Elk County Forum

I see in the paper this morning that at the March 14, 2016, county commissioners meeting someone questioned Commissioner Kaminska if she was authorized by the commissioners to solicit free public funds to communities. Kaminska said she is the commissioner in her district and attended the Elk Falls and Longton City Council meetings to inquire about the needs of the cities within her district as the commissioners were considering making a distribution of a portion of the wind farm money to the cities for infrastructural needs.

Commissioner Liebau moved and Commissioner Kaminska seconded the motion to allocate $100,000 of the Wind Farm PILOT money to the five incorporated cities within the county, apportioned by the 2010 population census, with the goal of improving infrastructure. Motion carried 2-1 with Commissioner Hebb opposed.

Sounds like a fair deal for all involved.


That is a nice looking new patch the Elk County sheriff's office adopted.

Quote from: W. Gray on March 30, 2016, 10:30:21 AM
I see in the paper this morning that at the March 14, 2016, county commissioners meeting someone questioned Commissioner Kaminska if she was authorized by the commissioners to solicit free public funds to communities. Kaminska said she is the commissioner in her district and attended the Elk Falls and Longton City Council meetings to inquire about the needs of the cities within her district as the commissioners were considering making a distribution of a portion of the wind farm money to the cities for infrastructural needs.

Commissioner Liebau moved and Commissioner Kaminska seconded the motion to allocate $100,000 of the Wind Farm PILOT money to the five incorporated cities within the county, apportioned by the 2010 population census, with the goal of improving infrastructure. Motion carried 2-1 with Commissioner Hebb opposed.

Sounds like a fair deal for all involved.


That is a nice looking new patch the Elk County sheriff's office adopted.

It was I, who asked Kon nected Kommissioner Kaminska what authority she had running around soliciting people to accept free taxpayer dollars.

This in my opinion is being done on the behalf of Elk Kon nected or as Elk Kon nected alluded to in their on line letter the "Old Guard".

I also asked Kon nected Kommissioner Kaminska what Mayor or City Council person had come before the County Commissioners during open meeting requesting free money or asking for Welfare. Her response was, "NONE".

So she went to their City Council Business Meetings and solicited recipients of free money. Her business as a County Commissioner should be handled at Open County Commissioners Business Meetings. Which was not done. Making her activity very questionable and unethical in my opinion.

It was I, who asked if the Elk County Court House is to be  the Elk County Welfare Office.

Kon nected Kommissioner Kaminska refers to the PILOT money as Wind Farm money which is totally wrong. It is not Wind Farm Money, no more that the property taxes you pay into the County Coffers are referred to as W. Gray money! My property tax dollars are not referred to as Ross Money. It is all taxpayer dollars held in our County Coffers for use to tend to County Government Business. Not City business. As one of the Commissioners said at an open meeting they already subsidize the communities plenty.

But i guess when it comes to WELFARE it is never enough, is it?

You may think it is fair to give $100,000 of taxpayers money away, but i sure do not! If the county does not need money then stop taxing the property owners.

By giving away taxpayer dollars instead of returning it to the property owners is just wrong. It is socialism and is definitely not being conservative.

There are elderly people in this county that have to do without to pay their property taxes, but I don't suppose that is of any interest to you.

Also if you give some thought to who this money is being given to you might think differently about the Welfare.

The communities apparently have poor leadership and do not budget for taking care of their communities or they would not require Welfare. And after receiving Welfare will they continue on the same path of poor management? Most Welfare recipients never get off welfare, they just want more.

And that is what I suppose the Automatic Aid Resolution is all about. Year after year after year of Welfare, for selected taxpayers. Take from Peter and give to Paul what is fair about that? Bernie Sanders would love you!

Perhaps you would understand If you had read my posting at:

Quote from: ROSS on March 15, 2016, 08:20:40 PM

on the "Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25 thread".

Had you read that you would know that Kon nected Kommissioner Kaminska stated that Elk County is predicted to lose 30 or 35% of it's population over the years and that will make it very difficult to maintain the county properly. That is in it's self the best reason to save that money and invest it instead of giving it away.

Kon nected Kommissioner Kaminska and Liebau are doing is nothing more than Socialism.

It is a fair and equitable distribution.

But, if I could be wrong, the voters of Elk County will take care of the situation.

First thing they would do would be to jam the next Elk County commissioners meeting and let the commissioners know they definitely do not like this idea. Those that cannot attend will undoubtedly swamp their elected commissioner with phone calls letting him or her know that this effort is so unfair.

If that does not work, there is always the election. Those voters in districts other than Mr. Hebb's who are so upset with this distribution, and if they are in the majority, will vote the commissioners supporting this effort out of office.

Perhaps you could run for county commissioner, again. If the majority of the voters in your district agree with your ideas and thoughts, you would definitely get elected.

Waldo, why would the residents that live in those Towns not be happy about the Distribution. It seems to be a good thing. There are more Taxpayers in those Towns than all of the Voters that live outside the Towns. As a Former Landowner in Elk County and one that is looking at Buying some more Land, I think it is a good thing. Well each to his own I always say.

I agree Frank. It is a fair and equitable idea whether it is a one time distribution or a continuing effort. 

Quote from: W. Gray on March 30, 2016, 07:28:02 PM
It is a fair and equitable distribution.

You sure are entitled to your opinion, that's for sure.

My opinion is, it is Social Welfare that was improperly solicited by a Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner. That money has been sought after by the Kon nected Krowd since before the Wind Farm was built. And no thought given to saving and investing it for the operation of the County in the future. Even though a commissioner pointed out the projected decline in this county and how difficult it will be to maintain county operations.

A fair and equitable distribution of other peoples money is called Socialism, plain and simple.


Sure there are lot's of people happy to live on free money from welfare and why not? They don't have to work or plan or anything, just hold out their hand.

And because everyone pays property tax does not mean the communities with their own government and taxing entity have any special claim from the County Government. Those same people pay county property taxes for the same reasons I do. To support the County Government.

The number of people in the the communities plays no role in the County Government and it's operation.

There sure is a lot of confused thinking out there, just like with the Federal Government and President Obama. Obama thinks we owe the Islamic Muslims for developing our great nation. I bet you don't agree with that, do you?

It is all just excuses to confuse the limited responsibilities of elected officials and different government bodies. When they should stick to their own separate business and their own separate responsibilities. This is a nation wide problem.

I.E.: the federal government pushing Common Core on the various states educational responsibilities.

I've had my say and it is only common sense.

Good luck with your socialism, and good night.

It does not make any difference what I have to say about this distribution.

The fact that you believe it is an improper use of Elk County funds does not make any difference, either. 

It also does not make any difference about any lack of common sense or the socialistic aspect of the distribution.

It does not even make any difference whether Elk Konnected is or is not involved.

The important people who will decide if this distribution is unfair to the people of Elk County are the Elk County voters, themselves.

No more, no less.

If you strongly believe in what you are saying, you will probably direct your excitement toward those voters in an attempt to sway them in believing and supporting your ideas and your thoughts. If you are successful, you, along with the majority of the voters, will show the two wayward commissioners that they are dead wrong. Those who believed the distribution was fair and equitable would have to see the error of their thinking.

If you are unsuccessful, you can always bring a lawsuit against the elected officials of Elk County charging improper use of government funds.

Quote from: W. Gray on March 30, 2016, 09:49:55 PM

It also does not make any difference about any lack of common sense or the socialistic aspect of the distribution.

I concede !

It makes no difference !

Apparently there is no difference between right and wrong !

Apparently there is no difference between what is proper or improper !

Apparently there is really nothing to be concerned about, so I concede !

I wish you a mighty fine day !

Gray and Frawin have shown themselves to be in the Obama-Republican side for the socialist direction of America.  Distribution is a socialist government word.  We shouldn't be surprised about Waldo Gray or Frawin.
 
Well boys, "what difference does it make?"  You aren't going stand for American principles.




Frawin, tell us how conservative you are again.  You're of the Obama and Republican ilk.

Looks like two of the Elk County Commissioners are of the same ilk.

Ross, you're doing a good job.  Stay right in there.

REDCLIFFE YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OF CRAP. I AND MY FAMILY HAVE BEEN AND ARE TOTALLY CONSERVATIVE. I HAD FOR BROTHERS THAT FOUGHT FOR THIS ONCE GREAT NATION. YOU THINK YOU ARE SO DARN SMART, BUT YOU DO NOT KNOW A DARN THING ABOUT ME OR WALDO. WALDOS FAMILY ALSO FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. I HAVE NOT BEEN EVEN LOOKING AT YOUR POSTS BUT I NOTICED YOU HAD POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT THE WIND FARMS. YOU DO NOT EVEN LIVE IN ELK COUNTY. WHY DON'T YOU GO TELLS YOUR BS WHERE YOU LIVE. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY, EXCEPT I HOPE YOU HAVE A CRAPPY DAY.

Frawin, I read your posts and it's easy to see that you're a liberal.  No question about it.

Distribution is part of your vocabulary.

Quote from: frawin on March 31, 2016, 07:45:17 AM
REDCLIFFE YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OF CRAP. I AND MY FAMILY HAVE BEEN AND ARE TOTALLY CONSERVATIVE.

Where is the conservative on the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners giving County Money away?

Quote from: frawin on March 31, 2016, 07:45:17 AM
I HAD FOR BROTHERS THAT FOUGHT FOR THIS ONCE GREAT NATION.

Quote from: frawin on March 31, 2016, 07:45:17 AM
YOU THINK YOU ARE SO DARN SMART, BUT YOU DO NOT KNOW A DARN THING ABOUT ME OR WALDO. WALDOS FAMILY ALSO FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY.

Really ? What does that have to do with being conservative?
What branch did you serve in?
I served 10 years during Vietnam and was in 7 or 8 Vietnam Campaigns. How many did you serve in?

But that has nothing to do with being conservative does it.
Nor does it have anything to do with saving and investing taxpayers money versus giving it away Bernie Sanders Socialistic way, does it?

Quote from: frawin on March 31, 2016, 07:45:17 AM
I HAVE NOT BEEN EVEN LOOKING AT YOUR POSTS BUT I NOTICED YOU HAD POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT THE WIND FARMS. YOU DO NOT EVEN LIVE IN ELK COUNTY.

So are you going to tell Diane and the rest of your friends that post here, that they don't live here and should post where they live? How about them folks that own land but don't live here to post where they live.

Sure sounds like an angry Liberal having their say and their own way.
But who knows, I may be wrong !

Quote from: frawin on March 31, 2016, 07:45:17 AM
WHY DON'T YOU GO TELLS YOUR BS WHERE YOU LIVE.

Overly polite aren't you? LOL Just kidding !

Quote from: frawin on March 31, 2016, 07:45:17 AM
THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY, EXCEPT I HOPE YOU HAVE A CRAPPY DAY.

How sweet of you Frawin to take time from your busy day for such caring sentiments !

Frank,

We can ignore Redcliffsw, he is only whistling Dixie.

As for Ross, he does need to stick right in there. He needs to get organized, though. If my RAM is working okay today, he has at least seventeen followers that I can recall. He may have a point; the commissioners ought to at least consider lowering taxes in lieu of or in addition to making distributions. It is going to be up to him, though.

He needs to organize a meeting of his seventeen. He could get them together in his barn to save wear and tear on the other half or the house. He could even rent the Cox Building in Howard. It does not cost that much, but he has to remember to clean up afterwards.

He needs to tell those seventeen how bad Elk Konnected has swept through and ravaged Elk County and convince them of the evils of that organization and the corrupt decision making allowing this distribution. He needs to remind them of the group of Communists, headed by the son of a Russian major general, that used to live south of him. That will get their attention. Then he needs to send them out among the voters and spread the word, convert them to his way of thinking.

Come election time, he has a chance to turn Elk County around.

But, if he is not successful, who knows, the wayward commissioners might make the next distribution $101,000.

       You right,Waldo. Organized opposition is the correct way. It can be difficult to do, however. Informing all of the people of issues should be easy in these times of internet and social media, but it has been shown not to be the case, even in the presidential elections. Too much bad data can be put forth. Garbage in, garbage out as they say.

Quote from: W. Gray on March 31, 2016, 10:19:32 AM
Frank,

We can ignore Redcliffsw, he is only whistling Dixie.

You can also ignore Ethics and Principles and everything else as well. Because as you said it makes no difference.

Quote from: W. Gray on March 31, 2016, 10:19:32 AM
As for Ross, he does need to stick right in there. He needs to get organized, though. If my RAM is working okay today, he has at least seventeen followers that I can recall.

Is that all you folks recognize and understand?

Having organizations thinking for you is not a good thing, now is it?

N0, Ma'am Ross does not need to get organized as in an NGO like Elk Konnected, so do you really  think another such thing is needed in Elk County?

You have been shown in another thread how hateful and wrong they are in their practices.

And I'm sorry to inform you, I have no followers, that is a figment of your imgination. Also your RAM would in no way Know that, it is not one of its prescribed duties. It does have ethics! LOL

Quote from: W. Gray on March 31, 2016, 10:19:32 AM
He may have a point; the commissioners ought to at least consider lowering taxes in lieu of or in addition to making distributions. It is going to be up to him, though.

Oh, so now you want to talk about putting money in your wallet.
Well, it's not up to me!
It is up to the voters in this county and perhaps the voters will take you up on your advice and vote a
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner out of his position on the County Commissioners Board this fall.

