the principles for which this war-crimes tribunal stood. The last of which is "the value of a single human being." The political Establishment – which, by its nature, values collectives more highly than individuals – is aroused only by large numbers of victims. For civilized men and women, the murder of 50 victims does not increase human suffering, but only repeats it!
-Butler Shaffer

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/deadliest-mass-shooting/

THE LARGEST MASS SHOOTING IN US HISTORY HAPPENED December 29,1890. When 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota were murdered by federal agents & members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms "for their own safety and protection". The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

The Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

While I understand how everyone feels, can you tell me any other occasion when ONE lone civilian terrorist gunman killed more than 49 civilians in a civilian social location? All the others were either multiple gunmen, military, bombings, arson, or war time situations. These are simply not comparable.
In any case it was/is terrible. I'm not a gun control advocate, but easy access for everyone and anyone  to military style weapons has to be stopped.
There is no reason why shooting clubs and true licensed collectors can't have them, but there has just got to be better control, somehow, within the gun world to stop this. Change the laws so the seller could also be charged. Ask gun owners what could be done. They might have good ideas.
It will never be perfect, but something has to be done....and banning an entire culture isn't it.

Air bags blow up every day, the government forces us to have them.We don't outlaw them.Wether you are blowed up with a pressure cooker or shot with a gun you're just as dead or maimed.No one gets out of this life alive.We need to outlaw crazy.And live like Jesus may return at any time or God might call us home.

"Change the law so the seller could also be charged"
Now that there is some brilliant liberal thinking. The dead bodies not quite cold and it all is about gun control. The killer passed a NICS at a gun dealer so if anyone is to blame it's the government for not having him on a no buy list. Then there's the ol "military style weapon"---what ever that means. The M-16 is an assault weapon because it has a selector switch where it can be shot semi-automatic or fully automatic, the AR-15 doesn't therefore it is not an assault weapon---it only looks like the dreaded assault rifle. All this talk about banning the AR-15 right now is a joke. The killer in Orlando didn't use an AR-15. He used a Sig Sauer MCX carbine ---but I guess it's black and shoots a .223 caliber bullet so it becomes a military style weapon. Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people and wounded another 680 with fertilizer and diesel fuel. Did anyone call for the owner  the Co-Op that sold the fertilizer or the gas station owner,  where he bought the diesel fuel, to be charged ? What about that arsonist that killed a lot of people in an apartment he set fire to. Should the 7-11 owner be charged for selling him a BIC lighter ?
Why should only shooting clubs and "true licensed collectors" (whatever that means ) be the only ones who can own a 'military style weapon"---which I guess to liberal thinking the AR-15 and SKS would fall into that category. The AR-15 just happens to be an excellent hunting rifle. Hell, while we are at is just as well ban the BB gun because Ralphie "almost" shot his eye out with his.

I know exactly what that nut was using. One smart dealer had already refused him because he wasn't comfortable with the man. Good move.
Again with the twisted logic. Unless you are going to make planters for flowers, the weapon he used has no other use except to kill, whether its humans or in your case other animals. Bics, diesel and fertilizer all have other ordinary uses that don't involve death, but could if some nut case chose to use them that way. In areas or cases where certain weapons are forbidden, yes, the seller should be charged. If it's a legal sale, then of course not.
I think you will soon be seeing the laws change regarding certain kinds of weapons. A great many people have had enough. Sadly for the nut case segment, there seems to be some sort of romantic notion that they will get their point across with a scary looking long gun. I'd love to make being "crazy" illegal. But how does one do that? What about the unstable PTSDs? I'm sure you must have some solutions...please share.
I know what my active Marine friend Pugs said, but you wouldn't like it.

Obviously you prefer central government power instead of individual liberty.

Government killing appears to be more suitable and legal to you than American liberty.

We saw the best thing yet on Facebook about this " the problem was not one man with a Gun, it was the people without one". I have had my Concealed Carry for years, as have my 2 Sons, and I we carry most of the time. Unfortunately we have IDIOTS in Charge in this once great Nation and their plan is to Disarm all, of US. Have a great day.

