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In just a few weeks, some kind of UFO-related secrets will be revealed at a Smithsonian Institution affiliated museum.

That's the implied promise in the title of a special lecture coming up at the National Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas on Sept. 22.

The secrets haven't yet been revealed, but the players involved certainly present the potential for something intriguing to emerge from this one-night event that's part of the museum's ongoing Area 51 lecture series.

Watch this promo for the upcoming UFO lecture at the National Atomic Testing Museum:



"We looked at bringing in some people to talk about extraterrestrials and UFOs," said museum CEO and executive director Allan Palmer, a highly decorated former Air Force and Navy combat jet fighter.

"We wanted to concentrate on people who had personal stories and exposure to what they thought were real UFOs from the military side, because they might have just a little more credibility than your average Joe," Palmer told The Huffington Post.

Four of the participants had previous American military security clearances:

Ret. Army Col. John Alexander: Former military insider who created Advanced Theoretical Physics -- a group of top-level government officials and scientists brought together to study UFOs.

Ret. Air Force Col. Charles Halt: Former base commander of the RAF Bentwaters military base in England and vital eyewitness to the amazing UFO-related events at Rendlesham Forest in December 1980, where he believed the observed UFOs were extraterrestrial in origin.

Ret. Air Force Col. William Coleman: Former USAF bomber pilot, chief of Air Force public information and producer of NBC's "Project UFO" series.

Ret. Air Force Col. Robert Friend: Former director of the Air Force's Project Blue Book from 1958 to 1963.

The fifth guest at the museum's upcoming UFO lecture is former U.K. UFO desk officer Nick Pope.

Rest of story at:

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Before his ascendancy to icon of all things cinema, Orson Welles was a fledgling director in New Deal America. In 1938, the man who later brought the world "Citizen Kane" had an idea for a radio production that he believed would strike fear in homes nationwide. Welles, the director of a New York City-based program called "Mercury Theatre on the Air," adapted H.G. Wells' novel "War of the Worlds" for the show's Halloween episode. The adaptation of Wells' 1898 work, which chronicled an alien invasion of England, updated the story to take place in Grovers Mill, N.J., in 1938. By the middle of the hour-long program, hundreds of thousands of Americans had bought the hoax, believing that martians had actually landed on Earth. Welles wanted panic, and that's exactly what he got. But, how did he succeed in creating mass hysteria via the airwaves? Why did a radio play intended for Halloween spook leave its listeners fleeing for their lives?

The broadcast's effects were attributed to two primary factors: format and timing. Welles wanted an authentic sound for the program, and achieved it by creating a series of new bulletins describing the alien invasion as it was supposedly happening. The bulletins interrupted a seemingly ordinary music show to inform listeners of the invasion. Bulletins first began from a Princeton observatory, where a fictional reporter broke the news that astronomers were monitoring strange activity on Mars. Next came reports that a "huge, flaming object" had slammed into a Grovers Mill farm. When citizens gathered at the crash site to view the commotion, they were zapped by the object's heat ray, prompting New Jersey officials to seize control of the radio station and declare martial law. More bulletins rushed in from around the country reporting martian sightings. The Secretary of the Interior in Washington, D.C., urged people to stay calm, even as the martians were allegedly destroying cities. In the final stage of the invasion, tripods descended upon New York City, "wading the Hudson like a man through a brook." Thick, poisonous gas suffocated New Yorkers, and the signals cut in and out to indicate destruction.

After the broadcast supposedly cut out from CBS headquarters, an announcement finally came that the plot was the stuff of fiction. Welles intentionally withheld this reminder from the middle section of the show, so that anyone tuning in after the introduction had no idea of the hoax. For nearly 30 minutes, from the initial reports of explosions on Mars to the lost signals from Manhattan, there were no disclaimers. Because "Mercury Theatre" shared a time slot with the more popular "Chase and Sanborn Hour" on NBC, Welles knew that many dial-tuners would not hear the introduction to his show. He also knew when the first sketch on "Chase and Sanborn" ended, many viewers would flip to his program in favor of the musical interlude. Just as NBC listeners turned the dial, they heard the reports from Grovers Mill on CBS, and had no idea that the story was fake. In an era when Americans believed everything they heard on the radio, many were livid upon hearing of the trickery. While the broadcast received harsh criticism for sending many into a frenzy, the event took its infamous place in popular culture almost instantly. To this day, there are allusions, in both film and literature, to the night when Orson Welles pulled the greatest prank in the history of radio.

War of the Worlds radio broadcast, Quito, Ecuador (1949)

It seems fairly certain that when Orson Welles broadcast his version of The War of the Worlds in 1938, the only real injuries sustained were some bruised egos and perhaps the odd sprained ankle. It has been suggested that the newspapers of the time were keen to talk up the damage and with the passage of time it is all too easy to get carried away and imagine fatalities, but when you think about it calmly and rationally, it hardly seems credible to believe that anyone might lose their life over a fake radio broadcast, yet this is precisely what did happen just a decade later, when an Ecuadorian radio station fashioned their very own lethal version of The War of the Worlds.

