(OMG, Larryj is going to post something in Poliitics.......)
I am curious about the legalities of this killing of this ambassador. Isn't an embassy considered "sovereign territory?" So a murder of this sort could be considered an act of war, right? I saw a tweet from one guy that said we should just level the whole area and pave it. I also see that Hillary has given it lip service.
Obviously, I am sorta angry about this. (Why else would I be in politics?) What kind of reaction should there be? Wars have been started for reasons less serious than this.
Or, am I wrong?
Larry (why am I in Politics) j
Quote from: larryJ on September 12, 2012, 08:36:41 AM
Isn't an embassy considered "sovereign territory?" So a murder of this sort could be considered an act of war, right? I saw a tweet from one guy that said we should just level the whole area and pave it. I also see that Hillary has given it lip service.
Obviously, I am sorta angry about this. (Why else would I be in politics?) What kind of reaction should there be? Wars have been started for reasons less serious than this.
Yes and yes! And you should be angry! These things don't happen unless the victim (us in this case) appear weak to the aggressors. This is the cherry on top of the Jimmy Carter remake. Four more years?
Doc, You are too nice--- "sorta angry ?"--- let it all hang out, --- like me, you are mad enough about this to chew up railroad spikes and shit out 16 penny nails. Granted, I have been called a war monger, but we can not let this kind of crap continue. It has to be nipped in the bud---NOW !!!.
Every day when I read the news I want to pull ol Sarge's three hairs out. We got ol Ben from Israel wanting to talk to the POTUS, but oh no---he's too busy campaigning to worry about Iran wiping Israel from the face of the earth. I hope when ol Ben finally catches up with him, he Jap slaps that big eared clown and tells him how the cow ate the cabbage.
Next news item---some school principal in Oregon says the kiddies bringing P&J sandwiches in their lunch is racist. Yep, peanut and jelly sandwiches is an American thing and the poor kids from Somalia or Mexico find it offensive. What's next---only shit sandwiches to appease the Somalia pups---but---but--what if a Latino child brings tacos--will that offend a Scotts/ Irish child ? Hell no, Jose and little William Wallace will trade half their sandwiches to each other. This aint nothing but a shit stirring liberal teacher wanting to be on The Today Show for her Andy Warhol moment
Back to Libya. I figger one American life is worth is worth 3,413 of those Muslim Brotherhood bastards---so 4 Americans equals---------a whole bunch of them.. Now Doc, aint you sorry you sent me into a rant, by entering the politics world?
No, Jar, I ain't sorry. I think there should be a lot of people ticked about this. I think the whole country should be ticked about this. Back in the day when we were young pups, this country would have gone there the next day and kicked butt and taken names later..........well, maybe not the names part. I think the whole Middle East should be put on notice that such an act is not acceptable and look out.......here we come! Start with the idiots that attacked the embassy and weed out the rest. Here in America we have the right given by our Constitution to yell and scream all we want, but murder is not included in that document. I haven't looked, but if there is a Libyan embassy here, they should be sent home before some of our "radicals" decide to hand out out a little vigilante justice. Correction.....they should just be kicked out of the country, period. To heck with the fact that we get oil from them. We should just tell them to duck and cover. I am anxious to see if there is any deeper action taken by the current Libyan leaders to get those responsible for this terrible incident other than the "apology" being currently issued. I highly doubt it because the new government doesn't seem to have control over things. All this over a stupid film made by an American in America where we have the right to say what we feel.
Larry (getting madder by the minute) j
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Doc,
Looking in the rear view mirror, we wouldn't have all the problems we have today if we had handled the Iran hostage deal, from back in the 70's, differently. These killings at our embassy in Libya has the same smell to it. Not to worry though because the killers will be brought to justice, so says our tough CiC. Why hell, they are ending in a "fast team' of 50 Marines, as we speak ( not sure why so many Marines when a reinforced squad should have be sufficient )
Yes, that is a light hearted stab at humor when this is a serious situation because that is the only way I can keep my sanity. If that is all Prez obama is going to do, then it will be just like Peanuts Carter sitting on his dead gonads while 50 + Americans languished in some shit hole for over a year. Then getting close to election time the POS, FINALLY decided to TRY and rescue them----why am I even going there ? When that chopper crashed and them bastards drug the charred remains of those Marines thru their streets, spitting on them, is probably the closest I ever came to "snapping " and going off the deep end---and my blood boils to even think about it again.
If , and that's a big if, the POTUS does anything it will be because his re-election is in danger and he might have to sacrifice some of his 'brothers" and call them collateral damage, just to look strong. Not for a second do I doubt this whole thing was not orchestrated just for his re-election bid---so we are in a quandary here---let the world see we are weak and they can kill us at will---or help what's his face win another term ? My vote---kill all the sons a bitches , plant Old Glory on their soil, and get to pumping OUR oil wells.
Patriot, you reminded me of a an incident that occurred while I was in Korea. There was a Turkish regiment there as part of the allied forces. We were driving by their area one day and saw a Korean strapped to their front gate. And forgive me for being blunt, he was severely mutilated and dead. The story was he was caught inside the compound stealing from the (muslim) Turks. They didn't have any more problems after that.
Patriot, right on...we need more leaders like Black Jack.
Jar, speaking of Marines, were there supposed to be some guarding the Embassy? I will have to check that out. Even if there were, I am sure they were out-manned.
Larry (still in politics) j
Quote from: jarhead on September 12, 2012, 12:35:22 PM
...then it will be just like Peanuts Carter sitting on his dead gonads while 50 + Americans languished in some shit hole for over a year. Then getting close to election time the POS, FINALLY decided to TRY and rescue them----why am I even going there ? When that chopper crashed...
I was reading daily intel reports at that time... don't forget the C-130s we had to leave there because some dumbass didn't take into account what desert sand sucked into the prop intakes would do. Talk about losing your car keys!
oh i'm pissed as hell about too and this do nothing coward pu**Y that is playing As the POTUS, hasn't released the dogs on this pipsqueak shithole of a country. Just nuke the damn fools and use it as a glass factory.
Quote from: srkruzich on September 12, 2012, 01:10:40 PM
oh i'm pissed as hell about too and this do nothing coward pu**Y that is playing As the POTUS, hasn't released the dogs on this pipsqueak shithole of a country. Just nuke the damn fools and use it as a glass factory.
Now, now.. the libs will want to try diplomacy first. Maybe a round of desert golf and a pyramid peanut summit will smooth things over. Oh, and let's get the Justice Department to go after that American who made the flick that supposedly set this whole thing off. And shame You Tube for keeping it up for all to see. That'll show those peace loving terrorists we're serious!
Quote from Larry:
Jar, speaking of Marines, were there supposed to be some guarding the Embassy? I will have to check that out. Even if there were, I am sure they were out-manned.
