A man does need self esteem to survive but it does not come from a bottle, needle or government check. Self esteem comes the old-fashioned way: you earn it. It cannot be given. It cannot be stolen. Self esteem comes from proving yourself in this world. Not from the soft, soothing words of Liberals leading you to the holding pen.
The Constitution was written by free men for free men, willingly accepted by free men. It was never a document for moochers.
http://lewrockwell.com/wilson-brian/wilson-brian40.1.html
And who else benefits from Food Stamps? The person who created the food, that the person who used the food stamps bought in the store. You ever hear of the working poor? The people who hold multiple jobs, but need Food Stamps to make it? Many of the kids I taught in Maryland were in that category. They worked, but had large families, so their paycheck didn't go very far. I suppose nobody out there ever needs help. No kids are ever on reduced or free lunches or get food stamps. Kansasans are all so wealthy...yeah, right. Pull your nose back down or you may drown, if it ever rains again. A few of you should really be ashamed of yourselves.
Just as those nasty folks who work for Government, in any capacity, support the economy by spending their money, usually locally. When ya need to work or need to sell something retail to many your living, do you really care the political party of the person handing over the money you just earned?
I just bought a second refrigerator for our garage. Do you really think I care how the young sales man will vote in November? I just know I was free to buy whatever I could afford without a quota or Gov't interference of any kind and I contributed to his living too.
Teachers buy housing, food, supplies, clothes, fuel, vehicles, furniture, pay for repairs and everything else a middle class person purchases. They buy whatever the local kids are peddling, donate to whatever needs donating to, support their local communities in any way they can, but to some on here they are the sworn enemy.That is so sad and short sighted it makes me sick.
OK, the next batch of cukes are done brining, so I'll get off the soap box and go make some more pickles.
Quote from Diane:
No kids are ever on reduced or free lunches or get food stamps. Kansasans are all so wealthy...yeah, right. Pull your nose back down or you may drown, if it ever rains again. A few of you should really be ashamed of yourselves.
So Red posts something written by a Brian Wilson and that warrants slamming people from Kansas ? Unbelievable !! I don't think it is us that should be ashamed of ourselves. Could you tell us one more time how rich you are and how you can afford to buy this and that and yada yada yada.
PS: What's a Kansasan ? Is that just another way to get your little dig into people from Kansas or Elk County ?
Wow Jar, ya really had to work to find something to pick at me about this time. Why so touchy? I've been following a bunch of posts, just interested to see what would follow now that your primary is over. The post from Red just tipped it over. A few of you really have it all nice for yourselves. Some, thank goodness not many, think they were put on earth to point out all the faults of anyone on here who isn't a cookie cutter of themselves, and then get their backs all up when someone stands up and says "enough already." Then we have to hear, ''Well, what about what YOU said,"as if a defensive retort isn't allowed and justifies the original attack. It's getting really old.
Now, as for me being rich. HA! Would it matter if I were? Wassa matter ,ya jealous? ;D I'm a real tight wad. I don't know where that came from. You must mean Frank.
You yak on and on about that underground Taz Majal you pretend to have and nobody bothers you about it, because we are all smart enough to know you are just having fun. Can't some of you do the same? Not enough brain juice or what? I mean poor ol' Ross just about brags about it.
As far as Red's comment about self esteem I must disagree. Good self esteem comes from one's own self, from knowing a person has been successful at something that matters to them. A pay check may or may not be involved. Poor self esteem can come from external sources such as relentless ridicule and bullying, or internally from knowing one has not been living up to their own expectations or potential. Respect is something else entirely.
People who insist on finding something negative about anything someone else says, without regard to the real neutrality of the words, may be suffering from low self esteem. Why is it so important to you to find a "dig" from me, when you know perfectly well anybody with even a little sense will know there wasn't one? Sorry, it doesn't work.
On several occasions one of you has managed to create a "veiled threat" out of thin air in order to have created something negative and divert the conversation away from the topic at hand.
Well, the pickles have finished processing. Time to hunt up the steaks for the grill. Now you can go pretend to be all shocked and offended. HA!
