Do we have an image problem? I ran across this on an out of county blog. I'm ashamed, are you?
Has any of you Elk County Taxpayers and Voters taken a good look at your sheriff? I don't know what his name is. I was in town for the Elk River Festival and got a good look at your sheriff as he strutted around the courtyard. I have never seen such a hillbilly looking law enforcment officer in my life. Blue jeans. Bullet proof vest on the outside of his polo shirt. The vest was filthy dirty. Blue jeans. Wonder when he changed those last? He had two officers following him around. One in an all dark blue uniform. Now, he looked clean. The other one, in a regular looking uniform and he looked clean. How do you voters and taxpayers let your sheriff get away with looking so dirty? You are paying him around $32,000 a year or so my cousin says. Can't he afford to wash his uniforms? I told my cousin, as we were watching him walk around, that where we live,(Wichita), you would never see an officer look so dirty as what I saw today. He should be ashamed to represent Elk Count like this. You should be ashamed to have him represent you.
And this at a festival? We advertise, mow the lawn and clean the windows and then perhaps the most visible ambassador for our home leaves this impression? Great!
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As a member of Rural Fire I have to admit that the current Sheriff has done some good.......but with a 32,000 dollar salary you don't get Brodrick Crawford. Most of the rural cops deal with rural issues (hence the blue jeans). He could have also been on a call that he got dirty on, prior to you seeing him. In the recent past, I think the guys in the Dept. have looked ok.
Kelly
You know it is true that the sherriffs around here, all these counties around here do things that wichita cops don't. Like herding cattle that get loose ect ect.. But then again, it only takes 10 min to shower and change. The jeans imo aren't necessarily a bad thing since they do help ranchers and other folks on their farms. I wouldn't expect them to be wearing nice uniforms to handle that.
I don't know. would have to have more info on that. But like i said 10 min for image is forgivable if your late.
Quote from: doobie on October 08, 2011, 09:50:49 AM
As a member of Rural Fire I have to admit that the current Sheriff has done some good.......but with a 32,000 dollar salary you don't get Brodrick Crawford. Most of the rural cops deal with rural issues (hence the blue jeans). He could have also been on a call that he got dirty on, prior to you seeing him. In the recent past, I think the guys in the Dept. have looked ok.
Perhaps he has done some good. But perhaps he should have gone home and freshened up a bit before making a public appearance at a widely attended public event. Rather than make excuses for unacceptable yet avoidable actions, perhaps we should look to other sheriff folk in other mostly rural counties. Are we the rule, or the exception? Of course, I didn't make the observation or comments. A visitor to our home did. I'm just askin.
Or then someone might have noticed his truck parked in front of his house while he was taking his 10 minute shower and accuse him of sitting at home when he should have been on duty and then created problems for him because they wouldn't have known he needed to" look better" for the Festival. Like Steve says, we don't know what they encountered that day. And now you want to suggest we might need to vote someone out of office over this?
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on October 08, 2011, 03:52:57 PM
Or then someone might have noticed his truck parked in front of his house while he was taking his 10 minute shower and accuse him of sitting at home when he should have been on duty and then created problems for him because they wouldn't have known he needed to" look better" for the Festival. Like Steve says, we don't know what they encountered that day. And now you want to suggest we might need to vote someone out of office over this?
Goodnes Roma, why so touchy?
Yes, someone might have questioned. C'est la vie. Easily & justifiably explained.
I never suggested voting anyone out of office, least of all for one bad hair day. I simply relayed what a visitor to our home said regarding their impression. Having a uniformed background in law enforcement, I happen to agree with them. Esprit de corps and professional appearance among law enforcement personnel, because the uniform makes them so visible, can have an effect on how visitors view our community. Professional appearance also impacts the respect in general that civilians and officers have for the department. Surely you aren't suggesting appearance doesn't count. If so, then let's buy em bib overalls with stitched on badges, longhandles and tennis shoes as a cost savings measure. Now there's a visual.
Like I said, this was a visitor's observation. And the impression of visitors sometimes matters.
I'm just shaking my head. I've come back from nasty calls with blood and vomit on me when I couldn't get totally cleaned up at the hospital after a messy call. At that point ya can't win. If we come across another incident and don't stop we'd get criticized. If we did stop and looked bad we'd catch it for that. Sometimes it's so bad we have to put the vehicle out of service so the back and the crew can be cleaned up and deodorized. We do keep a change of uniforms and/or jumpsuits at the station but it takes the crew out of service for awhile. An hour ago we had a bicyclist struck by a train. Just pieces...upset everybody. You can imagine the mess.
Cut the guy a break or find out what he'd just been doing. If there was no reason, then he was wrong to not be spiffy.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 08, 2011, 05:16:53 PM
Cut the guy a break or find out what he'd just been doing. If there was no reason, then he was wrong to not be spiffy.
You seem to have missed the observers comments about the other two deputies. They were spiffy. I guess the Elk Riverfest was so disorderly that the presence of 3/4s of the department were essential. Darned Elk County terrorists, they're everywhere. How about we give our guest the break?
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on October 08, 2011, 03:52:57 PM
Or then someone might have noticed his truck parked in front of his house while he was taking his 10 minute shower and accuse him of sitting at home when he should have been on duty and then created problems for him because they wouldn't have known he needed to" look better" for the Festival. Like Steve says, we don't know what they encountered that day. And now you want to suggest we might need to vote someone out of office over this?
I did also say a 10 min shower and change would have been advisable. I too would think the same thing about him if i did not know he does do things like help chase cattle and other dirty jobs. Heck he could have showered and changed at the jail. I agree with Patriot and this other person as well as understand the sherriff does different duties here than one would do in wichita.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 08, 2011, 05:16:53 PM
I'm just shaking my head. I've come back from nasty calls with blood and vomit on me when I couldn't get totally cleaned up at the hospital after a messy call. At that point ya can't win. If we come across another incident and don't stop we'd get criticized. If we did stop and looked bad we'd catch it for that. Sometimes it's so bad we have to put the vehicle out of service so the back and the crew can be cleaned up and deodorized. We do keep a change of uniforms and/or jumpsuits at the station but it takes the crew out of service for awhile. An hour ago we had a bicyclist struck by a train. Just pieces...upset everybody. You can imagine the mess.
Cut the guy a break or find out what he'd just been doing. If there was no reason, then he was wrong to not be spiffy.
Diane, if you ever showed up on a call for me and were not cleaned up from the last call i would throw a fit! I don't want someone elses blood or guts on me, nor do i want possible disease that could infect me! Sorry but thats not a option even if i am dying from a heart attack. I would not let you touch me!
Don't worry, we'd never do that. :o My point is people make assumptions about what they think they see and don't really know what's going on.
We did stop in route on time with a teenager who had a bad cut on his upper leg from a saw, when about 3 blocks away on the same street there was a child hit by a car just as we started to leave for the hospital. We had to pass by there and stopped to see what could be done. I stayed with my patient, who was stable, while my partner ,who was completely clean, went and stabilized the little boy while we waited for our second ambulance to come.Turned out both families knew each other.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 08, 2011, 06:34:04 PM
Don't worry, we'd never do that. :o My point is people make assumptions about what they think they see and don't really know what's going on.
We did stop in route on time with a teenager who had a bad cut on his upper leg from a saw, when about 3 blocks away on the same street there was a child hit by a car just as we started to leave for the hospital. We had to pass by there and stopped to see what could be done. I stayed with my patient, who was stable, while my partner ,who was completely clean, went and stabilized the little boy while we waited for our second ambulance to come.Turned out both families knew each other.
Thats totally kool. I was afraid that you were saying that you have done this. That isn't kool in todays age. Now i would have to say in a MASSIVE DISASTER like 9/11 that goes out the door since there was no way it could be contained.
How long has it been since he got a new bullet proof vest? If it is that dirty he probably prefers to wear it on the outside.
Quote from: Ms Bear on October 08, 2011, 06:55:32 PM
How long has it been since he got a new bullet proof vest? If it is that dirty he probably prefers to wear it on the outside.
If the fibers haven't broken down (vest still useable), and at a cost of $200 - $400 each for a new vest, wouldn't finding a way to properly clean it make more sense?
Quote from: Patriot on October 08, 2011, 07:02:08 PM
If the fibers haven't broken down (vest still useable), and at a cost of $200 - $400 each for a new vest, wouldn't finding a way to properly clean it make more sense?
the last i checked uhm kevlar was washable.