But about those county property tax cuts, you have recieved a few County Property Tax cuts. 
But apparently not aware of them.
Read your property tax form you receive every year ---- it's all right there.
And observe the property tax hikes by West Elk USD-282 that sucked them right up and you never benefited from the County property tax cuts.

Mr. Moore West Elk School Superintendent informed every one that it cost $8,000 a year for each of the 38 kids he imported from another district. That was simply fudging the actual cost. West Elk USD-282  has the highest per student cost in the State of Kansas, making them Number 1 (one) in the State of Kansas.   

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Check the numbers at: http://kslegislature.org/li/b2015_16/committees/ctte_spc_2015_special_committee_on_k12_student_s_1/documents/testimony/20151110_04.pdf

Quote from: W. Gray on March 31, 2016, 10:19:32 AM
He needs to organize a meeting of his seventeen. He could get them together in his barn to save wear and tear on the other half or the house. He could even rent the Cox Building in Howard. It does not cost that much, but he has to remember to clean up afterwards.

He needs to tell those seventeen how bad Elk Konnected has swept through and ravaged Elk County and convince them of the evils of that organization and the corrupt decision making allowing this distribution. He needs to remind them of the group of Communists, headed by the son of a Russian major general, that used to live south of him. That will get their attention. Then he needs to send them out among the voters and spread the word, convert them to his way of thinking.

Come election time, he has a chance to turn Elk County around.

But, if he is not successful, who knows, the wayward commissioners might make the next distribution $101,000.

I don't have to do any such thing. 

By wayward Commissioners, I take it you are referring to Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Kaminska and Liebau !
Because I feel certain that County Commissioner Hebb is the only true conservative on the Board.

I do appreciate your having fun at what you think is my expense. Keep laughing all you desire, it is a free country and it is your right.

I served our country for ten years (+)  to support that right and I am happy to see you practicing it.

That right affords you the right to support Socialism and ignorance as well.

It gives you the right to say that nothing matters or that it makes no difference.

Ethics, principles and boundaries apparently don't matter either.


TTFN Enjoy your day !

There is no way you are going to get things changed merely by complaining to yourself about it.

You need to get your seventeen working and multiplying the support for you.

I haven't done a RAM check lately, but it seems to me that seventeen was the number of votes you received when you ran for county commissioner.

Get those seventeen to working for you to get out the vote and vote for your way of thinking. Convince the voters, both Democrat and Republican, you are right. Convince the people they have to rid Elk County of those wayward commissioners who are so negligent they are giving taxpayer money away.

Is there any other way?

Quote from: W. Gray on March 31, 2016, 12:31:51 PM
There is no way you are going to get things changed merely by complaining to yourself about it.

I'm not complaining I'm just explaining what you don't seem to comprehend.
It is an education in ethics, principles and honesty.
It also provides transparency that your elected officials don't want.

Quote from: W. Gray on March 31, 2016, 12:31:51 PM
You need to get your seventeen working and multiplying the support for you.
I haven't done a RAM check lately, but it seems to me that seventeen was the number of votes you received when you ran for county commissioner.

That is simply amazing ! You are amazing thinking your RAM knows something and that you can check it. Good Job !

I suppose,  I should feel proud that you think I have seventeen followers, especially since I claim to have none.

And I suppose, I should be proud that you think, I've got seventeen votes for county commissioner!!

Because that really is an amazing accomplishment!

Since, I have never been on any ballot ever for County Commissioner.

Don't you think that is an amazing accomplishment !

I bet you were one of them that voted for me. Thanks!

Thanks a lot, that means a great deal to me. You actually do vote, right ?

Quote from: W. Gray on March 31, 2016, 12:31:51 PM
Get those seventeen to working for you to get out the vote and vote for your way of thinking. Convince the voters, both Democrat and Republican, you are right.  Convince the people they have to rid Elk County of those wayward commissioners who are so negligent they are giving taxpayer money away.

You seem to have a real problem with ethics, principles and honesty!

But I sure am glad to hear you say, "wayward commissioners who are so negligent they are giving taxpayer money away.".  LOL

You keep repeating the lie about seventeen followers! Why is that? Is that the best you got?

Quote from: W. Gray on March 31, 2016, 12:31:51 PM
Is there any other way?

Sure there is this way! Providing information and educating the voters to the truth.

And providing honest facts. And having decent conversations.

And then let them decide for themselves. No NGO thinking for them and telling them how to vote!

You never addressed, doing anything smart like saving the money and investing it, and let it compound to be used at a later date to lower property taxes for everyone even further. Eventually the county might not need a property tax!

You also did not address the fact that stated that the county population is predicted to drop by 30 or 35% over the years and that it will make it very difficult to maintain County responsibilities.   
Why is that?         
Is it unfathomable to you?

Here is one of those facts about Elk County, have you bothered to verify any of it?
So you know the truth!

Quote from: ROSS on March 31, 2016, 11:26:17 AM
But about those county property tax cuts, you have recieved a few County Property Tax cuts. 

But apparently not aware of them.

Read your property tax form you receive every year ---- it's all right there.

And observe the property tax hikes by West Elk USD-282 that sucked them right up and you never benefited from the County property tax cuts.

Mr. Moore West Elk School Superintendent informed every one that it cost $8,000 a year for each of the 38 kids he imported from another district. That was simply fudging the actual cost. West Elk USD-282  has the highest per student cost in the State of Kansas, making them Number 1 (one) in the State of Kansas.   

A whopping $17,000 per student !

This is where your County Property tax cut went !

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I'd bet this school board members don't even realize this information.

Check the numbers at:
http://kslegislature.org/li/b2015_16/committees/ctte_spc_2015_special_committee_on_k12_student_s_1/documents/testimony/20151110_04.pdf

Does the truth matter even a little bit? Or  is another thing to you THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE?
Socialist think that way, don't ya know?
But it makes no difference, does it?

I'm enjying our little conversation and i sure hope you are too!

No, it does not matter what I say. It matters what the voters say.

I thought sure you filed to run for county commissioner. Are you saying that you did not?

You mentioned that you would provide information and educate voters to the truth. And you mentioned you were going to provide honest facts and have decent conversations with the voters. Then you want them to decide for themselves. Very good.

You also mention that you want to provide an education in ethics, principles, and honesty and you want to provide transparency that the elected officials don't want. Also very good.

Sounds like you are catching on.

When are you going to start with your program?

Quote from: W. Gray on March 31, 2016, 06:17:16 PM
No, it does not matter what I say. It matters what the voters say.

I thought sure you filed to run for county commissioner. Are you saying that you did not?

You mentioned that you would provide information and educate voters to the truth. And you mentioned you were going to provide honest facts and have decent conversations with the voters. Then you want them to decide for themselves. Very good.

You also mention that you want to provide an education in ethics, principles, and honesty and you want to provide transparency that the elected officials don't want. Also very good.

Sounds like you are catching on.

When are you going to start with your program?

How very cute of you !


Have you bothered to pull out your property tax bills from the county?
To check out you property tax cut from the county?
Did you see where West Elk USD-282 sucked up that tax cut?
Huh! Did you do that? Here si the information once again:

Quote from: ROSS on March 31, 2016, 11:26:17 AM
And observe the property tax hikes by West Elk USD-282 that sucked them right up and you never benefited from the County property tax cuts.

Mr. Moore West Elk School Superintendent informed every one that it cost $8,000 a year for each of the 38 kids he imported from another district. That was simply fudging the actual cost. West Elk USD-282  has the highest per student cost in the State of Kansas, making them Number 1 (one) in the State of Kansas.   

A whopping $17,000 per student !

This is where your County Property tax cut went !

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I'd bet this school board members don't even realize this information.

Check the numbers at: http://kslegislature.org/li/b2015_16/committees/ctte_spc_2015_special_committee_on_k12_student_s_1/documents/testimony/20151110_04.pdf

Have you checked out the previous fact about the expense of educating on chile at West Elk USD-282 ?
Did you click on the link and read the fact for yourself ?

If so then I think I have done a pretty good job of educating you !
And I think we have been having a conversation that may have accomplished something.
If you have not bothered to verify the information and facts I have provided that is no fault of mine.

But just the same, many other people have also received the elusive information.
And my only hope is that they verify the information and discuss it with their friends and family.
Especially the information about the cost of educating one child at West Elk USD-282.
The School lacks transparency and that is why I posted the information.

No, Once again I have no program !
No, I have no following !
No, I have no organization and have NO plans of having one !

Yes, I do believe the more facts and I mean honest facts the voters have the better voting they can do.

W. Gray, Thanks for being a willing participant in the conversation !

Oh yes, W. Gray what you have to say means a great deal. Yes, it sure does. What you post is of great importance ! And I thank you very much for posting.

I sincerely wish you a Good Morning and a great day.

Quote from: W. Gray on March 31, 2016, 10:19:32 AM
Frank,

We can ignore Redcliffsw, he is only whistling Dixie.

W. Gray:

That's right!  I'm whistling Dixie.

The USA has sent troops all over the world to fight socialism - communists and nazis.
There's nothing fair about socialism.  The least we can do here in America is to stand against socialism on the local and national levels.  It's good to see Patriiots like Ross trying to do something about it and I'm sure there are others in Elk County are concerned too.

Don't know if you're catching on - it's too early yet.  Hope you do and that you stand for the principles pf the Founders.

Red

Redcliff, look at my post yesterday, what I said is TOTALLY TRUE. Yet you say I am a Liberal I have NEVER VOTED ANYTHING BUT REUBLICAN AND FOR THE CONSEVATIVE CANDIDATE IN MY LIFE. I voted for Barry Goldwater, and I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED HE DID NOT WIN. AS WALDO SAID "WE CAN IGNORE YOU THAT YOU WERE ONLY WHISTLING DIXIE. I SAID IT YESTERDAY AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN ' YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OF CRAP'. YOU PROBABLY DO NOT OWN ANY PROPERT IN ELK COUNTY. REDCLIFFE DO ME A FAVOR AND STUFF YOUR HEAD UP YOUR REAR, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A DIFFERENT WORD FOR REAR BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE FORUM THAT IT WOULD OFFEND.

Quote from: ROSS on April 01, 2016, 06:29:06 AM

How very cute of you !


Have you bothered to pull out your property tax bills from the county?
To check out you property tax cut from the county?
Did you see where West Elk USD-282 sucked up that tax cut?
Huh! Did you do that? Here si the information once again:
Have you checked out the previous fact about the expense of educating on chile at West Elk USD-282 ?
Did you click on the link and read the fact for yourself ?

If so then I think I have done a pretty good job of educating you !
And I think we have been having a conversation that may have accomplished something.
If you have not bothered to verify the information and facts I have provided that is no fault of mine.

But just the same, many other people have also received the elusive information.
And my only hope is that they verify the information and discuss it with their friends and family.
Especially the information about the cost of educating one child at West Elk USD-282.
The School lacks transparency and that is why I posted the information.

No, Once again I have no program !
No, I have no following !
No, I have no organization and have NO plans of having one !

Yes, I do believe the more facts and I mean honest facts the voters have the better voting they can do.

W. Gray, Thanks for being a willing participant in the conversation !

Oh yes, W. Gray what you have to say means a great deal. Yes, it sure does. What you post is of great importance ! And I thank you very much for posting.

I sincerely wish you a Good Morning and a great day.

Just bear in mind that Elk County issues have nothing to do with me. Again, the Elk County voters are the decision makers.

If the voters of Elk County want a change because of any Elk Konnected influence or because of a $100,000 distribution to the five cities, or because taxes are too high, or the wrong people are in office, or for any other reason, they will make a change.

If the voters of Elk County want to keep the status quo, they will.

If you can stay positive and stay focused on the issues concerning any changes you feel are needed, you might be able to have some influence and help contribute to those changes.

Quote from: frawin on April 01, 2016, 08:28:35 AM
Redcliff, look at my post yesterday, what I said is TOTALLY TRUE. Yet you say I am a Liberal I have NEVER VOTED ANYTHING BUT REUBLICAN AND FOR THE CONSEVATIVE CANDIDATE IN MY LIFE. I voted for Barry Goldwater, and I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED HE DID NOT WIN. AS WALDO SAID "WE CAN IGNORE YOU THAT YOU WERE ONLY WHISTLING DIXIE. I SAID IT YESTERDAY AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN ' YOU ARE TOTALLY FULL OF CRAP'. YOU PROBABLY DO NOT OWN ANY PROPERT IN ELK COUNTY. REDCLIFFE DO ME A FAVOR AND STUFF YOUR HEAD UP YOUR REAR, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A DIFFERENT WORD FOR REAR BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE FORUM THAT IT WOULD OFFEND.

Wow! Would you look at that ?
Politically Correct in CAPITAL LETTERS !
AMAZING. Not able to say what he means because someone might be offended.
Uses Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four  "doublethink" to say the simple word "ass".
But any way it is said projects a picture in the minds eye and can be considered offensive by anyone.
Just plain rude no matter how you cot it.

What he is saying exactly Red is you can not base your opinion on what he posts. Censoring your free speech but permitting but  honoring his own. Just like a good liberal would !

Red we too can ignore him and such an attitude, if you know what I mean.
But hey Red, I don't always agree with your opinion and vice-versa.
But life goes on.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 01, 2016, 08:52:20 AM
Just bear in mind that Elk County issues have nothing to do with me. Again, the Elk County voters are the decision makers.

If the voters of Elk County want a change because of any Elk Konnected influence or because of a $100,000 distribution to the five cities, or because taxes are too high, or the wrong people are in office, or for any other reason, they will make a change.

If the voters of Elk County want to keep the status quo, they will.