The year was 1949, the date February 12th and the place Quito, the Ecuadorian capital city and home at the time to some 250,000 people. It should have been just another routine dramatic broadcast by the city's principle radio station, but by the end of that evening, the local newspaper office (home to the radio station) would be a smouldering ruin and at least six people dead at the hands of an enraged mob. But just how did this horrific tragedy come about'

The story begins at Radio Quito when the dramatic director Leonardo Páez was handed the task by the station management of bringing a new drama to life, though the actual idea originated from a Chilean member of staff named Eduardo Alcaraz. Alcaraz (his real name was Alfredo Vergara Morales) had brought with him from Chile a copy of the 1944 War of the Worlds script, an exciting connection to the earlier Latin American broadcast that has been confirmed to me by none other than the daughter of Leonardo Páez. It was Alcaraz who negotiated a contract to produce the play with the station management, but his role in the affair has been eclipsed by that of Páez, whose motivations and aims have been the source of much speculation over the years. Many histories of the event paint him in a highly suspect light; with it commonly claimed that Páez had withheld his intentions from the station management so as to cause the maximum amount of surprise to listeners. Writing in the well regarded book Ponzi Schemes, Invaders from Mars and other extraordinary Popular Delusions, Joseph Bulgatz went further, claiming Páez had planted stories about UFO landings in several newspapers in the days prior to the broadcast, and had even gone so far as to lock the doors to the studio so that the actors would not be disturbed.

At 9PM on the night of 12th, listeners were excited to be treated to a special performance by the hugely popular singing duo of Luis Alberto 'Potolo' Valencia and Gonzalo Benítez. In the middle of the song For me your memory, Listeners were suddenly alerted to an urgent piece of news that Martians were reported to have landed some 20 miles from Quito and that the aliens were advancing on the capital in the form of a large cloud. Crowds rushed out into the streets and in the heightened atmosphere of excitement, agitated imaginations transformed ordinary clouds into this ominous object. The airbase of Mariscal Sucre was next to be swept aside by the Martians, along with a north-western parish of Quito near the airport called Cotocallao. The reporter (played by Páez) was then heard to collapse as gas swept his position. Familiar voices (impersonated by actors) added to the panic. The Interior Minister urged calm and the Mayor of Quito was heard to announce "people of Quito, let us defend our city. Our women and children must go out into the surrounding heights to leave the men free for action and combat." A priest was heard asking for divine forgiveness as church bells tolled and then from atop the La Previsora tower (the highest point in Quito) came a terrifying description of a monster engulfed in plumes of fire and smoke that was advancing from the north.

In an uncanny parallel to the 1938 broadcast when listeners thought the invaders were actually Germans, many people in Ecuador thought that neighbouring Peru was the real aggressor. This was an understandable, since there was a great deal of enmity between the two countries due to border disputes. But regardless of whom listeners thought the invaders were, panic was now well and truly engulfing Quito and surrounding areas. Churches opened their doors to the terrified population who were pouring from their homes in their nightclothes and running about the streets in terror. One priest is said to have conducted an open air mass absolution of sins such were the overwhelming number of supplicants wishing to make peace with their God.

At last the station staff realised just what was happening in the streets. A belated admission and plea for calm was broadcast, which is when things got really serious. Up until this moment, no one appears to have been seriously hurt, but now a great many people in Quito were acutely aware they had been fooled, and were looking for something or someone to vent their fury upon. El Comercio, the largest and most respected paper in the country, owned radio Quito and the station was housed in the same building as the newspaper. It was to this location that the mob advanced, and in what might have seemed an ironic act by the crowd, set fire to copies of the El Comercio newspaper and hurled these (and other objects) at the building. The main entrance was blocked and a fire swiftly broke out. Some of the besieged staff of 100 people escaped from a rear exit, but many were trapped on upper floors and were forced in some desperate cases to leap from windows. Others attempted to form human chains to the ground, but many fell. The reported figures for the eventual death toll varies between about 6 and 20, with the former considered the more realistic number, but regardless of the how many died or were injured, it was a clearly a terrifying night with some despicable acts reported. It is said that the mob beat policemen who arrived on the scene and removed fire hydrants in order to thwart efforts to extinguish the blaze.

As the building burned, Army units drove tanks through the streets and fired tear gas to disperse the crowds, but help was late coming, as in the most deadly twist of the night, much of the cities emergency services had actually been dispatched to Cotocallao to join the battle against the Martians. Eventually order was restored, but the El Comercio building was severely damaged, with an estimated repair bill of some $350,000 dollars. Alongside the loss of life, much of the equipment for the station and presses for the paper had been destroyed.

In the aftermath, the defence minister was tasked with handling the investigation and over the next few days 21 arrests were made, both of rioters and station staff. Páez and Alcaraz were amongst those indicted, but here is where the story takes a strange and dark twist, much to the discomfort of surviving relatives of Páez. According to the accepted history of this event in the English speaking world, Páez really had planned to create a panic. Not only had he locked the station doors, but he had enjoyed the panic and upset he had caused. Having completed his diabolical mission, it has been dramatically claimed that he was last seen atop the roof of the El Comercio building, before disappearing from the pages of history, a wanted and reviled fugitive.