Quote from: srkruzich on October 08, 2011, 07:04:44 PM
the last i checked uhm kevlar was washable.
Yes, but sweat and some environmental elements can cause some fiber breakdown over time and reduce the effectiveness of the vest.
The Kevlar inserts can be surface cleaned with mild soap..The vest itself is washable there are some things that can't be used on the Kevlar as it breaks down the fibers but right now I can't remember what it is.
Quote from: Patriot on October 08, 2011, 07:07:28 PM
Yes, but sweat and some environmental elements can cause some fiber breakdown over time and reduce the effectiveness of the vest.
hmm then there needs to be a budget that can provide replacements. Maybe having them cleaned appropriately ect. That is a justifiable expense. Just like their weapons their protective gear needs to be maintained constantly and the cost should not come out of their pockets.
Might be a good use of public tax dollars to go to maintenance of the sheriffs equipment than to spend on non profit orgs.
what is the safe lifespan of a vest?
It depends on the wear and tear of the user, but about 6 years is average I think.
Quote from: srkruzich on October 08, 2011, 07:33:36 PM
what is the safe lifespan of a vest?
Most are warranted for 5 yrs, but physical bending/rough handling, sweat, temperature, humidity and other enviro factors can reduce effectiveness in less time. But that really has no bearing on the community image created by wearing a disheveled uniform with an unclean vest worn outside the uniform shirt.
Quote from: Patriot on October 08, 2011, 07:42:34 PM
Most are warranted for 5 yrs, but physical bending/rough handling, sweat, temperature, humidity and other enviro factors can reduce effectiveness in less time. But that really has no bearing on the community image created by wearing a disheveled uniform with an unclean vest worn outside the uniform shirt.
Thats true!
Unless things have been changed, there is a private bathroom, complete with shower in the sheriff's private part of the jail. It only makes sense that he keep clean clothes at the jail. However, I cannot answer as to why our sheriff appeared unkempt at that time.
The real point of this isn't showers etc. It is once more we have someone using the Forum to single out another citizen and stir up potential problems for them and their livlihood. You got a beef with the sheriff..walk down the street, ring the bell and have a chat. Man to man.
that is so true Roma. He might not have been on duty that day and the other deputy's were.......I also kind of remember him being involved in the bank robbery........or just trying to enjoy his family and the festival that day.
Boy, talk about grumpy..If any of you accusers are saints step out and show yourselves.....Gee!
Yall gotta remember this was brought up by a wichita resident.
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on October 09, 2011, 07:41:28 AM
The real point of this isn't showers etc.
That much of your statement is true, Roma....
Quote from: srkruzich on October 09, 2011, 07:55:52 AM
Yall gotta remember this was brought up by a wichita resident.
The real point is about honest introspection and learning to take honest criticism from others who see our community from the outside looking in. Are you so blind that you still believe I made the critique? Re-read the first post in this thread. Steve is right.
Frankly, I don't give a damn what he had done prior to attending the Festival. He should have cleaned himself up first, period. If his vest was dirty that is his responsibility he should maintain his equipment. For crying out loud how many cops do you need at any event in Elk County anyway? Did they all show up in hopes of getting their picture in the paper?
They handle rural issues??...When was the last time you saw any of our cops on a gravel road? For that matter when was the last time you saw any of them out of howard and off the higway? I live in grenola and quite frankly it is a rare thing to see any police presence in this town.
But since we're talking image, does anyone know if our sheriffs dept. has physical requirements for their officers? Call me kooky but I think that a cop should by in good physical condition as well as having a clean and serviceable uniform.
You mean to tell me a bank was robbed in Howard? When did this happen? A long time ago? Recently? Or did it coincide with an event that was going on in Coffeyville where 2 banks were robbed by the Dalton Gang? Can't prove it but I doubt the Daltons ever stepped foot in Howard. It's nice to have a reenactment of something that actually happened, but in Howard's case that would be just make believe right? I got an idea, how about next year we put on the battle at Little Big Horn, I mean hell it didn't happen in Howard either. Just stating the obvious...Mr. KSH
My goodness! One would think that just plain fun for the sake of nothing more than fun itself was suddenly illegal. Questioning the condition of your Sheriff I understand, but to now jump on the reenactment because it didn't really happen? Why so sour and sarcastic?
Because this county should do things that are original to them, not copy off of other towns, especially when what was being reenacted never happened here! Reenactments are fine, just make sure that what you're reenacting actually happened where you are reenacting it at!
Well, based on your views, no Renaissance Festivals should be held, then, either. I don't think it matters where the location is...I think what matters is the attempt to bring ANYTHING of cultural value to the people of any given community.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 09, 2011, 10:46:14 AM
My goodness! One would think that just plain fun for the sake of nothing more than fun itself was suddenly illegal. Questioning the condition of your Sheriff I understand, but to now jump on the reenactment because it didn't really happen? Why so sour and sarcastic?
Diane, I don't believe it was an Elk County citizen questioning the condition of the sheriff. I believe the person said they were from Wichita and were visiting that day.
I think it is a good thing that Patriot brought that opinion to the forum. However; because it was someone from outside the county writing the opinion, everyone suddenly jumps up and shouts, Hey. Don't be saying that about our people. Someone from outside the county isn't allowed to make a comment of something that they observed? Wow. As for this person showing him or herself, the comment wasn't even posted on this forum. Dang people.
So, have you really taken a look at the condition of the sheriff's vest? Pay attention. Just saying.
It's called reality forum Janry.
Sort of like housewives dwts hell's kitchen....alll of those we feel pasionate about but can't control.
if the guy just came in from a call...okay. if he came in and didn't go to the precint...hmmmmm if he was off duty...Take a laundry day...you sir represent the county!
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Quote from: Janet Harrington on October 09, 2011, 04:44:42 PM
So, have you really taken a look at the condition of the sheriff's vest?
Yes, among other things, and on multiple occasions. And much of what I'm seeing here is the old line, "Don't malign my drug addled kid because he/she/it isn't as bad as those other folks drug addled kid." Leave my kid out of it, my kid has a valid excuse for being out of line."
Uh huh. And lunar property is on sale this week. So tell that 'Wichita outsider' to get his glasses fixed because he's wrong. How dare he come here and report to the world what he saw. Yep, that and a new school on Highway 99 will make people wanna move here in droves.
Thanks, Janet, for an honest, objective look.
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on October 09, 2011, 07:41:28 AM
The real point of this isn't showers etc. It is once more we have someone using the Forum to single out another citizen and stir up potential problems for them and their livlihood. You got a beef with the sheriff..walk down the street, ring the bell and have a chat. Man to man.
The same thing could be said for the sheriff. Instead of running to a persons boss demanding that person be fired for something that person said on a public forum maybe the sheriff should put his big boy pants on and realize that he is an elected offical and open to public ridicule. If he can't take folks commenting on his sloppy uniform then perhaps he should seek employment elsewhere.
You know, there seems to be an epidemic of thin skin disorder around these parts among people who voluntarily walk into the public spotlight. Of course, I could be wrong.
Or perhaps he should clean up the uniform and look proud of it.
well......hmmmm....you know it is bad when the outsiders are complaining ...all i know is there arnt enough people that have the balls to confront him for he WILL go after you with a vengence..after all this is small town america where the law THINKS they run everything all i know is i WILL be voting for somone other than him ...oh by the way ....good job on keepiing a good public image sherrif...i am a mechanic it is my job to get dirty...but even i carry another change of clothes that way when i go on a test drive i dont get other peoples stuff dirty......hint hint...bring a change of clothes with you
Quote from: Varmit on October 11, 2011, 08:01:45 PM
The same thing could be said for the sheriff. Instead of running to a persons boss demanding that person be fired for something that person said on a public forum maybe the sheriff should put his big boy pants on and realize that he is an elected offical and open to public ridicule. If he can't take folks commenting on his sloppy uniform then perhaps he should seek employment elsewhere.
I am kind of reading between the lines here, but if you are saying what I think you are saying, then I am so sorry that the sheriff thinks he has the right to do something like that. Obviously he doesn't know what the US Constitution is all about. Well, I didn't vote for him. Just saying.
