It isn't astonishing at all to see the view of the State Department change now that the "bitch-witch of Ar-kansas" is in charge, even though one of the tenets of US foreign policy is constancy across administrations. (But I can't put the full blame on her. I have a number of friends who have to work with her and at the same time cannot stand her. The woman was born RUDE. But that's another story.) I left in the late nineties and State was starting to get very wierd. I have to say that Jimmy Carter in '79 and later, Al Haig brought in the "really wierd." Then 9/11 happened, and that sent abacus beads slamming over to the opposite side with ear-splitting clatter. Bang, towers fall, planes rain from the sky, and suddenly it's a different world with different priorities from Dept. of State.... I was gone by then. What came before 9/11 is, well, history. Glad to be gone.
Now this from Fox: "While the New Mexico-born cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, is the first American on the CIA's kill or capture list, the U.S. State Department refuses to release documents about al-Awlaki citing his right to privacy."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/26/state-department-dont-invade-privacy-cleric-on-cia-kill-list/#ixzz1WC5CHl7P
I am so sick on how the the security of this nation is going. They should have locked up this clown Anwar al-Awlaki when they had a chance on passport fraud after 9/11. Now look at him. The cure: Get rid of the democrats: Obama, Holder, Hillary, Napolitano and her Department of Homeland Security...get rid of it, scrap it.... to military leaders who have almost zero combat experience to risk-averse, politically correct strategic decision-making and there are many....and pinpoint the dire problems that need to be fixed before it's too late (which it nearly is). Offering real solutions that most politicians and pundits are too timid to talk about.
Shit... I'm pissed!
Perhaps an underwear change would help? :angel:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2011, 09:46:29 PM
Perhaps an underwear change would help? :angel:
What the hell does that mean? You evidently don't have a problem with the way the democrats are treating our security here at home in America?
No.no,no. You missed my silly joke. :'( Look at your last two words! Oh, never mind. I guess maybe you don't have a sense of humor after all, you just think other people should and then bristle at them? I guess we can only laugh when you make one. Never mind already. sheesh! :(
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2011, 09:46:29 PM
Perhaps an underwear change would help? :angel:
What? Two underwear references on 2 threads in 2 days. Get that fetish checked. Sick puppy.
Quote from: Warph on August 26, 2011, 10:09:07 PM
What the hell does that mean? You evidently don't have a problem with the way the democrats are treating our security here at home in America?
No she doesn't. But I was going to say you can bet your passport she'll have "the answers" for those of us that are concerned.
Liberals... sheesh.
Diane is no more a liberal than I am...But it is easy to be labeled as such, by rightwing loonies...
Warph...As far as I'm concerned, people like that cleric have no rights. Period. If you present a possible threat to the stability of my country, you don't get to have the same rights as the rest of us who work every day to better this country and its outlook.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 27, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
Diane is no more a liberal than I am...But it is easy to be labeled as such, from rightwing loonies...
This from someone who has busily tried to shut down expression on at least one other forum thread for weeks (in the background as well as in the foreground). OK, I'll bite. If not liberal Fabian socialist, then what? Perhaps there's a better model.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 27, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
Diane is no more a liberal than I am...But it is easy to be labeled as such, by rightwing loonies...
Warph...As far as I'm concerned, people like that cleric have no rights. Period. If you present a possible threat to the stability of my country, you don't get to have the same rights as the rest of us who work every day to better this country and its outlook.
I agree yall are just Progressive aren't ya!
Quote from: srkruzich on August 27, 2011, 05:50:31 PM
I agree yall are just Progressive aren't ya!
Zzzooooooooommmm! LMAO
Actually they are tax-payin employed AMERICANS who just dont agree with YOU.
Why dont you two give it a rest..........
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
No.no,no. You missed my silly joke. :'( Look at your last two words! Oh, never mind. I guess maybe you don't have a sense of humor after all, you just think other people should and them bristle at them? I guess we can only laugh when you make one. Never mind already. sheesh! :(
Sorry, Diane... I took it the wrong way. I put in a lot of years with State and hate to see it crumble like it has the past two plus years . This article really teed me off.... besides, Slappy beat me three straight in shuffleboard and I lost three beers to him. Excuse me now while I go change my pants! :-[
Warph, I can understand your feelings. I worked for the Los Angeles Times most of my life and it was a great place to work. Family owned and operated.....took good care of the employees.........etc. Then when the Tribune bought it, it all started downhill fast. It is a sick feeling to see a great corporation like that lay down and die. I was glad to leave when I did. I feel sorry for those who have been there for many years, but have not reached retirement age yet. It's like hanging by the fingernails.
