Elk County Forum

General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Wilma on November 17, 2011, 11:46:32 AM

Title: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Wilma on November 17, 2011, 11:46:32 AM
I got my real estate tax statements and guess what.  They have gone down.
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: frawin on November 17, 2011, 03:04:40 PM
Wilma, we received our tax statements from Elk County today and our taxes were down also. I think I will give the amount they were reduced by to Elk Konnect so they can continue to have activities for the children.
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Patriot on November 18, 2011, 11:40:19 AM
Subsidizing Public Square Communities, LLC through Elk Konnected fees makes perfectly good sense in this economy.  That is, after all, where EK sends the vast majority of its' money....  and one of the places one of our county commissioners is employed as a facilitator/change agent.  

Mine went down too.  $20.44 for the year.  Sorry, I'm not gonna subsidize Liz with mine.   Perhaps some caviar instead!

There will be plenty of money in the county rec fund for the $250.00 slippery slides.  

Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: redcliffsw on November 19, 2011, 08:54:31 AM

Patriot, you simply will not get in line with the European socialism that is laced into the
Republican party since inception more than 150 years ago.  Our people came here to get
away from that junk in Europe and elswhere,

Stay right in there and keep standing for liberty.

Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Patriot on November 19, 2011, 04:58:34 PM
Quote from: redcliffsw on November 19, 2011, 08:54:31 AM
Patriot, you simply will not get in line with the European socialism that is laced into the Republican party ...

Even though some upstarts incorrectly label me as an anarcho-capitalist or tea party type, I'm not.  I guess I'm just stubborn about that liberty thing..... darned pesky Constitution.    :)
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Ross on November 19, 2011, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: frawin on November 17, 2011, 03:04:40 PM
Wilma, we received our tax statements from Elk County today and our taxes were down also. I think I will give the amount they were reduced by to Elk Konnect so they can continue to have activities for the children.

Did ya really have to advertise for County Commissioner Hendricks, Elk Konnected, LLC?
ROFLMAO

Enjoy being connected. How come you're not playing in the baseball tournament.

Lollipops for kids. Why do organizations use children that way, to promote themselves?

Didn't that coach use his organization and children that way?
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Wilma on November 19, 2011, 09:19:37 PM
What's the matter?  Mad because you were wrong about our taxes going up?
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Patriot on November 20, 2011, 09:35:47 AM
Quote from: Wilma on November 19, 2011, 09:19:37 PM
What's the matter?  Mad because you were wrong about our taxes going up?


You are surely aware that property taxes are paid in arrears.  As such, I believe that we won't get to enjoy the increased mill levies recently passed by Elk Valley and West Elk School districts until the bills for 2012 taxes arrive in November of 2012. 

Speaking of school budgets $ taxes... $9,3000,000 to educate about 300 gremlins for one year in West Elk...  Nice.  For only a little more, we could give them fur lined toilet seats and X-Box games to help improve eye hand coordination skills... unless somebody you elected already took care of that somewhere in the upcoming budget. 
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Wilma on November 20, 2011, 10:49:07 AM
Still mad because our taxes are lower this year than last?
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Patriot on November 20, 2011, 10:56:14 AM
Quote from: Wilma on November 20, 2011, 10:49:07 AM
Still mad because our taxes are lower this year than last?

Nope, thrilled.  But living solidly in the past with no sound analysis or forward view is foolish and without wisdom.  You're forward looking/thinking and not unwise or foolish, right?
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: flo on November 20, 2011, 11:36:34 AM
I would like to know if everybody else's taxes went down this year.  Mine went UP and that is part of the reason my house will be for sale come spring.  I can't afford to own property in Elk Co.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Wilma on November 20, 2011, 12:42:31 PM
Flo, I can't imagine why your taxes would have gone up.  You haven't done any improvements, have you?

Patriot, thank you for your kind words.  Yes, I am an optimistic fool.  I think that by next year there will be more income in Elk County and the commissioners will use part of it for real estate tax relief.  And I refuse to look at it the other way.  If the worse does happen, then I have had a whole year of happier thoughts.
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 20, 2011, 12:58:36 PM
Flo, were you reassessed for some reason? New deck or side walk or anything that would add value to your place? If not perhaps you could appeal the increase. It might have been an error.
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: indygal on November 20, 2011, 01:25:02 PM
Our taxes went up, and we haven't made any improvements. Not unless two raised-bed gardens and an iron dog run count as "improvements." ???
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Patriot on November 20, 2011, 01:58:48 PM
Quote from: indygal on November 20, 2011, 01:25:02 PM
Not unless two raised-bed gardens and an iron dog run count as "improvements." ???

If it's hooked to the ground, could be.  For god sake... don't paint!