If you can stay positive and stay focused on the issues concerning any changes you feel are needed, you might be able to have some influence and help contribute to those changes.

Well golly gee ! You have me very cornfused now !

Are you saying you don't live in Elk County ?

If not, I have still enjoyed visiting with you  !

You always have seemed "cornfused" to me.

I have always maintained that the Elk County voters were the decision makers and not me.

That won't change.

Neither will any real or imaginary county issues that are important to you.

Stay positive and stay focused on the issues and you could be of some value to the election processes in Elk County.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 01, 2016, 09:31:49 AM
You always have seemed "cornfused" to me.

I have always maintained that the Elk County voters were the decision makers and not me.

That won't change.

Neither will any real or imaginary county issues that are important to you.

Stay positive and stay focused on the issues and you could be of some value to the election processes in Elk County.

Why do you avoid the question?

Are you or are you not a citizen of Elk County ?

Are you ashamed or embarrassed to admit whether you are an Elk County Resident or not?

Or is it just your Liberal way of avoiding responsibility?

You do that well, avoiding responsibility by not responding to anything in any sensible fashion.

I think you have just been outed.

ROFLMAO

It has been fun even though nothing you say means anything,
but that is what makes your post very important.

I am so sorry Waldo, I understand.

I know, I understand, you are ashamed to admit you live in Howard.

Don't worry, I won't tell anyone,  if you don't.

I can understand why you don't want to accept any kind of responsibility.

So it's okay. OK!

I bet you are not even registered to vote in Elk County, because you say nothing matters.

An easy way to avoid responsibility.

So have a great and fun  un-responsible  day.

You are still more than a little "cornfused."

But, you are right in one respect, I am not a registered voter in Elk County, Kansas. I have never said I was.

A number of people on this forum know the area where I do live.

It should not be hard for you to find out either. My location has been posted on this forum thirty times since I came aboard in late 2005. The last time was within the past year.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 01, 2016, 11:59:26 AM
You are still more than a little "cornfused."

But, you are right in one respect, I am not a registered voter in Elk County, Kansas. I have never said I was.

A number of people on this forum know the area where I do live.

It should not be hard for you to find out either. My location has been posted on this forum thirty times since I came aboard in late 2005. The last time was within the past year.

Guess what ?

I don't care , i have been having fun with you any way!

But now I have grown bored with you.

Have a great life.

Bye-bye !

Here is a repeat of my post a couple days ago:

It is a fair and equitable distribution. [the $100,000 distribution from Elk County to the five incorporated cities]

But, if I could be wrong, the voters of Elk County will take care of the situation.

First thing they would do would be to jam the next Elk County commissioners meeting and let the commissioners know they definitely do not like this idea. Those that cannot attend will undoubtedly swamp their elected commissioner with phone calls letting him or her know that this effort is so unfair.

If that does not work, there is always the election. Those voters in districts other than Mr. Hebb's who are so upset with this distribution, and if they are in the majority, will vote the commissioners supporting this effort out of office.

Perhaps you could run for county commissioner, again. If the majority of the voters in your district agree with your ideas and thoughts, you would definitely get elected.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 01, 2016, 12:48:12 PM
Here is a repeat of my post a couple days ago:

It is a fair and equitable distribution. [the $100,000 distribution from Elk County to the five incorporated cities]

But, if I could be wrong, the voters of Elk County will take care of the situation.

First thing they would do would be to jam the next Elk County commissioners meeting and let the commissioners know they definitely do not like this idea. Those that cannot attend will undoubtedly swamp their elected commissioner with phone calls letting him or her know that this effort is so unfair.

If that does not work, there is always the election. Those voters in districts other than Mr. Hebb's who are so upset with this distribution, and if they are in the majority, will vote the commissioners supporting this effort out of office.

Perhaps you could run for county commissioner, again. If the majority of the voters in your district agree with your ideas and thoughts, you would definitely get elected.

I do appreciate and admire your perseverance, determination and attitude even if it is wrong and being a non-voter in Elk County, Kansas.

Quote from: ROSS on April 01, 2016, 04:26:32 PM
I do appreciate and admire your perseverance, determination and attitude even if it is wrong and being a non-voter in Elk County, Kansas.

There is no other outcome that can or will happen.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the canidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy--to be followed by a dictatorship."
― Alexander Fraser Tytler

Waldo, Frank and Bullwinkle.
My daughter and son-in-law were both in the Iraq. My daughter was a humv driver, my son-in-law was a heavy equipment operator. He pull jeeps and other equipment off people that had been hit by IED's. So to all of you, that have served. Thank you. With all of this being said. I have come to the thought that Ross and Redcliffsw are so obsessed with Elk connect and all the government crap, they can not look be on their nose's because they are right and everyone else is wrong. No matter what any of us say, they are going to come back with a bunch of crap on what they think is right and we are suppose to believe every word. Thanks our minds work just fine.

Well said Jane, I agree with you 100%. Hope this finds you and Rex doing great. Myrna said to send you a BIG HUG SO HERE IT IS HUG HUG  HUG.

Quote from: Jane on April 02, 2016, 03:45:36 PM
Waldo, Frank and Bullwinkle.

This is a public forum therefore anything you post with names or other wise is to the public.
So please don't tell me you were only addressing the above named people.
That is the purpose of private messaging.

Quote from: Jane on April 02, 2016, 03:45:36 PM
My daughter and son-in-law were both in the Iraq. My daughter was a humv driver, my son-in-law was a heavy equipment operator. He pull jeeps and other equipment off people that had been hit by IED's. So to all of you, that have served. Thank you.

Thank you Jane !
I served ten years and made eight campaigns in Vietnam.
I served another ten years as a civil servant with the Department of Defense.
But I just don't understand how that has anything to do with local politics.
But just the same thank you for the thank you.
With that being said, let's move to the meat of your message, shall we!

Quote from: Jane on April 02, 2016, 03:45:36 PM
Thank you. With all of this being said. I have come to the thought that Ross and Redcliffsw are so obsessed with Elk connect and all the government crap, 

You have the audacity to call me obsessed ?
Is that a spoiler that you have no knowledge of anything ?
Are you even aware that this thread is political?
The title is "Topic: Partial Distribution of Wind Farm Income" which involves the County Government and taxpayer money ! Government is very political --- this thread is also under the  categorized subject, "Politics" I hope you understand?

Do you even have any idea what you are talking about? What is, "Elk connect" you are talking about ?

Here is a fact there is no, "Elk connect", however there is an "Elk Konnected, LLC".

And do you have any idea of their connection to our local Governments ?
If so, please enlighten us as to what you think you know?

I refer to them as Elk Kon nected with the space between the two "n's" representing the real  dis-connected that I see.

Quote from: Jane on April 02, 2016, 03:45:36 PM
they can not look be on their nose's because they are right and everyone else is wrong.

The word is "beyond" not "be on" !

You liberal socialists, are the only one's saying, "they are right and everyone else is wrong. "
Because you can not carry on an intelligent conversation and have a hard time accepting facts.

Taking money through taxation from one person and just giving it away to another person is what Socialism allows for. And that is what is going to happen in the Elk County Court House unless they have already done so with out telling anyone.

For a County Commissioner to trot around to other Government Agencies saying I (and that means Kommected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminski) I have all kinds of free money to give to you, how much would you like to have? Is just plain wrong. She can talk all she wants about constituents, but that does not make it actions proper. The City Council Business Meetings are not constituents. And Elk County Business Meetings are where she is suppose to do County Business no where else for it to be proper County Business listed in the minutes of the meetings. Kaminski can make all the excuses she wants but they don't make her actions proper.

Quote from: Jane on April 02, 2016, 03:45:36 PM
No matter what any of us say, they are going to come back with a bunch of crap on what they think is right and we are suppose to believe every word. Thanks our minds work just fine.

Apparently facts and ethics and honesty and morals and freedom of speech are a bunch of crap to you. I feel so sorry for you.
These are the things our people serve in the military to protect! You may thank me again,
if you are sincere about veterans!    But it really isn't necessary
An example of your attempt to block free speech, is the way you started out this public in an attempt to hush me by typing, "Waldo, Frank and Bullwinkle".
It failed to work because of the freedom of speech and this being a public communication tool !
If you wish to have a private discussion there is Private Messaging or private e-mails or telephone or so many other ways to do that !

A reminder once the Wind Farm pays their P.I.L.O.T. money (which simply means they do not pay the full 130 mill tax on their property that everyone else does) once that money hit's the County Coffers it is no longer Wind Farm Money and that is a fact it becomes Elk County Government money just like every one else's money!

And there is no purpose for the County Government giving away tax money as if it is free money.
Unless they have decided to be socialists !

I truly apologize, because I understand how you will be offended by the facts and the truth !
And I will understand fully when you are unable to answer in a decent manner and address the question about your knowledge of Elk Connected !

I will also understand when you can not respond with any facts that are verifiable.

Quote from: frawin on April 02, 2016, 04:20:56 PM
Well said Jane, I agree with you 100%. Hope this finds you and Rex doing great. Myrna said to send you a BIG HUG SO HERE IT IS HUG HUG  HUG.

Really !         Really?
Well said !    Where?

I hope every is doing fine as well and enjoying this terrific evening.

Ross, that's what America is now.  Republicans and Obamites don't like what you have to say.

I guess you're well aware of that by now.

Stay right in there.

Ross, do you think you could calm down a bit and tell us what you really think about that $100,000 distribution to the incorporated cities?

Ross, it was directed to any one that had the brains to read it. I just knew those 3 would not be negative. Every one else on here is. And once again, you could not say anything with our talking about Elk Connect.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 03, 2016, 08:25:52 AM
Ross, do you think you could calm down a bit and tell us what you really think about that $100,000 distribution to the incorporated cities?

I don't need to calm down, if I were any caLmer I'd be dead !
And perhaps you would be happy?

But that would not help your comprehension, would it?

I think, I pretty well covered everything very plainly !

Would an abbreviated recap help?












Please read the Topic: Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25  (Read 328762 times) at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html .

Quote from: Jane on April 03, 2016, 08:34:17 AM
Ross, it was directed to any one that had the brains to read it.

I did not read this is directed at anyone.
But i suspected you would come back with a response like this if i explained this is an open forum directed at the public.

Quote from: Jane on April 03, 2016, 08:34:17 AM
I just knew those 3 would not be negative. Every one else on here is.

To call everyone else on here NEGATIVE is just plain rude and as negative as you claim everyone else is.
This also shows a lack of ability to converse intelligently.. This is also a terrible attempt to silence any one and every one that might post on this open forum. But you have the right and freedom to say what you will. Remember I'm a veteran that stood up for your rights to do so.

I think we all understand that the four of you are all for this Socialist move by the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners.

But guess what? We still have one County Commissioner who is not a Liberal or Socialist. Mr. Hebb is a straight up person.

Quote from: Jane on April 03, 2016, 08:34:17 AM
And once again, you could not say anything with our talking about Elk Connect.

And once again you try to stifle, censor and to deny my rights of the 1st amendment of the US Constitution.

Who or what is this Elk connect you refer to?
And what do you know about them?

I asked this in a previous post and you failed to answer, WHY?

Are you speaking of Elk Konnected, LLC ?

If so would you be good enough to provide us with some of the knowledge you have of them?
Who or what is this Elk Konnected to you?
And what do you know about them?

THANKS

I'm headed outside to enjoy a beautiful day, it is suppose to be very summer like.

I hope too, that you can enjoy this beautiful day.

Just the response I expected.

Quote from: Jane on April 03, 2016, 03:58:09 PM
Just the response I expected.

Quote from: Jane on April 03, 2016, 08:34:17 AM
Ross, it was directed to any one that had the brains to read it. I just knew those 3 would not be negative. Every one else on here is. And once again, you could not say anything with our talking about Elk Connect.

Jane, are you saying that to oppose socialism is negative?  Appears that way from here. 

You and your 3 never express any opposition to socialism.  (not sure about Bullwinkle - don't know why he's listed)  Ross is right, not because of his military service, but because of his conservative stand for American principles.  The U S military is a giant social experiment for the Republicans' and reconstructed Democrats' brand of equality, not American liberty.

Americans ought to be excited about standing for liberty, but that probably ain't ever gonna happen because so many people are more interested in the expanding social experiment for everybody as sponsored by government.  Tyranny.

Distribution and tyranny go together.

While Ross stands for America liberty, there'll be those who are very much opposed to him.





 

I am oppose to socialism. If it is so great, why do we have all the other countries leaving their home lands and coming here. Some one needs to tell me how the democrats are so not in all of this, and only the Republican's created the problem? 

RIGHT ON JANE I agree with you 100000 Percent. I know you and Rex's Family and Myrna and I think the same way as you do. You and I and ALL of my Family have ALWAYS opposed Socialism. Hang in there Jane, DO NOT let Redcliffsw intimidate you. He thinks everybody is a Socialist but him. Rex's Family were some of the strongest Political leaders in Elk County.

Quote from: Jane on April 04, 2016, 07:41:35 PM
I am oppose to socialism. If it is so great, why do we have all the other countries leaving their home lands and coming here. Some one needs to tell me how the democrats are so not in all of this, and only the Republican's created the problem?

If you oppose socialism why do you approve of the socialist act by theThat act is giving away free money to the cities.
Yes that is a socialist act!

Good question.


The history iof the Republican Party is one of liberalism and socialism and it continues in that tradition to this day.  The Republican Party is no place for true conservatives - true conservatives are not be welcome there. 