Good God Jar, you having a bad day or what? Is there anyone that isn't on reduced lunches? I'm right there with ya Diane. You might not be ashamed of yourself Jarhead, but your Mama wouldn't be very proud of you right now. Better get back to church boy! :police:
You're right Guns.I am so ashamed of my self for sticking up for the folks of Kansas who get slammed all the time. What was I thinking ? Lack of brain juice I guess.
You are right again Diane---I am so jealous of you---I guess---if you say so !!! Now you go ahead and enjoy that big ol juicy steak with another bottle---or two---of fine wine. Meanwhile we are going to grill some Vienna Sausages but I aint bitching. We are splurging and this can the family is splitting are REAL beef , not them cheap chicken kind---then it's off the church because Guns told me to----I guess.
The only Kansas folks who get slammed are the very few, who, as many other Kansas folks will agree, deserve it. Some of you are just lookin' for a squabble on every post, why I don't know. Sorry if I raised your quills.
Jar, there are two 4 oz. little steaks and iced tea since we don't drink alcohol ,fresh sliced tomatoes, fresh Lima beans, grilled pineapple and grilled yellow squash. Most is from our garden. Now what's so remarkable about that?
By the way, if you ever actually priced the cost of Vienna Sausages, you might find that per pound, the steak is cheaper. ;)
Oh, I almost forgot... Jar, if you ever read any of Brian Wilson's blogs, he is a very self depreciating fellow, pretty funny sometimes, and has his tongue so far in his cheek most times it's a wonder he doesn't choke. He doesn't have much good to say about Romney, at least part of the time.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 11, 2012, 12:13:39 PM
And who else benefits from Food Stamps?
No one. Its paid for with stolen money for one, and those that take it owe the power that calls itself the government. They also owe the taxpayer and therefore are in debt.
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
IF you take food stamps you owe for it. It is not Charity or giving when it is not freely given by those who give it.
QuoteThe person who created the food,
They don't count in that since noone can use them to buy from the ones who grow it.
The stores are the ones who receive stolen property. The farmers don't.
QuoteYou ever hear of the working poor? The people who hold multiple jobs, but need Food Stamps to make it?
You ever hear of bettering ones self? IF you work multiple jobs and do not have enough to eat then your priorities are whats wrong. There are certain priorities in making it. 1. house and transportation 2. food, 3 clothes, 4. utilities and 5. what needs are as they graduate out. Last of all comes the wants like cable tv or cell phones or whatever.
QuoteMany of the kids I taught in Maryland were in that category. They worked, but had large families, so their paycheck didn't go very far.
Ahh but there again that isn't the taxpayers fault. They have large families, whos fault is that. I had a large family guess what when i became disabled, no money coming in my 15, 16, 17 year old went and got jobs and helped pay the bills. Thats how people survive. Not sucking off someone else. Gotta say they earned their self esteem too by holding down full time jobs and graduating highschool with damn good grades.
QuoteI suppose nobody out there ever needs help.
Thats not here nor there, everyone does but very few give it. Damn few people will let loose with anything extra that they might have to give to someone who might need it. BUT the few that do do so without ever being asked by those who need it. They are observant and find out who needs something.
QuoteNo kids are ever on reduced or free lunches or get food stamps.
quite
quite frankly i have never seen any starving kids in this country. I am sure there might be a few, but most kids these days are fat. alot of them could stand to miss a few meals and a lot of adults could stand to miss some too!
QuoteJust as those nasty folks who work for Government, in any capacity, support the economy by spending their money, usually locally. When ya need to work or need to sell something retail to many your living, do you really care the political party of the person handing over the money you just earned?
Hmmm so your working for government. A non productive money sucking entity. Your income comes from stolen money that other people that are productive in society create. And your saying that your spending generates money. I have to disagree cause if the government didnt' take that money to begin with, it would still be in my pocket or invested in business that produces items for other productive individuals to consume. There would be lower prices, and better living. We could then afford to feed our children without working multiple jobs and without sucking off the food stamp program. We could also pay for better education for the children and still have money left over to carry us through our elder years which would negate the need for medicare and social security.
