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Just a reminder :P
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, as I don't go on the political threads any more.
Reply # 174
That's why I've given up the political threads
Reply #270
keep in mind I don't go on the political forums any more at all
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I left the politics threads never to return,. .
Its a good thing i educated my kids about tolerance. You don't have to be tolerant of deviants, thugs, or communists, criminals and that includes illegals! And they will raise their kids up the same way! I was forced to go through "tolerance" programming at a company i worked at for 3 days. It ended with the instructor being absolutely and completely frustrated whe she couldn't get anyone of us to agree to their agenda. I remember one of their "corp" policies was that we had to support all groups in the company even to the point of attending their "functions" and helping with the support of it. Well i draw the line at queer parties and deviants. won't happen in my lifetime ever! They claim that being a queer is protected under the 1st amendment. Thank God the courts have not deemd it so. Shows the SCJ still have some morals up there.
It takes about 4 hours a day to undo what the government schools indoctrinate into our youths. You have to go over what was taught and show the kids what the truth is. Its just simpler to teach the kids yourself these days.
You got that right. The government schools are behind the centralized government movement plus
the government schools promote and teach its liberal agendas. Indoctrination.
That shouldn't be too hard to understand.
Educate all you want, you ARE being tolerant of the illegals, homos, racists, etc. because they are all around you and gaining more for themselves everyday. Unless you take some form of action against it, you are being tolerant, and simply preaching that it is wrong is not the kind of action that will get results.
Jar, you are right. I forgot that the tripe about tolerance being taught in schools was in the political thread.
I dislike reading things from people who make assumptions, but are clueless about how things really work in school.
The school secretary would toss out all sorts of inappropriate mail that came to the school every day. It can't be distributed unless permission is given.
During August I'll be requesting, and receiving, the annual ''letter of permission to deliver" from the district superintendent's office to allow us to take the annual fire prevention contest topic and rules packets around to our public local schools that teach K-8 The superintendent has to see and approve every page. We then give the letter of permission to the school secretary, (who has to buzz us in as the doors are locked,) who reads and initials it before we are allowed to drop anything off. I deleted the other.
I keep forgetting how 19th century some are on here. You've got more ways to educate your kids than ever before, between Christian private schools and Catholic schools, expensive private academic schools, some that even board, targeted Charter Schools, industrial arts schools some with apprenticeship programs sponsored by local companies, and home schooling, what's the problem? Chronic complainers? ;) :angel:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 30, 2012, 10:04:02 AM
I dislike reading things from people who make assumptions, but are clueless about how things really work in school.
Or don't understand that what 'is' in one part of the country doesn't make it a universal truth everywhere else.
Bigots shouldn't be tolerated anywhere, I don't care where in the country it is "in." Calling blacks "chimpanzees" is rotten to the core. Just being born a WASP doesn't automatically make you better than everyone else.
The black activists, especially the ones who promote violence on a regular basis are just as bad. They try to infiltrate inner city schools and neutralize what any teacher is trying to teach. They even call the kids who are trying to get ahead "Oreos" and worse names.They can't even go home without being hassled! You aren't true to your ancestors if ya get educated. You are a traitor.
No wonder kids drop out! The gangs are the outlets and the thugs are the heroes.
Ya won't see any of them enlisting either. Ya gotta die on the street to be a hero.It is all screwed up!
But somehow it's all the schools' faults. Phooey! Come back and talk to me after you've taught in a ghetto school for one year. Be glad you have it easy like ya do and your kids do too.
Diane,
What is a "WASP" ? Unless you mean the kind that sting.
Jar, you are too funny!! lol White Anglo-Saxon Protestant...You are too cute when you play dumb...lol
@Cat, he's not playing. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :angel:
Larryj
That's OK, as teachers we never let the local kids here pick on the little kid with the thick southern accent from Mudflat Junction. We often got kids who came up from the more Southern states to work the mushroom houses and horse farms. Some were very bright but hard to understand, and others weren't. We always had a good tolerance policy, and I'm glad we did. I'm sorry that isn't the same where some of you are. Now I'll see if I can stay away from here.