I'm afraid in this case, if they had all been armed they would have been accidentally shooting each other all over the place. As it is, I'm expecting to find out eventually that some of the victims were from "friendly" fire.   
As I have said many, many times, I'm not for control in general but, people have had enough. Twisted logic about using common objects to do harm doesn't help either. Obviously "they" don't ban cars and trucks, yet vehicles are involved in mountains of deaths every year.
I'm sure someone could use a tank to bring in the hay bales...but why?
If these particular type weapons are so useful in civilian life, why are the gun shops selling anything else? Why are the young military of today so willing to give them up and not replace them when they get home to stay? Have you noticed they aren't the ones advocating that we should become an armed society? Do they wear weapons wherever they go?   Nope.   
It's not the above board dealers and sellers that bother me, it's the unethical ones that will sell to any nut case with $. Yes, they should be held responsible in part, just as drivers who cause accidents are.
If bar folks can be held liable for a drunk that people can see shouldn't be driving, by extension couldn't that work for guns too? Think about it. Of course most people do have good sense about guns .other wise every bar would erupt into gunfire among drunks every weekend.(I know, I used to have to go get' em.Mostly beat to a pulp, but rarely shot.)
Do true accidents happen with Guns? Sure. We have a friend whose Mom was killed as she worked at a bar. A female patron had a gun in her purse. It went off, went through the purse, hit the bartender and killed her. Nobody went goofy and tried to have guns banned.
I have one long time friend who works at Miller's Gun shop and sadly another one, Tom Smith who had a gun shop near here and was murdered during a store robbery many years ago. He was always armed, but when 5 people from Philly storm the store, it didn't end well for Tom. .
Almost all our friends are hunters and most fish too. Guns and weapons are a topic of discussion quite commonly. The Constitutional issue rarely comes up. Sanity often does. They don't feel the need to carry all the time. They judge what they will be doing and where and decide from that.
Do we have guns? Of course. At least a dozen locked in the gun safe. Some to use, some are investment pieces. I still shoot best with my favorite 38 special.
When I was teaching at the fire stations in the roughest part of Wilmington, they would have me park in the fire station, so I didn't have to carry to be safe parking out on the street somewhere.
I think it will be quite awhile before all is known about the Orlando  incident. In the mean time, one more time, between the victims and their friends, families, and all the responders, and hospital workers, a lot of lives have been touched by a horrible event. Again.

 
You seem to believe that your security is in the socialist government system rather than the Founders' system of individual liberty. 

Red, your needle is stuck again. Nut cases killing people, especially groups of people, no matter who they are, couldn't care less who is in the Government seat.
Just because you say something doesn't make it true either.  People's opinions are not always accurate.
If a person's individual liberty is being abused, let's look at who that person is. Gay, straight? Black, white, oriental?  Mixed? Mentally disabled or just spoiled because they don't get their way all the time?  Aren't labels great excuses?
It depends on which side of the issues you are looking at. With this Orlando mess, it is true that a great number of people, including those in the media, don't know a bean shooter from a machine gun. But that doesn't make their concerns and opinions invalid. Lack of knowledge  of details doesn't change what that Bozo did or why.
It turns out, now that the investigations are on going, he was a bad piece of work all along. But his individual rights protected him to the point of allowing him to continue down a terrible path until it was too late.
Ok...what do you want the Gov't to do about it?  Nothing? We become an armed society? That won't stop killers from killing. Anyone who thinks all shooting incidents are like the home owner stopping a burglar are sadly mistaken.
In many big cities, gang warfare is rampant. Innocent people are killed too. Is that acceptable just because it happens where you are not? You can try to put words in my mouth  and try to read my mind, but that won't make you remotely correct I believe in rights for ALL!  and that means compromise.
   Of course the President isn't going to take all your guns away. Why would he? But someone has to try to do something about the mass murder weapons that are so "fashionable" right now. I don't think either Presidential candidate has an easy fix. Trumpf has no interest in the Constitution or even military history as far as I can see.
Now see what your one inaccurate statement unleashed? I have a breakfast meeting to go to. Don't let your brain melt.