As far as I know all US embassies have Marine guards. The first reports said some of them were killed but about an hour ago the Pentagon had a release and said that report was erroneous and no Marines were killed. Maybe the Marine detachment are like the NG troops put on our southern border a couple years back---you can strut around with a weapon but without ammo---and that, I wouldn't doubt.
I can't get away from the TV or computer today, just hoping that any moment there will be a news flash saying that Tripoli is nothing but a smoking pile of rubble---and the Stealth bombers are going back to re-arm---and to borrow a line from Arnold, "I'll be back "
Take control of all the tankers and cargo ships registered in Libya. By force is necessary. We see them here quite often. Then take a good look at how the military JAG corps are running things now. They are causing real problems. Apparently when there are civilians around the officers have to get "permission" to order fire. Someone please tell me this is bogus!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 12, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
Take control of all the tankers and cargo ships registered in Libya. By force is necessary. We see them here quite often. Then take a good look at how the military JAG corps are running things now. They are causing real problems. Apparently when there are civilians around the officers have to get "permission" to order fire. Someone please tell me this is bogus!
thats what happens when they put a eunich in th white house
If he wants to get reelected showing some spine right now would help.
I need to make some corrections. This was not an embassy, but a consulate, as if that makes any difference. As far as Marine guards, one source says they were there and fired on the attackers. Another source says consulates don't rate a Marine guard. It will be interesting to see where that goes. One source says a Marine was injured and the Marines are saying none of them were injured. A local (SoCal) muslim group is denouncing the whole thing saying that this was an radical group who violated Islamic law. Their spokesperson said, "A anti-Muhammad film made by an extremist Jew, mocking the prophet Muhammad, insulted the Islamic faith and an extremist Islamic group took the bait and reacted in a violent manner, going against Islamic law and committing horrendous crimes."
Wait and see, I guess.
Larry (time to get out of politics) j
Side note:
Having been stationed in a majority Muslim country (Turkey) for 2 years, I'm painfully aware of the existence of their 'insult' laws & the impact of those on westerners (especially those born under American free speech rules). I'm a firm believer in the "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" philosophy. But this reaction was to something done by a non-Roman while not in Rome. Have we become so 'globalfied' as to stand for punishment by proxy as appears to be the case here?
Or was this really just an extensive commemoration of 9/11 by some of the same anti-west mentality that brought down the twin towers 11 years ago? Have we forgotten?
Quote from: Patriot on September 12, 2012, 01:20:30 PM
...let's get the Justice Department to go after that American who made the flick that supposedly set this whole thing off. And shame You Tube for keeping it up for all to see. That'll show those peace loving terrorists we're serious!
Would I kid you?
Egypt to take legal action in US against Prophet film makers
Ynetnews.com
Published: 09.12.12, 19:11 / Israel News
Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi asked the Egyptian embassy in Washington to take legal action in the United States against makers of a film attacking the Muslim Prophet Mohammad, the official state news agency said on Wednesday.
Morsi had requested the mission take "all legal measures", the MENA agency said, without giving further details on what that might involve. (Reuters)Link: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4280756,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4280756,00.html)
Quote from: Patriot on September 12, 2012, 03:29:41 PM
Would I kid you?
Egypt to take legal action in US against Prophet film makers
Ynetnews.com
Published: 09.12.12, 19:11 / Israel News
Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi asked the Egyptian embassy in Washington to take legal action in the United States against makers of a film attacking the Muslim Prophet Mohammad, the official state news agency said on Wednesday.
Morsi had requested the mission take "all legal measures", the MENA agency said, without giving further details on what that might involve. (Reuters)
its a shame we can't email the egyptian government, i have the perfect response to his request it is.....
Sheeet... I go and play golf this morning, first time in 3 weeks since I hurt my shoulder and I come back to this crap in Libya... and to boot, Larryj is doing politics. Did some checking and this is what I came up with:
This is what I got on this:
I understand the consulate is a one-story villa located in a fenced garden in downtown Benghazi and no marine guards. A small contingent of Libyan security forces protecting the facility also fired in the air, trying to intimidate the crowd, according to the deputy interior minister of Libya's eastern region.
The way it went down is anyones guess... details of how the Americans were killed were still being pieced together but, according to dep. minister's account, Stevens went to Benghazi to pickup the american and bring them to Tripoli. Two distinct attacks took place he said Stevens and a consulate staffer who had stayed behind in the building were killed in the initial attack on the consulate. The rest of the staff successfully evacuated to another building nearby, preparing to move to Benghazi Airport after daybreak to fly to the capital, Tripoli, he said. Hours after the storming of the consulate, a separate group of gunmen attacked the other building, opening fire on the more than 30 Americans and Libyans inside. Two more Americans were killed and 32 wounded... 14 Americans and 18 Libyans, he said.
The Doctor who treated Stevens, told the Press that he died of asphyxiation, apparently from smoke. In a sign of the chaos during the attack, Stevens was brought by Libyans to the Benghazi Medical Center with no other Americans and no one at the facility knew who he was. Stevens was practically dead when he arrived and they tried to revive him for an hour and a half, but with no success. The doctor said he was bleeding in his stomach because of the asphyxiation but had no other injuries.
There will probably be a number of stories out before the real facts are given as to what really happened.
Why no Marine guard, you ask?
That's easy. U.S. embassies, particularly in unstable or less secure nations, usually have a resident contingent of Marine security guards. Early indications were that there were not at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. This consulate is a branch office of the embassy in Tripoli. These guards work under the supervision of the senior diplomatic officer at an embassy which was Amb. Stevens and Stevens probably felt they were not needed... he relied on Libby security. What I understand is Stevens was pretty much of a peacenik. Anyway, the main role of Marine security guards is to protect classified national security documents, FIRST... and their secondary role is to protect U.S. citizens and U.S. government property in the event of an emergency. It has always been that way since WW2. It is really the host country's responsibility to provide adequate security for all diplomats inside their country. I understand that a FAST Marine team is on its way to Tripoli.
Thanks Warph. I saw on TV this evening that we give Egypt $1.3 billion a year---and for what---so they can burn our Embassy . The talking head on TV thinks we should withhold the three million , but give them the billion, until the president of Egypt promises us it won't happen again. It is insane. I can picture them dancing around a campfire made of camel chips they gathered from the desert, shooting their AK-47's into the air why they celebrate to our stupidity for buying their weapons with the $1.3 billion a year we give them !!!!