Seriously, welcome to Elk County.   ???
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Patriot on November 20, 2011, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: Wilma on November 20, 2011, 12:42:31 PM
Flo, I can't imagine why your taxes would have gone up.  You haven't done any improvements, have you?

...And I refuse to look at it the other way.  If the worse does happen, then I have had a whole year of happier thoughts.

Enjoy your retirement..... Oh! Look... dandelions!
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Wilma on November 20, 2011, 02:13:39 PM
And the prettiest one is the one your great grandchild picks and brings in just for you.
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Patriot on November 20, 2011, 02:36:56 PM
Quote from: Wilma on November 20, 2011, 12:42:31 PM
Patriot, thank you for your kind words.


My words formed a question (?) and not a compliment, dear.

Perhaps it's time to teach the great grandkid how to make dandelion wine.
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: flo on November 20, 2011, 03:26:40 PM
absolutely NO improvements to my property.  Can't afford the materials and labor.  Well, the labor would be free (from my children), but would still need the materials.  All I wanted was a small back porch.  :'(  I thought maybe I was remembering wrong so got out last years statement.  I was right, they went up almost $30.00.  I only paid half this amount of tax in Greenwood county and I had a house, large double garage and shop all on 10 acres.  Go figure  :-[
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: readyaimduck on November 20, 2011, 05:48:01 PM
Quotetwo raised-bed gardens and an iron dog run
Those are not picked up as taxable.   You must have done something.   I would PUP, just to get an explanation.

Flo:
QuoteI was right, they went up almost $30.00.

That means your house went up $3000 in assessed value.  Greenwood county is one of the higher Counties in the SE Kansas depending on your city.

Mine went up, however I think I will have to PUP in order to get it straight.
ready
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: readyaimduck on November 20, 2011, 05:50:41 PM
QuoteFlo, were you reassessed for some reason

Diane:  Don't know how your State works, (it should be the same or similar) however here in Kansas, the properties are by statute to be appraised every year as of Jan 1.  that means, it may not have been changed by appraisal, but by the mil levy.

ready
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: indygal on November 20, 2011, 06:45:41 PM
Ready, I'm not sure what PUP means, but it sounds like something I should do. LOL Ours have gone up each year since we bought the place in 2006 and I swear we've made no improvements other than plant a couple of trees and some flowers. The raised beds are not permanent, nor is the dog run. We did fix a broken storm window, and we did some minor painting of door trim. Certainly not $7,000 worth (if it's based on 1 percent, as our taxes went up $70). We were planning to add a small porch on the back, but we may reconsider.
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Dee Gee on November 20, 2011, 06:59:29 PM
I know better than to reply in politics, but PUP is paid under protest.  If part of the properties are higher than last year and others are lower than the appraisal has been changed  on some of the properties.
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: readyaimduck on November 20, 2011, 07:14:54 PM
QuoteI know better than to reply in politics, but PUP is paid under protest.

That is correct.  It is a way of saying that "I disagree with the value you have...can you share what you think?"
However, if minor stuff was done and even if it went up $2000, the Mil levy going up drastically is the driver for the taxes.

If indeed the county has missed something....this is the time ( as well as when you first get your CVN (Change of Value Notice) that you ask.

Dee Gee:   
QuoteIf part of the properties are higher than last year and others are lower than the appraisal has been changed  on some of the properties.

That would higly be unlikely, unless the classification of the property has been changed...ie, rural to farm, rural to Commercial, etc
ready
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: readyaimduck on November 20, 2011, 07:19:37 PM
Dee Gee:  I may rescind part of my statement.   Depending on the structure...depreciation comes into play on certain years.
Or, other mitigating circumstances like gutting the house, or just plain reaapraisal   (taking a closer look....hands on...only required every 6 years,)  It can be confusing, I agree.
ready
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: readyaimduck on November 20, 2011, 07:30:46 PM
Indy:   I agree.  No improvements other than paint and a few boards on the outside may not be a value driven outcome, and to me shouldn't 'raise my taxes'. 
However, the system is based on a cost index which is figured into the year built less depreciation, and the market driven value
is based on sales in that area with like, or similar houses.   
Taxes: = Appraised value x class x mill levy.   See your commissioner for the jump in the mil levy.
  Appraised: = mass ballpark opinion based on recent sales in that area and any improvements, or the cost index (which trust me, goes up each year and it is out of the hands of the appraiser)
   Anger: = I feel you! 
Knowing where the root of the anger is all about education.   and I frequent this site just to learn...how to disseminate the fact from the bs.  (good luck with that one!    ;D

ready
Title: Re: SURPRISE!!
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 21, 2011, 09:04:57 AM
No, we are not assessed annually. Usually at the time of a sale of a house or a significant improvement that caused a building permit to be drawn.