While you are changing your clothes, be sure and shake all that dust out of them also. Kudos to Slappy.
Larryj
Quote from: Catwoman on August 27, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
Diane is no more a liberal than I am...But it is easy to be labeled as such, by rightwing loonies...
Warph...As far as I'm concerned, people like that cleric have no rights. Period. If you present a possible threat to the stability of my country, you don't get to have the same rights as the rest of us who work every day to better this country and its outlook.
The guy is an american citizen, like it or not. The constitution say he has certain inalienable rights. That inalienable means you can't take them away. It says those rights are given by God. Once you violate the constitutional rights of a single individual, you are giving the government authority to violate everyone else's. Its not a far reach to start declaring people on the far right as "domestic terrorists" and then start killing them. As much as I disagree with the right wing wackos, I would still stand up for their rights.
Quote from: Anmar on September 02, 2011, 11:21:10 AM
The guy is an american citizen, like it or not. The constitution say he has certain inalienable rights. That inalienable means you can't take them away. It says those rights are given by God. Once you violate the constitutional rights of a single individual, you are giving the government authority to violate everyone else's. Its not a far reach to start declaring people on the far right as "domestic terrorists" and then start killing them. As much as I disagree with the right wing wackos, I would still stand up for their rights.
What inalienable rights are being violated? IF he is accused of a crime, then he has to stand trial. In order to stand trial we have to arrest him and make him appear in court. IF he doesn't want to stand trial then we force him and if he won't be taken by reasonable measures to contain him, then he dies. Thats not a violation of the constitution thats the process in bringing a accused to trial.
BTW Article 3 i think addresses this specific issue. IF a citizen is accused of treason and flees to another state, then he is to be given up by that state and brought back for trial. IF the accused refuses to go, force is used. Shrug. if he dies then that is his choice
Quote from: srkruzich on September 02, 2011, 01:01:44 PM
What inalienable rights are being violated? IF he is accused of a crime, then he has to stand trial. In order to stand trial we have to arrest him and make him appear in court. IF he doesn't want to stand trial then we force him and if he won't be taken by reasonable measures to contain him, then he dies. Thats not a violation of the constitution thats the process in bringing a accused to trial.
Steve, This is actually the process that should be followed. The problem is that he's being targeted for assassination, not arrest. Thats why they call it the CIA kill list, not the CIA, arrest and bring to america for trial list.
Here's a question, why do you think OBL was executed instead of brought here for a trial? According to all accounts, he was unarmed and wasn't resisting.
Quote from: Anmar on September 02, 2011, 02:43:36 PM
Steve, This is actually the process that should be followed. The problem is that he's being targeted for assassination, not arrest. Thats why they call it the CIA kill list, not the CIA, arrest and bring to america for trial list.
Here's a question, why do you think OBL was executed instead of brought here for a trial? According to all accounts, he was unarmed and wasn't resisting.
BECAUSE that wasn't osama that was executed!
Quote from: srkruzich on September 02, 2011, 08:00:34 PM
BECAUSE that wasn't osama that was executed!
could be true. I don't really know, I don't think any of us will ever really know for sure. Bottom line is that this course of action sets a very dangerous precedent.
Quote from: Anmar on September 06, 2011, 09:26:19 PM
could be true. I don't really know, I don't think any of us will ever really know for sure. Bottom line is that this course of action sets a very dangerous precedent.
Osama was on dialysis back on 9/11. You don't live 10 years in a cave on dialysis.
Quote from: srkruzich on September 06, 2011, 09:29:25 PM
Osama was on dialysis back on 9/11. You don't live 10 years in a cave on dialysis.
Seal team six killed Osama. He didn't live in a cave. He was in semi plain sight protected by Pakistan. He won't be on the scene again. He is dead an gone that is all that matters now.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 06, 2011, 10:52:52 PM
Seal team six killed Osama. He didn't live in a cave. He was in semi plain sight protected by Pakistan. He won't be on the scene again. He is dead an gone that is all that matters now.