This certainly does make for an exciting tale, but there is another side to the story that needs to be told, for as revealed to me by his daughter, Páez did not disappear forever that night. Rather, he sensibly laid low for several months until he could present his case to a judge. Having had the good sense to retain a copy of the contract between Alcaraz and the station, he was able to prove conclusively that the station was fully aware of the play and its content, and as such he could not be held accountable for the reaction of the mob. The stories that he had locked the station door, enjoyed the upset caused by the broadcast and planted UFO stories are firmly refuted by his daughter. Páez had no authority to place stories in the El Comercio newspaper, and would never have stooped to this subterfuge even if he could have. He was hoping for some good reviews in the papers the following day, but had never imagined that people would react as they did. So exonerated in a court of law, Páez was free to resume his normal life, working without any stigma for other radio stations and newspapers in Ecuador.

Six years later he moved to Venezuela where he continued to work in radio and newspapers for several more decades. He passed away in 1991 while still living in Venezuela, leaving behind a highly regarded body of work that included a book about the Quito War of the Worlds broadcast called Los que siembran el viento, (Those that seed the wind) and over 20 popular Ecuadorian songs, including La Tuna Quiteña (The fiesta of Quito), which has become a perennial national favourite. In 1985 he was given the keys to the city of Quito, not the sort of accolade routinely given to a man thought guilty of a monstrous deception and the death of 6 of his compatriots.

This new information from Leonardo Páez's daughter demands that the role of her father needs to be urgently re-examined and that the testimony of others involved in the broadcast, notably Eduardo Alcaraz, (who was the source of many of the accusations against his partner), be revaluated. Clearly, there was a disastrous misjudgement by Radio Quito that night, but as with the original broadcast of 1938, it is easy to imagine that in the excitement of producing such an unusual drama, those involved simply let their enthusiasm blind them to the dangers. They would not be the last to make this mistake.

For more about the Quito War of the Worlds broadcast, see my book, Waging the War of the Worlds: A History of the 1938 Radio Broadcast and Resulting Panic.

Check out another "War Of The Worlds" Scare:
http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/war_worlds_santiago.htm

Even as Democrats cheered the politics of big government in Charlotte this week, the books that Americans are actually reading tell a different story about the America they want:


"Obama's America," a critical examination of President Barack Obama's anticolonial worldview and an analysis of his deeper agenda, by Dinesh D'Souza, claimed the No. 1 spot on the New York Times Sept. 16 bestseller list, after debuting at No. 5 when it was released in August.

"Obama's America" builds on D'Souza's new movie, "2016: Obama's America," the box office surprise of the summer.

The achievement marks the second book this year from Regnery Publishing that has crowned the hardcover non-fiction list and the third Regnery book to reach the top two. All were about Barack Obama's presidency.

"The Amateur" by Ed Klein, a stinging portrayal of President Obama's leadership, continues its remarkable 16-week run by placing No. 6 on same list, after spending its first seven weeks at No. 1. It has been lauded and recommended by readers as varied as News Corp. founder Rupert Murdoch and former Vice President Dick Cheney.

The third 2012 Regnery book to rise on the list, to No. 2, was David Limbaugh's "The Great Destroyer: Barack Obama's War on the Republic," in which Limbaugh presents Obama's full-scale assault on America's institutions, from economy and culture to national security and future.

It is the first time in the company's history that two books have taken the No. 1 bestseller spot in the same year. Regnery is part of Washington, D.C.-based Eagle Publishing, which also owns Human Events Group.

Oh, be still my beating heart. 8)

I have just finished reading, Area 51, An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base, by Annie Jacobsen, 2012, chuckle.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 11, 2012, 03:24:33 PM
Oh, be still my beating heart. 8)

Diane, Diane... (sighhhhhh.....) how would you feel if you were told that yesterday never existed, but that your universe began when you closed the door to leave the house . this morning?  Or that it began when you started to read "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?"

It is an alarming thought, is it not?  Yet, it is true.  Your universe extends just beyond your fingertips.  Stretch, reach out, try and touch that bubble which surrounds you.  The people that you think that you see, think that you hear are not really there.  They are projections upon the bubble, images created in your mind.  You cannot reach the edge of the bubble, it moves as you do, forever retreating at the speed of thought.  If you move your head, does it take a moment for the view to catch up?  Is the refresh rate of your universe fast enough for you?

Is there a cold feeling in the pit of your stomach?  The knowledge of no past is a terrifying thought.  You are being manipulated into believing this world is real.  Your eyes deceive you, your ears lie to you.  The screen in front of you, the mouse in your hand, they are the only real items in your personal universe.  The truth is told within these lines.

You don't believe in UFOs.  How can it be true, you say? You remember this morning; last night. You made plans for this evening... but they will never happen.  You live this moment repeatedly.  There has never been a time when you were not reading 'The  Hitchhiker....."  What you think are memories are facades, added after your conception; what you believe to be plans are the same: images upon the surface of a pond; unreal, Diane.

