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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Varmit on January 24, 2013, 03:47:33 PM

Title: This won't end well...
Post by: Varmit on January 24, 2013, 03:47:33 PM
Does China Plan To Establish "China Cities" And "Special Economic Zones" All Over America?
       

Michael Snyder
Economic Collapse
Jan 23, 2013

What in the world is China up to?  Over the past several years, the Chinese government and large Chinese corporations (which are often at least partially owned by the government) have been systematically buying up businesses, homes, farmland, real estate, infrastructure and natural resources all over America.  In some cases, China appears to be attempting to purchase entire communities in one fell swoop.  So why is this happening?  Is this some form of "economic colonization" that is taking place?  Some have speculated that China may be intending to establish "special economic zones" inside the United States modeled after the very successful Chinese city of Shenzhen.  Back in the 1970s, Shenzhen was just a very small fishing village, but now it is a sprawling metropolis of over 14 million people.  Initially, these "special economic zones" were only established within China, but now the Chinese government has been buying huge tracts of land in foreign countries such as Nigeria and establishing special economic zones in those nations.  So could such a thing actually happen in America?  Well, according to Dr. Jerome Corsi, a plan being pushed by the Chinese Central Bank would set up "development zones" in the United States that would allow China to "establish Chinese-owned businesses and bring in its citizens to the U.S. to work."  Under the plan, some of the $1.17 trillion that the U.S. owes China would be converted from debt to "equity".  As a result, "China would own U.S. businesses, U.S. infrastructure and U.S. high-value land, all with a U.S. government guarantee against loss."  Does all of this sound far-fetched?  Well, it isn't.  In fact, the economic colonization of America is already far more advanced than most Americans would dare to imagine.

So how in the world did we get to this point?  A few decades ago, the United States was the unchallenged economic powerhouse of the world and China was essentially a third world country.

So what happened?

Well, we entered into a whole bunch of extremely unfavorable "free trade" agreements, and countries such as China began to aggressively use "free trade" as an economic weapon against us.

Over the past decade, we have lost tens of thousands of businesses and millions of jobs to China.  When the final numbers for 2012 come out, our trade deficit with China for the year will be well over 300 billion dollars, and that will be the largest trade deficit that one country has had with another country in the history of the world.

Overall, the U.S. has run a trade deficit with China over the past decade that comes to more than 2.3 trillion dollars.  That 2.3 trillion dollars could have gone to U.S. businesses and U.S. workers, and in turn taxes would have been paid on all of that money.  But instead, all of that money went to China.

Rather than just sitting on all of that money, China has been lending much of it back to us – at interest.  We now owe China more than a trillion dollars, and our politicians are constantly pleading with China to lend more money to us so that we can finance our exploding debt.

Today, the U.S. government pays China approximately 100 million dollars a day in interest on the debt that we owe them.  Those that say that the U.S. debt "does not matter" are being incredibly foolish.

So thanks to our massive trade deficit and our exploding national debt, China is systematically getting wealthier and the United States is systematically getting poorer.

And now China is starting to use a lot of that wealth to aggressively expand their power and influence around the globe.

But isn't it more than a bit far-fetched to suggest that China may be planning to establish Chinese cities and special economic zones in America?

Not really.

Just look at what has already happened up in Canada.  It is well-known that the Chinese population of Vancouver, Canada has absolutely exploded in recent years.  In fact, the Vancouver suburb of Richmond is now approximately half Chinese.  The following is an excerpt from a BBC article...

Richmond is North America's most Asian city – 50% of residents here identify themselves as Chinese. But it's not just here that the Chinese community in British Columbia (BC) – some 407,000 strong – has left its mark. All across Vancouver, Chinese-Canadians have helped shape the local landscape.

A similar thing is happening in many communities along the west coast of the United States.  In fact, Chinese citizens purchased one out of every ten homes that were sold in the state of California in 2011.

But in other areas of the United States, the Chinese are approaching things much more systematically.

For example, as I have written about previously, a Chinese group identified as "Sino-Michigan Properties LLC" has purchased 200 acres of land near the town of Milan, Michigan.  Their stated goal is to build a "China City" that has artificial lakes, a Chinese cultural center and hundreds of housing units for Chinese citizens.