All the mass shootings are in gun free zones.How do you change that?

Deb, I wish I knew. If I could figure that out, I'd have more money than the Donald!
One good start would be for the various agencies involved to stop being so closed door and communicate with each other more effectively. Concerned people have shared their worries about "strange" people only to have them pushed aside because agencies are so swamped.
There was one bad one years ago not far from here. A worried mother tried for years to get help for her daughter to the point of wanting her locked up because her mental state was dangerous. But,because the daughter had rights, nobody would touch it. She couldn't be made to take her meds. Finally, she dressed up as a soldier (Halloween) and walked into a big shopping mall in PA. with a military style weapon and opened fire on a bunch of shoppers. She killed and injured a number before she was finally stopped. I never did hear how she got the weapon. I remember seeing the tearful mother being interviewed on TV. She was terribly guilty on the one hand and spitting mad on the other because she had tried so hard to find a solution.

Diane, you're against the principle of gun ownership in America and a lot of other American liberties too.

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What about the unstable PTSDs?

I would say there are many symptoms of having PTSD and most would not disqualify someone from owning a gun. Say for instance, that person  is a firefighter that found charred bodies of children in a house fire and has nightmares from it and given the diagnosis of PTSD---why should they be denied a right to own a gun ? I don't think they should----but what if that same firefighter got a thrill from seeing dead bodies and starts having homicidal thoughts and has an urge to become an arsonist just for the sake of creating more dead people or even think about shooting people to up the ante ---then by all means  they should not own a gun.
One of the many symptoms of suffering from PTSD is being "delusional "---you know---maybe someone who sits behind a computer and creates a fictitious life bragging about stuff they never did---should they be allowed to own a gun ?

Sorry Red, ya don't speak for me.
Jar, I hope you weren't using me as an example. I've never, ever written about anything I never did. It 's not my fault if you can't handle it. I don't know why my very existence bothers you. Around here I am not unique at all. I was in 1969, but I opened that door for women here long ago and it has been open ever since.
My fire company, as do most others, have debriefings and mandatory counseling for people who experience the kind of visual trauma you described. (They also have an in depth interview process and background check before they are accepted for probationary membership. Some don't make it as they don't seem  emotionally stable enough for the things we see and do.) 
Terrible events do happen.There is a whole list of events that would trigger counseling. Death of a fellow fire fighter on scene, death of a child, suicides and many others. The day of "If ya can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen" are long gone. Sadly, we had a couple of suicides years ago.
There are sometimes young ones who don't think they are getting enough action and do become arsonists. Usually empty buildings and such. They always get caught.
Except for our LEOs, we have a no gun policy in the stations. One yahoo was determined to wear his and showed off once too often and got kicked out. He also challenged the no gun rule at City Hall and got in big trouble over that too.
Personally, I think a PTSD diagnosis doesn't necessarily connect with guns either, it would depend on the person and the situation. A professional would have to decide that one. I know you had to have seen American Sniper. An example?
Try to have a nice day.

Diane, you're toying with ideas to take Americans' guns.  You're thinking along the same lines as the old Soviets, not the founders of the Federal republic.

And you are full of it.You don't know me or anything much about me except what I share...and you don't believe that. Fortunately, I don't care.

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Jar, I hope you weren't using me as an example. I've never, ever written about anything I never did. It 's not my fault if you can't handle it. I don't know why my very existence bothers you. Around here I am not unique at all. I was in 1969, but I opened that door for women here long ago and it has been open ever since.

What the hell are you rambling on about woman ? I know you want, and think, everything is about you but it isn't. You act like you are feeling guilty about something.