Who is watching you from beyond the membrane of existence?  Manipulating you, making you re-enact this moment?  This question will haunt you through this moment of incarnation you call the present.  You will ponder it, and yet will never fathom it, for the answer is more sinister than you can imagine.

You are the toy, the plaything, and the pet of beings from another time, another world.  They have gained mastery of time and all its inhabitants.  They have created you for the sole purpose of seeing how you react, act, and think.  They are watching you now, making notes on your facial expressions and body language.  Don't glance up, for you may catch their sophisticated systems by surprise, see them through the thin veil of reality they have created for you.

This truth has been placed in the pages of "The Hitchhiker..." for this iteration only; you will not see it again.  Do not let the beings watching you know that you know they are watching you, for the iteration will terminate before you can do anything about it.  Did you think you found this by accident?  No, you have friends on the other side of the veil who want to help you break free.... Red, Patriot, Steve... to name a few.

And you can affect this life you believe you control.  You can break this loop of eternal repetition and be free.

All you have to do is believe in the fact that you are being coerced.  Once you believe that, they cannot force a repetition on you again.  Their programming cannot break through the belief.  Their systems cannot handle you when you know their systems are trying.

Believe in the truth.  Believe your whole life has been a sham concocted by beings greater than you can imagine.

But, you cannot believe, can you?  You do not see how you could be controlled.  Yet, you believe that this morning happened.
You believe that you have free will.

Is it not the same?

Your failure to believe in UFOs is saddening, for you will never be free.  Shortly, you will iterate again, and have no knowledge of this little post.  You have failed.  You must believe in the truth.  The truth is out there!  8)



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You been hanging around Rod Serling again? or you've been into the LSD...having a good trip? ;)

Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 12, 2012, 09:09:27 PM
You been hanging around Rod Serling again? or you've been into the LSD...having a good trip? ;)

Hmmm... Okay, let me try this then.  I know that you are a Independent, leaning left of center.  Right?  This is what I think of left-wingers.  I have come to believe that left-wingers hail from a different planet.  That isn't said in order to insult them, but to try to make sense of the stupid things they say and the nasty things they do.

For instance:
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After all, why would rational earthlings want to radically alter America?  A little tinkering might be okay, but what Obuma and his goons have done over the past few years is the equivalent of re-inventing the wheel and giving it square corners.  Why would earthlings even consider basing our economy on a system that has consistently failed in left-wing nations stretching from the Soviet Union to Cuba and Venezuela, leaving only dead bodies and ruins in its wake?

And just listen to the words they spew forth.  The Wicked Witch of the West Nancy Pelosi, tells America and her colleagues in the House that they'll have to pass ObumaCare before they find out what's lurking in its two thousand-odd pages.  Rahm Emanuel tells his fellow Chicagoans that if they're going to kill someone in his town, they should do it in an alley so that a stray bullet doesn't hit an innocent kid.  Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz claims she has no idea if a political ad that insinuates Mitt Romney is personally responsible for a woman dying of cancer was produced by Democrats.  For good measure, Debbie W-S, who is the head of the DNC, doubles down by insisting that Paul Ryan's budget will deprive the elderly of their Medicare benefits even though she very well knows that the Republican budget changes absolutely nothing for anyone over the age of 55.

For his part, Obuma and Harry "LV Hood" Reid have the chutzpah to demand to see Romney's tax returns going back to the Civil War, while Obuma has concealed everything from his college application to his foreign travel visa.  The only thing this schmuck shares with the world at large are America's national security secrets, never any secrets of his own.

An honest difference of opinion is fine.  At the creation of our nation, the Founding Fathers disagreed about a great many things.  But they didn't lie.  Even in the often slimy world of politics, there's only one creature lower than a candidate who lies about himself and that's one who puts lies in the mouth of his opponent.  Liberals are forever casting themselves in the role of superheroes sworn to saving those they refer to as the less fortunate.  What they never mention is that they have devoted over half a century and several trillion dollars to this holy cause, and all we have to show for it is a bankrupt economy and even greater numbers of those wallowing on the bottom.

Naturally, there's a logical reason for it.  It's because liberals merely dub everyone who belongs to certain minority groups as "unfortunate," instead of concluding that there are millions of people here in America, many of them here illegally, who simply don't wish to get off their own bottoms in order to improve their lot in life.

Why would these "unfortunate" girls bother getting an education when, instead, they can get knocked up in their teens, figuring welfare will support them and their brood for the next 60 years, leaving them free to watch soap operas; and when "unfortunate" young males decide they would prefer spending their time knocking up their girlfriends, cutting classes, getting stoned and peddling drugs?  These are not innocent victims of a corrupt society; they are the corrupt result of national policies that encourage sloth and ignorance.  It's not even fair to refer to them as being stuck on a plantation as if they were latter-day slaves because actual slaves had to work or they didn't eat.