David
Uh huh righhhht! Thats what they say. No proof though.
Steve, I'm just curious. Why were you willing to believe the kidney dialysis story, but not the Seal Team 6 story? Besides,kidney dialysis is not just for permanent chronic kidney failure. It can be used temporarily in case of injuries, poisonings and infections which can cause acute kidney failure.
I say kill the SOB .The CIA will do it out of the country, and the Treasury Department special ops will do it here.
Just get er done .
Quote from: Humpy on September 07, 2011, 02:23:44 PM
I say kill the SOB .The CIA will do it out of the country, and the Treasury Department special ops will do it here.
Just get er done .
I'm confused, Humpy... you mean, kill him again? Is that possible?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 07, 2011, 12:10:40 PM
Steve, I'm just curious. Why were you willing to believe the kidney dialysis story, but not the Seal Team 6 story? Besides,kidney dialysis is not just for permanent chronic kidney failure. It can be used temporarily in case of injuries, poisonings and infections which can cause acute kidney failure.
I believe the seal 6 team killed SOMEONE. but not osama. Ya notice how quickly seal 6 team got killed afterwards too in a National guard helicopter and not their own helicopter.
Seal Team 6 and(DEVGRU- ACE) is a bigger outfit than you give them credit for. According to a very reliable source of mine, none of the people in the Bin Laden operation were on the helicopter that went down.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 07, 2011, 06:17:03 PM
Seal Team 6 and(DEVGRU- ACE) is a bigger outfit than you give them credit for. According to a very reliable source of mine, none of the people in the Bin Laden operation were on the helicopter that went down.
I never said they were!
I too have reliable resources in the seals. Secondly why were the seals on a National guard helo? THey have their own equipment which is top notch! Third how is it that they could take down a helo wiith the weapons used? Only way is to catch them in mass and force and to do that, they would have to have intel. Sorry but still do not believe that osama was killed. Never have. He's dead but he wasn't killed by us.
Quote from: Warph on September 07, 2011, 02:43:04 PM
I'm confused, Humpy... you mean, kill him again? Is that possible?
No no depending on where he is found. Killing him twice is an interesting thought though.
IF they actually killed osama, then why not prove it with the photograph evidence. They won't so it isn't a fact. The only reason to not show the photographic evidence, AT THE TIME IT WAS CARRIED OUT, is that Osama was not the target. Someone else was killed and dumped into the ocean.
Photographs now won't cut it, too much time to photoshop it.
BTW if you actually believe that they did DNA testing on the body and did it in less than 12 hours, then you must be the most gullible person on the face of the earth.
"When President Barack Obama made his dramatic Sunday night announcement that U.S. forces had located and killed Osama bin Laden inside Pakistan, one of the first questions many asked was: How could U.S. officials be so sure it was really bin Laden?
The answer came quickly. While the body was identified through photos and by bin Laden's wife, it was also the seemingly incontrovertible proof of DNA that gave officials such ironclad confidence in the dead man's identity. "Now, we can say with 99.9 percent confidence that this was bin Laden," John Brennan, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, said Monday. So why not complete confidence? While the body recovered from Pakistan is almost certainly bin Laden, a 100 percent identification is tougher than one might think.
It's true that DNA analysis that once required days or weeks can now be performed in less than 24 hours, particularly in high-profile cases such as this one. The process of extracting and purifying the DNA can be done in as little as a half-hour; then experts require a few hours to amplify, analyze and match it. The biggest piece of equipment needed is a genetic analyzer, a desk-size apparatus that weighs a couple hundred pounds (which could well explain why bin Laden's body had to be transported back to Afghanistan for identification).
Dan Krane, a professor of genetics and a DNA expert at Wright State University in Ohio, says modern-day rapid DNA tests can look at short tandem repeat sequences in the DNA. Tests that analyze these are indeed incredibly accurate, he says. The more closely related two people are, the more repeated patterns they will share."