In other instances, large chunks of real estate in major U.S. cities that are down on their luck are being snapped up by Chinese investors.  Just check out what a Fortune article from a while back says has been happening over in Toledo, Ohio...

In March 2011, Chinese investors paid $2.15 million cash for a restaurant complex on the Maumee River in Toledo, Ohio. Soon they put down another $3.8 million on 69 acres of newly decontaminated land in the city's Marina District, promising to invest $200 million in a new residential-commercial development. That September, another Chinese firm spent $3 million for an aging hotel across a nearby bridge with a view of the minor league ballpark.

Toledo is being promoted to Chinese investors as a "5-star logistics region".  From Toledo it is very easy to get to Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Columbus and Indianapolis...

With a population of 287,000, Toledo is only the fourth largest city in Ohio, but it lies at the junction of two important highways — I-75 and I-80/90. "My vision is to make Toledo a true international city," Toledo's Mayor Mike Bell told the Toledo Blade.

But some of these deals appear to be about far more than just making "investments".  According to the Idaho Statesman, a Chinese company known as Sinomach (which is actually controlled by the Chinese government) was actually interested in developing a 50 square mile self-sustaining "technology zone" south of the Boise airport...

A Chinese national company is interested in developing a 10,000- to 30,000-acre technology zone for industry, retail centers and homes south of the Boise Airport.

Officials of the China National Machinery Industry Corp. have broached the idea — based on a concept popular in China today — to city and state leaders.

The article suggested that this "technology zone" would be modeled after similar projects that already exist in China, and that Chinese officials were conducting similar negotiations with other U.S. states as well...

Sinomach is not looking only at Idaho.

The company sent delegations to Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania this year to talk about setting up research and development bases and industrial parks. It has an interest in electric transmission projects and alternative energy as well.

The technology zone proposal follows a model of science, technology and industrial parks in China — often fully contained cities with all services included.

Thankfully the deal in Idaho appears to be stalled for now, but could we soon see China establish special economic zones in other communities all around America?

The Chinese certainly do seem to be laying the groundwork for something.  They have been voraciously gobbling up important infrastructure all over the country.  The following comes from a recentAmerican Free Press article...

In addition to already owning vital ports in Long Beach, Calif. and Boston, Mass., the China Ocean Shipping Company is eyeing major ports on the East Coast and Gulf of Mexico. China also owns access to ports at the entry and exit points of the Panama Canal.

And due to fiscal woes plaguing many American cities and states, U.S. legislators have been actively seeking out Chinese investors. In one of the worst cases, Baton Rouge, La., Mayor Kip Holden offered the Chinese government ownership and operating rights to a new toll way system if the Chinese would provide the funding to build it.

Does it make sense for the Chinese to own some of our most important ports?

Isn't there a national security risk?

Sadly, there isn't much of anything that our politicians won't sell these days as long as someone is willing to flash a lot of cash.

The Chinese have also been busy buying up important real estate on the east coast as a recent Forbes article explained....

According to a recent report in the New York Times, investors from China are "snapping up luxury apartments" and are planning to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on commercial and residential projects like Atlantic Yards in Brooklyn. Chinese companies also have signed major leases at the Empire State Building and at 1 World Trade Center, the report said.

But it is not only just land and infrastructure that the Chinese have been buying up.

They have also been purchasing rights to vital oil and natural gas deposits all over the United States.

There have been two Chinese companies that have been primarily involved in this effort.

The first is the China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC).  According to Wikipedia, CNOOC is 100 percent owned by the Chinese government...

CNOOC Group is a state-owned oil company, fully owned by the Government of the People's Republic of China, and the State-Owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the State Council (SASAC) performs the rights and obligations of shareholder on behalf of the government.

The second is Sinopec Corporation.  Sinopec Group is the largest shareholder (approx. 75% ownership) in Sinopec Corporation.  And asthe Sinopec website tells us, Sinopec Group is fully owned by the Chinese government...

Sinopec Group, the largest shareholder of Sinopec Corp., is a super-large petroleum and petrochemical group incorporated by the State in 1998 based on the former China Petrochemical Corporation. Funded by the State, it is a State authorized investment arm and State-owned controlling company.

So whenever you see CNOOC or Sinopec, you can replace those names with the Chinese government.  The Chinese government essentially runs both of those companies.