This is the speech I would have liked to have heard from Presidential candidate Mitt Romney yesterday:
"My fellow Americans, today is the eleven year anniversary of the horrible mass murders of innocent men, women, and children in the United States by sick, twisted terrorists hiding behind the cloak of Islam. By a terrible stroke, today also marked vicious attacks on U.S. diplomatic missions in Egypt and Libya. These attacks, by raging, cowardly mobs, were supposedly instigated by an amateur e-mail about the being whom Muslims consider sacred and a Holy prophet, Mohammed. This e-mail was made in the United States under the protection of our Constitution, which protects freedom or speech and expression. The mobs who attacked our missions objected to the e-mail cartoon or whatever it was. They have the complete right to object. But they do not have the right under any international law to attack our diplomatic stations for any reason at all.
"My opponent, Mr. Barack Obama, chose to meet this international outrage by apologizing to the mobs in the form of a letter from Mrs. Clinton's State Department condemning the making of the offending e-mail.
"Let me be clear about this: Mr. Obama is wrong. We have complete freedom of speech in this country. We do not apologize to mobs of thugs and bullies for our residents having free speech. When I take office, the era of apologizing to foreign thugs and bandits for the United States of America and our freedoms is over. We are not ashamed of being a free country. We are proud of it.
"We expect the governments of Egypt and Libya and all other nations to do their duty under law to protect our embassies. If they can't, we will take appropriate action. We are not going to be pushed around and we are not going to be bullied by gangsters and we are not going to apologize for the Constitution.
"There was a further default in Mr. Obama's leadership today. At a time when the whole world is desperately concerned about the certainty that Iran will soon have nuclear weapons and that same Iran has promised to use them to have a second Holocaust against the Jews and '...wipe Israel off the map...', the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, pleaded with Mr. Obama for a face to face meeting in New York when the President will be there for the opening of the UN General Assembly session. Mr. Obama brushed off Premier Netanyahu, head of government of one of our closest allies, saying his schedule did not permit such a meeting. It turned out that Mr. Obama did have time, however, on this trip to New York City to have a comedy interview with David Letterman.
"When reaction to this behavior turned negative, Mr. Obama hastily did an improvised phone call with Mr. Netanyahu and denied his own version of events released earlier.
"This is unacceptable, especially at a time of extremely high tensions in the Middle East. In the Romney-Ryan administration, peace and the maintenance of security for the U.S. and our allies will take precedence over talk shows and comedy and campaigning, no if's, ands, or buts. Our administration will take war and peace seriously. We realize this may seem uncool to some, but we really don't care. Peace is what we are about, and security. Not laughs."
Romney didn't make that speech but it's not too late.
...Ben Stein
Just sitting here reading the news.......now the embassies in Tunisia and other places are being attacked. It's beginning to look like an all out attack on U.S. citizens and not because of some stupid video. Kinda like it was pre-planned to coincide with 9/11.
Anyway, I was reading the comments to the news article and one was......
"Note to protesters: Good news......you and your 72 virgins will soon be together. The United States Marines are headed your way!"
Made me smile. :)
Larry (still in politics) j
Larry,
You know how I feel about my beloved Corps but a "fast team " of 50 Marines vs 6.5 million people in Libya? At least send a battalion to give them a fighting chance.
I would first close every embassy in every one of those shit holes and bring our people home. Next I would close everyone of their embassies they have on our soil and send their diplomats packing. Immediately stop all foreign aid to them, which never should have happened to begin with. For every embassy, consulate or American owned KFC or Arby's they torch, I would drop napalm on one of their mosques. That's what I would do today but tomorrow I might wake up in a bad mood and Katy bar the door.
You're right.
Of course, the liberals will call you an isolationist. Some might even say that you lack diversity.
No Red, I'm not an isolationist. I think we should pull out of the shit holes, meaning Muslim countries. I'm not so naive to think we can all stay on US soil and isolate ourselves from the rest of the world. Maybe 200 years ago that wouldn't have been a bad idea but not in the times we are in today. Sorry if I didn't plug for Ron Paul for you ;)
I see where the radical Islamist are attacking the German embassy in Sudan. Good. Maybe they will attack the French embassy too and leaders of those countries will show they have the gonads to do something about it---unlike the pussy we have for a leader. I'm sure our POTUS is as happy as a pig in a mud puddle over these embassy attacks. You see anything on the news about the dismal jobs reports or his complete failure on our economy , the last few days? Me neither.
Quote from: jarhead on September 14, 2012, 03:55:18 PM
I see where the radical Islamist are attacking the German embassy in Sudan. Good. Maybe they will attack the French embassy too and leaders of those countries will show they have the gonads to do something about it---unlike the pussy we have for a leader. I'm sure our POTUS is as happy as a pig in a mud puddle over these embassy attacks. You see anything on the news about the dismal jobs reports or his complete failure on our economy , the last few days? Me neither.
we need to send his arab ass over there instead of our men.
i have never in my life despised anyone as much as i do obama.
Quote from: Warph on September 12, 2012, 07:54:02 PM
This is the speech I would have liked to have heard from Presidential candidate Mitt Romney yesterday:
"My fellow Americans, today is the eleven year anniversary of the horrible mass murders of innocent men, women, and children in the United States by sick, twisted terrorists hiding behind the cloak of Islam. By a terrible stroke, today also marked vicious attacks on U.S. diplomatic missions in Egypt and Libya. These attacks, by raging, cowardly mobs, were supposedly instigated by an amateur e-mail about the being whom Muslims consider sacred and a Holy prophet, Mohammed. This e-mail was made in the United States under the protection of our Constitution, which protects freedom or speech and expression. The mobs who attacked our missions objected to the e-mail cartoon or whatever it was. They have the complete right to object. But they do not have the right under any international law to attack our diplomatic stations for any reason at all.
"My opponent, Mr. Barack Obama, chose to meet this international outrage by apologizing to the mobs in the form of a letter from Mrs. Clinton's State Department condemning the making of the offending e-mail.
"Let me be clear about this: Mr. Obama is wrong. We have complete freedom of speech in this country. We do not apologize to mobs of thugs and bullies for our residents having free speech. When I take office, the era of apologizing to foreign thugs and bandits for the United States of America and our freedoms is over. We are not ashamed of being a free country. We are proud of it.
"We expect the governments of Egypt and Libya and all other nations to do their duty under law to protect our embassies. If they can't, we will take appropriate action. We are not going to be pushed around and we are not going to be bullied by gangsters and we are not going to apologize for the Constitution.
"There was a further default in Mr. Obama's leadership today. At a time when the whole world is desperately concerned about the certainty that Iran will soon have nuclear weapons and that same Iran has promised to use them to have a second Holocaust against the Jews and '...wipe Israel off the map...', the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, pleaded with Mr. Obama for a face to face meeting in New York when the President will be there for the opening of the UN General Assembly session. Mr. Obama brushed off Premier Netanyahu, head of government of one of our closest allies, saying his schedule did not permit such a meeting. It turned out that Mr. Obama did have time, however, on this trip to New York City to have a comedy interview with David Letterman.