I think there are about 6 people on here need to get a life for goodness sake
I can not sit by anymore, I agree with Varmit- In August in Elk Falls a local man doing volunteer work, brush hog, was pulled off the tractor while it was running and beaten. Middle of the day, with witnesses, and to this date there have been no arrests, not even a citation. Two men pull a man volunteering for the community off a moving tractor, with a brush hog running, beat him and nothing happens. Maybe I don't understand, maybe all our local volunteers need a good beating from time to time.
Quote from: LoLo on October 13, 2011, 09:38:36 PM
I think there are about 6 people on here need to get a life for goodness sake
Really? Who and why?
I am with Varmit on this. To LoLo, who and why do 6 people on this forum need to get a life?
Actually, it has become apparent, here and elsewhere, that anyone who makes public a valid criticism of the status quo in these parts, is being 'negative' and is either whacko or is airing some kind of forbidden laundry and is not welcome to their opinion. I was always taught to face the negatives head on and correct problems where the exist. If everything were always 'positive' we would be living in that Walgreen's town of Perfect. Unfortunately, we don't. To believe otherwise might indicate disordered thinking.
Quote from: doobie on October 14, 2011, 07:18:51 AM
I can not sit by anymore, I agree with Varmit- In August in Elk Falls a local man doing volunteer work, brush hog, was pulled off the tractor while it was running and beaten. Middle of the day, with witnesses, and to this date there have been no arrests, not even a citation. Two men pull a man volunteering for the community off a moving tractor, with a brush hog running, beat him and nothing happens. Maybe I don't understand, maybe all our local volunteers need a good beating from time to time.
I never heard anything about that.
Honestly this is what you are going to be concerned about? Well be sure the next time that your loved one is clinging on to life who is going to show up first, will it be the elk county EMS? Hmmm... I think not. I don't know how many times I have heard only good things about the Sheriff's office during times of this nature. But that wouldn't concern everybody nor people from "Wichita". Maybe the Sheriff should wear a suit and tie look all fancy, get a little jeep he could buzz around in. But maybe the people of Elk County could appreciate what they do have A WORKING SHERIFF. Sit there and cry and moan on your big pillows about what everybody else is doing. I'm happy that the man from "Wichita" has a bad impression I don't want somebody that shallow living in my county.
Quote from: jhongreen on October 20, 2011, 05:08:11 PM
Honestly this is what you are going to be concerned about? Well be sure the next time that your loved one is clinging on to life who is going to show up first, will it be the elk county EMS? Hmmm... I think not. I don't know how many times I have heard only good things about the Sheriff's office during times of this nature. But that wouldn't concern everybody nor people from "Wichita". Maybe the Sheriff should wear a suit and tie look all fancy, get a little jeep he could buzz around in. But maybe the people of Elk County could appreciate what they do have A WORKING SHERIFF. Sit there and cry and moan on your big pillows about what everybody else is doing. I'm happy that the man from "Wichita" has a bad impression I don't want somebody that shallow living in my county.
jhongreen, I don't know who you are or where you live, but you better step back just a minute and give this comment about Elk County EMS a thought. I just asked a person on the EMS service and I was told that the sheriff's office does not go to the EMS calls. I guess you didn't get the memo about the sheriff telling his people that they will not help EMS. If you do live in Elk County, all you have to do is ask any of the people on the EMS service. If you need names, PM me and I will provide them for you. Oh, and by the way, you can tell who I am as I don't hide behind a moniker.
I don't believe that the person who made the observation while at the Elk River Festival said anything about whether the sheriff was a working sheriff or not. I am sure that sheriff's of counties such as Sedgwick County, etc., think they are working sheriffs, too. No one ever said that Doug wasn't a working sheriff. All that person said was how dirty his vest looked. And
what makes you think that the person from Wichita that made the observation is a man? Do you know something the rest of us don't?
Quote from: doobie on October 14, 2011, 07:18:51 AM
I can not sit by anymore, I agree with Varmit- In August in Elk Falls a local man doing volunteer work, brush hog, was pulled off the tractor while it was running and beaten. Middle of the day, with witnesses, and to this date there have been no arrests, not even a citation. Two men pull a man volunteering for the community off a moving tractor, with a brush hog running, beat him and nothing happens. Maybe I don't understand, maybe all our local volunteers need a good beating from time to time.
I just learned about this, doobie? Was there even a report taken? If so, call the county attorney's office and see why charges haven't been filed? It is possible that the sheriff's office did their part of it, taking the report, doing the investigation, and turning in the report to the county attorney. It is possible that the county attorneyis the hold up and not the sheriff's office. The victim needs to follow up on this and I would start with the county attorney.
Isn't it odd that Sarge hasn't heard anything about this incident, being who he is and where he lives? Is anyone sure that this even happened?
The way I hear it it doesn't take much help to sign a refusal
Ok I have taken my minute to step back. First off I'm not hiding behind anything I realized that I made a mistake typing my first name John. Please don't hold that against me but you probably will, any fault that can be found in this county, seems the class bullies pick at it like a heard of chickens. I may have been speaking without knowing all the facts of EMS and Sheriff's office. I wasn't bashing the EMS either just know it takes them a good while longer. Luckily I haven't had to use them in four years when the Sheriff himself ( I think in blue jeans and a polo) showed up with EMS to help with my mother. I didn't however take the time to properly inspect the Sheriff at this time for stains or dirt that may or may not wash off, nor did I give a good rat's ass whether he was in a button up shirt or slack uniform pants as long as he was there to help care for my mother. Which by the way if my memory serves me correct I believe that the EX Sheriff was the one who brought the polo shirts to the department DON'T quote me on this one.(Not a bash just stating what I believe to be a fact) As for being in the public and having to take peoples crap I guess that's the sad part of it. Sure grow thick skin, but last I checked we are all still people and under that thick skin there are feelings somewhere. Here is my take of what to be ashamed of, a public forum for the entire world to see that our small county can't even get along even over the smallest of dirt stains. ASININE to me. One more thought then I'll leave you to pick me apart like wolves. Maybe the Sheriff's washer broke, and only making $32,000 can't really afford dry cleaning. Did anybody go up and ask if they could help wash the vest? Never judge somebody's life when you don't know all the problems they may be facing.
Just Thinking
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the sheriff's dept. has a budget that covers uniforms. Neither he nor his deputies have to launder their uniforms. It seems to me that it also covers new uniforms and equipment.
Janet and Wilma- I do know for a fact the incident happened, police reports have been filed.....and now almost 90 days have passed and not a damn thing has been done to the two a**holes that assaulted the other man. I used to stick up for Elk Co. law enforcement................................
That is very strange.Was the man injured enough to need medical treatment?
jhongreen, if you think this forum is ASININE, then why are you on here? Why are you bringing up that I am the one that introduced polo shirts as uniforms? No one was talking about that. The person from Wichita said that the appearance of the sheriff was not a good one. Nothing was said about polo shirts. The only reason polo shirts and tactical pants were introduced as uniforms is because the officers wanted them. So we went with them. They were more practical then having uniform shirts and trousers that only got caught and ripped on barbed wire. As for the sheriff helping your mother, Doug has always been one to be there to help people. All this outside observer was doing was saying how his appearance was on a day that there were alot of out of town people there. Gosh, you sure are defensive over an out of town person's opinion.
Quote from: doobie on October 21, 2011, 01:53:19 PM
Janet and Wilma- I do know for a fact the incident happened, police reports have been filed.....and now almost 90 days have passed and not a damn thing has been done to the two a**holes that assaulted the other man. I used to stick up for Elk Co. law enforcement................................
doobie, this person really does need to go talk to the county attorney and see what is going on. I can almost bet you $10.00 that the officers turned in their report. Ask this person to go or call the county attorney.
Quote from Janet:
I just asked a person on the EMS service and I was told that the sheriff's office does not go to the EMS calls.
Janet, when did this start ? Wasn't very long ago we had a medical emergency here in Longton and Deputy Dan was on location in minutes of getting the call and stayed the half hour or so until an ambulance got here .
jarhead, I really don't know when it started. I just know from listening to the scanner that I don't hear the sheriff going to calls llike he used to. I asked the EMS person if the sheriff's office helped the EMS with calls and the answer was nope. It has something to do with the sheriff and the EMS director not getting along. Maybe it is just the sheriff that doesn't go anymore. I can tell you that when I was sheriff I got along just fine with the EMS director. Oh wait. That was me. LOL
A couple of months ago when I had the scare of a stroke and you all became concerned, I had called 911 before I lost
all my reasoning and kind of expected a first responder, I know how long it can take an ambulance crew and or help to get to
Longton, but no one came and the wait for the ambulance, since I didn't know what was wrong and my friend who did show up, had her hands tied as No one came to follow up on a "HELP!" call.