Read more: Osama Bin Laden Dead - Accuracy of DNA Testing - Popular Mechanics http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/forensics/osama-bin-ladens-dna-how-sure-is-ninety-nine-point-nine-percent-sure-5680593
Four Questions After the Death of Osama Bin Laden
The rejoicing surrounding the killing of Osama bin Laden this weekend is widespread, and justified. The long survival of the mass murderer and terrorist leader was a symbol of the limits of America's reach—and his death at the hands of a clandestine team of American special forces demonstrates that U.S. foreign policymakers do not easily forgive their sworn enemies. But amid the cheering, chanting and applause, serious questions must be asked about the future of the nation's anti-terrorism campaign. America's security is not defined by the death of a single man, no matter who he is. Here are four key questions for policy makers:
Read more: Osama Bin Laden Dead - Al Qaida Abbottabad Pakistan - Popular Mechanics http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4-questions-after-the-death-of-osama-bin-laden-5676204
Steve ,Osama is dead. End of story.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 08, 2011, 09:43:52 PM
Steve ,Osama is dead. End of story.
Unlike you I am not naive enough to believe 1 word that obama and this corrupt administration says. First of all he's a Marxist that practices saul alinsky rules. Secondly i don't give a rats ass who your "reliable sources" are, they are not stupid enough to tell you the truth. Their lives hang in the balance of keeping what they know a secret.
Last of all, it is not the end, the end only comes when the proof is presented for evaluation OF WHICH it has not. There is no body to see, nor is there any photographic evidence that can be verified as original or unaltered. Until the proof aka body is presented, then he was not killed by team 6.
FURTHERMORE, your Reliable source is in violation of Military code of justice if they are in the military by even talking to you about it! The source i know wouldn't comment either way and told me why. Its classified top secret and they have been in structed to not make any comment to verify or deny anything that went on. So i call either bullshit on your source, or your source is a criminal by violating the top secret order.
You can call bull all you want. I'm used to it, as are my sources. Believing its all bull is actually a good thing. ( And what's YOUR security clearance? ;))
By the way, since you chose to continue this thought, you actually did say Seal Team 6 was killed. Go back and look at what you actually said. Not some, not others, Seal Team 6.( reply# 27) You guys love to pick apart every word I say, line by line. There's one for you to look at. :police: Frustrating ain't it? ;D ;D ;D
By MARTHA RADDATZ (@martharaddatz) , LUIS MARTINEZ (@LMartinezABC) and MIKE BOETTCHER
Aug. 6, 2011
A helicopter was shot down today by Afghan insurgents as it was rushing to aid troops in a firefight, killing 30 Americans, including 22 Navy SEALs, most of whom belonged to Team 6, the unit whose members were involved in the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, U.S. officials said.
The Chinook helicopter was carrying a quick-reaction force to provide back-up to the troops on the ground in the eastern Afghan province of Wardak, a U.S. official said. After the crash, the forces that were involved in the firefight "broke contact" with the enemy so they could go provide perimeter security for the crash site, the official said.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2011, 12:05:45 PM
You can call bull all you want. I'm used to it, as are my sources. Believing its all bull is actually a good thing. ( And what's YOUR security clearance? ;))
By the way, since you chose to continue this thought, you actually did say Seal Team 6 was killed. Go back and look at what you actually said. Not some, not others, Seal Team 6.( reply# 27) You guys love to pick apart every word I say, line by line. There's one for you to look at. :police: Frustrating ain't it? ;D ;D ;D
Not at all and it was seal team 6 members that was killed. go look it up. Secondly you knew as well as I do and everyone else that the members that went in and killed whoever was in that compound weren't killed because it was reported. Third, again, wheres the proof osama was killed. They haven't offered any. And DNA don't count cause the testing was done by those in charge, again no accountability from
osama obama.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0809/SEAL-Team-Six-Obama-honors-troops-killed-in-helicopter-crash
Washington
It is as sobering a duty as any for the commander in chief: bearing witness to the return of fallen servicemembers' remains at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.
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On Tuesday, President Obama cleared his schedule and made the 40-minute helicopter flight to Dover, where the remains of 30 servicemen – including 22 members of the elite Navy SEALs – were brought from Afghanistan. The men died Saturday when their Chinook helicopter was shot down by insurgents in the Tangi Valley of eastern Afghanistan. It was the deadliest day for US forces in the 10-year war.
SEAL TEAM 6 Doesn't fly in chinooks! They use Modified MH-60 blackhawks. They have the pick of equipment to use, and there wouldn't be a chance in hell that they would pick a chinook helo over a MH-60. Not a chance. Someone ordered them into that chinook.
