*The world's largest army... America 's hunters! I had never thought about
this....*
*A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and
arrived at a striking conclusion:*
*There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin .*
*Allow me to restate that number..*
*Over the last several months, Wisconsin 's hunters became the eighth
largest army in the world.*
*More men under arms than in Iran .*
*More than in France and Germany combined.*
*These men deployed to the woods of a single American state to hunt with
firearms, and no one was killed.*
*That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of
Pennsylvania and Michigan 's 700,000 hunters, all of whom have now returned
home.*
*Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally
establishes the fact that*
*The hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in
the world.*
*(4 states = 2.3 million hunters)*
*The point?*
*America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of
home-grown firepower.*
*Hunting -- it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of
national security.*
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*That's why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.*
*Food for thought when next we consider gun control.*
Pardon my ignorance and you know I'm not for gun control, but when has it ever been suggested that the typical hunting rifle be banned? It would never pass. I must have missed something.
It has been tried and retried and beat several times Diane.
And besides... the post wasn't about banning hunting rifles.. It was to point out that we as hunters/gun owners are within ourselves.. a well armed militia..
I totally understand that. I was referring to your last line that's all. I can't imagine hunting weapons ever successfully being banned or even successfully controlled except perhaps for state requirements for education on use and safety.
Teresa, great post great thread. You can count me as one of the Armed, I won't post here how well armed.
Frank
Quote from: Teresa on August 15, 2011, 10:56:58 AM
*(4 states = 2.3 million hunters)*
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Most official troops have one or two firearms, at best. Imagine what the average, per capita, numbers of arms there are among the private citizens in this country. Almost sorta comforting when you think about it.... unless you're a lib progressive who really believes that guns, not people, do the killing.
Of course, there is that insanity of our own ATF arming the Mexican drug cartels. ???
Quote from: Patriot on August 15, 2011, 11:55:00 AM
Of course, there is that insanity of our own ATF arming the Mexican drug cartels. ???
Yeah~~ That is absolutely disgusting and the lowest of the low.. ( Don't get me started) >:(
Speaking of state requirements for gun safety and such---the way our Hunter Safety requirements are, are a bunch of BS. you take a young'n that has grown up shooting, hunting and trapping but before he gets a license he has to pass the Hunter Safety Coarse ---then you take some ol geezer from the city who has never so much as shot a BB gun and the only thing he knows about wildlife is feeding the humming birds in his back yard---then he decides to go deer hunting---goes buys himself a high power---finds out from the salesman which end the bullet comes out of---and off to find Bambi he goes. If one has to take the coarse, then all should take it---or just forget the whole thing.
;D You know the Rex Vinette family is armed. Good post Ms.T
I was trying to find statistics on how big this army is. (I know don't end your sentence in a preposition). The best info I have found so far was from 2001 in an ATF estimate. Approx. 225 million guns in the US. Approx 84 million people own guns in 2001. As far as trying to figure out what that translates to 10 years later; best estimates I could find say that the percentage of people that own guns is between 45%-50% of the population. This percentage has been a constant for many years.That seems to indicate the number is 125 million to 150 million. Since many gun owners prefer not to say if they own guns or not the numbers are probabely low. I may or may not be a member of the "army". :laugh: But I do support the army.
David
Let's take into consideration: 50% of Elk Co has 1-3+ firearms, and with that most are vets and know how to use them, or as so well put..hunting from the age of 10 with safety first.
Then multiply that by 103 counties in kansas and that would be alot!
Now, if we are talking about a Cartel coming to Moline...I think that first, they would have flat tires, then they would have Jarhead asking them how do they like this area (summing up, that they are not from here...) get my drift?
It will work.
However, if the other countries come overhead and land and then blow fire....my shot gun won't help me unless they are close range and only 5.
See the difference? Unless someone is hoarding some missles, then we are nothing but the movie: "Friendly Persuasion"...my favorite.
By the way, I agree with the post! We DO take care of our own!
ready and loaded (hic)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 15, 2011, 11:18:46 AM
Pardon my ignorance and you know I'm not for gun control, but when has it ever been suggested that the typical hunting rifle be banned? It would never pass. I must have missed something.
clinton tried it, obamas trying to ban it. THey call them assault weapons. ANY SEMI AUTOMATIC can be classified under their definition of assault weapon.
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 15, 2011, 06:40:19 PM
Let's take into consideration: 50% of Elk Co has 1-3+ firearms, and with that most are vets and know how to use them, or as so well put..hunting from the age of 10 with safety first.