Something that has always confounded me is why those on the Left are always so anxious for the federal government to keep expanding when history tells them that at least half the time, Republicans are going to be in control of that very same government.  I finally figured out that most Republican politicians aren't really opposed to expanding Washington's grasp, they simply don't want Democrats doing the expanding.

But things under Obuma have reached the breaking point, and I have to believe that Romney & Ryan will at the very least do their level best to keep the country from going over the edge and following such lemmings as Greece, Italy and Spain, to the rocks below.

I read recently that in Israel, they have developed special eyeglasses for orthodox Jews.  The purpose isn't to improve their eyesight, but to slightly blur their vision so that they won't be corrupted by the sight of immodestly dressed women.  At first, I figured there would be a run on these glasses by male members of Congress, who would be spared having to clearly see the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee, especially too soon after the lunch break.

A day later, I received an email from a friend, who let me know that he had recently had an operation on his left eye to take care of a macular hole, followed by a cataract operation on his right eye.  That meant he had to wear a patch on his right eye, leaving him dependent on his still-blurry left eye for a few days.  As a result, he couldn't drive and couldn't read, but it did ultimately leave him, he claims, with a better understanding of Democrats. The world was unchanged, he reported, but because he saw everything through the distorted view of his impaired left eye, he concluded that Democrats simply have a very skewed view of reality.  I know where he is coming from because I went  through the same thing with the macular hole and cataract surgery.

But for me, it still remains a mystery whether liberals don't see the same things as conservatives or simply don't see things the same way.  Is it that their vision is faulty or are their brains simply not equipped to process what they see?

In any case, I'll try to keep an open mind, but for the time being, I'm sticking with my Out-In-Space theory.


P.S. - Never tried Lucyintheskywithdiamonds... how is it?

Quote from: Warph on September 13, 2012, 02:55:38 AM

Hmmm... Okay, let me try this then.  I know that you are a Independent, leaning left of center.  Right?  This is what I think of left-wingers.  I have come to believe that left-wingers hail from a different planet.  That isn't said in order to insult them, but to try to make sense of the stupid things they say and the nasty things they do.

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Huh ? I'm scared to ask what all that stands for

Quote from: jarhead on September 13, 2012, 12:21:44 PM
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Huh ? I'm scared to ask what all that stands for

Ahh, that's an easy one space cadet....

rollonthefloorlaughingmyarseoffshootmetothemooncovermeinsugarandfeedmetothebears   ;D

 Warph, nope, all those silly "what party are you" tests show me as moderate leaning toward Libertarian. I never come up as a Liberal, not even close. Remember, my blood lines are double Kansas and until Daddy couldn't get a grip on G.W Bush, he had always voted Republican..... the people with the big bucks . ;)  Mom was a bit more liberal in action, but still a Repub, when voting. Why does it matter?
  Actually, I think all sides can be very stupid a lot of the time.That's why I have always found politics fascinating. I like to watch and catch the outright lies, modified truths ,half bricks and "suggestive' and leading statements that all sides resort to then it's close to election.
   Some day I'll tell ya about our recent County Executive primary. If Tom Gordon (Dem.) wins in Nov., which he probably will, we are in a heap of trouble. He was already CE once several years ago and has come back to cause more problems again.
  He's a crook! He was indited on several counts but managed to get off ,turned on his CEO and got her convicted in his place. Then he pleaded "poverty" so the county would have to pay his legal fees. ::) (At the time he was collecting a $70,000.00 a year pension from having been the County Police chief!) Just recently he had county police officers stop their cars and put up his campaign posters! Gee, what Hatch Act! I'm just sick!

   In the meantime, I think trying to make the Pres. look bad as a campaign strategy during this Libya thing is bad form. Let the man try to do his job.
   How is all the the drug junk? Other that having PCP offered to me while transporting a totally stoned UD student, who wanted to "read" the bumps on my head, ;D ;D ;D I stayed away from all of it including alcohol.  Remember I was an EMT back then and had to deal with all manner of overdoses, some funny, some fatal. Al and I taught the drug blocks in the EMT classes and even had some fake Mary Jane we could burn so the class could smell it.  The real stuff gave me a terrible headache, so I couldn't be around it second hand at parties either. I'm pretty square, huh?

Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 01:35:11 PM
He's a crook! He was indited on several counts but managed to get off ,turned on his CEO and got her convicted in his place.

<hauling in several large rolls of tin foil & hat forms>

Hey teach!  Did you mean indited or indicted.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 01:35:11 PM
Warph, nope, all those silly "what party are you" tests show me as moderate leaning toward Libertarian. I never come up as a Liberal, not even close. Remember, my blood lines are double Kansas and until Daddy couldn't get a grip on G.W Bush, he had always voted Republican..... the people with the big bucks . ;)  Mom was a bit more liberal in action, but still a Repub, when voting. Why does it matter?
   Actually, I think all sides can be very stupid a lot of the time.That's why I have always found politics fascinating. I like to watch and catch the outright lies, modified truths ,half bricks and "suggestive' and leading statements that all sides resort to then it's close to election.
    Some day I'll tell ya about our recent County Executive primary. If Tom Gordon (Dem.) wins in Nov., which he probably will, we are in a heap of trouble. He was already CE once several years ago and has come back to cause more problems again.
   He's a crook! He was indited on several counts but managed to get off ,turned on his CEO and got her convicted in his place. Then he pleaded "poverty" so the county would have to pay his legal fees. ::) (At the time he was collecting a $70,000.00 a year pension from having been the County Police chief!) Just recently he had county police officers stop their cars and put up his campaign posters! Gee, what Hatch Act! I'm just sick!