Last of all, my source was in somalia one of the DEVGRU that actually made it out alive. He was there evacing the embassy, then going in after some wounded. Came back and trained DEVGRU members since he is unable to go back into battle. He gave my son some equipment to use in iraq when my son graduated from boot camp. We are pretty close and yes he said no one can talk about it. So like i said if your source is talking about it their breaking federal law or full of shit one or the other. I don't think anyone would risk their freedom much less their career in that manner.
Steve, I don't have to prove anything.
Before I say anything else, go back and read ALL of the Christian Science Monitor article YOU posted. It states very plainly that none of the Seal Team 6 members that died in the helicopter that was shot down were involved in the Osama attack. Same unit, different people.
Remember, sadly all the bodies come here.
KS ,same deal....There is a Seal Team 6, just as there is a Seal Team 5 and a Seal Team 2.That has nothing to do with the number of people in the unit. Same unit, but different people. As far as what helicopter they were in and why, I have no idea and it didn't matter to me so I didn't check.
Guess the debate over whacking ol Anwar al Awlaki should come to an end. He's dead like a squashed cock-a-roach that he was.
Quote from: jarhead on September 30, 2011, 02:13:22 PM
Guess the debate over whacking ol Anwar al Awlaki should come to an end. He's dead like a squashed cock-a-roach that he was.
Yep... good riddence... dead but not forgotten. You can expect retaliations coming down the rode for his and American Samir Khan's demise.
Al qaeda: Dead, Captured and WantedFrom CNN: http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/10/dead-captured-and-wanted/?hpt=hp_t1
Update September 30, 2011] With the reports of the death of American-born Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, take a look back at some of the dead, captured and remaining most wanted terrorists from the last 10 years.[Original post] Ten years after the devastating attacks on America, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta recently said the U.S is "within reach of strategically defeating al-Qaeda." His comments came following the successful joint U.S. intelligence and military operation in May that led to the death of number one terrorist Osama Bin Laden, and the intensified effort over the past several years to wipe out senior al Qaeda operatives through drone missile strikes. "I do believe that if we continue this effort that we can really cripple al-Qaeda as a threat to this country," maintained Panetta.
Although there have been some impressive gains in wiping out the terrorist leadership through both capture and killing, there are still a significant number of names on the most wanted list.
CNN spoke with a number of intelligence agencies to come up with a list of the dirty dozens: the 12 most significant terrorists who are now dead, have been captured and those who are still being hunted. The lists are obviously subjective–there are many more candidates–but these are some of the top combatants in the war on terror.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/10/dead-captured-and-wanted/?hpt=hp_t1
Oh, BTW, the whole war after 9\11 should have involved drones, predators, CIA, DEVGRU-Seal Team Six etc and not the regular troops on the ground. You can't fight a terrorist war with legal troops. It just kills a bunch of young kids and makes for the longest war in our history. I just saw a program on Ronald Reagan from the Miller Center. He knew the way to use military force and not get into a prolonged war.
David
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Oh, BTW, the whole war after 9\11 should have involved drones, predators, CIA, DEVGRU-Seal Team Six etc and not the regular troops on the ground. You can't fight a terrorist war with legal troops.
So General Sodbuster, please tell me why the plain ol grunts(regular troops ) are not capable of fighting terrorists. Please tell us when and where you got your expertise in any military matter---and we will not counting the Sgt Rock comic books. Just because Seal Team -6 got the honor and privilege of busting a cap in OBL's ass , don't forget some of the most covert operations are being carried out by the Air Force's special force units --The Army Green Berets & Rangers, and I think maybe the Force Recon Marines get to have a little fun on occasion.
On second thought you don't have to answer any questions I might ask because I don't believe a single word that comes out of your pie hole. You yourself told me not to.
Quote from Sodbuster
Plus, you left out the quote where I told you not to believe anything I say here on the forum
Quote from: jarhead on September 30, 2011, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from sodbuster:
Oh, BTW, the whole war after 9\11 should have involved drones, predators, CIA, DEVGRU-Seal Team Six etc and not the regular troops on the ground. You can't fight a terrorist war with legal troops.