"When reaction to this behavior turned negative, Mr. Obama hastily did an improvised phone call with Mr. Netanyahu and denied his own version of events released earlier.
"This is unacceptable, especially at a time of extremely high tensions in the Middle East. In the Romney-Ryan administration, peace and the maintenance of security for the U.S. and our allies will take precedence over talk shows and comedy and campaigning, no if's, ands, or buts. Our administration will take war and peace seriously. We realize this may seem uncool to some, but we really don't care. Peace is what we are about, and security. Not laughs."
Romney didn't make that speech but it's not too late.
...Ben Stein
Warph, I took economics classes from Ben Stein at Pepperdine and he is a knowledgeable economist and trade lawyer. What I am more interested in is, your opinion as a former analyst for the State Dept. and the Air Force. If it doesn't cut in to your golf game or the typing doesn't aggravate your shoulder too much; you could give a your professor's take on this situation.
I think I just found out why my country seems to be sliding down the tubes at a rapid pace. Wanting to read all I can about the mid east crises I go to MSNBC news for their take only to find that's not their top story---No, it's that some rag in France published topless pictures of Duchess Kate and now her and Willie are outraged. Let me give you some advice Duchess---
" Kate, you can't even go to the Royal crapper without the paparazzi snapping photos of you until you slam the door in their face. Why would you think you could sit on a balcony at some Rivera in France with your girls hanging out , and not think that someone would take a picture of them ? I'm not a smart man but in this age of everyone having camera phones, even I know that if I don't want pictures of Mr Wiggles and his two close neighbors pasted all over the web, keep him in the barn while in public "
Now back to Warph's second page news story.
I don't know the latest statistics, but the last thing I saw was that about 25% of our oil comes from the Middle East, with 15% of that coming from Saudi Arabia. It occurs to me, IMHO, that the POTUS and Congress need to "man up" and tell those jokers that the billions we send them in foreign aid is going to stop unless the leaders of those countries crack down on their people and end all this violence. So lets buy that other 10% from someone else. Then all of a sudden, "hey, there's no money coming in foreign aid and they have quit buying our oil.......we're going to starve." Many reports I have read state that despite the massive amounts of money that is going over there, those countries routinely vote against the U.S. in international affairs at the United Nations. Kinda like biting the hand that feeds them, so to speak. If these are "extremist groups" then the rest of the people should take them aside and slap them upside the head.
Jar, I am with you 100% with the exception of sending Marines or any other troops in. It's a waste of time and American lives. I am in agreement that we should just pull out and let them kill each other off. If our presence, and those of other democratic countries, is gone, who are they going to protest against? We would be better off just using those troops to guard against attacks in our own country. As these people are foreigners, they are not protected by the Constitution...they have no Miranda rights......should be shot on sight. And you are right about the isolationist thing. That can't be done in these modern day and time, but we can sure as heck economically hurt them.
Again, IMHO, a stupid film about their almighty Muhammad is not the cause of all this, no matter what you hear. It is only a small spark to ignite the greater fire, that being destruction of our way of life. An excuse.
And, while I sometimes would like to "level the place and pave it," I would rather just leave them to their own hatred of others. You know, just sit back and watch them dig themselves into the ground. I am aware that there are a lot of good people, a majority, who detest all the violence, but until they take control, it's over.
BTW, Warph is still trying to clear the smoke and fire from his eyes and regain a somewhat level of normalcy before he can comment!
Larry (disgusted with our country's politics) j
Larry,
I said" send in a Bn of Marines to make it an even fight " meaning it to be sarcasm. Reading on I said bring all our people home from there. Don't be leaving the politics Doc. You bring common sense to this madness.
Yeah, well, the madness is what keeps me out of politics. I only posted on this because this is something that bothered me. I wonder sometimes if this is a political thing, being an election year. There was a reference back earlier about the hostages being freed the day Reagan took office. You know, once a president wins an election, a long and drawn out indoctrination takes place to bring him up to speed. So the timing of the hostage release looked real good for both presidents, new and old. How do we know that our government is secretly inspriing all these uprisings so our current president will look good in handling the situation?
Ahhhhhhh, I don't know. And if I did, it wouldn't make a difference. So, I am back outa Politics unless I see something worthwhile I can comment on and, of course, when Warph opens up on this. I can hardly wait for that.
Larry (finally out of Politics) j
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 14, 2012, 04:28:04 PM
Warph, I took economics classes from Ben Stein at Pepperdine and he is a knowledgeable economist and trade lawyer. What I am more interested in is, your opinion as a former analyst for the State Dept. and the Air Force. If it doesn't cut in to your golf game or the typing doesn't aggravate your shoulder too much; you could give a your professor's take on this situation.
Glad to... I posted this a few years back. Somewhat dated, but the next paragraph sums it up.
If history is any indication, a lasting solution to the current conflict in the Middle East will NEVER, EVER take place in our time and many generations to come.
When I think of all the wars that have been fought over possession of the very cradle of the world's three major religions, I can't help but wonder where God is in all of this. You have to just marvel at the stun-gun absurdity of fighting to the death.... over what happens after you die.
Damifino. Hey, I've got no clue what's going on in the Middle East. And what's more, dilligaf about the middle east?
All I know is, you have two Abrahamic religious groups enmeshed in a conflict whose modern incarnation dates to the 1917 Balfour Declaration, with territory disputes that remain unresolved despite the The Wye River Memorandum and UN: Resolutions 242 and 338... but I probably just sound like an ignorant American there.
Hell, for 80 years, Palestinians and Israelis have been killing each other over the same arid strip of hardpan. That's four generations of Arabs and Israelis who have grown up in a perpetual state of war. No wonder it's impossible for either side to fathom the concept of peace. In the Middle East, "Peace" is what you rest in for all of eternity."
Palestine, (which some say really doesn't exist, by the way) though generally barren, was desirable to the Jewish people because it is the birthplace of the three main monotheistic religions: Christianity, Judasism, and Goat Farming -- whoops... Islam. Sorry. Now, if God gives you a slice of land on a piece of desert and calls it the Promised Land, you gotta ask yourself: Promise Land? Hasn't God ever been to Cabo?
Look, you have to admit that Israel is in more of a no-win situation than a Ballpark Frank entering the Westminster Dog Show. They're a democracy trying to abide by Western norms in a region that does not play by those rules. Israel, I promise you, is the only country where a democracy will work in the Middle East!! I guarantee you, you plunk Switzerland down somewhere between Iran and Morraco, and the arabs are going to be thinking about how to kill somebody with a Toblerone.