    In the meantime, I think trying to make the Pres. look bad as a campaign strategy during this Libya thing is bad form. Let the man try to do his job.
    How is all the the drug junk? Other that having PCP offered to me while transporting a totally stoned UD student, who wanted to "read" the bumps on my head, ;D ;D ;D I stayed away from all of it including alcohol.  Remember I was an EMT back then and had to deal with all manner of overdoses, some funny, some fatal. Al and I taught the drug blocks in the EMT classes and even had some fake Mary Jane we could burn so the class could smell it.  The real stuff gave me a terrible headache, so I couldn't be around it second hand at parties either. I'm pretty square, huh?

Don't leave out " How is all the the drug junk "

Wait!  UD student?  Drug Junk?  Isn't UD where Di went to school?  Ahhhh, now it's making sense.

Tinfoil, anyone?

Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 01:35:11 PM
  I stayed away from all of it..... The real stuff gave me a terrible headache

      HUH ?

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2012, 02:19:00 PM

     HUH ?

Like Clinton... Tried it, but never inhaled.

That or the synthetic stuff was better!

You are such a snot! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D For once I can blame, not myself, but my computer. I did hit the c but several of my keys are working well and it didn't print and I didn't catch it...not my fault this time, well sort of.  I do know the difference in the words.
 Al wants me to get a new computer but I'm too cheap to do it right now, plus I don't know what I want. I'm very open to suggestions. I may see about another lap top.
   Bull. If I went to a party where marijuana was being smoked, I'd have to leave or go outside. It gave me a terrible headache to be around it. I can't stand toluene based products either, headache and sick for sure.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
You are such a snot! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D For once I can blame, not myself, but my computer. I did hit the c but several of my keys are working well and it didn't print and I didn't catch it...not my fault this time, well sort of.

Baaaad computer.  Shame on you.  Baaad computer!  <Smack!>


Wait a cotton pickin minute.....

Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
...I did hit the c but several of my keys are working well...

"several of my keys are working well"?  So they are working well?  We'll blame that one on the 'toluene based products' 

Uh huh.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Me too! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

     Baaad computer.  I still got tears in my eyes , Patriot !  :laugh:  Priceless.

    STAY AWAY FROM THE C KEY ! 

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 13, 2012, 02:57:54 PM
     Baaad computer.  I still got tears in my eyes , Patriot !  :laugh:  Priceless.

    STAY AWAY FROM THE C KEY ! 

I c.

That's OK, I laughed too. I've always said my typing stinks. You can criticize my poor typing all you want.
   Now this time I fixed the c, so I c 2.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 03:05:12 PM
...so I c 2.

You c 2?  Double vision can be a result of drug induced states, you know. 

2 as in also..Is everything I say too sophisticated for ya? ICU2  Better watch out!

Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 03:14:23 PM
...Is everything I say too sophisticated for ya?

Not at all.  Though I would have to ask you the same question.

Not to worry.  Your mother ship will be here soon so you can recharge your dilithium crystals. 

Not to worry,I can make my own in a special protected safe room in my basement.

Quote from: Warph on September 13, 2012, 03:26:33 PM
Hmmm... Okay, let me try this then.  I know that you are a Independent, leaning left of center.  Right?  This is what I think of left-wingers.  I have come to believe that left-wingers hail from a different planet.  That isn't said in order to insult them, but to try to make sense of the stupid things they say and the nasty things they do.

For instance:


After all, why would rational earthlings want to radically alter America?  A little tinkering might be okay, but what Obuma and his goons have done over the past few years is the equivalent of re-inventing the wheel and giving it square corners.  Why would earthlings even consider basing our economy on a system that has consistently failed in left-wing nations stretching from the Soviet Union to Cuba and Venezuela, leaving only dead bodies and ruins in its wake?

And just listen to the words they spew forth.  The Wicked Witch of the West Nancy Pelosi, tells America and her colleagues in the House that they'll have to pass ObumaCare before they find out what's lurking in its two thousand-odd pages.  Rahm Emanuel tells his fellow Chicagoans that if they're going to kill someone in his town, they should do it in an alley so that a stray bullet doesn't hit an innocent kid.  Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz claims she has no idea if a political ad that insinuates Mitt Romney is personally responsible for a woman dying of cancer was produced by Democrats.  For good measure, Debbie W-S, who is the head of the DNC, doubles down by insisting that Paul Ryan's budget will deprive the elderly of their Medicare benefits even though she very well knows that the Republican budget changes absolutely nothing for anyone over the age of 55.

