Saw in the paper that Howard is a stage 1 use. We are to conserve usage, so who will get cut off first... the people or the wind farm. They use 10,000 gal. of water per base not counting truck clean up
.Plus all the little jobs out there have a little over 80 more to do The paper was wrong. No blades there but some tower base did come in.
I thought wind farms were about environmentally friendly conservation oriented operations. I guess production schedules and money take precedence. ???
Drought? What drought.
Good observations, oldfart.
Oldfart, I was told that they are getting some of the water from private land, pumping it out or something. Not sure that is just what I heard.
I know in most municipalities that they exempt businesses from it. When i ran my greenhouse it was exempt from drought restrictions but it really didn't matter since at the time i was on a well.
They stop at Harrods and HAVE TO have all their trucks and equipment washed off.. Then again as they leave town..
Why you might ask?
Well.. so as not to "bring in any outside dirt to the location" . ::)
I am absolutely incredulously disgusted over this STUPID STUPID regulation.
What a total bunch of horse shit!
All of it kinda smells like that too.....
Quote from: Teresa on August 19, 2011, 09:46:11 PM
They stop at Harrods and HAVE TO have all their trucks and equipment washed off.. Then again as they leave town..
Why you might ask?
Well.. so as not to "bring in any outside dirt to the location" . ::)
I am absolutely incredulously disgusted over this STUPID STUPID regulation.
What a total bunch of horse shit!
All of it kinda smells like that too.....
HUH!? What the * what about all that dirt between harods and the location! what is the dirt gonna do? if this is then they should be reclaiming the water used and filtering it for that purpose!
Is Harrod's that station on 400 up by Severy? This really does sound like something suspect.
No.. Harrods is the tow and welding shop across from the West park here in Howard. They aren't in the wrong. They're just performing a service.. It isn't their doing. It is OSHA.. The dirt in Howard is ok.. but the dirt coming IN to Howard is somehow NOT ok... And... they don't want any dirt FROM Howard to go outside of Howard...........
* what the hell ever!!!* ::)
I could fill you in on a few other regulations ( one being a certain kind of beetle bug that they are afraid that they are going to "run over" ... so NO trucks can get off the road at all...
Its get better.... There are things that I swear Mason (age 4) could decipher between stupidity and .........well ...stupidity.
hahaha~~ my god~ to keep yourself from going crazy or postal.. you have to laugh at the idiots that make up these regulations and then stand back and marvel at the ones that actually okay them!
Quote from: Teresa on August 20, 2011, 07:30:00 AM
No.. Harrods is the tow and welding shop across from the West park here in Howard. They aren't in the wrong. They're just performing a service.. It isn't their doing. It is OSHA.. The dirt in Howard is ok.. but the dirt coming IN to Howard is somehow NOT ok... And... they don't want any dirt FROM Howard to go outside of Howard...........
* what the hell ever!!!* ::)
I could fill you in on a few other regulations ( one being a certain kind of beetle bug that they are afraid that they are going to "run over" ... so NO trucks can get off the road at all...
Its get better.... There are things that I swear Mason (age 4) could decipher between stupidity and .........well ...stupidity.
hahaha~~ my god~ to keep yourself from going crazy or postal.. you have to laugh at the idiots that make up these regulations and then stand back and marvel at the ones that actually okay them!
wonder what they would do if we went out with a can of raid
Not OSHA. It's the EPA and various other environmental groups . They are looking to protect the species that are native to the area, and part of doing that is to not introduce outside bacteria, predators, what have you. The part that doesn't make sense is, why not wash it off where they picked it up? Who is protecting Harrod's from being over run with evironmental disaster?
I had heard about the beetle and thought the guy telling me was shittin" me!!! And now the deal with washing trucks? I have some Elk Falls dirt on my pickup, do I need to wash it before coming up to Mom"s house to pick tomatos!!
here is an idea to save some of the water for the city of Howard-----have the windmill company bring in their own water to wash off the trucks-------------------oh crap,,,,,then you would have outside water washing off outside dirt making a whole new outside liquid to deal with---------------------------------oh welll, back to the drawing board
If you all are talking about the wheel wash business, I'm surprised it would affect you all because you aren't in any way urban. Here, it has to do with air quality issues near quarries and gravel pits and not letting mud from construction sites be tracked onto roads to make them slippery. The plant and bug invasion problem is also true for some sensitive areas. Some places the water is indeed filtered and recycled ,not sure that's universal though. In some areas it makes total sense ,but not all.