I hate Politics, so I will just leave you with this for discussion, and cat scratching!

ready ...to not discuss politics or religion, but I might sex, if Teresa and Kjel would approve???   and Rock and Roll is definetly out!

Quote from: ROSS on April 03, 2016, 04:03:45 PM

The Truth !
SURE!

Do you mean you are saying that the truth shall set you free?

It is the truth that the Elk County commissioners approved a $100,000 distribution of funds to the incorporated cities, right?

And, it is true the commissioners as a body approved the distribution, right?

The distribution is to be made on the basis of the population of each city as of the 2010 census, right?

That would have Howard receiving approximately $39,734; Moline, $21,458; Longton, $20,127; Grenola, $12,493, and Elk Falls, $6,189.

The city fathers of each city will make the determination of what to do with the money.

But, in the meantime, I was thinking some of that money earmarked for Howard could go to something that I think even you would agree would really be worthwhile.

I don't know the status of the fund drive for the rehab of the Howard pool, but that would be one good place to make a wise investment for all the wee little Elk Countians coming up behind all of us.

Don't you agree?


(http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/waldoegray/howard%20pool_zpsrszjuoec.jpg)

Yes, I agree.  It would help keep our kids off the roads seeking entertainment.  Especially the ones that are still too young to be driving, but need a place to socialize.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 05, 2016, 01:38:01 PM
Do you mean you are saying that the truth shall set you free?

Not hardly! Not the way the truth as distorted by liberals.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 05, 2016, 01:38:01 PM
It is the truth that the Elk County commissioners approved a $100,000 distribution of funds to the incorporated cities, right?

It is true that two Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners voted Socialist.
And one Elk County Commissioner voted against this Socialist move.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 05, 2016, 01:38:01 PM
And, it is true the commissioners as a body approved the distribution, right?

No !  Only the two Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners voted to approve this Socialist move.
One Elk County Commissioner voted against the Socialist move.
Their Socialist  resolution only listed Howard and was not approved !

Quote from: W. Gray on April 05, 2016, 01:38:01 PM
The distribution is to be made on the basis of the population of each city as of the 2010 census, right?

Where is the fairness in that? The populations have changed dramatically for Howard.
But not so much for the other communities. Isn't that weighted for Howard, and cheats the others?

I mean if they want to be Socialists? Couldn't they be fair Socialists? Couldn't they use today's population count? (See list and references below.)

Howard's populatiom has dropped from 684 to 633 population. A decrease of 54 people
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Howard%2C+kansas+population

Moline has dropped from 369 to 340 population. A decrease of 29 people.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Moline%2C+Kansas+Population

Longton's population has dropped from 347 to 318 population. A decrease of 29 people.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Longton%2C+Kansas+population

Grenoals's population has dropped from 215 to 197 population. A decrease pf 18 people.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Grenola%2C+Kansas+population

Elk Falls population has dropped from 107 to 99 population. A decrease of 8 people.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Elk+Falls%2C+kansas+population

Quote from: W. Gray on April 05, 2016, 01:38:01 PM
That would have Howard receiving approximately $39,734; Moline, $21,458; Longton, $20,127; Grenola, $12,493, and Elk Falls, $6,189.

The city fathers of each city will make the determination of what to do with the money.

Of course they would. But they were not capable of taking care of their own business and budget for maintenance and repairs or urgent problems were they?

So, they depend on Welfare at the cost of the property owner taxpayers like good little Socialists, right?

Quote from: W. Gray on April 05, 2016, 01:38:01 PM
But, in the meantime, I was thinking some of that money earmarked for Howard could go to something that I think even you would agree would really be worthwhile.

I don't know the status of the fund drive for the rehab of the Howard pool, but that would be one good place to make a wise investment for all the wee little Elk Countians coming up behind all of us.
Don't you agree?

Of course I agree. That was probably the motivation for the whole Socialist plan to fix Howards Swimming Pool.

After all they let it be known they let it be known they thought everyone in the county was responsible for their Swimming pool.

But they are totally wrong it is not everyone's responsibility!

Another thing wrong is the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners referring to  Elk County coffers as Wind Farm Money! The Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners only do that to muddy the truth.

When W. Gray pays her property tax and it is entered into the County Coffers the money is no longer refereed to as W. Grays Money is it?

If the County doesn't feel it is important to save money and invest it. for the possible hard times that             Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminski pointed out at the County Commissioners meeting they should return the money to the taxpayers instead of giving it away.

Then the communities could raise their property taxes to meet their own needs. That is why they have City Councils? Why City Councils? To manage the communities business and expenses.

After all that is exactly what West Elk has been doing! The county gives us a tax break and West Elk takes it away by raising our property tax, taking the tax break away from us.

Why isn't that good enough for the Communities rather than County Welfare?

The people choose to live in their respective community and are responsible for the money (taxes) to pay for their community responsibilities.

And the argument that the communities pay county property taxes too !
Is ridiculous, because they pay the county for the very same services I pay for and therefore do not require the extra benefits of Social Welfare.

Your whole point is that you favor Socialism instead of saving for County Government needs or returning the money to the taxpayer.

Read the thread http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html and refresh your self on the purpose of Elk Kon nected. Re-read the ridiculous list they provided to two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. Maybe you will learn something new.

Here is a reminder about Socialism thanks to an earlier poster.

There may be hope for you yet. The "current" population figures you provided work out to provide the exact same percentage ratio as for the 2010 population ratio. Each city would be getting the same amount of money under either population grouping.

The only difference between the 2010 population figures and the figures you gave is that the 2010 figures are official data whereas your figures are estimated guesses at the most.

You said "Of course I agree" with Howard possibly using some of the money for the pool. You are getting there.

Maybe you could show some added tenderness by taking two or three twenties out of your pocket and commute those Jackson's over to Howard and donate to the pool fund as well. It would be greatly appreciated. The Howard pool would come out ahead and you might too. It might make you feel better about yourself.

W Gray, why don't you move to Elk County?  Being a citizen, you could contribute more directly to the socialization.  Of course, Ross and traditional conservatives won't go along with socialist causes like government 'investment' in Howard's pool.

Or you can remain in Colorado.

Colorado  Ha,ha, ha ! :D :D

I having wasting my time on what they call around here an outsider.
They call me an outsider even though I live here, pay taxes here an vote here!
But, Colorado you are a real outsider. LOL
Don't take it too hard?

Now, I think it has been mentioned on the forum a total of thirty-three times as to where I live.

But, me not living in Elk County should not prevent you from doing your math correctly.

Or, keep you from saying that you do not like socialism.

Or, even keep you from donating a little to the Howard pool. You might even want to take your grandkids for an outing at the pool someday.

What was it that told you to move to Elk County in the first place? What inspired you?

Mr. Gray is not an outsider.  He has had extensive ties to Elk County.  The fact that he does not live here does not make him an uninterested party.  The same can be said of Diane.  Her people and I believe that at least one of her near relatives still own Elk County property.  A great deal more property than most of us self proclaimed Elk Countians own.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 06, 2016, 07:35:31 AM
Now, I think it has been mentioned on the forum a total of thirty-three times as to where I live.

But, me not living in Elk County should not prevent you from doing your math correctly.

Or, keep you from saying that you do not like socialism.

Or, even keep you from donating a little to the Howard pool. You might even want to take your grandkids for an outing at the pool someday.

What was it that told you to move to Elk County in the first place? What inspired you?

None of what you say has anything to do with the improper use of Elk County taxpayer money!

Giving County taxpayer money as in Socialism instead of returning it to taxpayers is tantamount to theft by Politics.

And by the way, you are not really appreciated by Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska who used you and others like you, saying, "If we return money to the taxpayers most of the money would leave Elk County !

County." Oh yea she made that statement at the Commissioners meeting as an excuse not to return money to the proper people and for using Socialism to give money away. How does it feel to be used in such an improper way? , Which is saying you are an outsider, in my way of thinking, you and the other outsiders don't count during County Commissioners meetings. She just blew you off as any kind of meaning except as an excuse. Think about it.

No matter how you twist the use of the Howeird Swimming Pool it still belongs to Howard and is their financial responsibility. It is not the financial responsibility of every one in Elk County. It appears that very few people in Elk County use the swimming pool of they would be making a profit and be able to pay for their responsibility.  In other words it is a financial liability kept afloat for the use of very few people. Hardly worth the expenditure is it?

Nope you are wrong about me using that swimming pool for my grand kids ---- you just assume too much.
And it is a failure to try to support Socialism in such a manner.

Yep, you will keep pushing this type of Socialism won't you?

What ever happened to conservatives in Kansas, especially in Elk County?

I think what happened to conservatism is greed and ego!

Quote from: Wilma on April 06, 2016, 08:46:01 AM
Mr. Gray is not an outsider.  He has had extensive ties to Elk County.  The fact that he does not live here does not make him an uninterested party.  The same can be said of Diane.  Her people and I believe that at least one of her near relatives still own Elk County property.  A great deal more property than most of us self proclaimed Elk Countians own.

It all depends on how you wish to twist the word doesn't it?

I could care less how many people he know or how much land he owns.

He doesn't live here does he?

He doesn't vote here does he?

Diane doesn't live here, does she?

Diane does not vote here does she?

And apparently Diane doesn't own land here or you would have mentioned it.

All that adds up to more of an outsider than myself !

Unless you can find a way to twist the meaning even more, to make me more of an outsider.

Lets not forget the joke that floats around Elk County:
You might be an outsider if you are not inbred !
But before you go off on me I must say the following:
Yes, I thought it tasteless as a joke the first time I heard it.
But, I laughed and won't deny it Q
And I still think it is tasteless!
But it still floats around.
And I bet the joke has been around for many, many decades.

Perhaps that has something to do with the desire for Socialism in Elk County !

Just saying, it's something to think about ! LOL

I just now received this in an e-mail and I think it is quite appropriate for the Socialist topic and FREE MONEY !

        I have never heard this said as simply or as well.

The folks who are getting the free stuff don't like
The folks who are paying for the free stuff, because
The folks who are paying for the  free stuff  can no longer
Afford to pay for both the  free stuff  and  their own stuff.

And the folks who are paying for the free  stuff  Want the free stuff to stop.

And the folks who are getting the  free stuff  want even more   Free stuff  on top of the  free stuff   they are already getting!

Now... The people who are forcing the people who pay
For the free stuff  have told the people who are RECEIVING
The free stuff  that the people who are PAYING for the
Free stuff  are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

So... The people who are GETTING the free stuff  have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the Free stuff  by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff  and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

We have let the free stuff  giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting  free stuff  than paying for the   Free stuff .

Now understand this.  All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200  and 250  years after being founded.
The reason?

The voters figured out they could vote themselves money
From the treasury by electing people who promised to give
Them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.         (Elk Kon nected)

The United States officially became a Republic in 1776, 238 years ago.

The number of people now getting free stuff   
outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff.

Failure to change that spells the end of the United States as we know it.

ELECTION 2016 IS COMING
A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!
Take a Stand!!!
Borders: Closed!

Language: English only
Culture: God, Constitution, and the Bill of Rights!

Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!

NO  freebies to: Non-Citizens!

I thought that the $100,000 distribution was Wind Farm Income, not taxpayer money.  The taxpayers have not paid into this fund.  How is it that by the money being distributed to the different towns in the county, it isn't going to the taxpayers benefit?

Quote from: Wilma on April 06, 2016, 12:49:44 PM
I thought that the $100,000 distribution was Wind Farm Income, not taxpayer money.  The taxpayers have not paid into this fund.  How is it that by the money being distributed to the different towns in the county, it isn't going to the taxpayers benefit?

No it is no longer Wind Farm money or it would be in their bank account and not in the Elk County Bank account.

It is being issued based on the number of people in each community, in effect distributing  an amount of dollar for each person whether they are a taxpayer or not. That includes counting children who pay not taxes at all.

It does not include distribution to all the other people and children in the county.

Each community has it's own government and collects their own property tax to take of their city's business. That is why they have a Mayor and city council people elected by the citizens of the community.

What the county collects from the wind farm is called P.I.L.O.T. which basically says they do not have to pay their fair share of property tax. Their fair share would be based on a minimum of 130 mill or better, which I can only guess, would be about $6,000,000 instead of less than $1,000,000.

The money in the County bank account is property of all tax payers and belongs only for the use of County Business not the City's business. The same is true for the city bank accounts.

In other words my personal bak is for my use and your bank account is for your use. If some one took money out of your personal account and put it in my per/sonal account would you be happy about it?
Would you just shrug your shoulders and say it's okay because it is socialism?
Would you consider it aid or welfare and let it go?
Or would you consider it theft?

It is the very same thing between County Government and City Government.
Each has it's own account for their separate responsibilities to the tax payers.

It is basic common sense !

No matter what Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Liebau and Kaminski excuses they fabricate.

You just try asking them to open their personal accounts to do the same thing. Ask each of them to cough up $50,000 to give to the city's and see what they say?

But they think it is okay to give away taxpayer money because it is not their money. And it is not their money to give away.

Because of principles and ethics and honesty Commissioner Hebb voted against giving away taxpayer money.
And because he is not Elk Kon nected.


I hope this clears the issue up for you a bit.
And thanks for asking.




Have a good afternoon and evening.

People that live in the city also pay county tax.

You are right about that PRO. I have Owned Property In Elk, and I am Working on Buying some more. And when I do Buy some I will gladly Pay my Taxes There. As a Former Taxpayer, and one that will be paying Taxes again, I think it was Great that they shared the  Money from The Wind Farms with the Towns in Elk County. After all everyone that owns Property also Pays Taxes there. PRO KEEP ON KEEPING ON, YOU ARE DOING GREAT.