For his part, Obuma and Harry "LV Hood" Reid have the chutzpah to demand to see Romney's tax returns going back to the Civil War, while Obuma has concealed everything from his college application to his foreign travel visa.  The only thing this schmuck shares with the world at large are America's national security secrets, never any secrets of his own.

An honest difference of opinion is fine.  At the creation of our nation, the Founding Fathers disagreed about a great many things.  But they didn't lie.  Even in the often slimy world of politics, there's only one creature lower than a candidate who lies about himself and that's one who puts lies in the mouth of his opponent.  Liberals are forever casting themselves in the role of superheroes sworn to saving those they refer to as the less fortunate.  What they never mention is that they have devoted over half a century and several trillion dollars to this holy cause, and all we have to show for it is a bankrupt economy and even greater numbers of those wallowing on the bottom.

Naturally, there's a logical reason for it.  It's because liberals merely dub everyone who belongs to certain minority groups as "unfortunate," instead of concluding that there are millions of people here in America, many of them here illegally, who simply don't wish to get off their own bottoms in order to improve their lot in life.

Why would these "unfortunate" girls bother getting an education when, instead, they can get knocked up in their teens, figuring welfare will support them and their brood for the next 60 years, leaving them free to watch soap operas; and when "unfortunate" young males decide they would prefer spending their time knocking up their girlfriends, cutting classes, getting stoned and peddling drugs?  These are not innocent victims of a corrupt society; they are the corrupt result of national policies that encourage sloth and ignorance.  It's not even fair to refer to them as being stuck on a plantation as if they were latter-day slaves because actual slaves had to work or they didn't eat.

Something that has always confounded me is why those on the Left are always so anxious for the federal government to keep expanding when history tells them that at least half the time, Republicans are going to be in control of that very same government.  I finally figured out that most Republican politicians aren't really opposed to expanding Washington's grasp, they simply don't want Democrats doing the expanding.

But things under Obuma have reached the breaking point, and I have to believe that Romney & Ryan will at the very least do their level best to keep the country from going over the edge and following such lemmings as Greece, Italy and Spain, to the rocks below.

I read recently that in Israel, they have developed special eyeglasses for orthodox Jews.  The purpose isn't to improve their eyesight, but to slightly blur their vision so that they won't be corrupted by the sight of immodestly dressed women.  At first, I figured there would be a run on these glasses by male members of Congress, who would be spared having to clearly see the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee, especially too soon after the lunch break.

A day later, I received an email from a friend, who let me know that he had recently had an operation on his left eye to take care of a macular hole, followed by a cataract operation on his right eye.  That meant he had to wear a patch on his right eye, leaving him dependent on his still-blurry left eye for a few days.  As a result, he couldn't drive and couldn't read, but it did ultimately leave him, he claims, with a better understanding of Democrats. The world was unchanged, he reported, but because he saw everything through the distorted view of his impaired left eye, he concluded that Democrats simply have a very skewed view of reality.  I know where he is coming from because I went  through the same thing with the macular hole and cataract surgery.

But for me, it still remains a mystery whether liberals don't see the same things as conservatives or simply don't see things the same way.  Is it that their vision is faulty or are their brains simply not equipped to process what they see?

Warph~~ that was stated beautifully!!!

Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2012, 03:05:12 PM
In the meantime, I think trying to make the Pres. look bad as a campaign strategy during this Libya thing is bad form. Let the man try to do his job.

Uhhhmmmm~~~ and what exactly would that job be?? ??    .. other than the obvious of what he has done so far... which is nothing but destroy or try to destroy everything that remotely starts or ends with the word America.

No.no.no.I just meant in regards to the Libya thing. For better or worse he's the President right now and has to make the decisions.
  This is the time, not for running for President, but for being one. Who else is going to make the decisions? Who else can the Libyan Gov't talk to? We can't just lock the White House front door and pull down the shades.This mess could have some real consequences world wide. We can't just roll over because the current President isn't popular. He can't just turn his back on this.

       Why would he do anything different now. The gutless wonder is probably sitting back smoking a big fatty watching Foxnews.

In case you folks have not heard it yet, there were two, not one, flying saucers captured by the Army at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. Old news is that the craft were taken to Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio. But in 1951, they were moved to Area 51.

These flying saucers were not from outer space. They were of earthly origin, built in Russia using "old" German technology supplied and applied by the German scientists captured by the Russians. They flew from Russia to the U.S. where they encountered flight problems over New Mexico. Joseph Stalin wanted to scare the American public with the UFO flyovers.

The two little men captured at Roswell were in a coma (and apparently never came out of it) and they were also of earthly origin—children monstrosities created by Russian captured German scientists who had experimented on live human bodies during WWII.

This is what Annie Jacobsen says in Area 51, An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base. 2012 She seriously says she received this information first hand from a 92 year old Area 51 alumnus.

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The Vault is our new electronic reading room, containing 6,700 documents and other media that have been scanned from paper into digital copies so you can read them in the comfort of your home or office.

Included here are many new files that have been released to the public but never added to this website; dozens of records previously posted on our site but removed as requests diminished; files from our previous electronic reading room, and new, previously unreleased files.