Jarhead, I am sorry that you are one of those Kansans getting slammed. You need to be a good person like someone I know and that won't happen! ;)
Diane, I doubt that Jarhead paid much for those Vienna Sauages. I bet he made them himself with ground up armidillo and opposum! He's handy that way you know.
Quote from greatguns:
You need to be a good person like someone I know
Speaking of your sister Rita, how's she been doing ?
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 11, 2012, 05:21:16 AM
A man does need self esteem to survive but it does not come from a bottle, needle or government check. Self esteem comes the old-fashioned way: you earn it. It cannot be given. It cannot be stolen. Self esteem comes from proving yourself in this world. Not from the soft, soothing words of Liberals leading you to the holding pen.
The Constitution was written by free men for free men, willingly accepted by free men. It was never a document for moochers.
http://lewrockwell.com/wilson-brian/wilson-brian40.1.html
Red, you and Brian Wilson missed the most important thing about "self esteem" (tho' I agree with what he said about Obuma). A Church-goer wrote a letter to the editor of a newspaper and complained that it made no sense to go to church every Sunday. He says,"I've gone for 30 years now, and in that time I have heard something like 3,000 sermons. But for the life of me, I can't remember a single one of them. So, I think I'm wasting my time and the pastors are wasting theirs by giving sermons at all."
This started a real controversy in the "Letters to the Editor" column, much to the delight of the editor. It went on for weeks until someone wrote this clincher:
"I've been married for 30 years now. In that time my wife has cooked some 32,000 meals. But, for the life of me, I cannot recall the entire menu for a single one of those meals. But I do know this. They all nourished me and gave me the strength I needed to do my work. If my wife had not given me these meals, I would be physically dead today. Likewise, if I had not gone to church for nourishment, I would be spiritually dead today and no self esteem!"
The way I look at it, Red, is when you are DOWN to nothing... God is UP to something! As my Pastor says, "Faith sees the invisible, believes the incredible and receives the impossible!." So I say, Thank God for our physical AND our spiritual nourishment! Remember, when Satan is knocking at your door , simply say, "Jesus, could you get that for me?" Now that's self esteem.
My good sister Rita is doing wel and so is her Mother. :P
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 11, 2012, 12:13:39 PM
And who else benefits from Food Stamps? The person who created the food, that the person who used the food stamps bought in the store. You ever hear of the working poor? The people who hold multiple jobs, but need Food Stamps to make it? Many of the kids I taught in Maryland were in that category. They worked, but had large families, so their paycheck didn't go very far. I suppose nobody out there ever needs help. No kids are ever on reduced or free lunches or get food stamps. Kansasans are all so wealthy...yeah, right. Pull your nose back down or you may drown, if it ever rains again. A few of you should really be ashamed of yourselves.
Just as those nasty folks who work for Government, in any capacity, support the economy by spending their money, usually locally. When ya need to work or need to sell something retail to many your living, do you really care the political party of the person handing over the money you just earned?
I just bought a second refrigerator for our garage. Do you really think I care how the young sales man will vote in November? I just know I was free to buy whatever I could afford without a quota or Gov't interference of any kind and I contributed to his living too.
Teachers buy housing, food, supplies, clothes, fuel, vehicles, furniture, pay for repairs and everything else a middle class person purchases. They buy whatever the local kids are peddling, donate to whatever needs donating to, support their local communities in any way they can, but to some on here they are the sworn enemy.That is so sad and short sighted it makes me sick.
OK, the next batch of cukes are done brining, so I'll get off the soap box and go make some more pickles.
Quite a socialist rant there, Diane. Where do you say the money comes from to give to all these government handouts?
By the way, have your read "Not Yours To Give" lately. You might want to study it before you make any more pickles.
http://www.fee.org/library/not-yours-to-give-2/
Uh, excuse me? My income now, earned that is, is from a small business I own. I am paid by the owners of the businesses I teach for. Safety classes, CPR, first aid, evacuation programs or fire extinguishers...where did you get the idea it's tax money?
The stuff I do in schools, like the day camps I just finished, is all volunteer. Now why are you jumping on me again? YOU ARE WRONG! Besides ,according to jar I'm so rich I shouldn't have to work. ;D HA!