So General Sodbuster, please tell me why the plain ol grunts(regular troops ) are not capable of fighting terrorists. Please tell us when and where you got your expertise in any military matter---and we will not counting the Sgt Rock comic books. Just because Seal Team -6 got the honor and privilege of busting a cap in OBL's ass , don't forget some of the most covert operations are being carried out by the On second thought you don't have to answer any questions I might ask because I don't believe a single word that comes out of your pie hole. You yourself told me not to.
Quote from Sodbuster
Plus, you left out the quote where I told you not to believe anything I say here on the forum
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Jarhead my thoughts come from many military minds that have suggested that, that is the way we should have done it. You mention groups that would also, fall under the special units like DEVGRU (Air Force's special force units --The Army Green Berets & Rangers, and I think maybe the Force Recon Marines get to have a little fun on occasion.) Grunts are capable just not necessary. Sorry Jarhead just because you were a grunt in Vietnam and never served after doesn't make you any more of a general than I am. You have been out too long and gotten too fat to ever use your military marine experience as any authority on anything military.
David
Oh but David, I wasn't a General, only a lowly Sergeant,
" not to believe anything I say here on the forum" is still in order here
One more thing Bonehead. Marines is always spelled with a capital "M", seeing as you like to point out other peoples mistakes.
It's OK, you don't have to thank me.
Holy shit, sodbuster... after that statement you better run for the hills. Have you ever heard that saying, "Once a Marine, ALWAYS A MARINE." My brother and my niece's husband, Gunny Pierce would take great offense at that, as I 'm sure Jarhead will. Better start looking over your shoulder. In the meantime, read the following:
http://www.marines.com/?WT.srch=1&WT.mc_id=G_MARINE_CORPS_B#default
Quote from: jarhead on September 30, 2011, 11:51:21 PM
Oh but David, I wasn't a General, only a lowly Sergeant,
" not to believe anything I say here on the forum" is still in order here
One more thing Bonehead. Marines is always spelled with a capital "M", seeing as you like to point out other peoples mistakes.
It's OK, you don't have to thank me.
I was talking to you and you don't deserve a capital M for the kind of marine you are. And you can take that as the truth.
Bonehead aka Sodbuster.
Quote from: Warph on October 01, 2011, 12:03:36 AM
Holy shit, sodbuster... after that statement you better run for the hills. Have you ever heard that saying, "Once a Marine, ALWAYS A MARINE." My brother and my niece's husband, Gunny Pierce would take great offense at that, as I 'm sure Jarhead will. Better start looking over your shoulder. In the meantime, read the following:
http://www.marines.com/?WT.srch=1&WT.mc_id=G_MARINE_CORPS_B#default
Warph, I am familiar with Marines and marines like jarhead. Once a Marine always a Marine. Hoo raa. Jarhead is just a glory seeker and not a marine. Sorry jarhead, if you can dish it out you better be able to take it, a real Marine would.
David
Oh by the way Flo complained that there was no color guard at the festival. From what was said the WWII guys just couldn't do it due to their age. That is understandable. What happened to the younger VFW guys? Sarge, Jarhead, Patriot, Ross, I think you all have touted your military duty. So Jarhead, don't give me any grief about not capitalizing marine when I talk of you.
David
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I was talking to you and you don't deserve a capital M for the kind of marine you are. And you can take that as the truth.
Warph, I am familiar with Marines and marines like jarhead. Once a Marine always a Marine. Hoo raa. Jarhead is just a glory seeker and not a marine. Sorry jarhead, if you can dish it out you better be able to take it, a real Marine would.
David
It's OK WARPH, I think Davy-Boy might have got bitch slapped by a Marine once and ever since ,he kinda has it in for us. I thought I could take it but guess I can't because he said I aint a real Marine so I'm going to hit the rack now and cry myself to sleep. Tomorrow I will burn my discharge and DD-214 because I have been living a lie.
Quote from: jarhead on October 01, 2011, 12:34:56 AM
Quotes from sodbuster:
I was talking to you and you don't deserve a capital M for the kind of marine you are. And you can take that as the truth.
Warph, I am familiar with Marines and marines like jarhead. Once a Marine always a Marine. Hoo raa. Jarhead is just a glory seeker and not a marine. Sorry jarhead, if you can dish it out you better be able to take it, a real Marine would.