And as you can see from the following list compiled by the Wall Street Journal, those two companies have been extremely aggressive in buying up rights to oil and natural gas all over the nation...

Colorado: Cnooc gained a one-third stake in 800,000 acres in northeast Colorado and southeast Wyoming in a $1.27 billion pact with Chesapeake Energy Corp.

Louisiana: Sinopec has a one-third interest in 265,000 acres in the Tuscaloosa Marine Shale after a broader $2.5-billion deal with Devon Energy.

Michigan: Sinopec gained a one-third interest in 350,000 acres in a larger $2.5 billion deal with Devon Energy.

Ohio: Sinopec acquired a one-third stake in Devon Energy's 235,000 Utica Shale acres in a larger $2.5 billion deal.

Oklahoma: Sinopec has a one-third interest in 215,000 acres in a broader $2.5 billion deal with Devon Energy.

Texas: Cnooc acquired a one-third interest in Chesapeake Energy's 600,000 acres in the Eagle Ford Shale in a $2.16-billion deal.

Wyoming: Cnooc has a one-third stake in 800,000 acres in northeast Colorado and southeast Wyoming after a $1.27 billion pact with Chesapeake Energy. Sinopec gained a one-third interest in Devon Energy's 320,000 acres as part of a larger $2.5 billion deal.

Gulf of Mexico: Cnooc Ltd. separately acquired minority stakes in some of Statoil ASA's leases as well as six of Nexen Inc.'s deep-water wells.

So why is the U.S. government allowing this?

That is a very good question.

For a nation that purports to be pursuing "energy independence", we sure do have a funny way of going about things.

Unfortunately, the sad truth is that China is absolutely mopping the floor with the United States on the global economic stage.  China is rising and America is in an advanced state of decline.  Global economic power has shifted dramatically and most Americans still don't understand what has happened.

The following are 44 more signs of how dominant the economy of China has become...

1. A Chinese firm recently made a $2.6 billion offer to buy movie theater chain AMC.

2. A different Chinese firm made a $1.8 billion offer to buy aircraft maker Hawker Beechcraft.

3. In December it was announced that a Chinese group would be purchasing AIG's plane leasing unit for $4.23 billion.

4. It was recently announced that the Federal Reserve will now allow Chinese banks to buy up American banks.

5. A $190 million bridge project up in Alaska was awarded to a Chinese firm.

6. A $400 million contract to renovate the Alexander Hamilton bridge in New York was awarded to a Chinese firm.

7. A $7.2 billion contract to construct a new bridge between San Francisco and Oakland was awarded to a Chinese firm.

8. The uniforms for the U.S. Olympic team were made in China.

9. 85 percent of all artificial Christmas trees are made in China.

10. The new World Trade Center tower is going to include glass that has been imported from China.

11. The new Martin Luther King memorial on the National Mall was made in China.

12. In 2001, American consumers spent 102 billion dollars on products made in China.  In 2011, American consumers spent 399 billion dollarson products made in China.

13. The United States spends about 4 dollars on goods and services from China for every one dollar that China spends on goods and services from the United States.

14. According to the New York Times, a Jeep Grand Cherokee that costs $27,490 in the United States costs about $85,000 in China thanks to all the tariffs.

15. The Chinese economy has grown 7 times faster than the U.S. economy has over the past decade.

16. The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000.

17. The United States has lost an average of 50,000 manufacturing jobs per month since China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.

18. Overall, the United States has lost a total of more than 56,000manufacturing facilities since 2001.

19. According to the Economic Policy Institute, America is losing half a million jobs to China every single year.

20. Between December 2000 and December 2010, 38 percent of the manufacturing jobs in Ohio were lost, 42 percent of the manufacturing jobs in North Carolina were lost and 48 percent of the manufacturing jobs in Michigan were lost.

21. In 2010, China produced more than twice as many automobiles as the United States did.

22. Since the auto industry bailout, approximately 70 percent of all GM vehicles have been built outside the United States.

23. After being bailed out by U.S. taxpayers, General Motors is currently involved in 11 joint ventures with companies owned by the Chinese government.  The price for entering into many of these "joint ventures" was a transfer of "state of the art technology" from General Motors to the communist Chinese.