I just accepted this.....and figured something was going on somewhere else in county that was more important than my medical call.........but, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS.
Spent close to 30 minutes waiting for help. Wound up, I wasn't super critical, but at that moment I didn't know that.
I do not have a beef with the police/sheriff or any form of our county rescue people.......just thought it was a fluke. Why no first responder?
I stopped respecting the law in those parts when I got a ticket for doing 38 mph in a 35 zone. Nice car, California plates, and a young guy with a tan behind the wheel. You do the math.
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I stopped respecting the law in those parts when I got a ticket for doing 38 mph in a 35 zone. Nice car, California plates, and a young guy with a tan behind the wheel. You do the math.
Could you please be more specific in what you call "those parts "?
Not sure what your beef is. You say the speed limit was 35 and you were going 38 so it looks like you were breaking the law. Do you think young guys with a tan in a nice car with Ca. plates should be exempt from following the law ?
3mph over might be a little much for a ticket in these parts or even in Elk county, Jar.
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3mph over might be a little much for a ticket in these parts or even in Elk county, Jar.
So what do you suggest that you have to drive OVER the speed limit before you get a citation ? 10 MPH ? 20 MPH ?
Guess you aint been doing much driving down in Texas. Texas is very liberal with their speed limits and let you drive 70 MPH on highways that resemble US160 here in Elk county---BUT---when they say 70 MPH that's what they mean---not 72---not 73 !!
It seems that 55 mph on '99' or '160' is not enough in Elk County. Other narrow highways in Kansas have 65 mph to keep one alert.
Quote from: Judy Harder on October 22, 2011, 05:32:14 AM
Spent close to 30 minutes waiting for help. Wound up, I wasn't super critical, but at that moment I didn't know that.
I do not have a beef with the police/sheriff or any form of our county rescue people.......just thought it was a fluke. Why no first responder?
Possibly not a fluke. If you knew the facts, Judy, they would be enough to CAUSE a stroke.
Quote from: Anmar on October 22, 2011, 12:35:28 PM
I stopped respecting the law in those parts when I got a ticket for doing 38 mph in a 35 zone. Nice car, California plates, and a young guy with a tan behind the wheel. You do the math.
38 mph in a 35 zone. Nice car, California plates, and a young guy with a tan behind the wheel = Yuppie, Berkley liberal hate America type who, by the way was in violation of the law.
Fact is you were violating the law and your disrespect was already in place witnessed by that act alone... as was your MBA inability to read a speedometer apparently. Your perfume was irrelevant. Did you pay the fine or is there a warrant out for you?
Janet, I never said I thought that the forum was ASNINE what I had said was that fussing over dirt stains to the world was ASNINE whether it be by outsiders or us Elk County folk. Second, I brought up the fact of the polo's and jeans because that was the concern of the very first thread, HOW HILLBILLY it was. Now why are you so concerned about what I post, is it just because I don't agree with your thoughts? No one expects you to like or vote for the current Sheriff, he was your opponent and beat you with a 2 to 1 vote if I remember correctly. That tends to cause sour feelings.
Doobie like everybody has said check with the county attorney maybe you need to direct your anger with some other elected official. That's like being mad at the health nurse for your current appraisal.
Also there was just a call here in Longton where EMS was needed and the Sheriff's Office responded and beat EMS by about 30-40 minutes so I guess my first post wasn't that far off
Guess I have driven in Texas quite a bit and most everyone runs ten mph above the speed limit. No I have never had a speeding ticket Mr. Jarhead. And by the way since you are such a law abiding citizen, just how would you know if they give a ticket if you are running 1 mph above the speed limit? ::) ::) :P
Quote...a public forum for the entire world to see that our small county can't even get along even over the smallest of dirt stains. ASININE to me.
might want to rethink or rework what you wrote.
The subject is the forum, and the second statement is reflective of the first. just saying....
ready
However, I can see where you were going with this. Was just worded wierd...and no I am not the best, as most people ask me if I have been drinking.
Fingers fly faster than the brain clickers.
ready to recharge
Quote from: jarhead on October 21, 2011, 08:04:49 PM
Quote from Janet:
I just asked a person on the EMS service and I was told that the sheriff's office does not go to the EMS calls.
Janet, when did this start ? Wasn't very long ago we had a medical emergency here in Longton and Deputy Dan was on location in minutes of getting the call and stayed the half hour or so until an ambulance got here .
Someones got the wrong info and gave it to you, when Ember stopped breathing that night and i was doing cpr on her, the sherriff was the first one there. BTW he was in a clean uniform. ;)
He assisted me in the cpr as i was really worn down from it.
Quote from: Judy Harder on October 22, 2011, 05:32:14 AM
A couple of months ago when I had the scare of a stroke and you all became concerned, I had called 911 before I lost
all my reasoning and kind of expected a first responder, I know how long it can take an ambulance crew and or help to get to
Longton, but no one came and the wait for the ambulance, since I didn't know what was wrong and my friend who did show up, had her hands tied as No one came to follow up on a "HELP!" call.
I just accepted this.....and figured something was going on somewhere else in county that was more important than my medical call.........but, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS.
Spent close to 30 minutes waiting for help. Wound up, I wasn't super critical, but at that moment I didn't know that.
I do not have a beef with the police/sheriff or any form of our county rescue people.......just thought it was a fluke. Why no first responder?
VERY Scary! I too had a emergency and it was about 30+ min before the EMTS arrived though a sherriff arrived and had to immediately leave due to a domestic abuse call.
Quote from: greatguns on October 23, 2011, 03:12:57 PM
Guess I have driven in Texas quite a bit and most everyone runs ten mph above the speed limit. No I have never had a speeding ticket Mr. Jarhead. And by the way since you are such a law abiding citizen, just how would you know if they give a ticket if you are running 1 mph above the speed limit? ::) ::) :P
well with any vehicle i've ever owned i would have had to jump out and push it faster to achieve a speed over the limit
Quote from greatguns:
Guess I have driven in Texas quite a bit and most everyone runs ten mph above the speed limit. No I have never had a speeding ticket Mr. Jarhead. And by the way since you are such a law abiding citizen, just how would you know if they give a ticket if you are running 1 mph above the speed limit
Whoa there Hoss ! Where in hell did you come up with, that I'm a law abiding citizen ? I earned all but two tickets I ever got so don't be trying to ruin my reputation.(If you include tickets from the Wildlife & Parks ---which I have donated generously to over the years, thank you very much !! )
I dare you---I double dog dare you to drive from Wichita Falls, Tx to Anson, Tx and do it at 80 MPH. If you dare to try it you better buy a binder to put all your tickets in. Hells bells, I will even make it easier on you. Try buzzing thru Leon going JUST 10 MPH over the speed limit and let us all know how that turns out, Miss Speedy Gonzales :D
Hubby and I figured out the Leon speed trap without getting a ticket. We make sure we slow down now.....
Lisa
Quote from: jhongreen on October 23, 2011, 03:11:23 PM
Janet, I never said I thought that the forum was ASNINE what I had said was that fussing over dirt stains to the world was ASNINE whether it be by outsiders or us Elk County folk. Second, I brought up the fact of the polo's and jeans because that was the concern of the very first thread, HOW HILLBILLY it was. Now why are you so concerned about what I post, is it just because I don't agree with your thoughts? No one expects you to like or vote for the current Sheriff, he was your opponent and beat you with a 2 to 1 vote if I remember correctly. That tends to cause sour feelings.
jhongreen, You are just a hoot. I'm not concerned with what you post. You said this forum was ASNINE so I just asked why you were on. As for sour feelings towards the current sheriff, nope, don't even go there. I give credit where credit is due. He won. I didn't. Whoopee. That was, OMG, 7 years ago. I gave 17 years of my life as sheriff. He probably did me a favor by beating me. I don't weigh as much as I did and I sure don't suffer from the skin problems I was having when I as sheriff. I think you are reading into what I write. And as for my thoughts, I don't write my thoughts. If I did, Ms. T would delete me from this forum. You seem to be so defensive about what orginally was an observance by a person from out of town and was posted on a different forum and brought to this forum by Patriot. Wow. I didn't even start this post.