I'll be glad when the republicans take the white house and the senate. Then we can shut the epa down or severely restrict its interference as well as get rid of these intrusive rules.
Dom"t get me wrong, I'm thrilled to death about the commerce that Howard and the area are already getting from the workers, etc. but the rules that go with it are laffable.
Hey, guys -
By all means, not all the trucks that come back into town are washed. At least not at Harrod's on West Washington. I can see the trucks turning the corner and heading east, not stopping until they reach the Wabash stop sign. Occasionally I'll see a couple of trucks stopped at Harrod's (never did know why), but the majority of trucks come straight through.
quote from Teresa:
one being a certain kind of beetle bug that they are afraid that they are going to "run over" ... so NO trucks can get off the road at all...
Uh Teresa, You suppose it could be the "dung beetle" considering where the trucks have been ?I'm joking, calm down !!
American Burrying Beetle
http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/Oklahoma/beetle1.htm
Present in Elk County, because all of the engineering for Elk County RWD 2 and the Public Wholesale Water District No. 20 (Quivira Lake) had to take it into account.
They aren't washing trucks, they are washing excavating equipment, dozers, trackhoes, loaders,etc, that are loaded with dirt from where ever they were used last and it is packed in their undercarriage. Again, I ask, why isn't it cleaned when they load it for transport?
The beetle is only one of many of the environmental concerns. The #1 concern in this project was the prairie chicken. I don't think any of you want to see our flora and fauna disrupted by construction . What brought down the aliens in "War of the Worlds" ? The common cold. Not so far fetched an idea in these times. What's killing the honeybees? Smaller organisims and bacteria. One thing that our kids have chosen to study that has shown results, and raised some red flags.
You are right about the vehicles trailing mud onto roadways , Diane. A big fine here as well in urban areas. Also, any soil that is disturbed has to be protected from migration with weir dams , straw beds, rip rap, whatever it takes to keep it in place.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 20, 2011, 02:28:26 PM
They aren't washing trucks, they are washing excavating equipment, dozers, trackhoes, loaders,etc, that are loaded with dirt from where ever they were used last and it is packed in their undercarriage.
Thanks for the clarification. :D
people i,m up on the hill we wash up the cement trucks all night long and the water is coming from Howard by way of a tanker truck he makes about 6 loads anight and day maybe more .last night was slow we used around16,000 gallons give or takesome one said water shed nort of Howad lake has been open up the run more in it said it music water shed was getting real low plus we have sprinkier systemthat waters the rock ALL NIGHT LONG no telling how much there lot of water coming out of our lake .WEstill have80+ of these to do
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 20, 2011, 02:28:26 PM
They aren't washing trucks, they are washing excavating equipment, dozers, trackhoes, loaders,etc, that are loaded with dirt from where ever they were used last and it is packed in their undercarriage. Again, I ask, why isn't it cleaned when they load it for transport?
The beetle is only one of many of the environmental concerns. The #1 concern in this project was the prairie chicken. I don't think any of you want to see our flora and fauna disrupted by construction . What brought down the aliens in "War of the Worlds" ? The common cold. Not so far fetched an idea in these times. What's killing the honeybees? Smaller organisims and bacteria. One thing that our kids have chosen to study that has shown results, and raised some red flags.
Actually the only bacteria that affects honey bees are American foulbrood and European foulbrood. They are caused by Paenibacillus larvae.
MOST of the problems with bees are caused by waxmoths, tracheal and varroa mites. You get nosema when a long winter happens and they can't clean their waste out, and the rest of the problems have to do with mostly airborn viral. They don't know what causes ccd. Since waxmoths are everywhere, thats a common problme but they can handle the wax moths if they are strong. They oonly get overcome if and only if they are queenless or their brood is insufficient in numbers to kill the moth and remove larvae and eggs.
