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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Patriot on November 19, 2012, 05:48:15 PM

Title: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Patriot on November 19, 2012, 05:48:15 PM

Don't think you're in the crosshairs... think again.

Here's what Agenda 21 "regional planning" can ultimately mean to you, the small rancher or farmer.  And it's beginning to show up into Kansas and Elk County.


My younger brother owns a thirty acre blueberry farm in southern New Jersey, and recently, we have discussed the possibilities of combining forces. He, with his blueberries, and my wife and I with our expertise in poultry, egg, and squab production, together with the addition of any other farm crops that would surely find a ready market in the local area. It is the "garden state", after all, and if you have never had the pleasure of the legendary "Jersey Tomato", then you have missed one of the world's great culinary treats. It sounded like a grand idea, at least on the hypothetical and hopeful face of it. However, just under the surface of it all lurked the state of New Jersey's well deserved reputation for over regulation, government over reach, bureaucratic red tape, and corruption....

...The Pinelands Commission has final authority in what you may do or not do on your own farm. Incredulous, I asked for further clarification on allowable uses of this land. I explained that with the exception of a small pond, there was no standing water or boggy areas on the property. Could we free range some turkeys or other poultry amongst the blueberries, to clean up bugs or weeds? The answer was a resounding "No"!. Could one build a small chicken coop, perhaps even a temporary structure, in an effort to provide a few farm fresh eggs. Again, the answer was no. Could we turn loose a goat, or a cow, or any other livestock animal? You guessed it, the answer was no. Could we plant any type of vegetable anywhere on the property, or start a small home garden, or tend a tomato plant or two? No!, came the response. There is no debate on these matters. There is also no appeal process...

...Who could anticipate that it would be considered an illegal act to harvest a tomato from your own property, in an area known worldwide for the quality of it's essence? How could it be a crime to free range a chicken, and gather it's eggs on a glorious spring morning in the beauty of the pines? How can it be?

..The Pinelands National Reserve may be the most restrictive and intensively managed regional land use regime in the United States. But it gets worse. Did I mention that in 1983 the Pinelands Reserve was designated a U.S. Biosphere Reserve by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, otherwise known as Unesco? Or that in 1988, it was further designated as an International Biosphere Reserve? What mechanism was applied to grant authority to an international
body in the land use decisions of an independent and free nation?

If this concerns or disturbs, you may wish to become acquainted with, and in fact very familiar with, the term "Agenda 21″! This many-headed monster grows larger, and more powerful, every day.


Read the entire nightmare here:  http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/uploads/4/4/6/6/4466371/farming_and_food_tyranny_in_the_land_of_no_posted_on_april_26.pdf

Agenda 21 isn't about Democrats or Republicans.  This is about personal & property rights.  It affects you regardless of your political persuasion or geographic location.  Think:  Flint Hills Plan.  This is just one story comes from  www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com (http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com)


Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 20, 2012, 09:54:04 AM
       I wonder if these organizations had anything to do with the governor's decision not to allow phase 2 of the Caney wind farm.  In my opinion, that was telling land owners what they could or couldn't do with their property, after the planning was already complete and leases signed.

     What is odd, is that he was recently on the front page of the Eagle pushing for tax subsidies for wind power.

     If I lived in Jersey, I would turn out a flock of turkeys, chickens, and sow vegetable seeds every where I went if they told me this BS. Wonder what Johnny Appleseed would have thought?
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Patriot on November 20, 2012, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 20, 2012, 09:54:04 AM
       I wonder if these organizations had anything to do with the governor's decision not to allow phase 2 of the Caney wind farm.  In my opinion, that was telling land owners what they could or couldn't do with their property, after the planning was already complete and leases signed.

And any other such development in eastern Kansas.  But it's interesting that the 'local' citizens who are now foisting Agenda 21 'sustainable' controls of the Flint Hills on the public are the very same folks who previously exercised their political position & power to secure millions of dollars in personal & family benefits for themselves from the existing project...  and who now are pushing for tax rebates for a limited segment of the population under a government controlled Neighborhood Revitalization Plan.... in spite of reasonable objections and with virtually no prior explanation to the public at large.




Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Ross on November 20, 2012, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: Patriot on November 20, 2012, 10:14:09 AM
And any other such development in eastern Kansas.  But it's interesting that the 'local' citizens who are now foisting Agenda 21 'sustainable' controls of the Flint Hills on the public are the very same folks who previously exercised their political position & power to secure millions of dollars in personal & family benefits for themselves from the existing project...  and who now are pushing for tax rebates for a limited segment of the population under a government controlled Neighborhood Revitalization Plan.... in spite of reasonable objections and with virtually no prior explanation to the public at large.