Wow, Judy. That really sounds terrible, but it could have been fluke. Like you said, they could have all been busy. I don't know how many first responders Longton has, but things could have been going on. Sorry that you had to go through that.
Jar, it can be done at Leon about 3:00 in the morning. Ask me how I know? ;) Now don't try it at 3:00 in the afternoon. I got friends in low places. ;)
I have been driving on Texas highways for over 30 years now and I have been extremely lucky not to get a ticket. One verbal warning on 59 one day. It wasn't acceptable for me to be late for work since I bragged about being able to make from my driveway to my parking spot at work in 17 minutes. Don't know how I kept from getting a ticket since the speed limit was 65 and we averaged 77 and some days better than that. I love freeways.
I did use the cruise control or watched the speedometer when I was in Elk County though.
This is off the subject, but I just laugh at Oklahoma drivers that I see in Elk County. I drive the speed limit. I just do. I'm not going to risk getting a ticket because I am sure there are some that would love to give me one. LOL Anyway, Oklahoma tags are passing me all the time going south. I always wonder if they drive like that in their own state.
Janet, driving through Oklahoma on my way to Kansas I have seen many of them driving just like that. It is kind of like here in New Mexico. It is funny to see people with out of state plates drive through town with a 30 mph zone and not and officer in site most of the time. I was going the speed limit the other day and almost got ran over by a car from Kansas lol. I had to laugh about it. I think that they were from western Kansas.
Working sheriff my ass!! The only time I ever had to call the sheriffs dept. was when my wife at the time called to report someone trying to get into the house. It was 3am, I was working the night shift at rubbermaid and wasn't home. When she called the dispatcher told her that no one was available and that she'd have to call and wake somone up, then the dispatcher asked her if there was a gun in the house. When the sheriff did show up, an hour later, all he did was drive by and shine his spotlight at the house. Didn't stop and make sure that my wife and kids were alright or anything.
But, Varmit, I am just spreading "sour grapes" you know. I just have a grudge against him. This is what I have been trying to imply. People need to wake up. I know that one of his campaign promises he gave was that there would be 24 hour coverage, that he would have a deputy out all night. That has never happened. I knew it wouldn't, but oh well. That the way he does things. But then again, I am just bearing a grudge or so they say. And like I said to jhongreen, I give credit where credit is due. When it is not due, then his office doesn't get it.
And you are so impressive from what I hear, FIRED from Wilson County, FIRED from the State Prison So they tell me..But really Nobody cares
I agree with Varmit. When we lived in Howard, we had a man IN OUR DRIVEWAY TRYING TO STEAL A TRUCK. The city officer showed up 30 minutes later and drove around the block several times. If Ryan wou;dn't have stepped out the door and fired the ol .45 in the air, my truck would have been stolen. This happened at 10:00 o'clock at night. DURING THE week. What the hell was going on in Howard that took the city officer so long to respond?!
I'm glad I'm a resident of Greenwood County now. I can have an issue, like this summer, a man was stealing gasoline out of our storage tanks, and call dispatch and someone is here within 10 minutes.
Get to work on your response times Elk County Sheriff's Office.
Lol dang Janet you bring out he catty bitchs tonight huh.
Not to mention, I live out in the sticks, and at least every few days, I see a deputy or Sheriff go by the house.
Never saw that when I lived in rural Elk County.
Be careful to admit to speeding on these forums. I guess patriot thinks speeders hate america? I guess you're still sore about being made a fool of over in the politics section.
LoLo, I don't know who you are, but unless you know the circumstances of Janet being fired, you shouldn't be mouthing off. If you do know the circumstances, please enlighten the rest of the forum. I know, but it isn't my place to put it on the forum. You however are making snide remarks about something that you might know nothing about.
I only have one comment to make and then I'll check out. If there is no deputy on duty at night in Elk County, then why do I hear them on the scanner at all the wee hours? I have made calls to the sheriff's office twice since moving to Howard and both times I had a response within 10 minutes. Sorry, maybe when you call it takes a few minutes to get to your house. As for the "city" officer, I think she must only be on duty at night, because her car is at home most days when I go by. I do see her patroling in the evenings, other than that I don't know. No way is everyone gonna be satisfied with law enforcement, regardless of the city, county or state. Remember, just like our President, the sheriff is in office because the citizens of Elk County wanted him there, so you can blame yourself and if you don't live in Elk County, then you have no business running any employee of the county down. PERIOD
Exactly why you have to be prepared to take of yourself. Like they say, when seconds matter the police are minutes away. It doesn't matter if we have the best police or the worst police in the world, you MUST be able and prepared to take of yourself so that you can protect yourself or your property. That's not to say we don't need police at all but you need to be ready to do what you can until the police are able to arrive.
If you are in town, even if an officer lives right next door to you, you still need to be able to handle a minute or two of no one being there to help. If you're out in the country at all, be prepared for a longer wait. Until they somehow come up with Star Trek style transporters to beam people around its just a fact of life that you absolutely must be prepared for.
Now for the officers/deputies to not get out of their vehicle to talk to the person that called, that's just bad practice. They need to go to talk to the person who called to confirm that everything is alright. That is a bit ridiculous in my opinion.
I don't know what the policy here is, but in Sedgwick County, if you called about an intruder or prowler, the dispatcher stayed on the line with you until the officers arrived. I don't think our dispatchers are so busy that they couldn't do that here. Especially for people that live close to the sheriff's office. I can see it taking half an hour to reach someone around Grenola unless there is a deputy in Grenola that could go out.
Look the bottom line on LEO's is this. First of all the supreme court ruled that LEO's do not have a obligation to protect us. They are only obligated to protect public property. (Lawsuit involved a woman with a protective order was attacked and she sued leos for not protecting her. Supreme court ruled in leos favor)
Next look at the number of LEO's per number of people in a population. Secondly look at the dispersal of said leo's to cover areas where population is. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to respond in a 2 min response time. Even if it were, thats 2 MIN that goes by without any help. IN 30 seconds you can be dead right there and the criminal long gone before a LEO ever shows up.
That leaves only one option. To take care of ones self. I've said it before and i'll say it to the day i die. Make that dumb sob die first, no matter what.
It is FAR BETTER to be tried by 12 than to be carried by 6
Quote from: LoLo on October 25, 2011, 09:19:28 PM
And you are so impressive from what I hear, FIRED from Wilson County, FIRED from the State Prison So they tell me..But really Nobody cares
Well, you know, you are so wrong on both accounts and I have the papers to prove it. I was let go at Wilson County because my services were no longer needed. I was not fired and his letter says as much. As for the prison, I did not finish my probationary period. I was not fired. But, whoever you are (hiding behind a moniker), you apparently know more about my circumstances than I do. The only job that I was fired from was from amazon and that was for a safety violation that I did that I turned myself in for, then got fired. But then again, you know so much about me and I know nothing about you because you don'thave the guts or balls to put your real name out there. But you can write whatever. This is an open forum. They let any jackass on here, including you and me. If you think you have hurt my feelings, guess again. And you are right, obviously nobody cares, except you because you are the one telling the story.
Quote from: srkruzich on October 25, 2011, 09:51:08 PM
Lol dang Janet you bring out he catty bitchs tonight huh.
LOL, dang, Steve. I sure did, didn't I? ROFLMAO
Quote from: Wilma on October 26, 2011, 07:32:08 AM
LoLo, I don't know who you are, but unless you know the circumstances of Janet being fired, you shouldn't be mouthing off. If you do know the circumstances, please enlighten the rest of the forum. I know, but it isn't my place to put it on the forum. You however are making snide remarks about something that you might know nothing about.
You know what, Mother. I don't know this person either, but since what LoLo wrote on here is not the truth because he/she doesn't know what went on, there could be a libel suit or slander suit, if I ever find out who that person is.