24. Back in 1998, the United States had 25 percent of the world's high-tech export market and China had just 10 percent. Ten years later, the United States had less than 15 percent and China's share had soared to 20 percent.

25. The United States has lost more than a quarter of all of its high-tech manufacturing jobs over the past ten years.

26. China's number one export to the U.S. is computer equipment.

27. The number one U.S. export to China is "scrap and trash".

28. The U.S. trade deficit with China is now more than 28 times largerthan it was back in 1990.

29. Back in 1985, the U.S. trade deficit with China was just 6 million dollars for the entire year.  For the month of November 2012 alone, the U.S. trade deficit with China was 28.9 billion dollars.

30. China now consumes more energy than the United States does.

31. China is now the leading manufacturer of goods in the entire world.

32. China uses more cement than the rest of the world combined.

33. China is now the number one producer of wind and solar power on the entire globe.

34. Today, China produces nearly twice as much beer as the United States does.

35. Right now, China is producing more than three times as much coal as the United States does.

36. China now produces 11 times as much steel as the United States does.

37. China produces more than 90 percent of the global supply of rare earth elements.

38. China is now the number one supplier of components that are critical to the operation of U.S. defense systems.

39. A recent investigation by the U.S. Senate Committee on Armed Services found more than one million counterfeit Chinese parts in the Department of Defense supply chain.

40. 15 years ago, China was 14th in the world in published scientific research articles.  But now, China is expected to pass the United States and become number one very shortly.

41. China now awards more doctoral degrees in engineering each year than the United States does.

42. According to one study, the Chinese economy already has roughly the same amount of purchasing power as the U.S. economy does.

43. According to the IMF, China will pass the United States and will become the largest economy in the world in 2016.

44. Nobel economist Robert W. Fogel of the University of Chicago is projecting that the Chinese economy will be three times larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2040 if current trends continue.

Without the "globalization" of the world economy, none of this would have ever happened.  But instead of admitting our mistakes and fixing them, our politicians continue to press for even more "free trade" and even more integration with communist nations such as China.

In fact, according to Dr. Jerome Corsi, the U.S. government has already set up 257 "foreign trade zones" all over America.  These "foreign trade zones" are apparently given "special U.S. customs treatment" and are used to promote "free trade"...

Corsi noted that the U.S. government has created 257 foreign trade zones, or FTZs, throughout the United States, designed to extend special U.S. customs treatment to U.S. plants engaged in international-trade-related activities.

The FTZs tend to be located near airports, with easy access into the continental NAFTA and WTO multi-modal transportation systems being created to move free-trade goods cheaply, quickly and efficiently throughout the continent of North America.

"There is nothing in the U.S. government's description of FTZs that would prevent a foreign government, like China, from operating a shell U.S. company that is in reality owned and financed by the Chinese government and operated through a Chinese government-owned corporation," Corsi wrote.

Sadly, we are probably going to see a whole lot more of this in the years ahead.

According to Corsi, a professor of economics at Tsighua University in Beijing named Yu Qiao has suggested the following plan as a way to transform the debt that the United States owes China into something more "tangible"...
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
China would negotiate with the U.S. government to create a "crisis relief facility," or CRF. The CRF "would be used alongside U.S. federal efforts to stabilize the banking system and to invest in capital-intensive infrastructure projects such as high-speed railroad from Boston to Washington, D.C.
China would pool a portion of its holdings of Treasury bonds under the CFR umbrella to convert sovereign debt into equity. Any CFR funds that were designated for investment in U.S. corporations would still be owned and managed by U.S. equity holders, with the Asians holding minority equity shares "that would, like preferred stock, be convertible."
The U.S. government would act as a guarantor, "providing a sovereign guarantee scheme to assure the investment principal of the CRF against possible default of targeted companies or projects".
The Federal Reserve would set up a special account to supply the liquidity the CRF would require to swap sovereign debt into industrial investment in the United States.
Apparently the Bank of China really likes this plan and would like to see something like this implemented.

In the years ahead, perhaps many of you will end up working in a "special economic zone" for a Chinese company on a project that is being financially guaranteed by the U.S. government.

If that sounds like a form of slavery to you, the truth is that you are probably not too far off the mark.

The borrower is the servant of the lender, and we should have never allowed ourselves to get into so much debt.

