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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Jo McDonald on May 05, 2012, 11:26:38 AM

Title: A quote....
Post by: Jo McDonald on May 05, 2012, 11:26:38 AM
An old West Virginia Hillbilly saying:

You cannot get the water to clear up
Until you get the pigs out of the creek.

*SOME OF YOU MAY APPRECIATE THIS, AND SOME OF YOU MAY NOT.*
*I DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR POSTING THIS, BECAUSE  IT'S THE TRUTH.*

Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: Dee Gee on May 05, 2012, 12:07:15 PM
I think you posted this in the correct section "POLITICS" for both local or national.
Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: Warph on May 05, 2012, 01:19:43 PM
Quote from: Jo McDonald on May 05, 2012, 11:26:38 AM
An old West Virginia Hillbilly saying:

You cannot get the water to clear up
Until you get the pigs out of the creek.

*SOME OF YOU MAY APPRECIATE THIS, AND SOME OF YOU MAY NOT.*
*I DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR POSTING THIS, BECAUSE  IT'S THE TRUTH.*


I think Jo is speaking of the Media and their lack of accurate coverage with regards to President-Clown Obuma's past and present antics... and Congress and Washington DC.  If We, the People, 'don't vote the pigs out of the water, we'll never clear the creek!'

She's probably meaning, "We demand clarity.  The Federal government has gotten too big.  The right hand no longer cares what the left hand is doing.  Overlapping responsibilities hinders every agency.  Rogue agency directors make up their own rules and regulations with literally no executive direction or oversight.  Non-elected mini-clowns (Czars) are placed in positions of great power without even being vetted through Congress, for cryin' out loud... Lord only knows what they are doing.  Taxes are being assessed without Congressional approval.  The first & second amendments are under attack from the Obuma administration; the work of some of those non-elected, non-vetted Czars."

"I want to clear the creek" she cries!  "President-Clown Obuma is a big part of the anti-Constitutional liberals and has been a part of the muddy waters for far too long.  Time to 'move the pig out' and 'VOTE ABO' come this November.  Time to  bring American government back to the Constitution."  

Well said, Jo!   :angel:
Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: Teresa on May 07, 2012, 10:37:22 AM
VERY TRUE WORDS!!!

Political Futures

"If Mitt wins the nomination, as seems very likely, I will enthusiastically support his candidacy.

For my friends who have hesitation on that score, I'd just ask you to keep four things in mind: Justice Scalia just turned 78, Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year, Justice Breyer will be 76 in August, and Justice Ginsburg turned 81 about a week ago. We wish them all well, of course, but the brute fact is that whoever we elect as president in November is almost certainly going to choose at least one and maybe more new members of the Supreme Court -- in addition to hundreds of other life-tenured federal judges, all of whom will be making momentous decisions about our lives for decades to come.
If you don't think it matters whether the guy making those calls is Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, I think you're smokin' something dangerous."

--columnist Andrew McCarthy
Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: Varmit on May 07, 2012, 12:28:07 PM
I see what you're saying but seriously what are the differences between obama and romney?
Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: srkruzich on May 07, 2012, 03:13:41 PM
Quote from: Varmit on May 07, 2012, 12:28:07 PM
I see what you're saying but seriously what are the differences between obama and romney?

ROmney hasn't f***d up the economy
Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: Warph on May 07, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
Interesting article:


Romney, Obama sling similar insults at each other to see what sticks; voters to have final say
Who's who? Obama, Romney projecting mirror image
By CONNIE CASS | Associated Press | May 6, 2012


http://www.newser.com/article/d9uja7l81/romney-obama-sling-similar-insults-at-each-other-to-see-what-sticks-voters-to-have-final-say.html


He's a smug, Harvard-trained elitist who doesn't get how regular Americans are struggling these days. More extreme than he lets on, he's keeping his true agenda hidden until after Election Day. He's clueless about fixing the economy, over his head on foreign policy. Who is he?

Your answer will help decide the next president.