Quote from Catwoman:
Jar, you are too funny!! lol White Anglo-Saxon Protestant...You are too cute when you play dumb...lol
Cat, I wasn't playing dumb. I did not know what it meant. After much thought I figured that it meant "White Ass Stupid Person". I was getting ready to twist Diane's tail for being a bigot, talking about me and my friends that way.
Speaking of Diane---I'm kinda PO'ed at her right now. She keeps scolding me for bringing up the Black Panthers, so I quit and what does she do? Brings them right back into the conversation------
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The black activists, especially the ones who promote violence on a regular basis are just as bad.
Doc, That did no go un-noticed !! Just waiting for the right time to pounce !! :angel:
Diane, I recall you saying on several occasions things like "just because a person was in the military eons ago that doesn't make them an expert today" so when you say something like "That's OK, as teachers we "---tell me one more time how many decades ago that it was when you were a classroom teacher and how many years you actually taught. I'm getting old and forgetful .
I know I'm going to regret letting you trap me, but since I like to talk, I'll just have to take my licks I guess.
I really wasn't going to answer either of the questions/comments but.... as far as black activists, I was referring to the Farrakhan type, not necessarily the BPs. It really depends on what they have been up to and who we are talking about. Some of them are very mild but a few, Jerry Jackson for one, can be a serious problem if he thinks he has an excuse.They have a stable of lawyers who keep them just on the hair width side of legal most of the time. The police know who the real trouble makers are, but then may have to deal with harassment charges.
As far as how long, and when I was teaching, why does it matter? I'm still in and out a lot, especially Newark Charter. I do teach all day once in awhile now, but usually it's just a few hours at a time. If I really wanted to go back full time, I'd take a couple of night classes at UD to get the rust off the way math is being taught now. I'm still good for the reading, science, history, classroom management, etc. Just give me the teachers manual and get out of the way.
I have no plans to change what I'm doing. Part time suits me just fine. By the time I'm 70 I expect to have retired all together, except perhaps some kid's visits to the firehouse. I was at Safety Town yesterday morning ,this morning and will be there all day tomorrow.
Oh, I started teaching in 1966 and finished full time 12 years later, but started teaching very busy part time right away as an elementary school resource teacher. I had already started teaching the EMT classes part time in 1974.Some nights, some weekends. Between one thing and another I was/am very busy.
Remember, I didn't quit teaching full time out of choice. My doctor made me stop.
I knew something wasn't right when I was student teaching for 15 weeks, but the medical problem didn't really blossom until about October of each school year. I developed a lung allergy to chalk dust ,of all the crazy things. I got severe bronchitis. Every summer it would clear up. I fought it off and on all school year, but after 12 years, my Doc wanted to know if I could use my teaching in some other way, and so I did.
Even now if I'm in a school that still uses a lot of chalk, on the fourth day I can feel the congestion starting in my lungs. Fortunately dry markers don't bother me at all. Now with all the smart boards computers etc. I'd do fine.
Aren't you sorry you asked? Now may I leave please? I really don't want to be here where the mean people and my sworn enemies tend to hang out.
I need to go over my teaching outline for the parents fire safety workshops tomorrow. 9-12 and 1-4. and no, I'm not paid to do it.
That durned ol Black Panther voter intimidation thing just won't go away. Bill O'Reilly had it on his Talking Points --again--tonight with a follow up on it. Looks like the Assistant Attorney General might be facing perjury charges over statements he said pertaining to why Holder didn't prosecute the thugs. Silly ol Bill---it happened almost 4 years ago so why keep beating a dead horse. Oh, and Bill lives in New York so why concern himself with the matter?.
Jarhead, like my old Top Sergeant in Korea said, "If you are feeling froggy, son, go ahead and jump!"