Quote from: flo on October 26, 2011, 09:21:17 AM
I only have one comment to make and then I'll check out. If there is no deputy on duty at night in Elk County, then why do I hear them on the scanner at all the wee hours? I have made calls to the sheriff's office twice since moving to Howard and both times I had a response within 10 minutes. Sorry, maybe when you call it takes a few minutes to get to your house. As for the "city" officer, I think she must only be on duty at night, because her car is at home most days when I go by. I do see her patroling in the evenings, other than that I don't know. No way is everyone gonna be satisfied with law enforcement, regardless of the city, county or state. Remember, just like our President, the sheriff is in office because the citizens of Elk County wanted him there, so you can blame yourself and if you don't live in Elk County, then you have no business running any employee of the county down. PERIOD
I only have one issue with your comment, Flo. The sheriff is in office because a majority of VOTERS who voted in that election wanted him in office, not citizens. VOTERS WHO VOTED.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on October 26, 2011, 05:30:47 PM
I only have one issue with your comment, Flo. The sheriff is in office because a majority of VOTERS who voted in that election wanted him in office, not citizens. VOTERS WHO VOTED.
Which once again proves the need to vote . . . in every election!
Yes, it does. It is every citizens duty and right to vote. In my opinion, a citizen should get registered and vote in every election no matter the issue. That is the only way we can stand up for our rights unles we occupy Wall street or something llike that. LOL
Quote from: Janet Harrington on October 26, 2011, 05:26:57 PM
LOL, dang, Steve. I sure did, didn't I? ROFLMAO
I guess they didn't get the memo about messin' with us Harringtons....... ;D
Lisa Harrington
Janet, I certainly don't want to argue with you, BUT, aren't voters citizens? I thought you had to be a citizen of Elk County to vote in Elk County. Guess that's kinda like splitting hairs. I'm outta here and have a good day. 8)
Flo, I think that Janet meant that only the voters that vote can put a candidate into office. Not all citizens are voters, more shame to them. But then, not all citizens can qualify to vote.
Quote from: flo on October 27, 2011, 08:33:56 AM
Janet, I certainly don't want to argue with you, BUT, aren't voters citizens? I thought you had to be a citizen of Elk County to vote in Elk County. Guess that's kinda like splitting hairs. I'm outta here and have a good day. 8)
You would think so but when the Government officials contract out public meetings and discussion of taxpayer issues to third party LLC's so they don't have to listen to the voters bitch, then you will soon end up with no elections and comittees that send out surveys to specially selected individuals to make up their desired voter demographics. That way they can distribute the taxpayer dime without bothering the voters with having to vote
Quote from: flo on October 27, 2011, 08:33:56 AM
Janet, I certainly don't want to argue with you, BUT, aren't voters citizens? I thought you had to be a citizen of Elk County to vote in Elk County. Guess that's kinda like splitting hairs. I'm outta here and have a good day. 8)
Flo, like Mother said, all voters are citizens, but not all citizens are voters. That is why I said it is the voters that put him in office, but not all the citizens. Lots of people in Elk County are not even registered to vote. I have always said that if you didn't vote, then you can't complain. I, however; have voted in elections since I lived in Sedan, Kansas, in 1980. Therefore; I have the right to complain, protest, praise, etc.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on October 27, 2011, 04:41:30 PM
...I have always said that if you didn't vote, then you can't complain. I, however; have voted in elections since I lived in Sedan, Kansas, in 1980. Therefore; I have the right to complain, protest, praise, etc.
Of course, there's that pesky constitutional matter in the First Amendment about the right to to petition the government for a redress of grievances (i.e. the right to complain, protest, praise, etc.), not to mention free speach... rights of
all citizens, not just voting citizens.
Oh, that little thing, Patriot. LOL
Quote from: Janet Harrington on October 27, 2011, 04:41:30 PM
Flo, like Mother said, all voters are citizens, but not all citizens are voters. That is why I said it is the voters that put him in office, but not all the citizens. Lots of people in Elk County are not even registered to vote. I have always said that if you didn't vote, then you can't complain. I, however; have voted in elections since I lived in Sedan, Kansas, in 1980. Therefore; I have the right to complain, protest, praise, etc.
Voting doesn't matter when neither canidate is worth a damn! Frankly, I execrise my right not to vote. The way I see it, I'm not going to choose the lesser of two evils, both of'em can kiss my a$$! And even if I don't vote I still have the right and FREEDOM to complain. Being an ex sheriff I would expect you to know that...then again maybe not.
Quote from: flo on October 26, 2011, 09:21:17 AM
I only have one comment to make and then I'll check out. If there is no deputy on duty at night in Elk County, then why do I hear them on the scanner at all the wee hours?
Damned if I know. All I know is that when my wife at the time needed them they weren't there!
Also, if you're going to accuse somone of lying just come out with it.
QuoteI have made calls to the sheriff's office twice since moving to Howard and both times I had a response within 10 minutes. Sorry, maybe when you call it takes a few minutes to get to your house.
Of course, you live in HOWARD. A few minutes I can understand, but not an hour.
QuoteNo way is everyone gonna be satisfied with law enforcement, regardless of the city, county or state. Remember, just like our President, the sheriff is in office because the citizens of Elk County wanted him there, so you can blame yourself and if you don't live in Elk County, then you have no business running any employee of the county down. PERIOD
I didn't vote for him, so I accept no blame in his being sheriff. And anyone can say what they like about an elected offical regardless of geographic location. In case you haven't noticed this is AMERICA, and we do have the right to free speech.
But you have a good evening....comrade!
Quote from: Varmit on October 28, 2011, 05:09:59 PM
And even if I don't vote I still have the right and FREEDOM to complain. Being an ex sheriff I would expect you to know that...then again maybe not.
Varmit, of course you are right. The Constitution of the United States give us that right. The part about not voting, so don't complain is just something I say to irritate the crap out of people and it worked. LOL
Varmit, what do you call someone who flies the American flag upside down?
I don't know what Varmit will say ,but around here it would be either someone in serious trouble wanting help or someone being hugely in-your- face disrespectful.
Quote from: Wilma on October 28, 2011, 06:19:28 PM
Varmit, what do you call someone who flies the American flag upside down?
A Patriot
I am surprised that people who claim to be patriotic can show disrespect to our flag and other people, who also claim to be patriotic, approve of it.
Quote from: Wilma on October 28, 2011, 08:45:52 PM
I am surprised that people who claim to be patriotic can show disrespect to our flag and other people, who also claim to be patriotic, approve of it.
The upside down U.S. flag is an official signal of distress. It is not meant to be, and is not officially recognized as any type of disrespect when so displayed for the right reasons. To the contrary, here is the relevant part of the US Code of Laws regarding how to fly the flag when in distress:
THE FLAG CODE
Title 36, U.S.C., Chapter 10
As amended by P.L. 344, 94th Congress
Approved July 7, 1976
§ 176. Respect for flag: No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
Most individuals who have served in the military service of our nation will (or should) recognize this signal.
As a result of the many traitors and enemies we as a free people have, both foreign and domestic, as a result of the many unconstitutional acts, legislation and atrocities passed and/or committed against US citizens and their life, liberty and property, and as a result of policies that have allowed (and continue to allow) enemies of this nation to enter in large numbers through a porous border policy, I believe the life, liberty and property of US Citizens are in dire danger and distress.
IF you think this country is not in distress you've got your head buried in the sand OR you are a part of the problem
This country might be in distress, but do you think that flying the flag upside down will be of any help?
Quote from: Wilma on October 29, 2011, 12:30:32 PM
This country might be in distress, but do you think that flying the flag upside down will be of any help?
It doesn't hurt. If it draws attention to the state of the country it does help
And just who do you think is stupid enough to not know what condition our country is in by this time? If the people who care don't know what is going on by now, they are never going to know. And the people who don't care, all the flags in the country flying upside down is not going to make them care.
Excuse me, but the sight of our flag upside down is offensive to me when it is not a signal for someone who is in distress and needing immediate help to survive. And don't tell me that that is the situation with the U.S. Telling me again is not going to change my mind about what is disrespect of our flag.
Quote from: Wilma on October 29, 2011, 06:16:04 PM
And just who do you think is stupid enough to not know what condition our country is in by this time? If the people who care don't know what is going on by now, they are never going to know. And the people who don't care, all the flags in the country flying upside down is not going to make them care.
Excuse me, but the sight of our flag upside down is offensive to me when it is not a signal for someone who is in distress and needing immediate help to survive. And don't tell me that that is the situation with the U.S. Telling me again is not going to change my mind about what is disrespect of our flag.
Whatever. Your opinion. Its offensive to me the fact that 47% are sucking the lifeblood out of this nation. Much more relevant than being offended when someone signals distress over the nations condition. Oh and 47% of the population ARE Stupid enough to not know what condition it is in. They are the ones constantly sucking the other 53% dry.