A Democracy will not work in Rag Head Country, Period! It is NOT working in Iraq and will never work in Iraq. Why you ask? There are many reasons. One, they keep blowing the shit out of everyone and everything. Two, War Lords! Man, they're all over the middle east. Look at Afghanistan. Supposedly a new Democracy..... well in Kabul, sort of... anyway. What about the rest of the country? Somebody forgot to tell the War Lords. They state, "We will leave you alone and help keep the Taliban at bay IF you let us raise our poppy fields in peace." Since Democracy, the crops are at 96% growth today compared to 2004.... and the Taliban are thriving just like the poppies! Can't trust the War Lords. No wonder Hamid Karzai is screaming to us for more troops. The Palace Guards are higher than chinese kites and he's in fear of losing his democracy, not to mention his life. The Prez hasn't got the troops to give him and most of our allies won't commit any more troops to Afghanistan..... and the dork is looking to the U.N. to handle the poppy explosion. Yeah, right!
I say if you really want to discourage people from doing drugs and keep the War Lords happy, legalize drugs for a year and encourage people to experiment. The smart people will sit back and barricade themselves in their homes, while all the drink-the-bongwater burnouts and needle-ites go to town, mixing industrial grade sealant and horse tranquilizers into a hookah, shooting and smoking it. I guarantee you, before the year is up, we'll dramatically thin the goat herd and who knows? Maybe some of the more demented stoners will mix so many weird chemicals, they'll stumble onto a cure for cancer in their pursuit of a buzz that could win the Nobel Peace Pipe.
And to the suicide bombers: how are you helping to improve the lives of your people when you so patently disregard your own life? And really, isn't this 72 virgins thing just a little overrated? I mean, after three or four, doesn't the thrill kind of wear off? And by Virgin 23, you're going to be begging for a pro, someone who knows when and when not to use their ...... nevermind, don't need to go there.
I guess my main objection to suicide bombing is how commercial its all gotten. Back during the old intifada of '87, a guy strapped some explosives to his chest, walked into a building and blew himself up. Now he's got to make a video, pose for eight-by-tens and party. Maybe I'm old school, but whatever happened to the suicide bomber who just did it for the love of the hate?
You know, I didn't understand the PLO's Yasser Arafat's game. Ehud Barak offered him arguably the best deal of any Israeli leader in recent history, and Arafat pissed all over it like he was Ozzy Osbourne taking a whiz on his loud neighbors barbeque. Do you think it was the money.... the $4 billion dollars he received over the years from the U.S. and European Union countries, not to mention, Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia, that he was stuffing into his private Swiss bank account up to that point. Now that Yasser's not around anymore, Mrs. Arafat can now well afford that makeover.
So.... On one side of the sandbags, you have Israel's. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has never been a guy who knows verses 3 through 5 of "Kumbaya." But this recent intifada with Hezbollah has hardened him like a dead guy on Viagra. At this point, Olmert probably believes the only time Arabs and Jews will share the land is when they're under it.
The so-called Quartet of Mideast peacemakers — the U.S., European Union, Russia and United Nations — say Hamas must renounce violence, recognize Israel and accept past peace agreements before aid can resume. On the other side of the sandbags, Mahmoud Abbas has been pushing Hamas to accept those demands.
The sad truth is, everyone in this thing just needs one good hard slap-upside-the-head of common sense. Hey Palestinian Authority, keep pushing! Hey Hamas, stop buying explosives and wearing a map of Israel on your headscarf and listen to what Mahmoud Abbas has to say. And Jimmy? Stay the hell home. Hey Sultan bin Abdulaziz bin Abdul Rahman bin Faisal bin Turki bin Abdullah bin Muhammad bin Saud, what's with this talking peace in the Middle East but refusing to meet with the Israeli's? You still waiting... oh... I forgot, you're dead. And Lebanon, Prime Minister Michel Suleiman needs to get some backbone and start acting like he's the president, not Hezbollah. And... oh yeah... Bashar al-Assad & Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, listen up. I was talking with a couple of B-2 Spirit - Stealth Bomber jockey's the other day about their sixteen 2,400 lb B83 nuclear bombs they carry in each plane and they tell me your day in the sun might be coming soon.... maybe sometime toward the end of the year.
So what is my answer to the age-old problem in the Middle East?
Simple! Forget legalizing drugs because that ain't going to work. Give them CASINOS! It worked here in the U.S. for our Native Americans. Look, all religion has done is to jump-start a grudge war over it's individual beliefs and at least in casinos everyone can get along, have a few shirley temples, play a little Black Jack and forget their problems. You don't even have to build a lot of new buildings because they already have a thousand-year-old Holy Land theme going on over there. "C'mon, seven, Baby Muhammad needs a new pair of shoes!"
Here you go, Fire Elk... ol' Ben got another good'un..
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http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/14/end-times
End Times
By Ben Stein on 9.14.12 @ 6:09AM
There is that feeling in the air.
Thursday
Strange day.
I awakened to a text from a close friend who is a devout Christian and who was so angry at the elite media that she could not sleep. "I am so frikkin' sick of the media telling us that Islam is a 'religion of peace,'" she said. "Look, people make fun of Jesus all of the time and I mean ALL of the time and we don't kill them or harm them. But do anything at all that offends any Muslim and they start killing Christians and Jews -- and then Obama apologizes for it. How long can this go on? The times of Tribulation are at hand."
I got up, walked out on the deck and looked out at the perfect fall day over Lake Pendoreille. An absolutely perfect Fall day, blue skies, light breeze, just a slight chill in the air.
At breakfast, my wife suddenly said, "And then I beheld a red horse ridden by a man with a great sword...."
"What is that?" I asked her.
"It's Revelation," she said.
"I know, but where does that come from?"
"I just feel as if something big is about to happen," she said. "Something feels like we're about to live in a totally changed world. It feels like end times. Why are we apologizing to the Muslims? They're killing and expelling their Christians and we don't say a word. End times."
I nodded. There is that feeling in the air.
I got another text from my very devout Christian friend. "Don't tell me Obama isn't a Muslim," she said. "I don't care what he calls himself, he's a Muslim. That's why he's always apologizing to the Muslims."
I think she's bit off the mark here. If Obama says he's a Christian, he's a Christian.
I slept for a long time while listening to Mozart and the trains. Then I went to the mail box and got the latest news from the Obama/Biden campaign -- oops, meant to say, "The New York Times." Naturally, it was filled with rage against Mitt Romney There was very little vitriol against the killers in Libya, but plenty against Gov. Romney.
I sure hope that the people at the Romney campaign don't read The NY Times. It is just endless propaganda against Republicans. Nonstop. We Republicans should campaign on our own issues. Mr. Obama's idiot foreign policy is such an issue.
I went off to do my errands in Sandpoint. A visit to a super pleasant post office. A helpful clerk was patient with my terrible handwriting. Then a visit to the Alpine Shop to see my pal, Tim Farmin, who looked happy but told me my boat needed a new battery. Then, a visit to Ivano's to pick up some grub for tonight.