Larryj :laugh:
Larry, my jumper is all wore out. A lurch is the best I can do anymore . What are you doing in politics anyway ? :D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 30, 2012, 12:04:32 PM
Bigots shouldn't be tolerated anywhere, I don't care where in the country it is "in." Calling blacks "chimpanzees" is rotten to the core. Just being born a WASP doesn't automatically make you better than everyone else.
The black activists, especially the ones who promote violence on a regular basis are just as bad. They try to infiltrate inner city schools and neutralize what any teacher is trying to teach. They even call the kids who are trying to get ahead "Oreos" and worse names.They can't even go home without being hassled! You aren't true to your ancestors if ya get educated. You are a traitor.
No wonder kids drop out! The gangs are the outlets and the thugs are the heroes.
Ya won't see any of them enlisting either. Ya gotta die on the street to be a hero.It is all screwed up!
But somehow it's all the schools' faults. Phooey! Come back and talk to me after you've taught in a ghetto school for one year. Be glad you have it easy like ya do and your kids do too.
The fault is in the acceptance of lower standards across the board. Used to be the kids were required to sit down shut up and learn and if they didn't they were tossed out of school. Kids were taught that education wasn't free, it cost someone something and that they had better earn their eucation.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 30, 2012, 07:01:24 PM
That's OK, as teachers we never let the local kids here pick on the little kid with the thick southern accent from Mudflat Junction. We often got kids who came up from the more Southern states to work the mushroom houses and horse farms. Some were very bright but hard to understand, and others weren't. We always had a good tolerance policy, and I'm glad we did. I'm sorry that isn't the same where some of you are. Now I'll see if I can stay away from here.
LOL, sheesh. Thats why most kids are wimps. We used to deal with bullies ourselves. IF they were bigger than i was, i would catch em on their way home from school and whip their ass with a big stick. Had one that got rescued one time from me he was 17 year old i was 12, and my dad caught my baseball bat in full swing and if he hadn't i would have scored a home run with his head. That boy NEVER EVER messed with me again
Right....sure is easy when you aren't in the school setting, Steve. Suppose you had killed that kid with your bat? The fact that he wasn't behaving wouldn't have meant much then, would it? Did your father beat him up for you...or his father?
Remember the story I told about the kid who almost strangled a smaller kid to death right in front of me? The younger child was unconscious and blue by the time I could drag the other kid off him, by his hair.
Remember, I got called on the carpet by the attacker's parents for pulling the big kid's hair? This was many years ago. They didn't care a twit that the little guy could have died. The older boy was trying his best to choke the little one to death.
I'm glad life is so simple for you and I'm amazed the whole pack of you didn't wind up in court, or worse. Why, I'm surprised you weren't carrying a gun to school by then. Then you could have really showed 'em! Didn't you demand that your own kids could be armed at school?
I'm not sure where you get the idea that today's kids are "wimps". Every spring when the kids' sap rises there are horrible fights in many high schools of any size. When they whip out the knives and guns they will be happy to show you that they aren't wimps. They see red rage and don't care about the consequences of their actions. Then the brothers, sisters and cousins show up on the buses and at each others' houses to finish it . Often with irate screaming parents in the lead. Wimps? I wish they were, or at least more civilized.
By the way, I hear the bee subsidy is going to come back very soon, as with some other animal subsidies because of the dry summer.Ya might want to check on it.
No diane, we didn't kill each other, and we didn't have it in us to kill each other. chances are the 17 year old would have had a lump on his head not be dead as i never had that great a swing. Secondly it was self defense which still applies.
Also we were taught right from wrong, back then. Instead of tolerance we understood right from wrong and were never to tolerate unacceptable things. WHy should we compromise on that?
Like i said before we took care of bullies and it worked. Stopped them in their tracks, no one got killed just beat up a little bit. Didn't hurt them nor did it hurt us. Once you kicked the bullies ass, they quit being bullies. SImple.