Is it Barack Obama, as seen by Mitt Romney? Or Romney, the way Obama depicts him? For all their liberal versus conservative differences, when the two presidential contenders describe each other, they sound like they're ragging on the same flawed guy. Or mirror images of that guy.

Will voters prefer the man waving with his left hand or his right?

Blame it on two cautious candidates with more traits in common than their disparate early biographies would suggest.

No Drama Obama is panned as professorial and aloof. Romney is deemed boring when he's not being awkward.

Distrusted as too moderate within his own party, each is demonized as a radical by the other side. They don't get specific about the tough stuff, like budget cuts or taxes, that would invite more precisely calibrated negative ads.

Add a presidential contest buried beneath a single issue, the economy, and original lines of attack are scarce. The candidates take jabs anyway.

"They're trying to define each other. That's what it's all about," said Ken Duberstein, chief of staff to President Ronald Reagan. "They're throwing out different characterizations to see which one resonates."

With quickie Internet videos and instant comebacks via Twitter, "the attack and counterattack is happening in real time," said political communications expert Kathleen Hall Jamieson. "Campaigns are working to make sure nothing is missed."

Attacks big or small get batted back, even if the response amounts to "I know you are, what am I?"

Democrats accuse Republicans of a "war on women," Romney's campaign notes rising female unemployment during the Obama years.

The Obama camp jokes about Romney's dog riding on the roof of the family car; Republicans respond that Obama ate dog meat as a boy in Indonesia.

Both candidates are slammed as:

"Out of touch" with ordinary Americans.

Obama: Cloistered in the White House. Hangs out with celebrities, acting "cool." Doesn't understand the real world because "he spent too much time at Harvard," according to Romney, who earned two Harvard degrees himself.

Romney: Grew up wealthy, with a governor for a father. Worth $200 million or more. He's the kind of guy who had a Swiss bank account and wants a car elevator for his beach house, the Democrats note.

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Bad for the middle class.

Obama: Failed to deliver on his promises to help Americans "struggling to find good jobs and make ends meet," the Romney camp says. Median household income is down, unemployment up since he took office.

Romney: Wants to reduce taxes on the wealthy while devastating Medicare and cutting education, health care and other programs the middle class need, Democrats charge. Obama says that amounts to "social Darwinism."

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Suspiciously secretive.

Obama: Believing his microphone off, assured the Russian president he would have "more flexibility" after Election Day. Obama will reveal "his true positions only after the election is over," Romney says. Republicans predict he would tack left on the environment, spending, gay rights and other issues.

Romney: Told campaign donors of plans to cut or eliminate the housing and education agencies as well as others _ ideas he hasn't disclosed publicly. "What's Mitt hiding?" Democrats ask, demanding more about his personal tax returns and investments, too.

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Too extreme.

Obama: Hopes to create "a European-style social welfare state," Romney says, and "put free enterprise on trial." Endorsing Romney, Newt Gingrich called Obama "the most radical, leftist president in American history."

Romney: Referred to himself as "severely conservative." He's "extreme on women's issues," Democrats contend. Obama places him to the right of Reagan and suggests he's akin to Barry Goldwater.

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Unable to fix the economy.

Obama: Can't get the jobless rate below 8 percent. He "delayed the recovery and made it anemic," according to Romney, who says Obama lacks the private sector experience necessary to understand the economy.

Romney: As a venture capitalist, laid off workers and shipped jobs to Mexico, the Obama campaign says. Also created Massachusetts jobs more slowly than other governors of the time, Democrats note.

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Not up to foreign policy.

Obama: Too weak to stand up to China or Russia or to stop Iran from getting a nuclear bomb, and too eager to apologize for the United States, Romney charges.