My point was that the Wind Farm Money did not come from the taxpayers.  I am sorry that you couldn't understand that.

One other thing that you seem to not understand.  Having ties to an area does not mean that you live there, pay taxes there or vote there.  Ties to an area such as Mr. Gray has to Elk County come from memories that have been made over time.  Such as I still have ties to the little town in Sedgwick County where I grew up.  Since most of the people that I used to know there are dead or gone, I have only memories, but I still have an interest in what is happening there.  Sometimes there is a name that I recognize and can identify the family.  Those are ties that last and are just as important as actually living in the area.  Some ties are simply the place where your parents are buried or your grandparent's farm where you spent a lot of time.  There are endless places that you can have ties to as long as your memories last.

Very well said Wilma.

Quote from: proelkco on April 06, 2016, 04:38:34 PM
People that live in the city also pay county tax.

And those County taxes they pay, provides them the same benefits I receive.
If for some reason they deserve more benefits from the County so does every County Taxpayer.
So what is your point?

Quote from: frawin on April 06, 2016, 04:53:25 PM
You are right about that PRO. I have Owned Property In Elk, and I am Working on Buying some more. And when I do Buy some I will gladly Pay my Taxes There. As a Former Taxpayer, and one that will be paying Taxes again, I think it was Great that they shared the  Money from The Wind Farms with the Towns in Elk County. After all everyone that owns Property also Pays Taxes there. PRO KEEP ON KEEPING ON, YOU ARE DOING GREAT.

Just another socialists attitude.

I suppose you are happy paying taxes to pay some woman to receive welfare because she doesn't want to work
and makes babies one after another so she can get more free money. Yes , they do exist. Because she gets free money for each kid. That is socialism and that is part of our country's problem. Free Money, free money.

I get it you are all for free money.

Quote from: Wilma on April 06, 2016, 06:43:50 PM
My point was that the Wind Farm Money did not come from the taxpayers.  I am sorry that you couldn't understand that.

The Wind Farm is a taxpayer or they would not be paying the county a dime. As I said PILOT only means they don't have to the full amount of the assessed tax mil the rest of us have to pay. They pay in Lieu of full tax.

Quote from: Wilma on April 06, 2016, 06:43:50 PM
One other thing that you seem to not understand.  Having ties to an area does not mean that you live there, pay taxes there or vote there.  Ties to an area such as Mr. Gray has to Elk County come from memories that have been made over time.  Such as I still have ties to the little town in Sedgwick County where I grew up.  Since most of the people that I used to know there are dead or gone, I have only memories, but I still have an interest in what is happening there.  Sometimes there is a name that I recognize and can identify the family.  Those are ties that last and are just as important as actually living in the area.  Some ties are simply the place where your parents are buried or your grandparent's farm where you spent a lot of time.  There are endless places that you can have ties to as long as your memories last.

Having ties does not mean you are an insider either. The meaning of the term outsider, I guess depends on the person using it. Doesn't it!

So because they are not a voter and do not live here I consider them outsiders.
And that is my opinion that I am entitled to. Thank you.
And the Constitution guarantees my right to say so.

Since you mentioned that Howard should probably use the Socialist Welfare Money to fix their swimming pool it brought to mind some thoughts.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 05, 2016, 01:38:01 PM
I don't know the status of the fund drive for the rehab of the Howard pool, but that would be one good place to make a wise investment for all the wee little Elk Countians coming up behind all of us.

Elk Kon nected went to the Howard City council several months ago asking that they be permitted to take over raising the donations to fix that swimming pool. It doesn't appear that they were successful, does it? So how about they go to their Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners to get the money for Howard? Sounds reasonable doesn't it? A little manipulation doesn't hurt anything does it?

So what happens next, but that the two Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners do it for them with this Socialist Welfare Money right? Right!

Next the Socialist Welfare Money is called Aid and a Resolution is drawn up and only lists Howard ! Why would such a blatant error be made?

Quote from: W. Gray on April 05, 2016, 01:38:01 PM

The distribution is to be made on the basis of the population of each city as of the 2010 census, right?

That would have Howard receiving approximately $39,734; Moline, $21,458; Longton, $20,127; Grenola, $12,493, and Elk Falls, $6,189.

And as far as dividing up the money between the communities by the number of population instead of by the number of taxpayers in each community is a questionable method. Why would I think that?
Because there are probably more kids in Howard and probably more renters in Howard and none of them pay property tax. That in its self creates an unfair amount of the tax dollars going to Howard.

Just food for thought and open discussion.

Well said, Ross!

Since i don't have a cheer leading section
I hope you don't mind if i be my own cheer leader.

ROFLMAO.

Ross, most of 'em don't appear to understand a thing that you've said.

Some people even call themselves "conservative" or "ultra conservative" about an issue or two.  Yet, they're liberal on 999 other matters.  Support of the military does not make one a conservative, instead with many it's quite the opposite.

It's no wonder that Republicans have no answer for Obama because they think like him.
Distribution is now a way of life in the united States.  It's the worship of government and the goodness thereof.  Republicans and reconstructed Democrats are Lincolnites - socialists.

Obama and some top Elk County Republicans have very much on common, they support Distribution of government money no matter where they get it or where it comes from.  You're right, that's socialism and the liberals don't care what you say.

Stay on 'em.

Obama wants to give free money away every day.

Obama wnats to give free money under the auspices of slavery and calling it repatriation.

Obama want to give a lot of free money to every black in the US because their ancestors were slaves.

That is fair isn't it?  After all it is free money and everyone likes free money, Right?

Should the Federal Government giving away  free money to anybody?

Should any Government be giving away free money ?

Should Elk County be giving away free money ?

No one has said it is free money.

Quote from: Wilma on April 06, 2016, 06:43:50 PM
My point was that the Wind Farm Money did not come from the taxpayers.  I am sorry that you couldn't understand that.

One other thing that you seem to not understand.  Having ties to an area does not mean that you live there, pay taxes there or vote there.  Ties to an area such as Mr. Gray has to Elk County come from memories that have been made over time.  Such as I still have ties to the little town in Sedgwick County where I grew up.  Since most of the people that I used to know there are dead or gone, I have only memories, but I still have an interest in what is happening there.  Sometimes there is a name that I recognize and can identify the family.  Those are ties that last and are just as important as actually living in the area.  Some ties are simply the place where your parents are buried or your grandparent's farm where you spent a lot of time.  There are endless places that you can have ties to as long as your memories last.

Well said, Wilma.

Ross probably has no roots--anywhere.

Do you have something against children?

If you do not want to take your grandkids to the Howard pool, maybe you could go by yourself. It might cool yourself off a little.

Thank you Wilma. You understand how I feel too. It's a shame that my attachment to Howard and Elk County annoys some so much. I will be sending another little donation for the pool and Roma Jean's scholarship later this spring.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 07, 2016, 08:31:22 AM

Well said, Wilma.

Ross probably has no roots--anywhere.

Now that is about the most  Arrogantly ignorant thing I have ever heard.
You know nothing about me.

And it absolutely has nothing to do with the Socialist attitude you folks display about giving away Free Money !

But it is the kind of attack a person pulls when they are unable to comprehend and discuss anything.

But guess what, I ain't offended by such  attitude and personal attacks.
Because they are meaningless.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 07, 2016, 08:53:30 AM
Do you have something against children?

If you do not want to take your grandkids to the Howard pool, maybe you could go by yourself. It might cool yourself off a little.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 07, 2016, 08:31:22 AM

Well said, Wilma.

Ross probably has no roots--anywhere.

Now that is about the most  Arrogantly ignorant thing I have ever heard.
You know nothing about me.

And it absolutely has nothing to do with the Socialist attitude you folks display about giving away Free Money !

But it is the kind of attack a person pulls when they are unable to comprehend and discuss anything.

But guess what, I ain't offended by such  attitude and personal attacks.
Because they are meaningless.

Please try a different approach to shut me up. But it won't work either.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 07, 2016, 09:08:45 AM
Thank you Wilma. You understand how I feel too. It's a shame that my attachment to Howard and Elk County annoys some so much. I will be sending another little donation for the pool and Roma Jean's scholarship later this spring.

I could care less about your attachments or relationships!

I simply said you don't live here or vote here or and that makes you an outsider.
All you Kon nectted accused me of being an outsider, when in fact I do live here and I do vote here.

I am so happy for you wanting to donate your money for what you think is a good cause. Keep up the good work. Every little dollar helps to do the job elected officials were incapable of planning for.

Do you donate where you have your roots in Delaware?

Quote from: ROSS on April 07, 2016, 10:17:52 AM

Now that is about the most  Arrogantly ignorant thing I have ever heard.
You know nothing about me.

And it absolutely has nothing to do with the Socialist attitude you folks display about giving away Free Money !

But it is the kind of attack a person pulls when they are unable to comprehend and discuss anything.

But guess what, I ain't offended by such  attitude and personal attacks.
Because they are meaningless.

Please try a different approach to shut me up. But it won't work either.

Where are your roots?

Quote from: proelkco on April 07, 2016, 08:27:14 AM
No one has said it is free money.

Oh yes, some has said it is Free Money, go back and read the many times I have called it Free money.

What do you call it?

Is the money being given away? YES

Is the money going to be aid back with interest? NO

Hence FREE MONEY.

And it matters none what ever other name you may attach to it.

It would only strengthen the socialistic attitude.

I have enjoyed playing with you Kon nected folks, you have helped me considerably getting a message out there and the misconceptions so people might discuss where there hard earned money is going.

So, I will bid you adieu and allow you to continue distorting the truth and [possibly give me a working over.

Just one last question for you Kon nected readers before I go. Please answer it, if you possibly can.

So do you think Obama should apply Socialism to give tax dollars away as repatriation for all the black folks because they are descendants of slaves? It's only Government money now! And the can tax the taxpayer more to get more money, right?

I hope everyone across the county is talking about this.

Bye Bye

Quote from: W. Gray on April 07, 2016, 10:44:49 AM

Where are your roots?

I had to provide Mr. Gray a response to a decent question.

My roots are right here in Elk County where I planted them.

I searched the internet and found this piece of ground and built a new home right here.

Thank you for asking.

Quote from: ROSS on April 07, 2016, 11:00:06 AM
I had to provide Mr. Gray a response to a decent question.

My roots are right here in Elk County where I planted them.

I searched the internet and found this piece of ground and built a new home right here.

Thank you for asking.

Where were you prior to coming to Elk County?

Ross this all started out as a conversation. Now you have turned into an argument. Why do you always have to blame Elk Konnected for everything that you do not agree with? If our commissioners are so stupid, why do you not run for their office?

If Ross had his way the large portion of this county that is owned by the out of area people that come down here and snatch up all the dirt cheap property would get more tax breaks and us local yokels would be paying for the roads and fire depts.ect...But giving money away for the sake of giving money away isn't right either

Quote from: upoladeb on April 07, 2016, 07:35:32 PM
If Ross had his way the large portion of this county that is owned by the out of area people that come down here and snatch up all the dirt cheap property would get more tax breaks and us local yokels would be paying for the roads and fire depts.ect...But giving money away for the sake of giving money away isn't right either

Not really upoladeb, I simply said if the county government doesn't want the money they should return it to the taxpayer rather than give it away.

I agree with you, returning the money to the taxpayer would be a bad idea.

However, it is not a function of Elk County Government to be Liberal Socialists.

I profoundly suggested that the County Government invest the money and let it grow.
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska pointed out during that County Commissioners Meeting that the county population is suppose to decline by 35% over the years and that it will be difficult to perform County business.

I told her there was a very good reason to save the money and invest it, instead of giving away Free Money..

Quote from: proelkco on April 07, 2016, 12:44:32 PM
Ross this all started out as a conversation. Now you have turned into an argument. Why do you always have to blame Elk Konnected for everything that you do not agree with? If our commissioners are so stupid, why do you not run for their office?

This all is poasted on the Politics category. 

Why would two of three (2 of 3) Republican County Commissioners be supporting left wing ideology like the Elk Konnected?  Probably because it's only natural for most Republicans to do that.

By the way, why do you call it "Wind Farm Income" or Wind Farm Money instead of County Money?  Does it sound better to give away Wind Farm Money instead of County Money?  It's County Money and you ought to know that. 

Just remember that Abraham Lincoln is the father of our country as it was re-invented in 1865.  Father Abraham - how's that?  Better?  Just gave away an idea to the Republicans and Obamites.

Quote from: ROSS on April 08, 2016, 01:03:55 PM



children and grand children? Or do you care about their future? Or do you have something against Children ?

Take them to the Howard pool. You and they both will enjoy it.

Quote from: ROSS on April 08, 2016, 01:03:55 PM
Or do just you want to continue to be the highest taxed county in Kansas and persue down the path of Socialism?

Why did you move to the "highest taxed county in Kansas" in the first place?

I'm not sure what Ross had to say, but that is a very good question.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 08, 2016, 02:43:20 PM
Take them to the Howard pool. You and they both will enjoy it.

And you think that is better than looking out for their financial well being?
There are far better places to go swimming ?

Quote from: W. Gray on April 08, 2016, 02:46:34 PM
Why did you move to the "highest taxed county in Kansas" in the first place?

school.

I was unaware of the taxation in Elk County. But I happened to like the piece of property I purchased and the central location to shopping and hospitals and the fact that Moline had a grade.

