...for members of a county commission comprised of 3 or more elected officials sworn to uphold the law and comprising a policy making body that is required by law to make all binding decisions and issue all binding directives in full public view, as a body politic, by open vote, to then, individually and in private, personally direct the specific actions of individual county employees in their assigned duties outside the presence of the public?
...or should such direction be issued by that body politic, only after discussion and majority vote, in open meetings, in full view of the public and other members?
In short, is it proper, absent a bona fide emergency affecting county operations, for any individual member of that body politic to micro-manage or direct the daily activities of various government employees? If so, then by what reason?
Just curious.
I am not sure, but I have assumed from being personally acquainted with several past county commissioners, that part of their duties is the overseeing of the road department in their respective district, without having to consult the other commissioners. In this department it is possible that an immediate decision has to be made. I know for a fact that one of the commissioners made frequent visits to the road shop in Howard and knowing well one of the other past commissioners, it is possible that he might have haunted the shop.
Patiot,
Did I miss it---where did you say anything about the "road department ' ?
Just curious
Quote from: jarhead on April 20, 2012, 08:35:29 AM
Patiot,
Did I miss it---where did you say anything about the "road department ' ?
Just curious
Don't think I did. ??? But if the shoe fits.
Quote from: Wilma on April 20, 2012, 07:44:45 AM
...part of their duties is the overseeing of the road department in their respective district, without having to consult the other commissioners. In this department it is possible that an immediate decision has to be made...
Your comment then begs the question: Why do we hire and pay a public works supervisor to be on the job full time? Can he/she not make the 'immediate decisions' that you mention? After all, there are detailed written plans covering operations during major emergencies.
Since Pat has once again made comments without naming names or stating facts, I assumed he meant the road department. If he didn't, he should say what he means. Would save us all a lot of trouble. As to what I said about the county commissioners visiting the road yard, I know for a fact that one of them was keeping an eye on what was being done. Of course this was some time ago and things may have changed since then. I think that you have to agree that the more steps in the chain of command, the less efficient the department becomes. If the road supervisor has to consult the commissioners before making a decision, it just delays the start of the work day, doesn't it? Why shouldn't the commissioner who is responsible for the district, be on site and why should he have to consult the other commissioners about problems in his district?
Now, Pat, just who are you talking about?
Quote from: Wilma on April 20, 2012, 10:17:58 AM
Now, Pat, just who are you talking about?
What is it about you that always ASSumes? I was referring generally to the idea of micro-management by one arm of a body politic exercising daily directive authority over ANY county employee in the absence of the other board members. There's no blackboard here, so that's the best I can do to help you understand.
Quote from: Wilma on April 20, 2012, 10:17:58 AM
...Why shouldn't the commissioner who is responsible for the district, be on site and why should he have to consult the other commissioners about problems in his district?
Perhaps because a commissioner is a representative of the residents in his/her district to the entire board. Commissioners are not the district boss, are they? The authority for specific supervision/direction rests with the entire commission as a whole. Does it not?
Then are you ASSuming that what you are saying is true? Do you have any facts that any one of our commissioners are micro-managing? And if they are, isn't that part of their job? Sorry, I don't understand assumptions. I prefer facts and until I have them why should I believe what is being said? Which of our commissioners is micro-managing? Who is being micro-managed?
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I prefer facts and until I have them why should I believe what is being said?
Wilma, You have me totally confused. You say this, then on the "lynch Zimmerman " thread you want the lad tar & feathered, then hung---and all because of what they said on NBC,CBS and ABC ? Talk about heads exploding !!
Quote from: Wilma on April 20, 2012, 11:36:44 AM
Then are you ASSuming that what you are saying is true? Do you have any facts that any one of our commissioners are micro-managing? And if they are, isn't that part of their job? Sorry, I don't understand assumptions. I prefer facts and until I have them why should I believe what is being said? Which of our commissioners is micro-managing? Who is being micro-managed?
I haven't assumed anything. I asked a philosophical question about management practices. Not once did I mention any of "our" commissioners or employees. It was you that knee jerked and jumped to the erroneous conclusion that my question was anything more. Jarhead saw your assumption from the very start. Are you not capable of discussing ideas? Why must it always be about specific people? Your reactions sound like those from a person who has something to hide & responds out of a fear of being discovered. Sheesh, it was a question born out of the principles of management formulated by Henry Ford as they would apply to a county government.... any county government... not necessarily the one you have self-identified with as a 'good ole boy'.
With that said, is there something about 'our' county management you would like to confess?
Quote from: Patriot on April 20, 2012, 10:25:23 AM
What is it about you that always ASSumes? I was referring generally to the idea of micro-management by one arm of a body politic exercising daily directive authority over ANY county employee in the absence of the other board members. There's no blackboard here, so that's the best I can do to help you understand.
Thats because the majority of this country assumes. They don't think for themselves.
Quote from: jarhead on April 20, 2012, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from Wilma:
I prefer facts and until I have them why should I believe what is being said?
Wilma, You have me totally confused. You say this, then on the "lynch Zimmerman " thread you want the lad tar & feathered, then hung---and all because of what they said on NBC,CBS and ABC ? Talk about heads exploding !!
LOL Jarhead, you gotta think liberal now to understand......
Quote from: srkruzich on April 20, 2012, 12:58:02 PM
Thats because the majority of this country assumes. They don't think for themselves.
I'm not sure about the majority of the county, but there's darned sure a shortage of observation, comprehension & critical thinking here. In context, it seems that evidence of public school failures & common sense abound.
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In context, it seems that evidence of public school failures
Damnit Patriot, there you go again. I want to go fishing but you just keep spouting off so I have to stay home in case your Fly-Boy arse gets out numbered by the "lefties " Now before some of you "moderates" get all riled up I was referring to ol Sarge---him being left handed and all.
Quote from: jarhead on April 20, 2012, 01:44:37 PM
Now before some of you "moderates" get all riled up I was referring to ol Sarge---him being left handed and all.
Now come on, Marine... part of the Code of Honor was honesty. Tell the truth. You were talking about your wife.... and I'm gonna tell. :o
Honesty !! You betcha !!
"I did not fall asleep on watch ,Lt---the battery must of went dead in the PRC-25 radio---it aint dead ? Oh yea, the antenna was loose--yes sir after you not checking on me for over two hours I knew something was wrong so checked the antenna connection and it was loose "
Honest Ron
Quote from: jarhead on April 20, 2012, 02:24:09 PM
Honesty !! You betcha !!
"I did not fall asleep on watch ,Lt---the battery must of went dead in the PRC-25 radio---it aint dead ? Oh yea, the antenna was loose--yes sir after you not checking on me for over two hours I knew something was wrong so checked the antenna connection and it was loose "
Honest Ron
ROTFLMAO... If only I had never heard that all in real life! LOL
Go catch a big one! Uh... fish. I'll be fine till the lemmings come out.
Well, excuse me for answering your philosophical question with a real life experience. Sorry my answer wasn't what you wanted.