The mites are a matter of breeding. If you breed weak bees suceptible to mites you end up with mite problems. IF you breed them with the resistance then you don't have a problem. I rarely have a mite problem. AND if i do, i just use powder sugar on them and mites are gone. Trachael mites you use grease patties and mint. That kills them. but like i said i don't have that problem. IN FACT i never treat for mites as a general rule. The hive just dies and takes that genetic out of the gene pool.
I raise ferels as well as carnolians and cordovans. I am going to be getting russian next year. The russian tend to winter better than the others. Plus they are claimed to be just as gentle as the cordovans or ferels. I plan on breeding some of the ferels to the russian and see if i can get the mite resistance improved.
The batch plant sure was dark last night, all night, to be operating . ::) The only potable water being used is what goes into the concrete mix. The rest comes from Perkins watersheds.
If you are concerned about Enel using up our water, why are you working for them?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 21, 2011, 10:16:50 AM
The batch plant sure was dark last night, all night, to be operating . ::) The only potable water being used is what goes into the concrete mix. The rest comes from Perkins watersheds.
If you are concerned about Enel using up our water, why are you working for them?
He does have a point. If they are using water supply up, then they need to shut down til they fill back up. County residents come before enel!
Quote from: srkruzich on August 21, 2011, 03:40:45 PM
He does have a point. If they are using water supply up, then they need to shut down til they fill back up. County residents come before enel!
Wanna bet. Ever heard money talks and B.S. walks?
Quote from: Ross on August 21, 2011, 03:49:40 PM
Wanna bet. Ever heard money talks and B.S. walks?
True but if the water starts getting shut off except for a couple hours a day, so a windfarm can go in, the bullet talks far louder than the $. Water has prompted a war faster in areas than any other event.
Water will be more expensive than oil in the not so distant future.
Pray for rain.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 21, 2011, 06:56:44 PM
Water will be more expensive than oil in the not so distant future.
Pray for rain.
Possibly.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 21, 2011, 06:56:44 PM
Water will be more expensive than oil in the not so distant future.
Pray for rain.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 21, 2011, 07:39:20 PM
Possibly.
possiblys ass..........TRUE
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on August 21, 2011, 08:04:49 PM
possiblys ass..........TRUE
well if i need water, i have a place that has a well. I'd like to see someone try and take that from me!
Quote from: srkruzich on August 21, 2011, 08:50:44 PM
well if I need water, i have a place that has a well. I'd like to see someone try and take that from me!
I'm on my way, but first what time do you og to sleep?
Just kidding Steve.
Quote from: Ross on August 21, 2011, 09:08:33 PM
I'm on my way, but first what time do you og to sleep?
Just kidding Steve.
Ahhh but thats the key you gotta find it first lol. The only one that knows where it is, is me and the well digger who died 2 years ago, and i dont' think he's going to spill the beans
Quote from: srkruzich on August 21, 2011, 09:12:06 PM
Ahhh but thats the key you gotta find it first lol. The only one that knows where it is, is me and the well digger who died 2 years ago, and i dont' think he's going to spill the beans
H20 the new
Liquid Gold.
I finally had some rain one day.
Several storms on one day and gentle rain.
I got 3 1/2 inches and now have some water in my ponds.
But no fish, they all died. i buried them in my compost pile.
So I'll start a new with fish when I'm sure this draught is over.
Stay cool, I'm going out and sweat. I building barb wire fence and cutting
hdege post for corner post.
Later.
Quote from: Ross on August 22, 2011, 05:51:45 AM
H20 the new
Liquid Gold.
I finally had some rain one day.
Several storms on one day and gentle rain.
I got 3 1/2 inches and now have some water in my ponds.
But no fish, they all died. i buried them in my compost pile.
So I'll start a new with fish when I'm sure this draught is over.
Stay cool, I'm going out and sweat. I building barb wire fence and cutting
hdege post for corner post.
Later.
Ross, when your ponds are full again, buy some fish. I think the extension agent can help with that. They aren't that much! I would stock em with some largemouth bass and some catfish with a few bluegills and perch maybe depends how big your ponds are
No Snakeheads!
we start pouring cement at 1 am ,we dont work sat. nite and there you go calling me a liar again
Huh? :-X
Quote from: oldfart on August 22, 2011, 09:24:03 AM
we start pouring cement at 1 am ,we dont work sat. nite and there you go calling me a liar again
The gall of some people, huh old fart?