Who would have thought elected officials would have been dumb enough to shut down a perfectly good school. And to continue to raise property taxes so irrationally and waste money so foolishly?
I bet you have no idea how much money West Elk School Board has wasted?
Or that perhaps that is the reason it cost $25,000.00 per year, per child, per school year?
It is not all for education ! Just think about that for more than a minute !

Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 08, 2016, 02:56:18 PM
I'm not sure what Ross had to say, but that is a very good question.

So onece again you have no idea what you are talking about, way up there in Delaware ?
Not to smart are we? Ya don't know what I had to say out of foolishness.
How deep is your snow?

Quote from: ROSS on April 08, 2016, 06:55:25 PM

There are far better places to go swimming ?

Are you suggesting the Caney River?

W Gray-

Do you consider yourself to be a liberal or ultra-conservative? 

Quote from: W. Gray on April 08, 2016, 08:15:50 PM
Are you suggesting the Caney River?

Mr, Gray I made no such suggestion, simply that there are better places to go swimming other than the Howard swimming pool. And it is apparent to me people that live here know where those places are and are using them. Otherwise the Howard pool would be used to full capacity and making money rather than being subsidized by Howard tax money.

But you failed to answer the important question and I quote:

Quote from: ROSS on April 08, 2016, 06:55:25 PM
And you think that is better than looking out for their financial well being?

What is more important to you?

Giving money away in this socialistic manner or looking out for children?

And I was speaking of the children, grand children and great grand children's financial future.

And you respond by asking ?

Quote from: W. Gray on April 08, 2016, 08:15:50 PM
Are you suggesting the Caney River?

Quote from: ROSS on April 08, 2016, 06:55:25 PM



And you think that is better than looking out for their financial well being?
There are far better places to go swimming ?

school.

I was unaware of the taxation in Elk County. But I happened to like the piece of property I purchased and the central location to shopping and hospitals and the fact that Moline had a grade.

Who would have thought elected officials would have been dumb enough to shut down a perfectly good school. And to continue to raise property taxes so irrationally and waste money so foolishly?
I bet you have no idea how much money West Elk School Board has wasted?
Or that perhaps that is the reason it cost $25,000.00 per year, per child, per school year?
It is not all for education ! Just think about that for more than a minute !


So onece again you have no idea what you are talking about, way up there in Delaware ?
Not to smart are we? Ya don't know what I had to say out of foolishness.
How deep is your snow?

Reminds me of the guy who found a nice little place for his family and promptly negotiated to buy. In his haste he disregarded that a short distance from that house happened to be a high fence and a jet runway. He and his family spent one night in the house and the next day he started screaming to the airport and everyone else in the area about all that loud noise. He cried "Who would have thought those planes could be so loud." No one would listen, though.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 09, 2016, 08:15:24 AM
Reminds me of the guy who found a nice little place for his family and promptly negotiated to buy. In his haste he disregarded that a short distance from that house happened to be a high fence and a jet runway. He and his family spent one night in the house and the next day he started screaming to the airport and everyone else in the area about all that loud noise. He cried "Who would have thought those planes could be so loud." No one would listen, though.

That is ridiculous and has absolutely nothing to do with the present socialistic attitude by the two puppet
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners.

You Liberal Socialists sure have a fine way of avoiding the real issues.

The truth is you work very hard to avoid points rather than to and engage in civil communication and dialogue that are placed before you.
Avoid at all cost,
change the subject
and ignore the true subject!

Quote from: ROSS on April 09, 2016, 06:15:13 AM

But you failed to answer the important question and I quote:

What is more important to you?

Giving money away in this socialistic manner or looking out for children?

And I was speaking of the children, grand children and great grand children's financial future.

I enlarged my request for an answer, so you would not miss it.

Please a proper response.

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table,
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for
peanuts anyway!

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
Taxes to pass

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid...

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Sales Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax


STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the
most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had
the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the
kids.

What in the heck happened?
MANY THINGS
INCLUDING
SOCIALISM?

Quote from: ROSS on April 09, 2016, 09:15:26 AM
That is ridiculous and has absolutely nothing to do with the present socialistic attitude by the two puppet
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners.

You Liberal Socialists sure have a fine way of avoiding the real issues.

The truth is you work very hard to avoid points rather than to and engage in civil communication and dialogue that are placed before you.
Avoid at all cost,
change the subject
and ignore the true subject!

Would you please answer this question?

I enlarged my request for an answer, so you would not miss it.

Please a proper response.

Have you tried writing a letter to the editor expressing your opposition to the bad things you think are going on in Elk County?

Of course, you would have to think positive, cease from rambling, refrain from insult, try not to yell, and stick to the issue to support your point or points.

if you can do that, it might be worth a try. If you cannot do that, no editor in their right mind would print your letter.

What do you think?

Quote from: W. Gray on April 09, 2016, 12:22:47 PM
Have you tried writing a letter to the editor expressing your opposition to the bad things you think are going on in Elk County?

Your are kidding right?
The editor is a self proclaimed supporter of Elk Kon nected !
But then, you don't live here, so how would you know?

Quote from: W. Gray on April 09, 2016, 12:22:47 PM
Of course, you would have to think positive, cease from rambling, refrain from insult, try not to yell,
and stick to the issue to support your point or points.

if you can do that, it might be worth a try. If you cannot do that, no editor in their right mind would print your letter.

I know what you believe about capitalizing letters, but the truth is there is no sound, no volume!
Simply emphasis. So stuff your bit about yelling. And insults are the main tool of the
Elk Kon nected Followers through out this forum. So you can stuff that too! Besides you have done your share of backhanded insults, but I don't let it bother me.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 09, 2016, 12:22:47 PM
What do you think?

First I don't think I asked for your advice, no I didn't, thank you !
This forum works quit well and me thinks that is the reason for the re-direct !

I think you are being evasive and avoiding to respond to a very responsible question.
Like a good little liberal socialist!

Evasiveness and avoidance are also tools of the Elk Kon nected Followers. Go figure !

You tell me :

Quote from: W. Gray on April 09, 2016, 12:22:47 PM
and stick to the issue to support your point or points.

And I tell you:

The following is a mighty big part of the issue that you avoid it at all cost! Why?
Because the truth hurts?            Is that why?

Here in quotes, here we go again with the question:

Quote from: ROSS on April 09, 2016, 06:15:13 AM

But you failed to answer the important question and I quote:
What is more important to you?
Giving money away in this socialistic manner or looking out for children?
And I was speaking of the children, grand children and great grand children's financial future.

Quote from: ROSS on April 09, 2016, 09:15:26 AM

Would you please answer this question?

I enlarged my request for an answer, so you would not miss it.
Please a proper response.

See, I even explained, why I enlarged the request ! And you still miss it or avoid it !

You Elk Kon nected Followers have used the children as a reason to pay for Howards Swimming Pool, but apparently don't care about their future !    Why is that?

You are a great deal of fun!

Where did you say you live, was it the Arkansas hills ?
Just a little sarcasim! LOL

You are a great deal of fun !

You are really good at keeping this thread alive and going!

Keep up the good work and give yourself a pat on the back...

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If insults are only from Elk Konnected then you are definitely a member.

Quote from: proelkco on April 09, 2016, 08:00:39 PM
If insults are only from Elk Konnected then you are definitely a member.

BS !

Who said that insults are only from Elk Kon nected ?

ROFLMAO !

Good Morning Folks.

I must apologize for an error, I made in a post I made.

I said ELk Kon nected instead of Elk Kon nected Followers.

And I say Elk Kon nected Followers., Because no one admits to being Elk Kon nected,absolutely no one. Followers is a key word, don't you think?

So. here is the post with the error in it:

Quote from: ROSS on April 09, 2016, 09:41:38 PM
BS !
Who said that insults are only from Elk Kon nected ?
ROFLMAO !

And I believe this is the remark that proelco was refering to where I made the remark about insults and I did say Followers:

Quote from: ROSS on April 09, 2016, 02:18:00 PM
. And insults are the main tool of the Elk Kon nected Followers through out this forum. So you can stuff that too! Besides you have done your share of backhanded insults, but I don't let it bother me.

Proelco I do believe you have made your share of insults as well, so does that make you an Elk Kon nected Follower ?

In my opinion you just insulted both myself and Elk Kon nected, re-read your insulting post, please :

Quote from: proelkco on April 09, 2016, 08:00:39 PM
If insults are only from Elk Konnected then you are definitely a member.

But you know what? It is really difficult to understand what it is that you perhaps believe.

I say that because you posted the following which confuses everything you say:

Quote from: proelkco on February 17, 2016, 06:04:34 PM
Elk Konnected does not exist anymore. The suggestions from page 1 came from citizens from all over the county and were presented by Dana Mills.

Proelkco was refering to page one of the following thread:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html

And the Hand Out was from an Elk Kon nected Kommunity Konversation that was really what I called a three ring circus.

Now that i have that out of the way proelkco back on the subject of FREE MONEY  !
Would you please respond to the following that no one will respond to :

Quote from: ROSS on April 08, 2016, 01:03:55 PM

It is not the job of any government
to give out handouts or
FREE MONEY

Is  anyone in Elk County smart enough to save money and invest it to ease the tax burden on their children and grand children? Or do you care about their future? Or do you have something against Children ? I was asked that question, now it's your turn to answer!

Or do just you want to continue to be the highest taxed county in Kansas and persue down the path of Socialism?

Do you believe the Government should should be giving away FREE MONEY ?

How about  thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for illegal immigrants?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for illegal immigrants?
It's all just taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?

I am anxious to read your response to all of the questions in this post.
Thank You
       and
Have a great day.

Quote from: ROSS on April 09, 2016, 02:18:00 PM
Your are kidding right?
The editor is a self proclaimed supporter of Elk Kon nected !
But then, you don't live here, so how would you know?

Newspaper editors will print opposing views expressed in a letter to the editor. But, you have to do your part. You have to stay positive, stay focused, stay courteous, and don't be negative or call people names.

But, why stop with the local paper?

You seem to be serious enough you might want to take your issues to a larger circulation. Try the Wichita Eagle. You could even contact the Topeka Capital-Journal. But, why stop there? Go to the New York Times.

Would be worth a try, don't you think?

Quote from: W. Gray on April 10, 2016, 08:34:01 AM
Newspaper editors will print opposing views expressed in a letter to the editor. But, you have to do your part. You have to stay positive, stay focused, stay courteous, and don't be negative or call people names.

But, why stop with the local paper?

You seem to be serious enough you might want to take your issues to a larger circulation. Try the Wichita Eagle. You could even contact the Topeka Capital-Journal. But, why stop there? Go to the New York Times.

Would be worth a try, don't you think?

You continue to fail to answer some solid questions by deferring to your ideas of going to newspapers. Which is just a ruse.

I have made it very clear here on the forum that my only goal is to get the people of Elk County talking about issues.

Apparently that knowledge is something else you refuse to comprehend or defer from so you don't have to respond properly.

Are you a politician in Colorado?   You sure sound like one, because you keep changing the subject and avoid the answers to the questions.

Do you have a problem with the truth?

Do yo not like the truth?

Is that the purpose for all the re-directions like a politician?

You have never answered my question Mr. Ross, why don't you run for County Commissioner or the school board?

Quote from: proelkco on April 10, 2016, 01:39:19 PM
You have never answered my question Mr. Ross, why don't you run for County Commissioner or the school board?

Perhaps when you are decent enough to answer a few of my questions.
Don't you know conversation is not a one way street?

Be decent and reply before asking any more questions, please.

Reply to what question?

Quote from: proelkco on April 10, 2016, 02:52:13 PM
Reply to what question?

Surely you jest?
Have you read this thread?

Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 08, 2016, 02:54:22 PM
I got an interesting PM. I don't know how you good folks can stand the constant insults to the general population of Elk County. I don't understand how someone would want to live in a place that one considers so stupid and backward. Bless your hearts, maybe you have certain ones on ignore, as I do, and they are just wasting their time. I surely hope so.

Quote from: ROSS on April 10, 2016, 03:27:32 PM
You have no clue because you fail at reading the posts or are lying 1nd that is being polite, considering I am talking to an outsider in Delaware.

An outsider who does sneaky things like continuing the preactice shooting her mouth off on a different thread and trying to hide it.

Well you fail at that as well.

A grade for teacher in communications

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The Truth Hurts Doesn't it?

Quote from: proelkco on April 10, 2016, 01:39:19 PM
You have never answered my question Mr. Ross, why don't you run for County Commissioner or the school board?

He did run for school board in 2015 . . . and lost.

Quote from: Mom70x7 on April 10, 2016, 06:26:13 PM
He did run for school board in 2015 . . . and lost.

I dropped out to support another man.

So what's your point?

What has that got to do with the subject of Elk Kon nectd Kounty Kommissioners giving away taxpayer money as FREE MONEY
in a Socialistic manner ?

Quote from: Mom70x7 on April 10, 2016, 06:26:13 PM
He did run for school board in 2015 . . . and lost.

I suspect that is where I got the information that L.W. Ross had 17 votes in an election, although I thought it was the election for county commissioner.

Quote from: ROSS on April 10, 2016, 06:39:29 PM
I dropped out to support another man.

So what's your point?

What has that got to do with the subject of Elk Kon nectd Kounty Kommissioners giving away taxpayer as FREE MONEY
in a Socialistic manner ?

Apparently you did not withdraw soon enough or only thought you withdrew.

Did your man win?

You could always go for county commissioner. What would prevent you from doing so? You do have some supporters or some sympathy in the county and probably more than you think, so why not put yourself to some good use. Have respect for others, follow some sane rules, and make yourself worthwhile for once.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 10, 2016, 07:11:21 PM


Apparently you did not withdraw soon enough or only thought you withdrew.