In my opinion it is a scam against the taxpayers of Elk County. Those taxpayersthat pay more then their fair share so others don't have to pay their fair share. I also consider it WELFARE for those that lest need it.
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 20, 2012, 05:56:52 PM
There is no point in turning out chickens in the Pine Barrens of New Jersey. They won't survive. The huge mosquitoes carry them off or the Jersey Devil will take them.
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Patriot on November 20, 2012, 06:02:15 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 20, 2012, 05:56:52 PM
There is no point in turning out chickens in the Pine Barrens of New Jersey. They won't survive. The huge mosquitoes carry them off or the Jersey Devil will take them.

Thanks Delaware Di.  Minimizing the import of implementation of United Nations Agenda 21 programs inside the sovereign United States by both elected officials an through bureaucratic regulation is definitely a laughing matter.  It's really sad that you take the liberty that so many have fought and died to preserve so lightly.
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Ross on November 20, 2012, 06:22:05 PM
Quote from: Patriot on November 20, 2012, 06:02:15 PM
Thanks Delaware Di.  Minimizing the import of implementation of United Nations Agenda 21 programs inside the sovereign United States by both elected officials an through bureaucratic regulation is definitely a laughing matter.  It's really sad that you take the liberty that so many have fought and died to preserve so lightly.

Amen Patriot.

Apparently she does not comprehend the seriousness of the subject.
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 20, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
As far as Jersey goes you don't get it and there is no point trying to explain it to you, you have such closed minds. A lot of people up north there found out the hard way what can happen. Oh well ,they lost everything.Too bad for them, huh. Where there are large populations, it can't be as you have it .Isolated pockets of ugliness doesn't cut it with most.
Back to the dripping ugly twisting I see. It's nice a very few of you run the forum now and can do as you like. You have very few  folks left who are even remotely interested in reading about people being bombed at every post.
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Patriot on November 20, 2012, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 20, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
As far as Jersey goes you don't get it and there is no point trying to explain it to you, you have such closed minds. A lot of people up north there found out the hard way what can happen. Oh well ,they lost everything.Too bad for them, huh. Where there are large populations, it can't be as you have it .Isolated pockets of ugliness doesn't cut it with most.
Back to the dripping ugly twisting I see. It's nice a very few of you run the forum now and can do as you like. You have very few  folks left who are even remotely interested in reading about people being bombed at every post.

No, Diane.. YOU don't get it.  If a man owns a private farm property and wants to take a business risk on that land, so long as that business causes no harm to others, it is his right.  It's not up to government, or you, to tell him he can't to tell him he can't.  

I repeat. It's sad that you have so little regard for the private property rights of others and that you're interpretation of the intent of the Framers regarding the importance of the subject is so patently collectivist & un-American.

Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Ross on November 20, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 20, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
Isolated pockets of ugliness doesn't cut it with most.

That is just plain nasty of you Diane.
Unless you are refering to whats happening in Delaware.
If so, Then, I can't comment, because I don't know Delaware.
Just as you don't know Kansas in my opinion.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 20, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
Back to the dripping ugly twisting I see.

Why do you have such a problem with the truth.
The twisting is coming from you, as in your next quote.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 20, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
It's nice a very few of you run the forum now and can do as you like.

I believe it is the owners of this forum that run this forum. And they make it available for anyone that registers to use it, even you, who in my opinion can not handle the truth.
   
Just like in the next Part of your post.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 20, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
You have very few  folks left who are even remotely interested in reading about people being bombed at every post.

Let's look at the "Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25" thread, that has been running about 20 months? Over that period of time the number of reads on that thread averages out to 171 reads per day. That is far more reads per day than elk konnected, llc ever have attend one of their so called konnected community conversations.  Lately it has been read more then that per day. So try again with more of your B. S. And the truth is not bombing, it's the truth, you don'tseem to comprehend the truth.

I guess it must be all that organizational training you must have received that causes that problem, IDK.
NGO's must be everything to you,
or there is something in your drinking water up there in Delaware?
And I am terribly sorry for you.

Good Night.


Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 21, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
You said as long as he isn't harming others. How do you define that? You weren't talking about Kansas, you were talking about someone in New Jersey. It's not the same and people in NJ know that. As far as the farming part, people apply for exemptions, especially for very old farms that have been in families for many years. What's his problem?
The Pine Barren areas are very sensitive as far as water recharge and run off, rare plants and animals. It's not just miles of good farm land. As far as ''the truth",I'm not sure if you have any idea what you are suggesting.
  Just because it's fashionable to swat me and you are allowed to do it...what do you get out of it? I haven't even been around recently due to my computer being OOS and now I'm trying to learn this much larger keyboard. I've been busy out doing a lot of volunteer work too, but your attention span isn't long enough to be interested in that. Thanksgiving? Ross ....go stuff it!  ;)
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Ross on November 21, 2012, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 21, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
Thanksgiving? Ross ....go stuff it!  ;)

Why, thank you Diane,

I am planning on stuffing the turkey as I do all the Holiday baking around here.

I hope you enjoy stuffing it as well.

Happy  Thanksgiving and I hope you find somethig to be thankful for.

Cheerup it's the holidays.

Happy Holidays to you!
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Patriot on November 21, 2012, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 21, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
You said as long as he isn't harming others. How do you define that? You weren't talking about Kansas, you were talking about someone in New Jersey. It's not the same and people in NJ know that. As far as the farming part, people apply for exemptions, especially for very old farms that have been in families for many years. What's his problem?
The Pine Barren areas are very sensitive as far as water recharge and run off, rare plants and animals. It's not just miles of good farm land.

Read the entire article.  It's so entertaining to watch a collectivist like you ignore the private property rights of the individual, first & foremost.  It's also a testament to your affinity for big government intrusions into the affairs of the individual.  But then, the rights of the individual must be suppressed for the good of the collective, right.  Sad that a member of American society like you believes that way, especially with so much history to prove it's wrongheaded.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 21, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
I haven't even been around recently due to my computer being OOS and now I'm trying to learn this much larger keyboard.

Too bad about your computer.  Maybe you should picket the company that made your computer... the problems must have been the fault of company management & ownership... if only they paid their workers more.... probably a damned non-union shop anyway.  Even so, learning a keyboard can be difficult, I'm sure.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 21, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
Just because it's fashionable to swat me and you are allowed to do it...what do you get out of it?

Quite simply, the satisfaction of watching you flail about in your omniscient socialist rants, rambling like a Myna bird on steroids.  It's worth the price of admission.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 21, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
I've been busy out doing a lot of volunteer work too, but your attention span isn't long enough to be interested in that. Thanksgiving? Ross ....go stuff it!  ;)

Nope, it's not attention span... I just don't give a rats ass.  Thanksgiving?  That's just another day off with pay for you collectivists, right?  It's just a shame the food isn't freely provided by the state.    ::)

P.S.  I'm reminded, at this Thanksgiving time, to thank God for you, Diane.  If for no other reason than people with your ideology serve as a constant reminder to thank Him for the life,  liberty & pursuit of happiness with which He blessed us and for a country that has, for the most part, tried to retain those blessings for all.


Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Patriot on November 21, 2012, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Ross on November 21, 2012, 10:46:26 AM
Why, thank you Diane,

I hope you enjoy stuffing it as well.


ROTFLMAO


Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 21, 2012, 10:57:03 AM
Yup, an 18 pounder with bread, sage, celery, onion, apple, cranberries and enough chicken broth to make it moist. How about yours?
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Teresa on November 23, 2012, 07:47:40 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 20, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
It's nice a very few of you run the forum now and can do as you like. You have very few folks left who are even remotely interested in reading about people being bombed at every post.

Diane~~ I understand that I am getting up there in years~~and I am confused a lot of the time..  ;) but I don't understand what you mean by ~~a very few of you run the forum now and can do as you like.~~ statement..
From where I'm standing, watching and listening I don't see that I have stopped anyone from posting and speaking their mind.. Including you! ~~Sooooooo, enlighten me please on what you meant by that. 
And also.. please tell me how you come to the conclusion that people aren't reading what is being posted in this forum. There aren't a lot of people posting..but there really never have been.
But I will tell you and anyone else that is interested that people ARE reading this forum..
Make of it what you will~~ I can't, nor will I alter anything. It just is what it is.....  :)
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 24, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
A certain few have actually bragged that they can be as hurtful as they want to anyone they want without penalty. I have been able to come up with a number of names..on other avenues... They will no longer post even though they would like to, because of the personal attacks. They have learned that speaking out can have a heavy emotional price to pay. I don't like being singled out as a whipping girl, and as you know, I've learned to fight back when someone makes it personal. They are hoping you'll ban me.
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Ross on November 24, 2012, 01:53:33 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 24, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
A certain few have actually bragged that they can be as hurtful as they want to anyone they want without penalty.