From Diane :
Sadly for the nut case segment, there seems to be some sort of romantic notion that they will get their point across with a scary looking long gun

You told us you have a 12 gauge shotgun which just happens to be a long gun. What point are you trying to make by owning that scary looking gun ? I won't even touch on you labeling yourself as "the nut case segment "
You talk about certain weapons their only use is to shoot people and kill animals. I think you have forgot about personal defense. There are still lots of people in Elk county who do shoot animals not only because we like to hunt but we like to eat wild game. You like to portray yourself of being "one of us" and that, you are not----and please spare us with your tales of stepping out your back door and going hunting to put wild game on the supper table.

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If these particular type weapons are so useful in civilian life, why are the gun shops selling anything else? Why are the young military of today so willing to give them up and not replace them when they get home to stay? Have you noticed they aren't the ones advocating that we should become an armed society? Do they wear weapons wherever they go?   Nope.

Your first question really doesn't deserve an answer but I will say maybe---just maybe---a person doesn't want to shoot a rabbit with a SKS. That 7.62 round destroys too much meat and maybe they prefer a .22 to do the job ---but would like that SKS to shoot a deer.
The young military of today HAVE to give up their assault weapons when they come home to stay or face federal charges (there's that ol selector switch thing you like to ignore )
Do they wear that weapon wherever they go? I doubt they wear it where it can be seen but maybe you should shake them down to see if that little .380 in their pocket is just for a counter balance for the car keys in the opposite pocket. I would venture to say I am in contact with a shit load of more vets than you are and I would conservatively guess that 99 % of them "pack heat" and if they aint packing, there is one not very far away from arms reach. I guess ol Pugs is one of them one per centers you libs are always screaming about !!

Yep, I have no doubt you hang out with the old fogey brigade. So what. This isn't a contest.( Are they as afraid of you as you are of them?) You stay out there and protect yourself from those scary Kansans. ;D ;D ;D
Nope, none of this is about me. It's about very strange people who need to be prepared in case their own shadow attacks them.
  I have many "old" vet friends too. We are all of the old draft age group. As I said, they didn't, and the young ones coming home now, don't feel spooky around the average people around here or feel the need to run out and buy combat/military weapons as soon as they get home, as I already said!
I can't figure out what you are so afraid of. If you really think you need personal defense from the local doves and deer...Well....And your own neighbors and their children? What kind of crazy place do you really live in? Has Elk county been taken over by gangs?;D ;D
The female deer that drop the little ones off in my flower bed while they eat...Cute, but a pain.  But in town here, no shooting. Fortunately I have plenty of friends who love to hunt and fish and give us more fish and game than we can eat.
Delaware is overloaded with deer.They are hunted to keep the herds healthy, even in the state parks.
You seem to think I live in a huge city like Philadelphia. Not so. We are well surrounded by country and huntin' opportunity. We don't have to hunt each other.  You should go back and try to comprehend what I really wrote.  :-*
You want to sit around with your friends and pretend you are still at war, have at it. Wanna show off yer shooters? Sure thing. Have fun and don't shoot yerself by accident.

What is wrong with me to have started a conversation with you? I must be loosing my mind. All I have done is given you an excuse to go off on rants where you don't know horse shit from hog jowls. You still don't get it that's there's a difference between civilian guns and military weapons. So sad for one who thinks they are so brilliant. I am also aware you use the political threads to talk about things that should go in your "east coast happening". I'll try to help you out and move them for you when the urge hits me. You are welcome !!!