Red, you wouldn't know a real socialist if you fell over him. Your knowledge of the subject is extremely light weight and mostly filtered through bloggers who have their own agenda.
Try this ... Name several Socialist Countries. Now compare and contrast Socialism with Communism. Now name some Communist countries. How are they different in their government make up?. What are true communistic goals?
"All Power Belongs to The Working Class"
Quote from: greatguns on August 11, 2012, 04:34:39 PM
Good God Jar, you having a bad day or what? Is there anyone that isn't on reduced lunches? I'm right there with ya Diane. You might not be ashamed of yourself Jarhead, but your Mama wouldn't be very proud of you right now. Better get back to church boy! :police:
My kid is not on reduced lunches, even though the school wanted me to place him on reduced lunches.
I guess the schools get more money some how with more kids on reduced or free lunches.
I just wouldn't do it.
Go figure, someone turning down free money, or kick back or rebate? "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money?
I wasn't raised that way. Even though I was raised in a large (10 kids) family that included a grandmother living with us, we were happy.
No welfare. Everyone chipped in, one way or another.
Ever heard of depression food?
It didn't come in a potato chip bag or a soda pop can, did it?
t come in
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2012, 02:40:02 PM
"All Power Belongs to The Working Class"
ROFLMAO Now that's funny!
You don't know where that quote came from? I'm surprised! 8)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2012, 02:40:02 PM
What are true communistic goals?
Ultimately, the destruction of the perceived inequalities of capitalism and the distribution of all wealth equally among all the workers by the creation of a classless & moneyless state where private ownership of property is abolished in favor of collective ownership. Communism is, in fact, the ultimate outcome of the socialist movement. Socialism being only an interim step. Of course, we can't ignore the demonstrated outcomes of this movement: Fascism, Oligarchy, etc., all being tyrannical and in direct opposition to the principles espoused by the founders of our country. But, would you be looking for the views of the Bolsheviks or those of the Mensheviks?
It looks like Red may be on mark. Many of your rants clearly demonstrate an affinity for one or more of the collective goals of socialists on their move toward the utopian state of communism.
Quote from: Diane Amberg
"All Power Belongs to The Working Class"
You don't know where that quote came from? I'm surprised! 8)
Where the quote originates is not near as revealing as where the concept comes from, and that you would put the concept forward says volumes about your real views...
From the Communist Manifesto of Karl Marx we see the concept that the proletariat (working class) are in a struggle with the bourgeois (the owners of the means of production) in the capitalist system. Your quote, therefore would be a clear claim favoring the communist theory that power emanates from and belongs to the proletariat collective and appears to serve as a battle cry for the working class in that struggle. Ask yourself, do you really support free market capitalism, or do you lean more toward the Marxists? Words matter, any your choice of quotations say much.
Yup, and the fact that you are working so hard to make me seem evil says tons about your real character. Why so insecure boobie? Why do you feel it necessary to try to put me on the defensive? I'm harmless, or so I thought. Just engaging in some political banter before I go back to other things again. You do know I'm not running for any office, so why are you wasting your time trying to smear me. It isn't working.
Do you really think Red is just some little pipsqueak that needs your egotistical protection? After he just insulted every teacher in Elk County right before school starts ,he better hide!
As far a quotes ..what a stretch! I could quote Little "Red" Riding Hood too, but that wouldn't make me a communist, now would it.
Rants? Me? Oh, please! You really are very entertaining with your twists and turns and attempts to humiliate and ridicule anyone who has anything different to say. I suspect if I said "BOO," you would twist it somehow to make it seem like it was something significant ,bad and had pages of underlying meanings.
I'd love to hear why you get so much internal pleasure in doing that to people.
By the way, you cheated and took Red's test for him. How much did he pay you? ::)
Ya must have done that in college too, didn't ya?.... Or paid someone else to take your tests for you. It wouldn't surprise me in the least. :P
Any halfwit can Google the difference between Socialism and Communism, but the smart ones don't copy any of it word for word, now do they?