David
It's OK WARPH, I think Davy-Boy might have got bitch slapped by a Marine once and ever since ,he kinda has it in for us. I thought I could take it but guess I can't because he said I aint a real Marine so I'm going to hit the rack now and cry myself to sleep. Tomorrow I will burn my discharge and DD-214 because I have been living a lie.
Not Marines jarhead just you. I think you are a glory hog marine not a real Marine. I won't say any more because now it starts to get into just being mean on my part and not replying to your post. Nothing I say about you should be taken as anything about all Marines.
David
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Oh by the way Flo complained that there was no color guard at the festival. From what was said the WWII guys just couldn't do it due to their age. That is understandable. What happened to the younger VFW guys? Sarge, Jarhead, Patriot, Ross, I think you all have touted your military duty. So Jarhead, don't give me any grief about not capitalizing marine when I talk of you.
David
Why would Ross,Patriot, Sarge or me feel qualified to do such honors when we are Nam vets and you said "WW-II are where the real heroes are"?
I would hate to be the one to tell Sgt. Dakota Meyers who was recently awarded the Medal of Honor that he aint a "real hero"
Quote from: jarhead on October 01, 2011, 12:43:50 AM
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Oh by the way Flo complained that there was no color guard at the festival. From what was said the WWII guys just couldn't do it due to their age. That is understandable. What happened to the younger VFW guys? Sarge, Jarhead, Patriot, Ross, I think you all have touted your military duty. So Jarhead, don't give me any grief about not capitalizing marine when I talk of you.
David
Why would Ross,Patriot, Sarge or me feel qualified to do such honors when we are Nam vets and you said "WW-II are where the real heroes are"?
I would hate to be the one to tell Sgt. Dakota Meyers who was recently awarded the Medal of Honor that he aint a "real hero"
You guys are no Sgt. Dakota Meyers either. (Now you are riding on the tail of a modern day hero?) I don't know why didn't you all carry the colors?
David
Ronnie, I THANK YOU for your service. You are a FINE MAN as MANY people know and NOTHING said on this forum will EVER detract from that! Have a good time on your trip this week!----Jennifer
Diane,
Is everything they put on the forum something to joke about. The world is not a fun place right now and making jokes all the time is just inappropiate.
Quote from: Anmar on October 01, 2011, 01:08:15 AM
At any rate, all you lovers of the constitution should be outraged. Oh wait, you're hypocrites.
1. The US is officially at war with a group called al-Qaeda.
2. Anwar al-Aulaqi was a high level operative in one arm of that group. An operative encouraging recruitment of hostile forces from, among other places, within US borders.
3. He conducted his recruitment/incitement operations remotely from outside US borders.
4. As such, he was an enemy combatant (and valid target), regardless of his citizenship. A combatant operating outside the jurisdiction of American law enforcement agencies.
5. He was killed in connection with a military operation.
6. The circumstances of his death were well within the expectations of a military operation.
7. The treasonous SOB is no longer a threat (regardless of his headgear or citizenship). End of story.
Perhaps this would all be more palatable to the pacifist, blame America first crowd if there had been some administrative action to strip his citizenship before he was killed.... Oops! Stuff happens. Was Major Nassan, a US citizen sworn by oath to uphold & defend the constitution, concerned with the rights to due process of those he murdered and wounded at Ft. Hood? No, but he was operating within the jurisdiction of American law enforcement (albeit military law). He's getting his due process.
Give me a break. It's war, grow up.
Quote from: sodbuster on October 01, 2011, 12:06:00 AM
I was talking to you and you don't deserve a capital M for the kind of marine you are. And you can take that as the truth.
Bonehead aka Sodbuster.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 27, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
Back From Lake Tahoe today. Had a great time... I think I will be going back in mid October for a men only trip.
Soddy... Don't you have some packing to do?
Jane, what in the H. are you talking about!? What jokes? >:( >:( >:( You been snorting the psilosybin again? Sheesh and double good grief. I don't have time for your crap right now.
Hell, if we can't make jokes about the dire situation the country is in---and take pokes at our own self once in awhile---then we just as well be cast in that TV show "The Walking Dead" and walk around like zombies all the time.