And you think that by flying our flag upside down that they are going to sit up and take notice?
Well, with the President that we have, our country is in distress. I think Varmit shoes the flag upside down because of where he works. LOL Just kidding.
Quote from: Wilma on October 29, 2011, 08:20:01 PM
And you think that by flying our flag upside down that they are going to sit up and take notice?
Maybe, do you think sitting on ones butt and doing nothing at all is going to fix things? At least its something.
The only people that can change things are in Washington D.C. and if they don't know by now that their constitutents want a change, someone way out here, flying the American flag upside down isn't going to get their attention. I still say that showing the flag in that position when there is no one needing immediate assistance is disrespectful to our flag. Doesn't it place them somewhat in the same place as the church in Topeka that allows it's congregation to appear wearing the flag as a trailing skirt and lets their child wipe his feet on it?
Quote from: Wilma on October 30, 2011, 09:10:51 AM
The only people that can change things are in Washington D.C. and if they don't know by now that their constitutents want a change, someone way out here, flying the American flag upside down isn't going to get their attention.
Two words... Tea Party. Made a definate impact. OH and it didn't happen in washington either.
Quote from: jarhead on October 21, 2011, 08:04:49 PM
Quote from Janet:
I just asked a person on the EMS service and I was told that the sheriff's office does not go to the EMS calls.
Janet, when did this start ? Wasn't very long ago we had a medical emergency here in Longton and Deputy Dan was on location in minutes of getting the call and stayed the half hour or so until an ambulance got here .
Well, I wish I would've gotten the same consideration last Monday night when I had to call 911 because I thought my mom was having a stroke! It took 4 rings to get through to the sheriff's office and then 40 minutes later the ambulance showed up and went to the wrong place! I know for a fact that one of the sheriff's officers here in Longton was at home and we have 2 sheriff's officers, the reservists AND a city cop; but NOT ONE PERSON showed up to help Robert and I with my mother who was having seizures and was really freaking me out! Then to top it all off, when the ambulance did finally show up and get to the right place, one of the EMT's didn't think she was bad enough to go to Bartlesville (where all her doctors are and she has stage IV cancer) but would take her to Independence "if" she wanted to go. I said she was going to a hospital and if they wouldn't take her, we would drive her but I didn't really want her having more seizures on the way down there and us not know what to do! Long story short, they took her to Indy (and after they loaded her in the ambulance she started having another seizure!) and she is STILL there because of the seizures and a blockage from the CANCER! EMT's are NOT doctors so they really shouldn't try to decide that someone's underlying condition isn't responsible for what is happening to them at the moment. I will be making formal complaints over this! It has taken me almost a week to get over my initial anger and be able to post this and trust me, I'm still far from being "ok" with any of it!----Jennifer L. Walker
Sad state of affairs, Jenifer! First responders? Hmmmm. It all starts with attitude.
We'll say a prayer for your mom.
Jennifer, I'm so sorry you had a problem with your ambulance service. All EMT's ride and treat on a doctor's license, so you should have no trouble making a complaint. Our rule is that that patient should go to the nearest "appropriate" hospital for the problem. They should have been able to contact a control doc at the hospital for instructions in her case. I take it there were no paramedics, just EMTs? Is your mom a DNR? I'm assuming she is not. Living so far away from everything does present a problem when things go badly and there is so little we can do for cases like that while in route.There is no easy answer. I do hope she is doing better.
I don't know who responded to this call, but I do know that there is at least one paramedic with the group. Forty minutes is quite a long time to wait for help, but you have to consider what is involved in responding to a call in the Longton area. First, Longton is at least 15 miles from Howard where the ambulances are stationed. Next, it probably takes five minutes from the time the call is received at the Sheriff's office for the dispatcher to contact the proper responders. In this case it would be the EMS. Elk County does not have 24 hour around the clock people stationed at the ambulance garage. The call would be made to whoever is on duty at the time and they might have to change into the proper clothes. Another ten minutes. Then the trip to get to the ambulance and get it on the road. Another five minutes. Twenty minutes already from the time the call came into the sheriff's office. Another 20 minutes to make the run to Longton. Seems reasonable but the people who are waiting are going through all kinds of hell because a loved one's life is at stake.
The solution to this would be to have a first responder in Longton, who could be there in a matter of minutes and at the least, relieve some of the anxiety. I think it is a State thing that the patient be taken to the nearest facility capable of handling the situation. In this case, it would be Independence. Then from there the patient would be transferred to maybe the hospital of their choice.
In the case of the heart attack I had while here in Howard nine years ago, it didn't take long for the ambulance to get here. There was a paramedic and an EMT on board and a deputy showed up at the same time. The sheriff was already here as she was the one that called the ambulance when she saw that her mommy was having a heart attack. They took me to Eureka and after several hours took me on to the hospital that I chose in Wichita. At that time, I could find no complaint about the service. They even waited in Eureka until the decision was made and arrangements were made in Wichita, then they took me on over there.
IF I have ambulance come for me i tell them the hospital they will take me to. IF they refuse i'll get out of there and drive myself.
We have state and national standards here we adhere to. We have only four minutes to hit the street in the ambulance. Paramedics ,if needed, arrive in a separate vehicle. We too usually go to the closest "appropriate" hospital, but we do work with the patient's and family's wishes as much as is possible. We can always get a control Doc by radio or cell phone and discuss the situation with them. Illnesses are always the hardest because we are limited as to what we can do to help prehospital, and not all hospitals can handle everything. It can be a very frustrating time on everyone, especially when long distances are involved.
Quote from: Wilma on October 28, 2011, 06:19:28 PM
Varmit, what do you call someone who flies the American flag upside down?
Someone that is in tuned with what is happening to our country! In case you didn't know flying the flag upside down is a recognized symbol of distress. I show it that way as a means of political protest. As is my RIGHT as an AMERICAN! Wheter it offends you or not is of absolutely no matter to me what so ever. If I want to fly it upside down, burn it, use it as a floormat, or wipe my ass with it, that is MY RIGHT. I served 6 years in the Army defending our constitution and the rights that are contained therein, so I shall be damned if some crippled shut in without the guts to stand up to tyranny in any shape or form is going to tell me how to execrise my rights.
What is offensive is people like you that say "yes there is something wrong but we the people are powerless to change it. Thats up to the folks in washington." Shame on you!
Quite frankly our flag should only have 13 stars and criss-crossed bars. THe colors shouldn't be red, white, and blue, rather they should be Gray and Red!
Frankly, I'd like to see a nice big serving of decency and responsibility served up with those "rights."
It is quite clear the Varmit is not quite clear on what is decent and right. Also, he is very angry. About what, I do not know. Maybe because he was criticized for something that appears to be disrespectful to our flag? Of course, he has the right to fly the flag however he wants and if I am offended by it, that is my problem. But you have to remember that when I first learned the Flag Salute, it was given with the right hand at the brow and the words, "Under God" was not a part of it. I learned it during World II when patriotism was at it's highest, when most of our young men were fighting hand to hand to keep our country from the tyranny that had fallen upon other countries. My values as to my country are so ingrained that they will never change, nor will I ever do anything that even appears to be disrespectful.
As to changing things, is there another way according to our almighty constitution and Bill of Rights? What would you suggest? And be careful with your answer. It is easy to cross over to talking about overthrowing the government, which is a crime. I can't think of the word for it right now, but some of the posts made on this forum have come awfully close to it. So what? You do have freedom of speech, don't you? That is until you start talking about overthrowing the government, taking over the White House, doing away with government officials. There are laws as to how this can be done and they can be exercised every time an election comes up.
Varmit, how do you know that I am sitting here doing nothing, accepting everything that is? Just because I don't spout it all over the forum doesn't mean that I am not doing anything about it. There are other ways.
Could you say that some of your values are socialistic or not?
Patriotism might have been high but I fail to see any correlation of the Pledge of Allegiance to patriotism.
We had patriotism when this country was founded which was long before the socialist Bellamy invented the
socialist Pledge for you to recite. It's another form of indoctrination and it's contrary to the intent of the founding fathers.