Sorry, I don't do rants,and don't scream. I just occasionally write long posts. You are selling me short. Do you think Teresa's interest and knowledge of guns is just a joke? I certainly hope not.
Yes, of course I know the difference between military and combat weapons and ordinary hunting guns.  DUH.  What makes you think that I don't?
Yes, of course I know the military weapons don't come home with the men/women when they are discharged. That was my point. They don't run right out and get new ones. Besides, they are expensive.
Oh, I'm supposed to ask you that if "small population" Elk county is so dangerous that you are carrying all the time, in spite of knowing most everyone out there, what kind of body armor do you wear every day? If you are carrying but not wearing, you are doing only half the job.  Or so I was told.  ;D  Maybe the body armor would be enough deterrent to cause any potential trouble makers to think again. Anyway, why do you think everyday Kansas is so dangerous? See? Problem solved. No need to carry, just wear external body armor all the time. People would probably cross the street rather than interact with someone like that.
  If ya don't fire a weapon, ya can't hit an innocent person, as happens here on the streets of the rough side of Wilmington on a regular basis.There is a shooting there 'most every night. Wise people just don't go there.
I'm just funnin' with ya, you do know that don't you? Why so serious. After all these years it doesn't matter. You don't have a clue as to my past,my training or why.You just know the firefighter/ EMT part and so it shall stay. 8)
I suppose I could have put my little post about the fawns on my thread but I'd hardly lose any sleep over it. Hope you are having a nice Kansas day.

Disarming Law Abiding American Citizens nor Gun Control will not stop someone or some group from committing Murder or Mass Murder.


What Gun Control would do is undermine what our founding fathers built to protect this great nation from tyranny.

It will undermine the great Constitution of the United States of America. Not just the Second Amendment but the whole Constitution.
                                        Plain and Simple.

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

"You are selling me short. Do you think Teresa's interest and knowledge of guns is just a joke? I certainly hope not."

What the hell does that have to do with anything talked about here ? Do you just write stuff like that so you can be the queen of the longest ramblings---I mean posts ?

"Yes, of course I know the difference between military and combat weapons and ordinary hunting guns.  DUH.  What makes you think that I don't?"

It is pretty evident that you don't know the difference. Just read what you wrote next---"the military personnel don't get to bring their weapons home and DO NOT go out and buy new ones when they get home". I'll let you in on a little secret---it's because they CAN'T buy military weapons. There's that ol fully automatic thing again. Jeez !!!

"Oh, I'm supposed to ask you that if "small population" Elk county is so dangerous that you are carrying all the time, in spite of knowing most everyone out there, what kind of body armor do you wear every day? If you are carrying but not wearing, you are doing only half the job.  Or so I was told"

I said most of the vets I know pack heat all the time. I never once said I did so those voices you hear in your head are wrong again.

"You don't have a clue as to my past,my training or why.You just know the firefighter/ EMT part and so it shall stay"

Oh boy---Wonder Woman is about to break her code of silence---were you FBI---CIA--- a special agent with customs ? Are your exploits still highly classified secrets ? Were you with Hillary when she took sniper fire on the runway ? Naw, I'll bet you were with Brian Williams. Please,oh please tell us about all the black OP's you participated in !!!!

I won't share and you wouldn't believe me anyway....Thank goodness.   Certain kinds of successes depended on people like you, who didn't believe any of it.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  "black Ops?"...You forget how old I am.
Oh, any kind of weapon anyone wants, with the price that is, can be had in Wilmington. Notice I didn't mention legally.
  By the way, you do know I'm just teasing ya don't ya? You get exasperated so easily.  :-*
I did get asked about your body armor though. We have some "wanna bes" around this area who flaunt themselves looking for attention. They are so disappointed when they don't get it. Don't worry, I know you are too old to be one of them. The real deals are very quiet and don't talk much except among themselves.
I did know one weirdo at one time though. He had Marine stuff all over and told tons of stories, none of which were true. He finally ate his gun and the truth all came out. He was never in the military of any kind.
I am starting to lose my best sources though. They are all starting to retire. One is a neat pair of State Trooper twins. One in Homicide and the other was in charge of the Aviation Unit. Speaking of weapons...they come across everything, which eventually has to be burned.
So believe what you wish, it doesn't matter a twit to me. I know exactly who I am and the rest doesn't matter. Have a nice day.