Now we will pay the price.

To get an idea of how much the world has changed in recent years, just check out this incredible photo which contrasts the decline of Detroit over the years with the amazing rise of Shanghai, China.

Things did not have to turn out this way.  Unfortunately, we made decades of incredibly foolish decisions and we wrecked the greatest economic machine that the world has ever seen.

Now the future for America looks really bleak.
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Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Warph on January 25, 2013, 09:16:40 PM
Quote from: Varmit on January 24, 2013, 03:47:33 PM
Does China Plan To Establish "China Cities" And "Special Economic Zones" All Over America?
       
To get an idea of how much the world has changed in recent years, just check out this incredible photo which contrasts the decline of Detroit over the years with the amazing rise of Shanghai, China.

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Anyone know how to say "from my cold dead hands" in chinese?


I do love this site... tells like it is.  It's a shame no one is listening.

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Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Varmit on January 26, 2013, 10:35:03 AM
Speaking of little red books....so my daughter just showed me the new song that they are learning in her music class.  Its called 'Xiao yin chuan (silver moon boat)"  its a folk song from china.  Pubished by Pearson Education Inc.......shes in the second grade. 

Now maybe I'm just paranoid, but I find it just a little creepy.
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Diane Amberg on January 26, 2013, 10:44:23 AM
 ;D ;D ;D You are very paranoid,we all know that...and very spooky. ::)
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Warph on January 26, 2013, 03:20:45 PM
Only the STRONG will survive.  Unfortunately, it will NOT be us.  The way things are going, we're not even in the running.  It is just a matter of time, I'm afraid... and I pray I'm not around to see it!    


"There are a whole bunch of things about 2013 that we already know are going to stink.  Taxes are going to go up, good paying jobs will continue to leave the country, small businesses will continue to be destroyed, the number of Americans living in poverty will continue to soar, our infrastructure will continue to decay, global food supplies will likely continue to dwindle and the U.S. national debt will continue to explode.  Our politicians continue to pursue the same policies that got us into this mess, and yet they continue to expect things to magically turn around.  But that is not the way that things work in the real world.  Bad decisions lead to bad outcomes.  Instead of realizing that what we are doing is not working, our "leaders" continue to give us more of the same.  As a result, there are going to be a lot of things about 2013 that will not be great.  Sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that everything will be "okay" somehow is not going to help anyone.  We've got to make people understand exactly what is happening and why it is happening if we ever hope to see real changes."
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Patriot on January 26, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 26, 2013, 10:44:23 AM
;D ;D ;D You are very paranoid,we all know that...and very spooky. ::)

And there are those who 'know' you're a closet communist propagandist ... what's your point?

Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Diane Amberg on January 26, 2013, 03:57:39 PM
I was not writing to you. He knows exactly what I mean and why. I don't need to make a point for you, the local party of "no'.  :P
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Patriot on January 26, 2013, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 26, 2013, 03:57:39 PM
I was not writing to you. He knows exactly what I mean and why. I don't need to make a point for you, the local party of "no'.  :P

Took the bait, didn't ya, comrade?   ;D

Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Warph on January 27, 2013, 12:35:47 AM
uh, oh... this won't end well.
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Diane Amberg on January 27, 2013, 10:27:55 AM
Sure it will.. I just jumped in the boat, bit him in the throat, took out his carotid artery and he bled to death.  ;)
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: kshillbillys on January 27, 2013, 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 27, 2013, 10:27:55 AM
Sure it will.. I just jumped in the boat, bit him in the throat, took out his carotid artery and he bled to death.  ;)

We in the House of Walker, all think you are psychotic, yet you think Varmit is paranoid and spooky? I don't agree with everything that Varmit says but paranoid and spooky, he is NOT. But now you're going all vampire on Patriot...geez. You are CRAZY!
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Varmit on January 27, 2013, 11:11:13 AM
Kshillbilly, you don't think I'm paraonoid or spooky....now thats just hurtful!  ;)