Quote from: Wilma on November 03, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
As to changing things, is there another way according to our almighty constitution and Bill of Rights? What would you suggest? And be careful with your answer. It is easy to cross over to talking about overthrowing the government, which is a crime. I can't think of the word for it right now, but some of the posts made on this forum have come awfully close to it. So what? You do have freedom of speech, don't you? That is until you start talking about overthrowing the government, taking over the White House, doing away with government officials. There are laws as to how this can be done and they can be exercised every time an election comes up.
...Just because I don't spout it all over the forum doesn't mean that I am not doing anything about it. There are other ways.
Excerpt from The Declaration of Independence:
--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. There was much bloodshed and what many called indecent, wrong & disrespect as a result of that document. Writing postcards to the King of England was not the answer. I've never heard Varmit advocate the violent overthrow of our government. I have seen him express clearly some of the abuses of power and discuss open methods of calling attention to those abuses and their effects. Perhaps you should find your voice as well. I suspect your WWII peers would applaud you.
Amen.
FYI, Fred Phelps files the flag upside down along with a fly from China!!!!!!
Quote from: Wilma on November 03, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
It is quite clear the Varmit is not quite clear on what is decent and right. Also, he is very angry. About what, I do not know. Maybe because he was criticized for something that appears to be disrespectful to our flag? Of course, he has the right to fly the flag however he wants and if I am offended by it, that is my problem. But you have to remember that when I first learned the Flag Salute, it was given with the right hand at the brow and the words, "Under God" was not a part of it. I learned it during World II when patriotism was at it's highest, when most of our young men were fighting hand to hand to keep our country from the tyranny that had fallen upon other countries. My values as to my country are so ingrained that they will never change, nor will I ever do anything that even appears to be disrespectful.
What has the pledge got to do with patriotism. it is not patriotic to quote a socialist pledge. It is in fact a direct attack on what our country was founded on.
QuoteAs to changing things, is there another way according to our almighty constitution and Bill of Rights? What would you suggest? And be careful with your answer. It is easy to cross over to talking about overthrowing the government, which is a crime. I can't think of the word for it right now, but some of the posts made on this forum have come awfully close to it. So what? You do have freedom of speech, don't you? That is until you start talking about overthrowing the government, taking over the White House, doing away with government officials. There are laws as to how this can be done and they can be exercised every time an election comes up.
Sure there are laws and processes. But we have one process that cannot be usurped like the others can with vote tampering and fraud. That power is reserved to do what has to be done in that event. It is a viable alternative and one that should not be taken lightly!
I will and in a new york second advocate the overthrow of a totalitarian, corrupt, obscene government that harbors criminals in its structure that have no more respect for the constitution, bill of rights or our declaration of independance than they do for a roll of toilet paper. IF they want to come get me then so be it. It doesn't make a difference to me. I will not lay down and accept what they dish out.
Just what is your definition of patriotism. When you were inducted into the armed forces, did you not take a pledge? Do you remember what that pledge was?
Damn Wilma! It sounds like you've gone off your meds again...You better call a paramedic or maybe just drink a milk of mag hot toddy. Try some prunes and put an extra layer of depends on! ----Mr. KSH
Quote from: Wilma on November 03, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
When you were inducted into the armed forces, did you not take a pledge? Do you remember what that pledge was?
Yes & yes. You can bet your petunias on it. And that oath didn't mention the flag once. The Constitution, yes. 'Lawful' orders, yes. Some flag or other idol, no.
Did you ever take such an oath?
Quote from: Wilma on November 03, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
Just what is your definition of patriotism. When you were inducted into the armed forces, did you not take a pledge? Do you remember what that pledge was?
Pledge to be in the armed services? NOPe never took a pledge. They don't require a pledge. THey do however require a oath (not the pledge) As stated "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. "
Notice to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic. Obama is a enemy and anyone that does anything to attempt to usurp the constitutional authority, no matter what it is is a enemy of this nation.
Quote from: Wilma on November 03, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
Just what is your definition of patriotism. When you were inducted into the armed forces, did you not take a pledge? Do you remember what that pledge was?
Love and devotion to ones country. And yes i remember what the pledge was. It was written by bellamy who was a socialist/communist that hated this country as it was founded. He worked very hard to dismantle the constitution as well as the Republic based on the rule of law into a Socialist mob ruled nation.
He should have been shot or hung one or the other.
Damn SR I took such a pledge that I take seriously today. As I stand I will not resend nor retreat.
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Heaven forbid should I suggest to over throw the Gubberment------------------------BUT------if General James F. Amos was to march into the Oval Office and bitch slap that big eared clown and tell him, "Sir, with all due respect, you are now relieved of duty", I would celebrate by getting drunk'rn a waltzing piss ant !!
Sorry Wilma,I forgot you have no use of anyone who partakes of a little John Barleycorn. ;)
It is not nice to call that clown :big eared:
Quote from: Humpy on November 03, 2011, 08:14:43 PM
It is not nice to call that clown :big eared:
That's right...It's not fair to all other big eared people to compare him that way....LOL
You are right Humpy. Maybe" hearing enhancing extremities" sounds better---but---an extremity is like an arm, leg or even a wing---why hells bells---with ears that big if he flapped them like wings--------------OK, OK, I'll quit while I'm ahead .
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Gosh, Mother. You sure have irritated people today. LOL
Yeah, fun isn't it?
Quote from: Wilma on November 03, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
It is quite clear the Varmit is not quite clear on what is decent and right.
How is limiting a persons right to free speech or the press decent and right? You accuse me of not honoring the oath I took when I enlisted, when you have no idea what that oath is. Tell me how that is decent and right?
QuoteAlso, he is very angry. About what, I do not know.
Then allow me to educate you. I am angry at people like you, espcially those of your generation that allowed our country to become the mess that it is today. You all stand and say "WWII was the most patriotic time ever!" What a load of Bullsh$#. You were such a patriot that you allowed all people of all colors and creeds to enjoy the freedoms and rights in the Constitution...oh wait, no you didn't. But ya'll did honor the spirit and letter of the Constitution by not allowing our government to overstep their bounds...oh wait NO YOU DIDN'T.
Quote from: Varmit on November 08, 2011, 06:13:35 PM
Then allow me to educate you. I am angry at people like you, espcially those of your generation that allowed our country to become the mess that it is today. You all stand and say "WWII was the most patriotic time ever!" What a load of Bullsh$#. You were such a patriot that you allowed all people of all colors and creeds to enjoy the freedoms and rights in the Constitution...oh wait, no you didn't. But ya'll did honor the spirit and letter of the Constitution by not allowing our government to overstep their bounds...oh wait NO YOU DIDN'T.
He's got a point there Wilma. A very VALID Point. Even my Grandfather who was from that period said that his generation fubar'd this country's future by putting that communist rooseveldt in office.
Quote from: Wilma on November 03, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
Of course, he has the right to fly the flag however he wants and if I am offended by it, that is my problem. But you have to remember that when I first learned the Flag Salute, it was given with the right hand at the brow and the words, "Under God" was not a part of it. I learned it during World II when patriotism was at it's highest, when most of our young men were fighting hand to hand to keep our country from the tyranny that had fallen upon other countries. My values as to my country are so ingrained that they will never change, nor will I ever do anything that even appears to be disrespectful.
You have to remember that when I learned the "Flag Salute" aka the Pledge of Allegiance, I was also learning to question everything, espcially those in authority. Not just accept things because those in positions of authority said to.
Your values are so skewered you couldn't straighten them with a crowbar and a level. Disrespectful?? How about putting limits on the very rights and freedoms all those young men died for.
QuoteAs to changing things, is there another way according to our almighty constitution and Bill of Rights? What would you suggest? And be careful with your answer. It is easy to cross over to talking about overthrowing the government, which is a crime. I can't think of the word for it right now, but some of the posts made on this forum have come awfully close to it. So what? You do have freedom of speech, don't you? That is until you start talking about overthrowing the government, taking over the White House, doing away with government officials. There are laws as to how this can be done and they can be exercised every time an election comes up.
If overthrowing the gov't becomes nessecary to protect our rights, thats what we have the 2nd admendment for. Voting has been shown to change absolutely nothing.
QuoteVarmit, how do you know that I am sitting here doing nothing, accepting everything that is? Just because I don't spout it all over the forum doesn't mean that I am not doing anything about it. There are other ways.
Because you said so yourself on many occasions. That you are to disabled to do anything that requires you leaving your house.
I am physically disabled, not mentally. Not everything can be settled by physical force.