But, but, but, I'm told the AR15 isn't a mass destruction weapon, so who cares? ;D More twisted logic.The Enola Gay wasn't a colonial paper airplane either. Strange comparisons. 8)

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But, but, but, I'm told the AR15 isn't a mass destruction weapon, so who cares?

Who told you the AR-15 can't be used as a "mass destruction weapon " ? Hells bells, even a machete can be used as a mass destruction weapon---a bolt action single shot .22 can too---and I suppose a super duper beenie flipper can fit into that category. What you keep repeatedly saying is the AR-15 is a combat—military---assault weapon---and that simply is not true. You talk about twisted logic !!!!

It seems everybody has an opinion in the papers and on TV as to what a weapon of mass destruction is. It isn't my logic at all. After awhile it gets to be funny listening to all these "experts" chime in.
Personally, I don't care. I have my friends who know all about weapons and as I have said before, if I wasn't sure, they can tell me.  I have no need to have a weapon that can be set to fire multiple rounds, of any number, at one pull. I know what we own and why and that's good enough . (Remember I was trained many years ago by professionals.) I'm totally old and out of practice now. I think my little 30/30 could do a pretty good job if need be.
I don't really care what weapon you have or want. ( Ya want a zip gun?) Don't get yerself all lathered, or someone will have to walk ya down and cool ya off. HA!
Actually, we are having a problem in Wilmington with the first responders getting shot at. I may need that body armor yet. We had a notice from our chief.

It looks like that you want the government to take the peoples' guns no matter the  definition. 

You do care that the government be armed and that we be left defenseless.

You are so full of it. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny. You have been at it for years how President O. was going to take away your guns, Well? I don't think he cares a hoot about your guns, and if he does, he better hurry.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 02, 2016, 10:05:11 AM
(Remember I was trained many years ago by professionals.)

Monkey's, horses, dogs and even cats can be trained.

Most people i now want to be educated.

No wonder you only made it as a teacher for 2 years.

Remember the Opposition Petition that you call a worthless piece of paper?
The legal document worked, because I educated myself on the law and how to write it.

But, it is no over, because i doubt the School Board educated itself as to why it happened.
Another such move by then is anticipated. The School Superintendent told me it takes years
to train a board member and I don't believe he has them totally trained yet.

Really if he thinks these supposed educated people need anything from him, he should realize it is not training,
but educated about the job they asked for.

Remember firefighting training, that included education in the classroom and training in the field with various equipment.  I've been there numerous times, in the class room and in the field. A person can be trained to hold a fire hose nozzle and where to aim the stream but with out the classroom education it is not near as effective.

Two years? That is an out and out lie.  You couldn't possibly know. What is wrong with you?  Why are you posting lies about me? Perhaps the Sheriff should know. I feel like I'm being stalked.
By the way, I was talking about learning to shoot, ya nitwit! You are all over the place. I wasn't talking to you anyway, but I will now. (Or is it I was talking about learning to shoot ya, nitwit.) See, punctuation does matter! ;D ;D ;D ;D.
Speaking of education....How about your own? It's much too late for you, but I understand your son is a pretty good kid, in spite of having you hanging around his neck. I'll credit his mother.  I don't see his name on the honor roll though. It's been fun seeing the Kansas kids I know, or know of, graduate and take the next steps in their lives
(Guess you couldn't find a job, so you have to take it out on somebody.) I think I should talk to a lawyer. Or perhaps I'll just post your address and phone for all to enjoy.
  Many think you are a mental case. Lay off!  I can just imagine the craziness you told people to get them to sign your petition. (And he is SOOOO humble and sweet to little old ladies.)
I wonder what it will cost the Elk County taxpayers to deal with the results of that petition?  Can't you find something less controversial to do to keep yourself in the spotlight??
Don't worry Frank, I won't let him in my forum life again. He is truly nutz! I'm sick of him too.
I didn't let him stop me from donating to the fireworks again either, as I have for the last 9 years. Not a lot, but consistent. Ok, now you and Red can have it back all to yourselves. Over and 'way out.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 03, 2016, 01:18:47 PM
Two years? That is an out and out lie.  True slander. You couldn't possibly know. What is wrong with you?  Why are you posting lies about me? Perhaps the Sheriff should know.
I was talking about learning to shoot, ya nitwit! You are all over the place. I wasn't talking to you anyway, but I will now.
(Guess you couldn't find a job, so you have to take it out on somebody.) I think I should talk to a lawyer. Or perhaps I'll just post your address and phone for all to enjoy.
  Many think you are a mental case. Lay off!  I can just imagine the craziness you told people to get them to sign your petition. (And he is SOOOO humble and sweet to little old ladies.)
I wonder what it will cost the Elk county taxpayers to deal with the results of that petition? Tain't free. Can't you find something less controversial to do?
Don't worry Frank, I won't let him in my life again. He is truly nutz!