I think most of us know who to listen to.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 22, 2011, 06:23:26 AM
Ross, when your ponds are full again, buy some fish. I think the extension agent can help with that. They aren't that much! I would stock em with some largemouth bass and some catfish with a few bluegills and perch maybe depends how big your ponds are
I had 8, 10 and 12 pound catfish in my front pond and I let kids fish it. What fun when they would hook a big one.
The kids could thake them home but adults with no kids, did fish and release.
I think I'll do cat fish in one and largemouth bass in the other. And a couple of grass carp in each and a few miscellaneous in each, and of coures minnows. The pond are small, wh=ith one being pretty deep maybe 12'.
I don't want the extension agent involved,
no hand outs and none of their rules.
But hey, I have you off topic so I get out of here. Sorry.
Ross I will let you come to the house and fish for some bass. I cull every thing out under 1 1/2 pounds anyway. My ponds are clean .
Let me know when you get some water. Clean the ponds if you get a chance. A pond of less than 8' deep is too shallow .
Quote from Ross:
But hey, I have you off topic so I get out of here. Sorry.
There aint nothing wrong with getting off topic, Ross. Everyone on this forum does it from time to time and some times the worst offenders cry the loudest when someone else sins. I sure don't loose no sleep over it---and I doubt you do-PLUS---you of all people should know" not to walk on a well used trail"--if you catch my drift !!!
Quote from: jarhead on August 22, 2011, 12:04:30 PM..." not to walk on a well used trail"--if you catch my drift !!!
Hey.. what's that on your boot? Never mind, we got no water left to clean it off with. Just scrape it with a stick, and be sure you're not relocating any beetles.
Quote from: Ross on August 22, 2011, 11:35:15 AM
I had 8, 10 and 12 pound catfish in my front pond and I let kids fish it. What fun when they would hook a big one.
The kids could thake them home but adults with no kids, did fish and release.
I think I'll do cat fish in one and largemouth bass in the other. And a couple of grass carp in each and a few miscellaneous in each, and of coures minnows. The pond are small, wh=ith one being pretty deep maybe 12'.
I don't want the extension agent involved, no hand outs and none of their rules.
But hey, I have you off topic so I get out of here. Sorry.
Its not a handout. You pay for the frye!
Just a source for them.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 22, 2011, 02:45:11 PM
Its not a handout. You pay for the frye!
Just a source for them.
i din't know that. Thanks a bunch.
I learn something new every day.
Quote from: Ross on August 22, 2011, 05:20:10 PM
i din't know that. Thanks a bunch.
I learn something new every day.
FIsh and game are responsible for stocking lakes in the state. They usually have a fry hatchery that you can go buy fry from. Thats why i said the extension office. They might use the state universitys for the hatching. I dont know here. When i lived in georgia we had a hatchery 5 miles from my house in the WMA (wildlife management area) it was hidden well and they released directly from the hatchery into the river system. Most of the locals that run the fish for trout places along the roadside, (paid by the pound) stocked them from the state hatchery. I can't remember how much it was per pound of fry.
They would load up tanks on a truck and drive them out to your pond and release into the pond. 2 years later you have 18" trout.
The extension agent, Richard Fechter would know where to get fish, but would most likely refer you to Wildlife and Parks who operate the public fish hatcheries that exist in Kansas (to my knowledge). We don't have very many hatcheries in Kansas, just the four that are operated by Wildlife and Parks, and maybe a dozen private ones.
I don't remember if they are Kansas based on not, but a private company used to bring their truck to Mills Feed and Supply in Moline a half-dozen or so times a year. Dunn's was the name I believe. Might give one of the Mills a call. The number is 647-3294.
I have used Dunn's and had planed to ust them again.
After the draught ends.
But also do a little fishing with a man on this thread in the spring.
Dunn's Fish Farm
http://www.dunnsfishfarm.com/
Fittstown, OK
draught =beer, which should never end ;)
drought= parched, too dry...need a nice cold frosty draught! :angel:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2011, 02:09:29 PM
draught =beer, which should never end ;)
drought= parched, too dry...need a nice cold frosty draught! :angel:
Oops my bad. Funny though.