Romney: Likely to stumble into another misguided war, according to Vice President Joe Biden. Wouldn't have had the guts to send Navy SEALs into Pakistan to get Osama bin Laden, the Obama campaign suggests.
Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: srkruzich on May 07, 2012, 06:22:18 PM
On the medicare note, romney doesn't have to cut it, obamas already robbed it blind.
Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: Varmit on May 07, 2012, 07:30:53 PM
So either way we go, we're screwed.
Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: redcliffsw on May 08, 2012, 05:11:30 AM

Obama and Romney have much the same ideologies.  Their goals are the same, the differences are how they want to get there.

These guys are going to spend a heck of a lot of money to do a lot of campaigning and in the end all we get is a socialist as President.


http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/111576.html

Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: Warph on May 09, 2012, 01:19:25 AM
Quote from: srkruzich on May 07, 2012, 06:22:18 PM
On the medicare note, romney doesn't have to cut it, obamas already robbed it blind.

Steve... on the medicare note, Obuma used RomneyCare as a foundation for ObumaCare.
Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: Warph on May 09, 2012, 01:30:40 AM
Quote from: redcliffsw on May 08, 2012, 05:11:30 AM
Obama and Romney have much the same ideologies.  Their goals are the same, the differences are how they want to get there.

These guys are going to spend a heck of a lot of money to do a lot of campaigning and in the end all we get is a socialist as President.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/111576.html

Come on... lets face it, people, we are close to being a controlled socialistic nation already.  Minimum wage... Unions... SSI... Medicare & Medicaid... Prescription Drugs... the new National Banking System... VA Hospitals... Post Office... Prison System... Unemployment Ins. ... National Parks Service... Interstate Highway System... the U.S.Military... just to name a few.  There are many, many more.... Federal, State, and City.  Free enterprise or privatization does not pay for any of these programs.   

Sadly public education, especially college, has become an indoctrination of a lot of socialistic ideas.  They are against free matket Capitalism.  Trade schools and Private education are the ways to go if a student wants to get into the Free-Market system today.  Socialism, Communism and Pure Democracy (mob majority rule) are the downfalls of freedom and liberty.  The best form of government is what we originally had, a democratically elected Constitutional Republic... well sort of anyway.  I just hope we can get back to that one day.  Crap... I think I'm starting to talk like Ron Paul... lol...

But yes, Obuma and Romney both have socialistic veiws.  Most modern Presidents have done so previously in their terms.  Let's face it, we are a Capitistic/Socialistic Republic and that's the way it is right now.  In a way, that isn't the problem.  We still have Free-Market system, Capitalism and the Constitution on our side.

Lets make this short.... when Obuma took office, federal, state and local spending accounted for 30 percent of gross domestic product.  Now it is up to 35 percent, and when Obumacare is fully implemented, it will rise to above 40+ percent.  But taxes are still below 30 percent.  The difference is the deficit, now grown to 10 percent of our GDP.  If our government is to continue spending 40+ percent of our GDP, we will morph into the European model of a socialist democracy like France did the other day and into communism like Greece did recently.  But if we can roll the spending back to 30 percent, while holding taxes level, we will retain our free market system.  And that is important as hell!  I'm not a fan of Romney... but I am voting for the lesser of two evils because I sure as hell do not want to see that Chicago gangster, Barack Hussein Obutt-Face Obuma, back in for the next four years.

To quote Tim Pawlentyin 2010: "Unfortunately for all of us, the current (Obuma) administration and Democrat-controlled Congress have led us further down the road of the socialist, liberal agenda than at any time in the history of this country."

Time to Vote ABO in 2012!

...Warph
Title: Re: A quote....
Post by: Warph on May 11, 2012, 08:05:32 PM
Quote from: Varmit on May 07, 2012, 12:28:07 PM
I see what you're saying but seriously what are the differences between obama and romney?

For those of you who continue to insist that it makes absolutely no difference if the president is a Democrat or a member of the GOP, please keep in mind that if John Kerry had won the 2004 election, he would not have named John Roberts and Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court.  Instead, he would have seated a couple left-wingers in the mold of Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor.   

Now, by a show of hands, is there anyone out there who doubts that with six left-wingers on the Court, there would be the slightest chance they'd decide that ObamaCare is unconstitutional?