Then multiply that by 103 counties in kansas and that would be alot!Now, if we are talking about a Cartel coming to Moline...I think that first, they would have flat tires, then they would have Jarhead asking them how do they like this area (summing up, that they are not from here...) get my drift?
It will work.
However, if the other countries come overhead and land and then blow fire....my shot gun won't help me unless they are close range and only 5.
See the difference? Unless someone is hoarding some missles, then we are nothing but the movie: "Friendly Persuasion"...my favorite.
By the way, I agree with the post! We DO take care of our own!
ready and loaded (hic)
I think Kansas has 105 counties total. I know it's being picky, but it will add to ready's calculation of how big the Kansas army is. ;)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 15, 2011, 11:44:35 AM
I totally understand that. I was referring to your last line that's all. I can't imagine hunting weapons ever successfully being banned or even successfully controlled except perhaps for state requirements for education on use and safety.
Damn that, the state has no right to do that. They can shove any regulation they might impose. What part of shall not be infringed on is hard to understand
nope 103 counties
Uh Ready, I feel like I might be getting set up here but I thought Kansas had 105 counties :)
crap...you are correct...my apologies.
ready
hell, I am two marbles short of a chineese checkers game, but that never stopped me from playing ;D
and for that, I am taking my 22 marbles and going to bed
lol ready
Jarhead,
That would be 105 counties that includes two unified governments: Wyandotte County and Kansas City, and Greeley County and Tribune. Not sure how those two work.
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 15, 2011, 08:35:11 PM
hell, I am two marbles short of a chineese checkers game, but that never stopped me from playing ;D
Readyaimduck, you are very funny. Being two marbles short suits you. I am "ready" to hear more of what you have to say. You are a great addition to the forum. :)
David
My friend or neighbor needs me. I'm there.
Quote from ready:
However, if the other countries come overhead and land and then blow fire....my shot gun won't help me unless they are close range and only 5.
See the difference? Unless someone is hoarding some missiles, then we are nothing but the movie: "Friendly Persuasion"...my favorite.
Maybe , maybe not Ready--if I understand right what you're saying. Look at all the fire power, air support, choppers and Naval gun fire we used in Viet Nam, yet them little sons a britches gave us a pretty good tussle for 10 years. We would just have to change tactics like the NVA /VC did. Go into our Geronimo mode(guerrilla warfare) Most of us old Elk county vets are too damn old to go charging up some hill screaming like banshees against a bunkered up enemy anyway but you put me in a spider hole reloading clips for Teresa, who can shoot the nads off a piss ant at 500 meters , and we become a formidable force to be dealt with. Maybe this is a stretch of the imagination but with all the mighty air superiority different countries have the wars will be won or lost by the boots on the ground. Always have with maybe the exception of Desert Storm. The wise Col. David Hackworth summed that one up pretty good when he said that although Saddam might have the 4th largest Army in the world they aint nothing but a 3rd rate bunch of pansy asses and will fold like an accordion when the dust clears--he was right !!
your right jarhead, remember what a marine did in texas with a bolt action 30.06
From Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice President of the NRA
Imagine roving gangs terrorizing your neighborhood, rioting, setting fire to homes and businesses, and beating and robbing your neighbors.
The government is helpless to protect you. Your family looks to you to do something but you can't protect them with a gun because guns are banned. All you have is a baseball bat.
You've seen the heartbreaking images on TV, on the internet and in the newspapers. This is exactly what is happening in Great Britain right now.
But do you know what really angers me? This is what the U.N. envisions for America. U.N. diplomats and anti-gunners here in the U.S. are pushing the lie that, "Government will protect you ... Protecting people is the job of the police." I say, "Tell that to the innocent victims in London."
I also say, "Tell that to the victims of Hurricane Katrina." In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, local police in New Orleans illegally confiscated the guns of law-abiding residents, putting them at the mercy of the rampaging mobs.
What you and I are facing is a United Nations that has set its sights on global disarmament. Their goal is to disarm citizens worldwide, including you and me.
These international gun banners want every gun to be under U.N. and government control. This includes your rifle, your shotgun and your pistol. The bottom line is this: the U.N. treaty is not only an attack on the Second Amendment, it's an attack on our freedoms.
If you don't want to end up defenseless like the people of New Orleans in 2005 or the people of Great Britain today, then we need to fight this treaty now.