Funny was the point,nothing else. :-*
If Howard is in stage 1 water warning, and residents are told to conserve water, ie, not water grass, dont wash car, then why is it ok to go to the car wash next to the gas station and put your 1.25 in and wash your car there?
For the same reason that it is still OK to get your water from the dispenser. You pay for it. Besides the car wash is a privately owned business. Why aren't you asking about the laundromat? We do still have one, don't we? I haven't heard that businesses have been asked to cut down on their water usage even though I would bet that most of them have. I doubt that it takes any more water to wash a car at the car wash than it does to do your family laundry. Actually, the person that is using the car wash instead of doing it the old fashioned way at home, is using less water. The request to not wash your cars is just that, a request.
Some car washes recycle the water, does that one? I don't think wash water at the laundry can be recycled can it? Usually businesses do get hit last because it's someone's living...IMHO
I doubt if this one recycles. Recycling wasn't a big thing when this one was built.
I was really hoping Lee would send you some water but I guess that's not going to happen.
It doesn't look like we are going to get any of it here either. When I came home this afternoon I noticed that the big Logustrum in my yard has a lot of dead leaves. Hope I don't lose it, think it has been here almost as long as the house, I know it was here when I moved here over 30 years ago.
At least it is supposed to be in the 90's for the high this weekend.
What's a Logustrum? And I have a bush out front that has small, pretty purple flowers on it and I have no idea what it is. More yard work will be done once it finally cools off!
Lisa
Lisa, could it be a Rose of Sharon?
All of those bushes are producing up a storm right now.
About the only thing that has! been doing what it is suppose to
this year.
One of the poorest growing season's I have had........of course, gives us all something
to shoot for next year.
I hope the rainfall picks up or we just might have to learn how to grow sagebrush or heaven forbid, cactus.
Quote from: Judy Harder on September 03, 2011, 03:48:28 AM
Lisa, could it be a Rose of Sharon?
All of those bushes are producing up a storm right now.
About the only thing that has! been doing what it is suppose to
this year.
One of the poorest growing season's I have had........of course, gives us all something
to shoot for next year.
I hope the rainfall picks up or we just might have to learn how to grow sagebrush or heaven forbid, cactus.
Just pray it rains a lot. I need flowers badly for my bees
Ms Bear, Is your Ligustrum the kind with waxy leaves and the beautiful white flowers in the spring? I think they are just lovely but we're a little too cold in January to grow them here reliably. Maybe with the warming trend though we'll try one some day. Judy how about tumbleweed?
Diane, we might try that and I know just where to go to find them. Somewhere between here and Bucklin they are thicker than weeds.
I thought of tumbleweed, but I hear it is hard to keep at home......kind of like a teenager..........LOL
As for the bee's Steve, I did not see very many this year..................and even the fly's and skeeters and other insects were not as many. did the heat do that, or lack of rain..I kind of think the lack of rain, kept the larve from growing.....but the bees are worrysome.
Need them to keep things growing.....
Quote from: Judy Harder on September 03, 2011, 12:15:11 PM
I thought of tumbleweed, but I hear it is hard to keep at home......kind of like a teenager..........LOL
As for the bee's Steve, I did not see very many this year..................and even the fly's and skeeters and other insects were not as many. did the heat do that, or lack of rain..I kind of think the lack of rain, kept the larve from growing.....but the bees are worrysome.
Need them to keep things growing.....
There was no nectar to go after. They stayed in their hives. Pollen wasn't plentiful either. I am hoping and well all had better hope and pray for some rain right now and that the goldenrod and other weeds grow fast or the bee population will be in trouble.
Yes, Diane. They bloom for quite awhile here and you can smell all over the yard. I have one right by the dining room that is at least 15 feet tall and shades the south windows and then there are a row of them along one side of the yard by the neighbors driveway that are getting really big. My husband used to trim them like a hedge but they are too tall to do that to now. I haven't noticed very many dead leaves on them but they are a lot younger than the one by the house, at least 15 years younger. I have no idea how long they will live.
I have two Hope (Esperanza) plants that are finally getting big, they freeze back every year but come back from the root and get bigger every year. One is about 6 years old and is about 8 feet tall with with lots of bright yellow flowers from about late May until November or December, the bees really like it and it seems to do very good with or without water.