That is completely bothersome and unbelievable! It is terrible statements like that, that invite trouble.
No meat to it, no substance and jus downright ugly! So why invite trouble, is that your goal.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 24, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
I have been able to come up with a number of names..on other avenues... They will no longer post even though they would like to, because of the personal attacks.

I sure hope they are not to far out in the avenues, that could be dangerous, just funning!
This statement is completely bothersome and unbelievable just like the first statement you made.! It is terrible statements like that, that invite trouble.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 24, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
They have learned that speaking out can have a heavy emotional price to pay. I don't like being singled out as a whipping girl, and as you know, I've learned to fight back when someone makes it personal.

You even in a backhanded way put down the owners of this thread that provide it so graciously for each and every one of to use.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 24, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
They are hoping you'll ban me.

Is that your goal to get banned so you can blame others for your own failure.
That is just terrible. You sincerely have my pity. I sincerely, I hope you can obtain help with that problem.

All your statements in this post appear to be empty of anything but maliciousness. So what do you expect?

My, my time to return to the real subject isn't it?



Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Patriot on November 24, 2012, 01:58:13 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 24, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
A certain few have actually bragged that they can be as hurtful as they want to anyone they want without penalty. I have been able to come up with a number of names..on other avenues... They will no longer post even though they would like to, because of the personal attacks. They have learned that speaking out can have a heavy emotional price to pay. I don't like being singled out as a whipping girl, and as you know, I've learned to fight back when someone makes it personal. They are hoping you'll ban me.

Goodness no!  Don't ban Diane!  She has a couple of special positions in The Village... and Chief Tattler is only one of them.

Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 25, 2012, 06:57:41 PM
Of course you never add to the fire yourselves  now do ya?  Personal much? and a lie to top it off. Totally quality work that anyone should admire and plan to emulate, huh? YUK.
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Patriot on November 25, 2012, 07:45:20 PM
YUK?

LMAO

How about those patently UN Agenda 21 regional planning efforts in Kansas & Elk County?

Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 26, 2012, 12:40:20 PM
Honestly, I've too busy with the general situation here,which I won't bore you with, to read it, But I will when I can and see what's what.
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Patriot on November 26, 2012, 06:40:31 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 26, 2012, 12:40:20 PM
Honestly, I've too busy with the general situation here,which I won't bore you with, to read it, But I will when I can and see what's what.

Otay.  And while you're seeing what's what, I'll try to see if I can figure out your sentence.   :) :) :)

Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 26, 2012, 08:33:01 PM
You aren't interested in what's going on here, so I didn't tell about it. What's so hard to figure out ? You're the one who wanted it that way.
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Patriot on November 26, 2012, 09:31:20 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 26, 2012, 08:33:01 PM
What's so hard to figure out ?

Reread that mess of a sentence that you wrote and that I quoted above.  Then maybe you can tell me what's unclear about it.  Talk about grammar & punctuation challenges.  LOL


Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 27, 2012, 09:42:57 AM
        And while you are contemplating your grammar, go back and read this thread from the start. You will find that your first post was all about pretending to "educate" everyone about the area flora and fauna, instead of putting forth any opinion or "fact" about the topic.  ::)   
       You follow that with the usual, " stop picking on me " crap, and it just goes on and on and on and on......... ad nauseum.

       I find it interesting that you claim to be soooooo busy saving the east coast, yet you spend hours on the computer. Perhaps you are electronically helping all those little lost sheep.  :o
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 28, 2012, 11:18:02 AM
First of all, you assume I'm at home when I'm on the computer... Secondly, the flora and fauna business.... I have no idea what you are talking about. Thirdly ...Don't read what I write or don't comment...problem solved.
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 28, 2012, 01:22:49 PM
      I don't believe I said anything about being home. There you go again, hoof in mouth.

     Flora and fauna over your head ? Not suprising. 8)
Title: Re: Agenda 21, Elk County & you, the small farmer and rancher
Post by: Patriot on November 28, 2012, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 28, 2012, 01:22:49 PM
 Flora and fauna over your head ? Not suprising. 8)

I certainly got it... but next time you might reduce it to 'brush, clams & fire trucks' for other, less astute, audience members.  Just to be.............. fair.  ;D

Speaking of Meatless Mondays...