At Ivano's, I talked to a man who seethed with rage against Mr. Obama. He simply could not believe that Mr. Obama would make time to be among his Hollywood big shots but not make time to see Benjamin Netanyahu. "These are getting to be Biblical days," he said. "The final days."
A trip to the art framer, then to the drug store, then to the Safeway to buy a cake. The woman in the bakery told me that the days of tribulation and the dictatorship were upon us. She is looking to move to the mountains "to find refuge..."
"Be careful," I said. "That's what Vicki Weaver was looking for and it didn't work so well. Our refuge is in The Lord."
(I am up on Vicki Weaver because I am reading an astonishingly good book about the federal killings at Ruby Ridge called Ruby Ridge by a writer of unique talent by the name of Jess Walter. It is terrifying.)
Back to Ivano's to pick up my grub. Then back home to read the latest about the murder of the U.S. Ambassador to Libya and three of his staff.
Apparently word had been out for months that the most extreme of the anti-Qaddafi rebels were working with al Qaeda for 9/11. The State Department and the Defense Department had done nothing meaningful to protect the Ambassador. When the killers attacked the U.S. compound, they were heavily armed with anti-aircraft automatic cannon (a very deadly weapon) and RPG's. They were a recognizably violent group connected with al Qaeda.
It's amazing that Qaddafi kept saying that the people fighting against him were al Qaeda and we kept helping them -- and sure enough, they turned out to be al Qaeda. And Qaddafi, who had become our friend -- although a cruel and vile man -- was killed by the rebels so now Libya is in large measure in the hands of al Qaeda.
Same with Egypt. Mubarak was no one's idea of a great guy, but he was our pal. He kept the peace with Israel. He suppressed the terrorists. So, naturally, we stabbed him in the back. Now, we have worked to create an "Arab Spring" that has given us a fantastically more anti-American, anti-Israel, pro-al Qaeda Middle East.
But incredibly, Mr. Obama considers this an achievement. An achievement? To help al Qaeda and its pals, the Muslim Brotherhood, take power in the most populous Arab state? To help al Qaeda take over in oil rich Libya? What are they talking about?
I hope Mr. Romney will not let himself get pushed around by the Obama smear machine. I see that at a rally today in Virginia, his speech was derailed by a lone Obama heckler asking, "Why are you politicizing Libya?" That apparently rattled Gov. Romney badly.
The answer, should it come up again, is, "Because this is a democracy. We debate big points of foreign and domestic policy, especially during election campaigns. The failure of the administration to stand up to Muslim thugs is a big issue. Apologizing to terrorists is a big issue. The failure to protect our diplomats is a big issue. The failure to stand up for free speech is a huge issue. We are supposed to debate those things. If you don't like that, move back to Iran or wherever you came from."
Meanwhile, time for Mr. Romney to go back to attack mode. Why did the State Department not protect our Ambassador in Benghazi? Why isn't Mrs. Clinton resigning over this? Why isn't Secretary of Defense Panetta apologizing and resigning? There was a colossal failure here. The President is accountable. Why isn't he taking some responsibility here?
The Obama smear machine is making much of the supposed time line of this week. That supposedly the worst attacks came after Mr. Romney criticized The State Department for apologizing to the Muslims for an anti-Muslim film. But of course, they are missing the point totally and on purpose.
Why should we have been apologizing as a nation to Muslims for one person making a cartoon? We didn't apologize to the Russians when people in the USA made anti-Communist remarks. We didn't apologize to Hitler when people in America made anti-Nazi remarks. Why do the Muslims get this special apology treatment? What's up with that? We respect all religions, but we are not going to apologize to anyone as a people for what one guy does in his garage.
What is with Mr. Obama's special deference to the terrorists? I am well aware that he's done a darned fine job using drones to kill them and God bless him for it. But then why apologize to groups of people we feel are so terrible that we kill some of them without a trial or a declaration of war?
Let's get it straight, once again: We live by the first amendment and the Constitution. Our people have freedom of speech. Even the nutty ones. We do not apologize for our Constitution.
Well, enough of that. It is time for a quiet dinner listening to the lake and the trains. For now, it is paradise. The time of tribulation has not yet come for us all, and God bless that brave Ambassador, Christopher Stevens, who was murdered and had his body dragged through the streets by people we put in power. God help us when Judgment Day comes.
Quote from: jarhead on September 14, 2012, 08:56:26 PM
Larry,
I said" send in a Bn of Marines to make it an even fight " meaning it to be sarcasm. Reading on I said bring all our people home from there. Don't be leaving the politics Doc. You bring common sense to this madness.
we shouldn't respond to anything with less than a batallion over there and the only response should be to set down pickup our people and leave. Maybe losing a nuke on the way out might help matters. Few of those would calm them towelhead down.
Thanks, Warph! Thanks for making my day a little better. ;D ;D ;D
Larryj
Warph, that was a very nice piece.
Al has said for the 50 some years I've known him, that we cannot measure those people using our standards.They are too different. As long as they still have their tribes there will always be conflict among themselves and with outsiders.
They can't believe that our Gov't didn't have something to do with the film in question because their own would have. They just don't believe our Gov't doesn't get into such matters.They don't believe that kind of freedom exists. Just an excuse in this case anyway.
There will never be peace among them. You'd have to end their tribal wars the same way they were ended here, kill off most of them and put the rest on reservations until the young ones don't remember the past.
Most of them have probably watched Rambo help the Afgan tribes fight the Russians on film and went crazy cheering. The film had nothing to do with this.
The breaking news keeps breaking when it comes to revelations surrounding the attacks and protests aimed at U.S. embassies going on throughout the garbage heap in the middle east... protests have spread to at least eight countries. Reports indicate that four people have been arrested relating to the killing of the U.S. Ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff there. That offers at least the promise of getting more information about the deliberate attack on the U.S. compound in Benghazi if this is true and not a rumor. ...Warph
Colonel David Hunt: ("Broom Hilda") Clinton Made Decision Not to Post Marines at Benghazi
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by Michael Patrick Leahy 14 Sep 2012
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/14/Colonel-Says-Hillary-Clinton-Made-Decision-to-Have-No-Marines-at-Benghazi
In an exclusive interview with Breitbart News, Fox News military analyst Colonel David Hunt laid the blame for the murder of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans at the Benghazi, Libya American mission on Hillary Clinton and the State Department:
The State Department just allowed our guys to get killed. If you approve no bullets in guns for the mission security guards and an outhouse for a mission, you're inviting it.
Earlier, on Howie Carr's radio show Thursday, Colonel Hunt said that the American mission at Benghazi "was like a cardboard building, there wasn't even bullet proof glass." In addition, Hunt said the security guards inside the mission didn't have bullets:
Howie Carr: They weren't allowed to have bullets, is that correct?
Colonel Hunt: That's true. They were private security. The rules of engagement were ridiculous.