Considering Al's family history, ya have to have a lot of nerve to talk to me like that. But what else could I expect.
communism, socialism, democracy are all different levels of fascism. Republic based on rule of law and free market is the other end of the scale. The best position to be in as a country is solidly in the middle of the republic and free market.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
Yup, and the fact that you are working so hard to make me seem evil says tons about your real character. Why so insecure boobie? Why do you feel it necessary to try to put me on the defensive?
There's no work involved at all. You do most of the heavy lifting. If my observations happen to expose you as evil, those observations say nothing about me. And if there's no need to defend, then why do you do it with such verbosity?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
I'm harmless, or so I thought.
You share your views with other citizens and vote in American elections, don't you?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
Just engaging in some political banter before I go back to other things again.
After dishonestly repeating over and over that you would never return to political threads again? Give us a break. At least be honest... you can't stay gone even when you promise to do so. LOL
Personally, I don't care one way or another.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
You do know I'm not running for any office, so why are you wasting your time trying to smear me. It isn't working.
Do you really think Red is just some little pipsqueak that needs your egotistical protection? After he just insulted every teacher in Elk County right before school starts ,he better hide!
As far a quotes ..what a stretch! I could quote Little "Red" Riding Hood too, but that wouldn't make me a communist, now would it.
Rants? Me? Oh, please! You really are very entertaining with your twists and turns and attempts to humiliate and ridicule anyone who has anything different to say. I suspect if I said "BOO," you would twist it somehow to make it seem like it was something significant ,bad and had pages of underlying meanings.
I'd love to hear why you get so much internal pleasure in doing that to people.
By the way, you cheated and took Red's test for him. How much did he pay you? ::)
Ya must have done that in college too, didn't ya?.... Or paid someone else to take your tests for you. It wouldn't surprise me in the least. :P
Any halfwit can Google the difference between Socialism and Communism, but the smart ones don't copy any of it word for word, now do they?
Considering Al's family history, ya have to have a lot of nerve to talk to me like that. But what else could I expect.
Actually, my understanding of political ideologies comes from military training, not Google. But you wouldn't understand that, would you? As for Al's family history, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China... or was that yet another threat of some kind?
No rants, huh? Trying to make others look evil? Unwarranted attacks on those who disagree? Re-read the foregoing quotes of your diatribe and make those arguments again... I'll try to keep a straight face. LMAO
Diane, it looks like you're saying you're not a communist. You've convinced me otherwise.
Frankly, Patriot, I was asked by several (5) different people to not leave the political threads for good. I had planned to stay away when I said I was going to, but when people said they liked what I write, I reconsidered. I just wish you and Red would debate issues and not attack the writers so personally. I said months ago ya tackle me personally, you'll get it right back.
So we're back to the name calling and labeling again are we? Socialist and communist? Oh My, Lions and Tigers and Bears! Ya sure fixed me didn't ya. HA!
As far as Al's family history is concerned, the circumstances of their coming to this country, as with many others, ( I think perhaps Steve's too) would show just how anti communist and anti socialist,etc. the family was, But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
Tag, you're it. I'm off to do some kitchen clean up and do some work for my high school reunion.
I can't wait to share with the committee how you folks feel about your teachers and how they steal their paychecks from the tax payers....and how you insulted the schools and teachers right there in Elk County.They'll get a good laugh and wonder what kind of dipsticks I've been talking to. ::) ;D
Quote from Diane:
I just wish you and Red would debate issues and not attack the writers so personally.
All the below in less than 24 hours. Hypocrisy? You make the call.
Quotes:
They'll get a good laugh and wonder what kind of dipsticks I've been talking to.------- ----Red is just some little pipsqueak ----Why so insecure boobie----By the way, you cheated and took Red's test for him. How much did he pay you? Ya must have done that in college too, didn't ya?.... Or paid someone else to take your tests for you. It wouldn't surprise me in the least. -----Any halfwit can Google
Yup...when they open the door, I'll be glad to walk through it. I've learned being polite no matter what gets me nothing,
They must think their way of writing is fun, so when they toss that ball why should I miss the fun of tossing it back? I don't like it, but as long as they won't stop, I won't either. They learn to debate issues and not go to personal name calling and labeling I'd be glad to stop too.