Seriously though, I do find the fact that china is obviously gearing up for something just to coincidental for my taste.  They hold the largest portion of our debt, they own more land in the u.s. then anyother country, we are about to default on our debts,  they want us disarmed...yeah, nothing to see here at all, no reason to worry....hey look what this hand is doing!!
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Diane Amberg on January 27, 2013, 12:21:16 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D Nope not crazy, but I'll grab any legitimate chance to be funny when I can. Set it up and I'll use it. Lighten up!. What are ya, a bunch of Puritans?  Varmit knows I was just poking him. He ain't that dumb! Surely Pat can enjoy a joke too.I'm sure they have seen the shows on those fish that jump into boats. They can really hurt people.
  By the way, there is a big move afoot to bring manufacturing back to the US. Distributors here are sick of the poor and inconsistent quality of Chinese parts, tools ,etc. It many take a few years, but it's coming. Poor quality and expensive adulterated foods may see the same fate.
Corn going to fuel instead of chicken and human food is about to create very expensive shortages. We'll see who does what about that.
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: kshillbillys on January 27, 2013, 01:05:55 PM
Laugh my ass off! Poking fun at Varmit? I guess that's a polite way of saying "we screwed you again" like most liberals have done to this country. Varmit is not THAT dumb? Yes picking away at YOUR words is not an attempt to GET YOU, Ms. Paranoid. You may think that you did not insult anyone but apparently your subconscience is the one doing the typing. Just poking at Varmit? I would bet Varmit is laughing his ass off over the great time that he's having with your poking. Remember it's YOUR words that call him paranoid, spooky and that he needs a mental evaluation on his comments of government, neighbors and gun ownership. Just because you say POKE POKE or  ;D ;D ;D ;D doesn't make it humorous. I agree with Jarhead that you are a bully. You can hide your inferences with pokes and smileys, but it's all still there. You're still a liberal nutjob. You say you're not that liberal...I thought you said you were an Independent? Now keep up your delusions of your own self grandeur. You are still nothing.---Jennifer
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Diane Amberg on January 27, 2013, 01:29:46 PM
And the little kid on the playground says "I'd rather be nothing than something like you."
As you can see, I take nothing of this seriously. I learned that several years ago.Ya put on the big girl pantie and deal with it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I see you learned to make big letters...how special of you. Just teasing.
  Varmit does just fine .He doesn't need your help, but suit yourself. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: kshillbillys on January 27, 2013, 02:00:36 PM
The only people I tease with are friends. I don't tease with strangers. Also, here in the Bible belt, true friends stick up for one another because we always have each others' backs. So therefore, when I see something I don't like, I stand up for those I believe in, whether or not they can stand up for themselves. That's just how I roll. Also, I've never heard that comment on a playground, but sticks and stones and blah, blah, blah.---Jennifer
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Diane Amberg on January 27, 2013, 06:15:20 PM
By the way, I just checked on the requirements for the Bible belt and it's "official'' fundamental Baptists. Very interesting. (Seriously,not poking at all.) Did you know some maps don't include Kansas? OK and Tex, but not Kansas. Others have the very southern most fringe of Kansas and then south of that. The descriptions of the people were interesting too, but I won't bother you with that. I still think it's a shame that God told you to beat up on me, but as you said, that's how you roll. bye bye
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: kshillbillys on January 27, 2013, 07:50:01 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 27, 2013, 06:15:20 PM
By the way, I just checked on the requirements for the Bible belt and it's "official'' fundamental Baptists. Very interesting. (Seriously,not poking at all.) Did you know some maps don't include Kansas? OK and Tex, but not Kansas. Others have the very southern most fringe of Kansas and then south of that. The descriptions of the people were interesting too, but I won't bother you with that. I still think it's a shame that God told you to beat up on me, but as you said, that's how you roll. bye bye

Whether or not a map shows all of Kansas in the Bible Belt or not, that is how we are referred. The southern fringe of Kansas in most of those maps includes Elk County. It also says that Christian Church attendance is higher than the nation's average across the Bible Belt.