You are so dimwitted.
People know be better than to be a liar!
Oh, to you the believer of all that is involved in organizations,  it's controlversail to stand against the wrong doing of government.

You are really loosing it, lady.

If you knew anything about Elk County, Kansas and West Elk School District I might be concerned with you mumbo-jumbo.  On second thought, no I wouldn't.

Every error in your life is some one else's fault, you are the perpetual victim. How sad.

Education does not equal Intelligence.

I hope you have a Happy 4th of July.
Stay safe and let someone else light the fireworks. Then you can't blame them if you burn your fingers.

Quote from Diane:
Two years? That is an out and out lie.  You couldn't possibly know. What is wrong with you?  Why are you posting lies about me? Perhaps the Sheriff should know. I feel like I'm being stalked.

Diane,
I hate to intrude into yours and Ross's love fest but I wonder if ol Ross came up with that number of two years of teaching for you from what you told us several years back. You said you started teaching in 1966 then found out you had a chalk dust allergy so had to quit and started "riding " in the ambulance in 1969. That silly ol Ross needs to dust up on his math. If I figure right you taught for possibly three years. Am I right or do I need to go sit in the corner with Ross ?

Diane give it up, you are in a LOSE LOSE SITUATION. Who cares anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go sit in the corner with Ross. I started teaching in 1966.The ambulance was nights and weekends part time. Started in '69. Had July and part of August off school, so I could take daytime runs  (volunteer) with an occasional professional paid call with a private ambulance service. I did not stop teaching and start riding as a volunteer EMT instead! I taught for 40 years, not two. I also took graduate courses, but didn't quite finish my master's.
I fought the chalk allergy for years before my Doc said I had to give it up. My classroom was cleaned thoroughly and no chalk was used in there. Actually it worked out pretty well, as it was a portable classroom with air conditioning. I used chart paper taped to the chalk boards and walls and used markers instead of chalk.  I wore a ''bracelet" of masking tape on my wrist. ;D  Sadly, there was nothing I could do for airborne chalk dust in the rest of the building and eventually my doc asked me it there wasn't something I could do with my education beside classroom teaching.
I was asked and started teaching at the State Fire School in Dover,(in 1974,) also part time evenings and weekends. (All dry markers on white boards, no chalk.) Eventually they had enough work for me to go with them full time/part time, which also meant going back into schools as a resource teacher for fire safety... back to chalk dust for a few schools. Of course that's the busiest during the fall months. Sometimes I worked school hours and then taught from 7 to10 ( EMT)  at night on the same day. I even taught industrial night shift classes that started at 11 Pm. I was the only instructor willing to do that live. Night shifts were usually stuck with boring tapes and no way to ask questions.
Most schools had already started using white boards and markers. I found if I was in a "chalk school" four days in a row, my problems started to return.(asthma and severe bronchitis)
Fortunately the trend was quickly going to overheads, white boards, smart boards and computer programs, (power point, tapes, discs, etc.) No more chalk, no more problems. I finally "retired" from teaching as such in 2006, but still do a few public speaking events, summer camps and such from my fire company. Between teaching through the State Fire School, (First Responder) for the police academies ,the fire academies,  (Wilmington) DenRec and others, I got to know most everybody...easy to do in a small state. I also did many, many safety meetings for duPont, ICI, CibaGige and the other big industries here... I taught both emergency care and fire safety subjects including evacuations, both industrial, nursing homes and hospitals, and rescue skills (lifts, loads and carries) and fire extinguishers .One of my favorites was teaching fire extinguishers for the "cafeteria ladies" from all the public schools in Delaware.They liked having a female instructor. ;) Actually there was lots more, and yes, Al and I continued to take Friday night ambulance duty and picked up weekend and holiday runs all those years also, not to mention involvement with the firefighting side of it all....so I was teaching from 1966-2006. (Al also taught part time EMT courses from 1968-2006)