I agree, but I hadn't made any joke! Some people will do anything to poke at me. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: sodbuster on October 01, 2011, 12:51:43 AM
You guys are no Sgt. Dakota Meyers
David
That is very true, none of us are Sgt Dakota Myers and none of us, that I know, of was awarded the Medal of Honor. Anyone who served in the military has a right to brag about it if they want to, but I have not read anything in any of the posts on this forum where anyone has bragged about their military service. They may mention it or make a joke to another prior service member, but no bragging or touting. Why you would make the comment about me, Jarhead, Patriot and Ross touting our military duty is a mystery to me.
Quote from: Sarge on October 01, 2011, 03:42:12 PM
That is very true, none of us are Sgt Dakota Myers and none of us, that I know, of was awarded the Medal of Honor. Anyone who served in the military has a right to brag about it if they want to, but I have not read anything in any of the posts on this forum where anyone has bragged about their military service. They may mention it or make a joke to another prior service member, but no bragging or touting. Why you would make the comment about me, Jarhead, Patriot and Ross touting our military duty is a mystery to me.
Because he's a 2 year old that has to use name calling, and childish attacks on ones career choice. Might need his daddy to jack his jaw for mouthing off to his elders!
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/white-house-press-secretary-jay-carney-refuses-answer-205325625.html
Just a few points...
1. Osama wasn't killed by seal team 6 on that raid. There is absolutely no proof. If it was actually him then his picture would've been broadcast and his body not dosposed of so quickly.
2. Of course they're going to say they have DNA confirming its him. They had conclusive proof that the folks at Waco and Ruby Ridge were up to no good also.
3. This "war" is a smoke screen and nothing else. If it was security they are worried about we wouldn't have open borders to our north and south.
4. Why would a seal team be going in to assist a platoon pinned down in a firefight if that platoon was able to break contact to cover the crash site. That in itself tells me the offical story of that crash is B.S.
5. If we are going to point fingers and yelll "treason" then don't you think they should be pointed at the folks that are doing the most harm to this nation? The oath I took was to "defend the CONSTITUTION against enemies both foregin and domestic". So who is the biggest enemy to it right now, some towelhead a thousand miles away or those that sit in positions of power, that hold sway over this nation, make its laws, and are supposed to be governed by the constitution and not looking for way to circumvent it?
Stop drinking the kool-aid, Al Qaeda isn't the threat.
Quote from: Varmit on October 01, 2011, 09:33:43 PM
If we are going to point fingers and yelll "treason" then don't you think they should be pointed at the folks that are doing the most harm to this nation? The oath I took was to "defend the CONSTITUTION against enemies both foregin and domestic". So who is the biggest enemy to it right now, some towelhead a thousand miles away or those that sit in positions of power, that hold sway over this nation, make its laws, and are supposed to be governed by the constitution and not looking for way to circumvent it?
Great point. As we watch our constitutionally guaranteed liberties eroded and giving way to ever-increasing law & regulation pushed by elected officials and tenured bureaucrats, we often fail to recognize the threats from within... let alone stand up and say so.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.Benjamin Franklin, circa 1759.
Quote from: Varmit on October 01, 2011, 09:33:43 PM
Just a few points...
1. Osama wasn't killed by seal team 6 on that raid. There is absolutely no proof. If it was actually him then his picture would've been broadcast and his body not dosposed of so quickly.
2. Of course they're going to say they have DNA confirming its him. They had conclusive proof that the folks at Waco and Ruby Ridge were up to no good also.
3. This "war" is a smoke screen and nothing else. If it was security they are worried about we wouldn't have open borders to our north and south.
4. Why would a seal team be going in to assist a platoon pinned down in a firefight if that platoon was able to break contact to cover the crash site. That in itself tells me the offical story of that crash is B.S.
5. If we are going to point fingers and yelll "treason" then don't you think they should be pointed at the folks that are doing the most harm to this nation? The oath I took was to "defend the CONSTITUTION against enemies both foregin and domestic". So who is the biggest enemy to it right now, some towelhead a thousand miles away or those that sit in positions of power, that hold sway over this nation, make its laws, and are supposed to be governed by the constitution and not looking for way to circumvent it?
Stop drinking the kool-aid, Al Qaeda isn't the threat.
While i despise the continued use of racial slurs on this forum, I agree with your sentiments.