As for my dad beating up other fathers, no he never did. He would however make them regret ever producing their spawn and knew how to do it very effectively. I've only seen one time where my dad started carrying a handgun in his neighborhood area and that was around 1996 when the local kids got violent. He like i would have dropped them where they stood if they had attacked him or any of our family and were talking minors here.
I've almost had to drop a 11 year old before, and would have done it. A 8 year old with a handgun is just as dangerous as a 20 year old with a handgun. I don't put up with bullshit and don't expect any parents kid to put up with that. As long as you are right, and do right, then thats all society can ask. This bullshit of patting johnnies head saying awwe johnny don't do taht thtats not nice crap doesn't work. and kids got their teachers and parents all buffaloed and wrapped around their dang fingers.
This liberal bullshit of punishing the kid that defends him/herself from attacks has got to stop. The best solution i ever saw for bullying, and the general fist fights in school was the coach taking the ones involved sticking them in the boxing ring and let them duke it out. they duked it out til they got tired of getting hit. Never hurt a single one of them. AND they didn't have grudges afterwards cause they got to release all that bs the shrinks try to tell ya you got to bottle up and find some pansy assed sissy way of getting out.
All one has to do to see the state of our school system is take one look at those losers that occupied wallstreet. What a real bunch of jobless losers. Thats the product that our government schools produce. Nothing but a bunch of pansy assed trouble making mooches.
Bottom line is my generation didn't have the crap going on that this generation does. And why is that? We didn't tolerate it!
Steve, you are hugely generalizing again. Sure there are places with problems,I said that long before you did, but you make it sound like every school is not producing any decent product and I totally disagree.
Most parents do teach their kids right from wrong, their own version of it that is, but the kids often lie about their confrontations and who are the parents going to believe first? Their own child of course! Every kid will be happy to tell you that the other kid started it, whatever it was...then it's self defense on both sides! ;) "Bad" kids aren't always bad or wrong and "good" kids aren't always good or right either. They are undeveloped organisms and they will make mistakes....all of them! Most sensible parents will agree to that.
I always believed in the boxing ring idea and some of the schools here did do that years ago. But when the trend started away from solving violence with violence, the boxing idea was finished.
It's not the way the teachers want it either. It's the law! When it's the attacking child's parents who show up to continue the problem, the victim's family sometimes has a hard time being heard. Squeaking wheels and all that. I think the pendulum will soon swing back to something reasonable soon though.
Of course the problems in many tough big inner city schools are something else and might as well be on another planet. Some of those kids have such huge problems and are just wired differently. I just can't imagine trying to teach the small, but really bad element much of anything beyond basic 3Rs. They are not interested in learning. It just isn't in their world. But, we've talked this to death.
One of the things that bothers me in general...it's no longer considered wrong to lie about things. By all ages.
Kids hear their parents lie. It's just accepted! Sorting out the truth about something is almost impossible.The stories keep changing and then the lawyers get involved and every small thing gets blown all out of proportion from what really happened. A flea bite becomes a poisonous snake bite and then the media gets hold of it and way it goes. We need to stop letting the media have such a strong presence in our lives, especially when they pare the truth of a situation down to a sound bite.
Oh, I just read an article by a teacher who spent some time in Japanese schools doing research on the differences between their teaching system and ours. I won't go into detail except to say I found it interesting that the kids eat lunch in their rooms, served on trays served by other kids, dressed it clean coverups. When all are done ,the servers take it away and all the students go trooping out to brush their teeth after lunch...every day. Now why aren't we doing that?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2012, 01:56:03 PM
..Now why aren't we doing that?
Not sure if serving lunches is the answer, but perhaps a review of the left tilted agendas of the NEA would provide some insight. And, perhaps if teachers weren't so busy dragging children to political rallies in support of their union (as in Wisconsin), there could be more focus teaching discipline and manners. After all, the NEA is a powerful political force representing over 3 million teachers and exercising influence over curricula all over the country.
Here's one perspective on union agendas: http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2006/july06/06-07-26.html (http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2006/july06/06-07-26.html)