Why are you defending them anyway? Do you approve of what they do? By the way, taking what was said about Red being a pipsqueak out of context is very Republican of you. You know I did not call him a pipsqueak.
Some of you must work for The National Enquirer on the side. They are known for creating threats out of thin air, stringing together unrelated bits and pieces to make something that sounds important but has no substance, and the over use of "truth," "shocking" "What "THEY" don't want you to know" and other such triteness.
If I say the way someone talks proves to me they are a pedophile, it makes as much sense as saying I'm a Communist! My word that is so funny! Do you really expect the average reader on the forum to take that seriously? About as much as Rush "I'm a comic" Limbaugh.He is really funny. Poke,poke.
Red, frankly I don't much care what skin head, white supremacist, other worldly ultra conservative neurotics, think of me. But they better stay off my porch or I'd shoot' em dead right through the front door. One ninny up the way on my own street made a dumb move recently and got shot in the foot..I'd aim higher. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Bye-bye
I will stand up with jarhead and Steve. I get tired of someone that does not live in elk county or even the state of Kansas that thinks they can tell us how to live.
Watch it Jane---I heard that 2 JW's peddling their Watch Tower literature and 1 Fuller Brush salesman were blasted-----thru a door---and all they did was walk onto a porch . The reason given was because they all three were bald headed and confused as skin heads. poke--poke
Jar, now that is funny .I doubt Jane is bald...but then...
Telling someone "how to live?" Jane, ya kin run around neckked for all I care. Besides you aren't supposed to be reading me 'cause its bad for yer blood pressure. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It seems to me you live at least an hour away? It's some of the local Elk County well mannered middle class citizens who do enjoy what I write and have said so, so you are not in any way speaking for every one. There are even a couple who don't always agree with my positions on things, but they are very polite about it and we get along just fine. They don't like the small minded rudeness either and don't like when I'm forced to fight back, which as you know I will do!
Jane, you've had comments made about your nasty 14 year old petulant child attitude too ya know. Cast the first stone? You really do make some folks laugh. But, they know I'm aware the great majority of Kansas people aren't like that. You don't have to be that way
Why are you adding Steve to this mix? He can debate quite well when he puts his mind to it and isn't influenced by the "nasty when anonymous" group. I doubt either Jar or Steve want your help. They can speak for themselves
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 13, 2012, 06:45:00 PM
It's some of the local Elk County well mannered middle class citizens who do enjoy what I write and have said so,
Who would that be?
Give it a break. Sounds jusy like EK with no documentation.
But us upper crust and royalty, that'd be me an patriot and goatman an jarhead an all the rest of us would like a break.
How's that for going overboard?
Quick, throw this old swabbie a life jacket.
ROFLMAO
I couldn't help myself, the devil made me do it.
Lord forgive me but that was funny.
Yup,I laughed too. Have some stop calling me names and I'll gladly give it a break
the local Elk County well mannered middle class citizens
Sounds like an oxymoron to me .
Sink or swim you old squid---sink or swim :)
Quote from: jarhead on August 13, 2012, 07:17:30 PM
the local Elk County well mannered middle class citizens
Sounds like an oxymoron to me .
Sink or swim you old squid---sink or swim :)
I know how to turn my shirt or pants into a floation device, old navy trick.
I'm old and tire easily and would rather float along.
LOL
Oh Lawdy!
I jjust cannot help myself by recapping what I have just just read...lol: ;D
Let's see:
the Topic is "Non Fishin'", the bait is some gutz, a few worms, stinkybait ....
fishin, or non fishin with a BS cane pole and an Elk County bobber..... and poor old Ross floating along with his pants and shirt amongst a few fishy farts.
Was I close?? ;D
ready
<snicker>
Upper crust? Nope, not me. I cheated on tests I never took & tackled innocent girls on the playground after they suited up and started playing! Teacher said so.
LMAO
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 13, 2012, 07:59:19 PM
Oh Lawdy!
I jjust cannot help myself by recapping what I have just just read...lol: ;D
Take a breath, ready... you're sstuttering. LOL
I like it ready.
Atta boy as they use to say in the Navy.
Today it would be atta girl.
LOL