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Roswell UFO Part 1 of 1
July 22, 1947

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Just when it seemed that UFO sightings could be dismissed as hoaxes or at the least mistaken sightings, the FBI adds fuel to the controversy. Perhaps the truth is out there.

A memo released online by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in its 'Vault' has emerged as proof for the famed landing -- or crash or capture -- of a flying saucer with three dead aliens in Roswell in New Mexico in June 1947.

"Three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico. They were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter."
The report, which is registered on the FBI's online Vault library, then goes on to describe the 3ft human-like bodies of the aliens among the remains of the UFO landing.
According to the document, each foreign body was dressed in a fine metallic cloth and bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed flyers and test pilots.

On July 8, 1947, Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) public information office in Roswell, New Mexico, issued a press release stating that personnel from the field's 509th Bomb Group had recovered a crashed "flying disk" from a ranch near Roswell, sparking intense media interest. The following day, the press reported that Commanding General of the Eighth Air Force stated that, in fact, a radar-tracking balloon had been recovered by the RAAF personnel, not a "flying disc.



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S4 info
« on: September 16, 2012, 07:31:24 PM »This is the brief  story of Dan Burisch for what it's worth

In 1994, Dan Burisch received and accepted an offer to work on a TOP SECRET program known as Project Aquarius, located at an underground facility known as Papoose Lake facility (S-4), (aka The Dark Side of the Moon), located 12 miles south of Area 51 in Nevada.

This guy is a MEMBER of MJ 12 so take everything with a BIG pile of salt. That being said I think you should hear what he had to say!

It was here at S-4, that Dan would come into contact with physical evidence that truly challenged his belief system. He learned that the U.S. military was in possession of hardware not originating from this planet. This included physical structured vehicles of extraterrestrial origin, and their occupants. He learned that the United States Government was working with extraterrestrial visitor's for decades, and that many technological advancements directly associated with the field of military aerospace, were actually made through a reverse
engineering program beginning in the 1940's. Dan described the facility as having five working floors, with the last floor accessible by only one elevator.

Transportation from Area 51 to Area S4 was by either standard issue blue colored Air Force bus, U.S. Army Blackhawk helicopter, or Soviet Mi-24 Hind helicopter.
The S4 facility has nine hangar bays which are built into the side of the Papoose mountain range at an angle of 60 degrees. The exterior texture of the bay doors were specifically designed to blend in with the surrounding background. A small tarmac is located immediately in front of the hangar bays to facilitate the removal of the different craft. A unique walkway consisting of parallel blue and red lines leads directly to the front entrance.
Dan was told to stay within the blue lines, and never to break the boundaries of the exterior red lines. Security guards along this oppressive walkway had shoot to kill orders to neutralize anyone who breached the red lines.  The facility was originally designed as a biological weapons laboratory in the early 1950's. Level 1 housed fire control equipment, a dining facility, communications, security/surveillance, an avionics laboratory, and the archives or files department. Provisions for a propulsion research laboratory are also housed on the first floor of Area S-4. The dining area seats consisted of round tables with four attached round seats. The cafeteria seating arrangement was broken down specific projects which included: Project Galileo, weapons research, Project Looking Glass, and Project Aquarius. Note: special members of MJ-12 had their own designated table in the cafeteria. The interior of all nine hangar bays included a red circle which contained the designation 4-1 in red text.

I also have pictures and other info if you are interested, I can't post the file the system says it's too large of a file.
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And then you have this in 2012.  Maybe we can
get the two Forum Experts on UFOs, Jarhead &
Larryj to explain what is going on here in this video:   






REMEMBER:

Warph,
I do not believe there are alien beings invading the earth-----but---I don't want to talk about it when I'm coon hunting at night. That conversation is best debated during day light hours, in the comfort of the local bar.

Soooooo... what the hell is going on here, Spock ???

Remember that Area 51 event scheduled for September 22, when we (that's the plebeian "we," as opposed to the royal "we," which is to say, really you, or youish) were going to learn the Truth about what the government has been covering up out there?  Has anyone seen any news on this?  I can only find announcements in anticipation of the shindig.  Was everyone scooped up by the Mother Ship ???   :o

         

             

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/sep/25/ufo-military-secrets-revealed-revelations-spark-mo/

....summed up: "The enthusiastic audience really appreciated the panel's candor, but they probably left with more questions than answers."


Whaaaa..... thats it.....


Hell... I got more information out of Mike Wallace and these videos (cir. 1958) then that silly panel:

"Exopolitics Hong Kong - Keyhoe the champion of Exopolitics, interviewed by Mike Wallace during the 1950's. The author of FLYING SAUCERS ARE REAL, Keyhow set about trying to prove that UFOs exist and is being covered by the US Airforce. Former Marine Air Corps, director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena, conducted an investigation of the existence of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs). Keyhoe talks to Wallace about the United States military, reports of UFO sightings, the various theories explaining UFOs, government cover-ups, and the possibility of interplanetary war. An historic film well worth preserving."











Then there is this:




...and especially this video:
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