Yes, I could have returned back to "one classroom) public school teaching, but I was having too much fun. Plus, we were acting as the 'go to guys' (project managers) building Charter Schools one at a time. Al and I did four of those, plus some expansions. I met with the teachers to collaborate on room designs. We also built two fire stations, an expansion and a building for a shooting club. Sadly, Al's health doesn't allow  for that any more and mine isn't the best, so Boyd Services is out of business now.
At 71 and a half, like most people that age, I'm enjoying being retired and not quite so busy.I worked my butt off for 40 years and that's plenty.
Now call me a liar if you wish.There is still more I could share, but why? I'll be called a liar anyway, not that my life depends on what any of you think.
I've got good Kansas blood lines from both sides, so I'm of tough pioneer stock, but would prefer the company of gentle, polite people who treat each other with respect.
But, if need be, I can bite and scratch with the worst of them :P ...I've used up all my quarters...gone for now. Enjoy the holiday.
You can wake up now. Remember, you asked for it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry Frank. I'll answer this because it's Jar who asked.Then I'll leave again. I just don't like being called a liar when I'm  not.

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You sure are touchie and sensitive, but it was you that mentioned the two years some time back.
Must be that Liberal Streak and your rambling that confuse you. B

Quote from: frawin on July 04, 2016, 10:09:22 AM
Diane give it up, you are in a LOSE LOSE SITUATION. Who cares anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea Diane like he said, " Who cares anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " ! LOL

I was asked by Jar and so I answered. I am not the touchy one, nor do I always have to have the last word. Again you are calling me a liar. Perhaps you just misunderstood something I said...Or are you a real Dipshidiot!
You don't like my posts, don't read them.
Who cares? I do. I am not a liar.
I don't know why it would be so surprising that I have led a busy life doing many things...typical Kansas blood lines. Many different things happening, multiple things going on to make $. My family ( both sides) always had multiple things that they were doing. I won't bore you, or Frank with what they did.
Off now so Frank doesn't blow a gasket. It would seem to be on the wrong thread at this point anyway.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 05, 2016, 09:38:22 AM
I was asked by Jar and so I answered. I am not the touchy one, nor do I always have to have the last word. Again you are calling me a liar. Perhaps you just misunderstood something I said...Or are you a real Dipshidiot!
You don't like my posts, don't read them.
Who cares? I do. I am not a liar.
I don't know why it would be so surprising that I have led a busy life doing many things...typical Kansas blood lines. Many different things happening, multiple things going on to make $. My family ( both sides) always had multiple things that they were doing. I won't bore you, or Frank with what they did.
Off now so Frank doesn't blow a gasket. It would seem to be on the wrong thread at this point anyway.

Well, well such a nast mouth on you. Goodness me!

It was your friend Frank is that his name"  That said and I quote:

Quote from: frawin on July 04, 2016, 10:09:22 AM
Who cares anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just agreed with him, I don't think any body really cares about your past and denials and self pity
as always the victim.

But I understand every thread on the forum is all about Diane!
And I understand how important that is too you!

Relax for awhile and enjoy life.

Bye-Bye !