Hunt told Breitbart News that the new State Department Rules of Engagement for Libya, approved and signed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton since the 2011 fall of Khadafi's regime, severely compromised the safety and security of murdered Ambassador Stevens and all American diplomatic staff in Libya.
He also stated that the decision not to staff Benghazi with Marines was made by Secretary of State Clinton when she attached her signature to the State Department Rules of Engagement for Libya document. Breitbart News has subsequently learned that under those rules of engagement, Secretary Clinton prohibited Marines from providing security at any American diplomatic installation in Libya.
Hunt told Breitbart News that "the rules of engagement have been changing drastically over the last 10 years. . . The reason the surge in Iraq worked was we had another 40,000 soldiers and the rules of engagement were changed to allow our guys to shoot. What's happened in Libya is the final straw of political correctness. We allowed a contractor to hire local nationals as security guards, but said they can't have bullets. This was all part of the point of not having a high profile in Libya."
According to Hunt, the debacle at the American mission in Benghazi is directly the result of Obama's new policies. "The policy of the Obama administration led to this," he said.
"It was the policy of the Obama administration to have a low profile in Libya. That's why the rules of engagement were approved by the Secretary of State to have no Marines at Benghazi, and to have an American contractor hire Libyan nationals to provide security there. The rules were they couldn't have ammunition."
"Obama may not have known the details of the State Department Rules of Engagement for Libya, but his Chief of Staff and National Security Advisor would have. The Secretary of State absolutely would have."
"The Department of State Security are the people in charge of diplomatic security. They enforce the rules of engagement, which are set at Clinton's level at State. The Department of Defense was told we're not going to have Marines at Benghazi. Whether it goes higher than the Secretary of State to the President, I don't know."
Hunt added that the rules of engagement specific to each country or military situation are drawn up by State Department lawyers and approved by the chain of command. "There should be a document with Hillary's signature and the Secretary of Defense's specific to Libya. It was signed after Khadafi fell from power. You'll have to ask the State Department to get the document. They might claim it's classified, but it shouldn't be. The State Department has rules of engagement documents that are different for different countries. In our embassies in London and Paris, for instance, it's always a mystery if the Marines at the embassies have ammunition in their weapons."
Hunt compared the security at the Benghazi mission with security at the recent RNC and DNC.
"The recent political conventions had more security than Ambassador Stevens had in Benghazi. If you carried a sharp stick within a mile of the conventions at Tampa or Charlotte you got arrested, yet you don't give bullets to the guards of our Ambassador to Libya. It wouldn't surprise me if Al-Qaeda bought off some of the Libyan nationals hired to guard our ambassador at Benghazi."
Ambassador Stevens was based at the American embassy in Tripoli. According to a spokesperson at the State Department, he would visit the mission at Benghazi sporadically. No one at the State Department has yet answered this key question:
Why on the anniversary of 9-11 was he at the low security mission in Benghazi when it would obviously have been more prudent for him to have been at the presumably more secure embassy in Tripoli?
At her daily press briefing on Thursday, State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland offered a description of the defenses at the Benghazi mission that appeared to be in conflict with other press reports. In contrast to some reports that said security within the perimeter of the mission was provided by Libyan nationals, Nuland stated that they provided security on the perimeter and that "there was a robust American security presence inside the compound." [emphasis added]:
QUESTION: Can you talk a little bit more about the security that was at the Embassy? It seems that for an area such as Benghazi, where there was a lot of instability, there were very few guards there. And can you talk about whether the U.S. asked Libya, the Libyan Government, earlier in the week for extra security precaution and whether that – extra security precautions or security personnel and whether that request was fulfilled. . .It does seem though that there were very few security personnel at this location.
MS. NULAND: I'm going to reject that, Elise. Let me tell you what I can about the security at our mission in Benghazi. It did include a local Libyan guard force around the outer perimeter. This is the way we work in all of our missions all around the world, that the outer perimeter is the responsibility of the host government. There was obviously a physical perimeter barrier, a wall. And then there was a robust American security presence inside the compound. This is absolutely consistent with what we have done at a number of missions similar to Benghazi around the world. . .
Ms. Nuland, however, failed to elaborate on the specifics or size of the "robust American security" within the perimeter of the mission. Later in her news briefing, she addressed the State Department reasoning for failing to have Marines stationed at Benghazi:
MS. NULAND: There were not marines at this mission.
QUESTION: Why not?
MS. NULAND: They – we have a number of posts around the world. We have – there are embassies without marines, there are other consulates of this type without marines. We make a decision based on the local conditions as to whether that makes sense, but this posture that we had, which was external security by the Libyans and then a strong U.S. security presence – but it didn't include that particular contingent of Americans – inside, in a number of other missions that look a lot like Benghazi. . .
QUESTION: Is that for marines coming generally from the mission itself, or does the State Department say, you know, the situation's really bad right now in this particular section of the world, perhaps we should have marines based here.
MS. NULAND: It's not a matter of marines necessarily being a qualitatively different way of securing. There are many other ways to secure that are equivalent, too. It depends on the circumstances and it is different in every part of the world, and we evaluate it along with our friends at the Defense Department and other agencies individually, per mission.
Breitbart News has attempted to secure a copy of the State Department Rules of Engagement for Libya, but officials at the State Department have stonewalled, as this email correspondence from Friday reveals:
To [State Dept Spokesperson]:
(A) Status of my document request for the State Department rules of engagement for Libya?
(B) Can you help me find answers to these two questions:
1. Who provided security inside the Benghazi mission at the time of the 9-11-12 attack, how were they armed, and how many of them were there?
2. Who provided security on the perimeter of the Benghazi mission at the time of the 9-11-12 attack, how were they armed, and how many of them were there?
Michael Patrick Leahy
Breitbart News Contributor
Here is the official response from that State Department spokesperson:
Michael -
I do not yet have more information on the rules of engagement document, which as discussed last night, might require a FOIA request. I will let you know as soon as I receive feedback. However, and this also applies to your two follow up questions, we do not discuss security details for the safety of our missions. The two questions below are addressed to the fullest extent possible in both briefings I sent you last night.
[State Department Spokesperson]
On Friday, Breitbart News filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the State Department to secure a copy of the State Department Rules of Engagement for Libya.
Look for the State Department to continue to stonewall this request, and resist release of the document until after the election. Its contents will be just too damaging. In effect, the country will be able to see Hillary Clinton's signature on the document that served as Ambassador Chris Stevens's death warrant.
Innocence of Muslims - Muhammad Movie - FULL HD Al Qaeda in Yemen urges Muslims to kill U.S. diplomats over film
http://www.infowars.com/al-qaeda-in-yemen-urges-muslims-to-kill-u-s-diplomats-over-film/
news.yahoo.com
September 15, 2012
The Yemen-based branch of al Qaeda urged Muslims to step up protests and kill more U.S. diplomats in Muslim countries after a U.S.-made film mocking the Prophet Mohammad which it said was another chapter in the "crusader wars" against Islam.