It is actually a little cooler today and we have some wind, doubt if we will get rain but they are saying the wind has put us at higher fire risk.
I hadn't thought of tumbleweeds being like teenagers but is a perfect example.
I have some fall blooming clematis just ready to bloom. It should attract some insects for sure. The sunflowers are just about through blooming and ready for harvest, what's left of them after the birds. The finches and sparrows have sure enjoyed them.
Quote from: Judy Harder on September 03, 2011, 03:48:28 AM
Lisa, could it be a Rose of Sharon?
All of those bushes are producing up a storm right now.
About the only thing that has! been doing what it is suppose to
this year.
One of the poorest growing season's I have had........of course, gives us all something
to shoot for next year.
I hope the rainfall picks up or we just might have to learn how to grow sagebrush or heaven forbid, cactus.
Nope, not Rose of Sharon. I wish I had some of those though! These flowers are about the size of a quarter and have frilly edges all around. I do need to plant some kind of ground cover around the front of the house. What do you recommend?
Lisa
I don't know your house or your grounds, nor what you like to do in yard. Are you a gardener, do you have a green or black thumb? And what kind of soil........permant, semi-permant.....annual or ?????
Some day when I know where you live, would be glad to come advise.....I am a great sidewalk superintendent........but I would bet that Teresa or Joanna, for sure Joanne or even the kids who just moved out, know what would grow there. Lets see how many different ideas. I would have to study on it for a bit.........unless you want mature stock, best decide over winter and plant next spring......bulbs will be ready later this month.
OH, we are getting RAIN! In fact it rained me out of the softball game.....and we had a nice gully-washer. cooler and oh sleeping will be great tonight. YIPEE!!!!
So glad to hear you finally got some rain!
Quote from: farmgal67357 on September 03, 2011, 04:26:40 PM
Nope, not Rose of Sharon. I wish I had some of those though! These flowers are about the size of a quarter and have frilly edges all around. I do need to plant some kind of ground cover around the front of the house. What do you recommend?
Lisa
Depends on what direction its facing. How much shade is there. Phlox is good, if you want drought tolerant plants, i would use Festuca idahoensis, and festuca ovina glauca. IF its shady festuca rubra and festuca amethystina 'Superba. plant these about 3' apart and then add maybe dianthus feurhexen, Hamelia patens, Callicarpa americana, Pityopsis graminifolia, maybe put up a trellis against the wall of the house and grow Lonicera sempervirens, and Tradescantia virginiana. Muhlenbergia capillaris is a very pretty tall grass.
All of these are drought tolerant and handle wet fairly well too
We got rain in Texas tonight. Not a lot but enough to wet the ground and clean the air. Maybe we will get more tomorrow.
My rain gauge has 2 inches in it.........and I didn't accidently fill it when I watered..........was at the softball game and when it started lightening and raining I came home, so did most people leave. Did not go back, and with all the rain falling I would bet they postponed the rest.
Not going back this morning. Going to church and not sure I can handle the bleachers I have to climb to get to scorekeepers table/hut. Will see when I go down after church.
Unless they put the books down on grown, this will be my last year.
You can't believe how sore my legs are and eyes are fighting with vision..........LOL I will go watch games and support the ball association. but I will see if I ge a second or third wind. I have had to use backspacing three times typing this, bet my eyes would cross if I tried to keep stats now.
It is so much fun getting "Over-the-Hill" I refuse to say...............OLD!
Tain't for sissies is it? ;)
There is 1/2 inch of rain in the gauge this morning, and it is cool enough that the flies are not bothering, so I have the back door propped open. Just like ambrosia all that natural cool air! :D :D
A friend of mine from England says that if you put a mint plant outside by the door the flies won't come in the house. Don't know if it works or not but am going to try it.
Ms Bear,
If you drink a pint of PepperMINT schnapps you won't care if flies are in your house or not. ;D
Some time ago, it was posted on the forum about using shiny pennies in a plastic bag of water around a door to repel flies. Did anyone ever try it?
You are so right, Jarhead. I wouldn't have a care in the world.
Don't know if the pennies in the bag of water work or not but know a lot of people that say they do.