Did your man win?

You could always go for county commissioner. What would prevent you from doing so? You do have some supporters or some sympathy in the county and probably more than you think, so why not put yourself to some good use. Have respect for others, follow some sane rules, and make yourself worthwhile for once.

Why are yoyalways trying to change the subject ?
Is the subject to tough for you?

I was dood enough to repond to this silliness earlier, so the reason is an attempt to shut me up, isn't it?
Well it won't work, sorry about that, for you !

I repeat:

Quote from: ROSS on April 10, 2016, 06:39:29 PM

What has that got to do with the subject of Elk Kon nectd Kounty Kommissioners giving away taxpayer as FREE MONEY
in a Socialistic manner ?

All I have to do is copy and paste, do you want to see it again?

Can any of you Kon nected Followers answer any of the following questions honestly?

Quote from: ROSS on April 10, 2016, 07:33:06 AM
Now that i have that out of the way proelkco back on the subject of FREE MONEY  !
Would you please respond to the following that no one will respond to :
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away FREE MONEY ?

How about  thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for illegal immigrants?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for illegal immigrants?
It's all just taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?

I am anxious to read your response to all of the questions in this post.
Thank You
       and
Have a great day.

Try real hard to tell us how you really feel about taxpayer dollars being given away as Socialists FREE MONEY. please.

Lets have a real conversation about the subject, okay?

Quote from: ROSS on April 10, 2016, 07:34:55 PM
Why are yoyalways trying to change the subject ?
Is the subject to tough for you?

I was dood enough to repond to this silliness earlier, so the reason is an attempt to shut me up, isn't it?
Well it won't work, sorry about that, for you !

I repeat:

All I have to do is copy and paste, do you want to see it again?

Did he win?

Quote from: W. Gray on April 10, 2016, 08:34:54 PM

Did he win?

Hey Colorado you are as bad as Delaware!
You just keep asking to see it again, well here it is:

Quote from: ROSS on April 10, 2016, 06:39:29 PM

What has that got to do with the subject of Elk Kon nectd Kounty Kommissioners giving away taxpayer money as FREE MONEY
in a Socialistic manner ?

I added the word money in the above quote. Another boo-boo I made. I sure ain't no journalist. LOL


I'm receiving some much needed sprinkles here at my place. Maybe we will get some real rain before the night is over.

GOOD NIGHT ALL!

W Gray isn't answering any questions.  We know where he stands.  He asks questions that represent his liberal standing.  He's doing his part for his people. 

If you would get off the Elk Konnected issue, maybe more people would try to read your posts. Elk Konnected has not been an issue for over a year. And yes I did support them as at least they were trying to do something for county as a whole.

Quote from: proelkco on April 11, 2016, 08:10:18 AM
If you would get off the Elk Konnected issue, maybe more people would try to read your posts. Elk Konnected has not been an issue for over a year. And yes I did support them as at least they were trying to do something for county as a whole.

from others.

In my opinion you are so wrong, and off subject once again. But i will indulge you once again. LOL

Plenty of people are reading , even you, so your point is moot!

They never did anything except take money, and treat people to being members of
a Three Ring Circus disguised as Community Conversations. It's all documented begining at page one of the thread:  http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html

I disagree with your opinion!
Elk Kon nected has never ceased being an issue and probably never will,
as long as they are on the School Board and The county Commissioners Board!
And that is my opinion.

Also my opinion is you are still a Follower trying to hide their activities !

And you have done this just to change the subject.
And to avoid the questions and truth of:

Quote from: ROSS on April 10, 2016, 06:39:29 PM

What has that got to do with the subject of Elk Kon nectd Kounty Kommissioners giving away taxpayer money as FREE MONEY
in a Socialistic manner ?

And still avoiding all the other questions associated with and posted on this thread !

Quote from: ROSS on April 10, 2016, 09:24:26 AM
You continue to fail to answer some solid questions by deferring to your ideas of going to newspapers. Which is just a ruse.

I have made it very clear here on the forum that my only goal is to get the people of Elk County talking about issues.

Apparently that knowledge is something else you refuse to comprehend or defer from so you don't have to respond properly.

Are you a politician in Colorado?   You sure sound like one, because you keep changing the subject and avoid the answers to the questions.

Do you have a problem with the truth?

Do yo not like the truth?

Is that the purpose for all the re-directions like a politician?

Yesterday, the subject came up that Ross had, indeed, run for office. He ran for the school board and received 17 votes. But, somehow, he thought he had withdrawn from the race to support another person.

If that is not enough, I learned yesterday that sometime ago Ross did, in fact, submit a letter to the editor of the local newspaper. He lost there, also. The editor turned him down flat and refused to print what he had to say. Ross might wonder why the letter was not printed but I don't think anyone else has any illusions as to why.

Ross, since you meant for the letter to be published and read by the general population of Elk and Chautauqua counties, why not post a copy of it here so that we can all learn what you had to say?

Quote from: W. Gray on April 11, 2016, 09:33:49 AM

If that is not enough, I learned yesterday that sometime ago Ross did, in fact, submit a letter to the editor of the local newspaper. He lost there, also. The editor turned him down flat and refused to print what he had to say. Ross might wonder why the letter was not printed but I don't think anyone else has any illusions as to why.

You are such a loser Mr. Colorado talking about what you have apparently no knowledge of!

You continue to fail just like Ms. Kon nected Delaware.

Does anyone else see the pattern, provided?

If you really want to know the truth go read the thread and learn how the Editor of the paper acknowledged being  associated with Elk Kon nected and that is why he refused to print it. His personal bias! His personal paper.

The thread is :
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html

Did you bother to learn of the letter to the editor about the lies of the school superintendent, i showed where the school was indeed receiving more state money than the year before. Did you know about the
Editors Kon nected back stab printing the Kon nected Superintendents letter just below mine.

But also I noticed who ever is feeding false information failed also. They failed to mention I have been the only person (so I've been told) to ever perform and execute the only succesful petition in Elk County. To the Chagrin of the West Elk School Board and The West Elk School Supperintendent? I stopped their sneaky attempt at hiking property taxes by 8 mill beyond the allowable 4 mill they already took last fall.

They attempted to raise the additional 8 mill by resolution in the Kon nected newspaper, not expecting anyone to read it and take action. Only I read it, I study the law and I wrote the  petition. And enough of the West Elk School District agreed with me and signed the petition helping make the proper number of voters to seal the deal. I really appreciate all the good folks that helped by signing the petition. They stopped the Konnected School Board Members in their tracks.

Things of this nature doesn't happen with out all of the good people involve.
Do ou get involved in your community politics in Colorado?
Or are you just a busy body failure in the Elk County Community Politics, you know like
Ms. Kon nected Delaware?

You still fail to answer simple questions! Why? Would you answers shame you?

Let's try again, Okay -OK!

Now that I have that out of the way back on the subject of FREE MONEY  !
Would you please respond to the following that none of you seem to have the courage to do!

Do you believe the Government should should be giving away FREE MONEY ?

How about  thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them FREE MONEY ?

How about FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for illegal immigrants?

How about FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for illegal immigrants?

It's all just taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?

I am anxious to read your response to all of the questions in this post.
Thank You
       and
Have a great day.

Quote from: ROSS on April 11, 2016, 10:32:46 AM
You are such a loser Mr. Colorado talking about what you have apparently no knowledge of!

You continue to fail just like Ms. Kon nected Delaware.

Does anyone else see the pattern, provided?

If you really want to know the truth go read the thread and learn how the Editor of the paper acknowledged being  associated with Elk Kon nected and that is why he refused to print it. His personal bias! His personal paper.

The thread is :
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html

Did you bother to learn of the letter to the editor about the lies of the school superintendent, i showed where the school was indeed receiving more state money than the year before. Did you know about the
Editors Kon nected back stab printing the Kon nected Superintendents letter just below mine.

But also I noticed who ever is feeding false information failed also. They failed to mention I have been the only person (so I've been told) to ever perform and execute the only succesful petition in Elk County. To the Chagrin of the West Elk School Board and The West Elk School Supperintendent? I stopped their sneaky attempt at hiking property taxes by 8 mill beyond the allowable 4 mill they already took last fall.

They attempted to raise the additional 8 mill by resolution in the Kon nected newspaper, not expecting anyone to read it and take action. Only I read it, I study the law and I wrote the  petition. And enough of the West Elk School District agreed with me and signed the petition helping make the proper number of voters to seal the deal. I really appreciate all the good folks that helped by signing the petition. They stopped the Konnected School Board Members in their tracks.

Things of this nature doesn't happen with out all of the good people involve.
Do ou get involved in your community politics in Colorado?
Or are you just a busy body failure in the Elk County Community Politics, you know like
Ms. Kon nected Delaware?

You still fail to answer simple questions! Why? Would you answers shame you?

Let's try again, Okay -OK!

Now that I have that out of the way back on the subject of FREE MONEY  !
Would you please respond to the following that none of you seem to have the courage to do!

Do you believe the Government should should be giving away FREE MONEY ?

How about  thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them FREE MONEY ?

How about FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for illegal immigrants?

How about FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for illegal immigrants?

It's all just taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?

I am anxious to read your response to all of the questions in this post.
Thank You
       and
Have a great day.

Reminds me of an individual who applied for a job and was granted an interview.

When the interviewer asked what his qualifications were, the applicant handed him a file folder an inch or so thick overstuffed with various items, leaned back in his chair, and told the interviewer that he could "read all about me in here."

Needless to say the applicant did not get the job.

You suggested that you had posted "how the Editor of the paper acknowledged being associated with Elk Konnected and that is why he refused to print it."

Why don't you pull that information from the flotsam and jetsam in your posts and repost it on this forum for all to see?

While you are at it, post a copy of the rejected letter you sent to the editor so we can all read it.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 11, 2016, 01:07:11 PM

Reminds me of an individual who applied for a job and was granted an interview.

When the interviewer asked what his qualifications were, the applicant handed him a file folder an inch or so thick overstuffed with various items, leaned back in his chair, and told the interviewer that he could "read all about me in here."

Needless to say the applicant did not get the job.

You suggested that you had posted "how the Editor of the paper acknowledged being associated with Elk Konnected and that is why he refused to print it."

Why don't you pull that information from the flotsam and jetsam in your posts and repost it on this forum for all to see?

While you are at it, post a copy of the rejected letter you sent to the editor so we can all read it.

Why don't you use you third grade education and go read it?
And try to train that third education on the subject of the thread?
Or is the air to thin in Colorado to focus?
Try real hard to tell us what you really think !

The Devil made me say that, LOL !

Is SOCIALISM really what you believe in ?
Because I see no objection to SOCIALISM from you !
Try to answer the following honestly? Just try!

Quote from: ROSS on April 11, 2016, 10:32:46 AM
the subject of FREE MONEY  !
Would you please respond to the following that none of you seem to have the courage to do!

Do you believe the Government should should be giving away FREE MONEY ?

How about  thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them FREE MONEY ?

How about FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for illegal immigrants?

How about FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for illegal immigrants?

It's all just taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?

I am anxious to read your response to all of the questions in this post.
Thank You
       and
Have a great day.

Here, again, is your statement concerning the newspaper editor refusing to print your letter:

"If you really want to know the truth go read the thread and learn how the Editor of the paper acknowledged being associated with Elk Kon nected and that is why he refused to print it."

You might think the editor acknowledged being associated with Elk Konnected. And you might think he refused to print it because of his association with Elk Konnected. But your thoughts are as far as it goes. That information exists only from the fertile imagination in your head and nowhere else.

Post anything you have in which the editor acknowledged being Elk Konnected and as a result refused to print your letter.

And post that rejected letter you wrote to the editor. Many people would like to see it.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 11, 2016, 07:01:17 PM
Here, again, is your statement concerning the newspaper editor refusing to print your letter:

"If you really want to know the truth go read the thread and learn how the Editor of the paper acknowledged being associated with Elk Kon nected and that is why he refused to print it."

You might think the editor acknowledged being associated with Elk Konnected. And you might think he refused to print it because of his association with Elk Konnected. But your thoughts are as far as it goes. That information exists only from the fertile imagination in your head and nowhere else.

Post anything you have in which the editor acknowledged being Elk Konnected and as a result refused to print your letter.

And post that rejected letter you wrote to the editor. Many people would like to see it.

You are so weird !
Why leave out the full contents?
Oh, you failed to comprehend the full purpose of the message.
Here is a refresher, The whole message. Maybe you didn't get all of it clear over there in Colorado.

Quote from: ROSS on April 11, 2016, 10:32:46 AM
You are such a loser Mr. Colorado talking about what you have apparently no knowledge of!

You continue to fail just like Ms. Kon nected Delaware.

Does anyone else see the pattern, provided?

If you really want to know the truth go read the thread and learn how the Editor of the paper acknowledged being  associated with Elk Kon nected and that is why he refused to print it. His personal bias! His personal paper.

The thread is :
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html

Did you bother to learn of the letter to the editor about the lies of the school superintendent, i showed where the school was indeed receiving more state money than the year before. Did you know about the
Editors Kon nected back stab printing the Kon nected Superintendents letter just below mine.

But also I noticed who ever is feeding false information failed also. They failed to mention I have been the only person (so I've been told) to ever perform and execute the only succesful petition in Elk County. To the Chagrin of the West Elk School Board and The West Elk School Supperintendent? I stopped their sneaky attempt at hiking property taxes by 8 mill beyond the allowable 4 mill they already took last fall.