"Whoever comes across America's ambassadors or emissaries should follow the example of Omar al-Mukhtar's descendants (Libyans), who killed the American ambassador," the group said, referring to Tuesday's attack on the U.S. consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi.
"Let the step of kicking out the embassies be a step towards liberating Muslim countries from the American hegemony," a statement posted on an Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) website on Saturday said.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-yemen-urges-muslims-kill-u-diplomats-070834271.html?_esi=1
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As you already know, I was extremely upset about the storming of the American embassy in Cairo, Egypt. Perhaps I should be more specific. It wasn't the storming itself that angered me. We have all come to expect that sort of thing from the non-Israeli inhabitants of the Middle East. What pissed me off was that in the aftermath... the U.S. apologized. Apparently it is now our official policy to speak softly and carry no stick at all.
Americans were targeted and murdered by radical monsters around the globe... (in Afghanistan... 102 deaths, 40 in the past month!) Obama did nothing about it. The White House had at least a 48-hour advance warning this was coming. It told no one. It didn't warn the diplomats or increase security at the embassies. It didn't warn the complicit governments... and they are as involved in this as the mobs and murderers themselves... of potential consequences.
And when the attacks were over? The president took all of one hour of out of his busy fundraising/campaign schedule to address this matter. Then, it was off to Las Vegas and back to his rich friends to shake the money maker.
Let me be clear, every drop of blood spilled by Americans as a result of the actions of these monsters drips through the hands of this administration before it hits the ground.
There's no need to recount the story now, except to say Obuma, the secretary of state Broom Hillary and their auditioning second-term press secretaries in the media burnt more calories this week attacking an American in California for exercising his First Amendment right to free speech than they did condemning the murderous mobs or their enablers in their respective governments.
Whatever outrage they had leftover was reserved for Mitt Romney for committing the unforgivable sin of standing up for American values in the face of terrorism and speaking out against it hours before the President did. That Obuma's campaign attacked Romney for standing up for American values a full 8 hours before Obuma condemned the attacks on and murder of Americans isn't a story.
Until a better word is invented, disgusting will have to do.
Within 48 hours of the first attacks the Justice Department had tracked down the filmmaker and leaked his name to the media. The media dutifully reported it as if they'd found an escaped Nazi. Of course that analogy doesn't fit perfectly as escaped Nazi are granted the presumption of innocence.
After all, all the filmmaker did was make a very bad movie despotic governments we helped empower could use to incite rioting and direct the anger away from their own incompetence and toward the greatest force for freedom the world has ever known.
Through state controlled media, they played this unknown video endlessly and spread it throughout the region. All the while, our President skipped nearly 60 percent his national security briefings. Turns out maybe you can't get by on the Cliff notes on those briefings. Maybe you do have to show up.
But Mitt Romney spoke first, and that was the story the media covered.
It made little mention of how the Justice Department found and outed the anonymous American supposedly "responsible" for all this in just two days but, after looking for two years, still can't find out who authorized Fast And Furious within their own ranks. It found no fault with the president returning to his real duties... campaigning and fundraising.... after he'd devoted just an hour to the most significant security threat of his administration. Had a fiction writer scripted the media's coverage even they wouldn't have had the nerve to be so brazen as to attempt something so corrupt.
Now, the violence is spreading, and the president has no idea how to react. He's sinking in concrete, campaigning and fundraising while the Middle East burns. But he thinks Mitt Romney spoke too soon? That's it somehow a gaffe that Romney grasped the implications and the outrage of the situation a full workday before Obuma could be bothered even to release a statement? That's somehow a Romney gaffe, but the President being uncertain if Egypt is our ally or not barely registers?
President Obama has learned well from great propagandists in the past: When the chips are down, invent a phony outrage and LIE to distract the public.
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Follow the pattern:
*As more stories of violence and dismissed warnings come in, more criticism of Romney comes out.
*As our credit is downgraded again, more criticism of Romney comes out.
*As the Federal Reserve announces plans to print $40 billion a month in a third attempt at "quantitative easing" to right the president's broken economy, more criticism of Romney comes out.
*No matter what happens, no matter how detached our president gets from the job he seeks to keep for four more years ... no matter how many people die...we still haven't seen enough of Mitt Romney's tax returns.
That's how sick the media has gotten.
Does Obuma defend our freedom? NO! He asks YouTube to review the video to see if it violates the user agreement and can be taken down. Isn't it amazing how the first instinct of liberals in any situation is to lionize extremists abroad and censor our speech at home? YouTube, showing a strong commitment to the Constitution than the man who swore an oath to "preserve, protect and defend" it, said it wouldn't remove this horribly produced and acted Z-movie. Good for them standing up for the First Amendment. Bad for the media for trying to re-elect a man who turns his back on the very principle that protects its very existence.
Obuma has not acted like a president in this crisis, he's acted more like a spoiled child told for the first time to eat his vegetables. Everything else he's faced in office.... abysmal economic data, the 2010 election, the unpopularity of his actions and policies... could be spun or somehow parsed to create whatever new data-metric reality he wanted because his media mouthpieces were only too happy to spread it.
But those events didn't have smoke, fire, video and a body count the world can't easily ignore.
The media's spin will work on idiots, but the rape of reality can't and won't work on anyone with more IQ points than teeth.
People, Americans, YOU, need to spend time every day between now and the election talking to anyone with at least one working ear who hasn't yet decided how to vote and explain to them what is really happening. Donating money is great. Planning to vote yourself is key. But spreading the word to those open to hearing it and making sure th ey cast an educated vote is crucial.
Democrats don't want voters to be educated or informed... thus the fight over voter ID laws. They want you to eat your gruel, take your medicine and re-elect the president because he knows more about what's better for you than you do. With so many Americans now suckling the government teat, that easy message has a receptive and large audience. We have to be larger this November or our nation surely will be smaller in the future.
The only words that comes to mind for this POS is GOOD RIDDANCE !! Wonder if it's possible to mix dioxin with the dyes needed to make the red, white and blue colors ? Hmm---I have an idea !!! :angel:
Pakistani protester dies from breathing smoke of burning US flags
A protester in Lahore, Pakistan has died after inhaling the fumes from the American flags he burned on Sunday. Abdullah Ismail was part of a demonstration protesting the Islam-trolling film "The Innocence of Muslims" in front of the U.S. Embassy. According to his fellow protesters, Ismail "complained of feeling unwell from [breathing] the smoke" of the burning American flags and was transported to Lahore's Mayo Hospital where he later died. More than 10,000 people filled the streets to protest the film and its blasphemy, blocking traffic for over six hours.