No, honey, God didn't tell me to "beat up on you," and of course anyone with common sense who can read and comprehend knows that God didn't tell me that. You don't like it when others "twist your words" and you type out a lengthy reply calling them out on it. But you, honey, are the biggest word twister on this forum. People check things that you say because you are caught in several lies, but when you are called on it, you can't back up anything you say and you deflect by calling people names and putting them in their place. I believe I said that "I stand up for those I believe in, whether or not they can stand up for themselves. That's just how I roll." I think it's a shame that you would say something so vile as "God told you to beat up on me." But I've come to expect it from your type.
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: jarhead on January 27, 2013, 08:08:49 PM
Quote from kshillbillys:
People check things that you say because you are caught in several lies

No !!! Tell me it aint true ! Maybe that is why I don't trust her anymore. She seems to be up to something but I aint figgered it out yet. .
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: frawin on January 27, 2013, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: jarhead on January 27, 2013, 08:08:49 PM
Quote from kshillbillys:
People check things that you say because you are caught in several lies

No !!! Tell me it aint true ! Maybe that is why I don't trust her anymore. She seems to be up to something but I aint figgered it out yet. .
I think she is after that big muscular, lean, mean Marine tough body of yours. She always seems to come back to you on the forum. I am trying to get a picture of you two close, not good.
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Bullwinkle on January 28, 2013, 09:07:53 AM
         Her life is a lie.

        I heard she actually lives in an igloo somewhere in Alaska and lives off of blubber.

       Oh, poke, poke. Just joking.  :o :o
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Diane Amberg on January 28, 2013, 09:28:50 AM
I don't "lie" unless it's part of an obvious tall tale,as in my version of a joke..... Unfortunately I get credited for things that I never said and can't be verified, usually by people who WISH I had said those things, whatever they were. By the way y'all did a real funny yesterday. You tell me I'm crazy...but then what does that make you who are talking to 'da crazy lady? HA!
As far as the igloo, it floated off on an ice flow and took my harpoon with it. So I'd live in a nice place on the river in Fairbanks and enjoy moose, fish and deer. Alaska is just beautiful and has lots of jobs available.
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: larryJ on January 28, 2013, 09:51:40 AM
I think she is after that big muscular, lean, mean Marine tough body of yours. She always seems to come back to you on the forum. I am trying to get a picture of you two close, not good.

As you all well know I try to stay away from Politics because I see no need for all the insults, slams, etc. that goes on in here.  There are occasions when I read something that I think I can comment on if I have the knowledge required to share here.

That said.........Hahahahahahhahahahahaha!  I have never met Jarhead, although I would hope someday I would be able to.  As he himself has often stated about his physical appearance, the above comment...muscular, lean, mean, Marine tough body.....just does not fit the image I have of him.   ::)

Larryj *butting out*
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: jarhead on January 28, 2013, 09:01:45 PM
Doc,
Statements like this are why you are not allowed in the politics section. For the record even if you come here you still will not see whether I am a chunky monkey or a lean, mean, green fight'n Marine because I will ambush you and dot both your eyes and you will not see me with both eyes swelled shut !!! :angel: ;D
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: larryJ on January 29, 2013, 09:07:32 AM
LOL!  First of all, tetherneck, it isn't a matter of whether I am "allowed" in Politics or choose to participate on my own terms.  Politics is a thread where ideas or opinions are posted about political situations, but almost always gets down to name-calling, insults and just general nastiness.  When that happens the subject matter of the post becomes non-existent and people start doing all the stuff listed above.  (Pretty much like this one!)

Second, you couldn't ambush a tree even if you were hiding behind one.  Remember, there are three people in the service you don't want to tick off........the personnel guy, the cook.................................and the medic.

Third, you are too nice a guy to want to have to hurt me.  I'm your friend, your pal, a good ole boy that you really deep down appreciate.  Remember that. :angel: ;D

Larryj
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: jarhead on January 29, 2013, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from Larry:
Remember, there are three people in the service you don't want to tick off........the personnel guy, the cook.................................and the medic.


Very good point Doc  :D
Title: Re: This won't end well...
Post by: Anmar on January 30, 2013, 02:30:48 PM
Its long been said that the biggest threat to our national security is the debt and the trade deficit.  Don't blame the push for clean energy for the problem, Blame crooked politicians, big corporations, and ignorant voters.  Elk county sent a representative to the house who is in the pocket of big business.  If you want to fix the problem, start at home.  Will you pay more for american made products?  Are you willing to encourage government to cut defense spending?  Elk county has one of the highest welfare rates in the state of Kansas, are you willing to give up that income stream?  Kansas is one of the "taker" states, receiving more federal money than it puts into the pot.  Time to put your money where you mouth is and make some tough decisions.