They attempted to raise the additional 8 mill by resolution in the Kon nected newspaper, not expecting anyone to read it and take action. Only I read it, I study the law and I wrote the  petition. And enough of the West Elk School District agreed with me and signed the petition helping make the proper number of voters to seal the deal. I really appreciate all the good folks that helped by signing the petition. They stopped the Konnected School Board Members in their tracks.

Things of this nature doesn't happen with out all of the good people involve.
Do ou get involved in your community politics in Colorado?
Or are you just a busy body failure in the Elk County Community Politics, you know like
Ms. Kon nected Delaware?

You still fail to answer simple questions! Why? Would you answers shame you?

Let's try again, Okay -OK!

Now that I have that out of the way back on the subject of FREE MONEY  !
Would you please respond to the following that none of you seem to have the courage to do!

Do you believe the Government should should be giving away FREE MONEY ?

How about  thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them FREE MONEY ?

How about FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for illegal immigrants?

How about FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for illegal immigrants?

It's all just taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?

I am anxious to read your response to all of the questions in this post.
Thank You
       and
Have a great day.

Perhaps larger print will make it easier to read and understand:


What has that got to do with the subject of Elk Kon nectd Kounty Kommissioners  giving away taxpayer money as FREE MONEY
in a Socialistic manner ?

What part of the above don't you understand?

But the the TRUTH Mr. Colorado is you are working very hard to silence the TRUTH rather than to engage in civil communication and dialogue that means anything at all.

Quote from: W. Gray on March 30, 2016, 10:30:21 AM
I see in the paper this morning that at the March 14, 2016, county commissioners meeting someone questioned Commissioner Kaminska if she was authorized by the commissioners to solicit free public funds to communities. Kaminska said she is the commissioner in her district and attended the Elk Falls and Longton City Council meetings to inquire about the needs of the cities within her district as the commissioners were considering making a distribution of a portion of the wind farm money to the cities for infrastructural needs.

Commissioner Liebau moved and Commissioner Kaminska seconded the motion to allocate $100,000 of the Wind Farm PILOT money to the five incorporated cities within the county, apportioned by the 2010 population census, with the goal of improving infrastructure. Motion carried 2-1 with Commissioner Hebb opposed.

Sounds like a fair deal for all involved.


That is a nice looking new patch the Elk County sheriff's office adopted.

Here is my original post. The subject of Elk Konnected in relation to this post was brought up by Ross a number times. Since he can't, won't, produce anything concerning Elk Konnected and his letter to the editor, I will get back to the original post and again say that the commissioners' decision sounds like a fair deal for all involved. Some people agree. Some people disagree. If the distribution is that bad of an issue, though, the voters of Elk County will ultimately remove the offending commissioners.

There were 2,882 people in Elk County in the 2010 census. The Census Bureau says 21.3% of that number were under 18, leaving 78.7% or 2268 of the total population that year being of voting age.

The number of Elk County potential voters within the corporate limits of a city works out to 1,361 with 907 outside the corporate areas. Not all will vote, but the odds seem high against the voters disagreeing with the distribution to the five cities by replacing their wayward commissioners.

Modern America is socialist and W Gray is admittly one of them.  Government distribution has become a way of life for most people.  They see it as "fair".  They believe in "equality".  They believe in socialism.  They want government to enforce it and to be their nanny.  Their favor of government tyranny ranks far above American liberty. 

That's why they are Republicans or Obamites (reconstructed Democrats).  They support government tyrants. 

Quote from: W. Gray on April 11, 2016, 09:10:06 PM
Here is my original post. The subject of Elk Konnected in relation to this post was brought up by Ross a number times. Since he can't, won't, produce anything concerning Elk Konnected and his letter to the editor, I will get back to the original post and again say that the commissioners' decision sounds like a fair deal for all involved. Some people agree. Some people disagree. If the distribution is that bad of an issue, though, the voters of Elk County will ultimately remove the offending commissioners.

Your opinion is your opinion alone! Just as my opinions are my own!


Please explain for me and the readers how putting people on WELFARE and keeping them there, which is another form of Socialism is good for the people?

Please explain for me and the readers why distribution of taxpayer dollars in the form of Socialism is good for anyone?

Please explain for me and the readers how Socialism makes people and Governments responsible for their own actions?


That was a lie, That I brought up a letter to the letter to the Konnected editor was never brought up by me, but I let your lie slide. It is still a lie. But now you repeat it.  !Ross did not bring up the letter you are speaking of, you Elk Kon nected Followers did in an attempt to change the subject. The letter you are speaking of is at least 5 years old and of no interest to this subject. So please stop lying.

Yet another lie ! I did provide tons of information concerning Elk Konnected for you. You simply choose not to read it. Here is the link once again for you Mr. Colorado :

http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html

Quote from: W. Gray on April 11, 2016, 09:10:06 PM
There were 2,882 people in Elk County in the 2010 census. The Census Bureau says 21.3% of that number were under 18, leaving 78.7% or 2268 of the total population that year being of voting age.

But we are not operating in the year 2010 are we Mr Colorado?
And this is April 2016 ! And there is no population count for 2016. The latest I can find is for 2013 and the population shown is  2655 which is a decline of 227 in the population.
Perhaps over the next 3 years the drop has been even more. Who knows.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Elk+County%2C+Kansas+population

Which brings to mind that Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska stated at a recent County Commissioners meeting we are predicted by (I believe she said KSU) that our population will drop yet another 30% and it will be difficult to maintain the County Business at that time, And I stated, that is all the more reason to save OUR county taxpayers money and invest it.

Quote from: W. Gray on April 11, 2016, 09:10:06 PM
The number of Elk County potential voters within the corporate limits of a city works out to 1,361 with 907 outside the corporate areas. Not all will vote, but the odds seem high against the voters disagreeing with the distribution to the five cities by replacing their wayward commissioners.

Flawed again! Failed again!

Our county is divided into three districts and it is only district 3 that has a seat up for vote in the upcoming election. And since you live in Colorado you have no idea what the attitude is here locally about wayward Kommissioners you mentioned!

Since you portray that you approve of Socialism by your mislead information, I will ask you for the third or forth time to answer a few very simple questions ! But,  I expect like the good liberal that you are, living way over there in Colorado, that you will not answer.

But, I will give you the benefit of the doubt by asking once again!
(Quoted and Copied and pasted so as not to change the questions !

Quote from: ROSS on April 11, 2016, 10:32:46 AM
Let's try again, Okay -OK!

Now that I have that out of the way back on the subject of FREE MONEY  !
Would you please respond to the following that none of you seem to have the courage to do!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away FREE MONEY ?
How about  thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them FREE MONEY ?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for illegal immigrants?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for illegal immigrants?
It's all just taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?
I am anxious to read your response to all of the questions in this post.
Thank You
       and
Have a great day.

Won't you at least give it a try, a try to answer ?

Not completely sure but I think Gary Hebb is up for re-election.

Quote from: proelkco on April 12, 2016, 08:46:08 PM
Not completely sure but I think Gary Hebb is up for re-election.

No Liebau in District 3 seat is up for voting.
I would not count on re-election. LOL

We don't need Kon nected  SOCIALISM

We don't need a Bernie Sanders!


We don't need the County Court House to continue being the County Welfare Office.


SOCIALISM is for other countries we are a REPUBLIC !

Quote from: proelkco on April 11, 2016, 08:10:18 AM
If you would get off the Elk Konnected issue, maybe more people would try to read your posts. Elk Konnected has not been an issue for over a year. And yes I did support them as at least they were trying to do something for county as a whole.

Why should anybody or any organization need to do something for the county using socialist methods and tactics?  Seems to me that American liberty is much more important than somebody's love for their county or its government.

The cost of $100,000 may not seem like much to you or it may seem like a lot, but it's those kinds of broad based thinking and policy that is destroying America.  You can call it Republican for sure, but you can not call it patriotic.

Quote from: ROSS on April 12, 2016, 09:01:54 PM


SOCIALISM is for other countries we are a REPUBLIC !

What is it that you are trying to say about a republic?

I thought i understood what all the Elk Kounty Welfare and SOCIALISM was about !

Boy I was wrong. And I got corrected this morning!




The Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners didn't go Socialist with taxpayers money as FREE MONEY last year did they?

This year is different, I was informed the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners are using their positions to buy votes !

Oh yea, I believe that!     But I hope the voters are smarter than to be bought so cheaply?

Of the two Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Liebau of District 3 has the seat that is up for vote. And I have been informed they are very concerned about an honest man competing against Liebau.

Try to recall what happened the last time Liebau ran. They convinced a third man to run for the seat.
Most likely to cause the vote to be split hoping to insure the re-election of Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau. And it worked.

Now I am not asking any one to believe any thing I post. I only ask that you think about it and discuss it.
I don;t even care if you cuss me, but please discuss this information.

I have to make a correction.

I was just informed that 2 seats for Elk County Commissioner are open for vote this year.

District 2, Gary Hebb
(http://elkcountyks.org/images/district2.jpg)

District 3, K.R 'Kenny' Liebau
(http://elkcountyks.org/images/district3.jpg)

I have no idea why one picture is larger than the other, I got both pictures from the same county page.
http://elkcountyks.org/commission.asp

Quote from: W. Gray on April 13, 2016, 07:54:17 AM
What is it that you are trying to say about a republic?

Why are you asking the question?   

Why are you asking about someone elses question about a republic? ;D

There is no such thing as free money.The pilot funds are called that because they are not taxes.So they should provide more than we all ready have.If you have a problem with it take it up with the local governments that are getting the funds.And for everyones information i'm not connected with Elk Connected.

But you don't understand. Unless you are very vocal about being anti Elk County Gov't, you are automatically Elk Konnected. Ya can't avoid it...so says Da Boss.

I am connected to Elk county cuz I actually live here.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 14, 2016, 04:37:29 PM
Why are you asking about someone elses question about a republic? ;D

Why are you asking about someone else's question about asking the question asking about a republic?

I just don't think that is very bright, pretty funny though!

Next I expect you to ask why I'm asking about someone else's question about asking the question asking about a republic !

So go ahead and show us as to what depth you will go nonsensically with this type of a Conversation. Lacking the ability to grasp the purpose of asking why the question in the first place.

And when you are done go sit in the corner.

FUNNY, FUNNY, FUNNY !

Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 14, 2016, 05:49:03 PM
But you don't understand. Unless you are very vocal about being anti Elk County Gov't, you are automatically Elk Konnected. Ya can't avoid it...so says Da Boss.

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You are full of it.

I am not anti-Elk County Government. You have everything all screwed up really bad.

But when elected officials admit or don't deny being Elk Kon nected they are working for a very small group of people in Elk County and not working for the best interest of all of the people in Elk County. Plain and simple. But since yo have admitted to being Elk Kon nected on another thread you can not open your mind or your eyes to the truth. Even in Delaware you think you know what is going on here in Elk County, Kansas when you really don't.

"Da Boss", be the "Old Guard in a New Dress!" Give that some thought. It was explained very well to you on the other thread. But, I forget you don't read for comprehension way over there in Delaware.

Don't stress so much over what you can not comprehend. You explained very well that you believe in organizations that tell you how and what to think and do. We don't offer an organization here for you, so stressing is hard on you.

So calm down relax and live in Delaware.

And let us live here.

You have my sympathies.

Quote from: upoladeb on April 14, 2016, 05:43:42 PM
There is no such thing as free money.The pilot funds are called that because they are not taxes.So they should provide more than we all ready have. If you have a problem with it take it up with the local governments that are getting the funds.And for everyones information i'm not connected with Elk Connected.

I am proud of you for that last statement.

Upoladeb I have to disagree with you.

What they call the wind farm money is not the wind farm money, it is county money!
Just like when I pay my taxes it is no longer refered to as Ross's money..
All money the Elk County Government is for County Business, not money to be given away in a Socialist manner as FREE MONEY.

Next the Wind Farm Pays P.I.L.O.T. money which means Payment In instead of full Taxation.
And that simply means they are not paying the full value of property tax as you and I do.
If they were paying full property taxes as you and I do, my best guess is they would be paying something like $6 million Dollars. And I would bet money that the wind farm takes a Federal tax deduction for the money they pay to the county as a tax. Also they would be paying School Property taxes as well.

As I have pointed out many times on this forum they are reading this form if they are any kind ofleaders to know what is going on.

The truth is if the county does not see fit to use money wisely and want to give it away they should return it to all taxpayers not just a few. There are elderly people in this county that do without due to high property  tax rates. And then if the individual communities want to raise their taxes and their residents approve, good deal.

It iswhen you take money from some people and give it away to other people.

It is FREE MONEY when it is given away.

If our county commissioners were smart they would hold all that money and invest it wisely and eventually Elk County would have enough income from it to operate without property taxes. But even then the county's main function would be to serve the county residents.

Also the County Commissioners have not paid off all the County's debt. What should come first paying off the County's debt of giving away FREE MONEY! And it is FREE MONEY because it is not a loan and is not being required to be returned.

And as someone pointed out to me adding to this mis-justice is it is an election year and votes are being bought. That is very easy to understand because it has not been attempted at any other time.

Thanks for joining the conversation.

Quote from: upoladeb on April 14, 2016, 06:36:58 PM
I am connected to Elk county cuz I actually live here.

Yes your are and i am proud of that!

Except you all don't want Elk County to be connected to socialism. 

You don't want overseers at the County Courthouse running it as a Distribution Center.

After all, this isn't Cuba or the Soviet Union.

Nor is county government to be ran like a Walmart or Dollar General.

Think liberty.