What is happening in Great Britain is a warning to all freedom-loving Americans. So please, stand with NRA. Stand with freedom. Stand up for your Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Sadly, there are a fair number of American citizens who are all to willing to see, and help, the above happen. Many are elected officials who have the power to give in on behalf of America.
Quotebut you put me in a spider hole reloading clips for Teresa, who can shoot the nads off a piss ant at 500 meters , and we become a formidable force to be dealt with........
I see your point, Patriot. And I will have to agree...I forgot about all the canning jars, sealing wax and old t shirts laying around.(<<<<McGiver thinking!)
I say if they do land and start pillaging...I will shoot first, then they can deal with me and my 'rights' later...by then I really won't give a flying duck!
Unfortunately, the powers that be are not looking at the big picture of self defense, as in my opinion....if you are the best, you don't have to prove yourself. The USA is powerful...however I think we are not as we used to be in the 70's.
However, I will be at your place if you need, with my shotgun, my jars/gas/rags and nails.
The smaller 'wars' gang wars as KSH was refering to is becoming more the normal. I fear a Civil War, before an International one.
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 16, 2011, 04:35:07 PM
I see your point, Patriot.
<handing you your eyeglasses....> I'm Patriot... You were quoting that chubby raccoon lookin fishbait smellin fella over there. That's
Jug err Jarhead. ;D
Oh! Hi Jar. :)
Quote from a soon to be severely beat up ol goat :
handing you your eyeglasses....> I'm Patriot... You were quoting that chubby raccoon lookin fishbait smellin fella over there. That's Jug err Jarhead.
You know, people at one time questioned whether you were Sarge and now I see why. It must be a Flyboy thing :)
Obama Administration Resorts To Mob Tactics
Wayne LaPierre
You've seen this in the movies. A group of gangsters surrounds an innocent bystander. One of the thugs pulls out a bat and smashes the poor guy's windshield. "It'd be a shame if this sorta thing continued to happen," says the thug. Unable to afford any future damage to his property, the bystander-turned-victim is now forced to surrender his money to the mob so they can "protect" his belongings.
President Barack Obama and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder are now using this same mob-style tactic on American gun owners.
Officials at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), an agency under the direct purview of Holder's Justice Department, forced American gun shops to illegally sell guns to people they knew would cross the border and put those guns in the hands of violent Mexican drug lords.
The operation was dubbed "Fast and Furious" and many of the over 2,000 illegal guns that were supplied to Mexican criminals under this program were then used to commit murder – over 150 murders in Mexico, and two "Fast and Furious" guns were found at the murder site of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
Meanwhile, as drug crime and murder raged out of control in Mexico, President Barack Obama blamed it all on law-abiding American gun owners and our Second Amendment rights.
"This [drug] war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border," said Obama during one of his visits to Mexico.
This line was repeated over and over again by Eric Holder and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The media ran with it. Soon, the perception everywhere was that our Second Amendment rights were responsible for drug crime and murder in Mexico.
And it was a bald-faced lie.
Leaked State Department cables proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that Central America was the main supplier of illegal guns to Mexican drug lords – not the United States of America.
And those guns that did find their way from America to Mexico were being illegally pushed across the border by our own federal government, as we now know. This scheme was so devious, that even Mexican President Felipe Calderon knew nothing about it.
There's your busted windshield, Mr. Law-Abiding American Gun Owner. Now the Obama administration expects you to surrender your gun rights so something like this never happens again.
BATFE is now requiring American firearms dealers that are located in states that border Mexico to register the sales of anyone purchasing multiple rifles. You know...to solve the gun-running problem that BATFE itself illegally created.
BATFE's new gun registration requirement is not only useless in stopping Mexican drug violence, but it's also an illegal and blatant end-run around Congress. Not that you would expect an administration that breaks the law to all of sudden begin respecting our American law-making process.
All freedom-loving Americans – not just gun owners – should be alarmed by this dictatorial move by the White House. If Obama and Holder can circumvent Congress and make their own gun control laws, it won't be long before they're ramming a whole host of other unpopular laws down our throats.
This is why the National Rifle Association is suing the Obama administration in federal court so we can defend the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans in border states by stopping this unconstitutional gun registration scheme. And we will continue to pressure Holder and the Justice Department to come forward with all of the facts surrounding the secretive and illegal "Fast and Furious" scandal.
This is real-life America, not a fictional episode of The Sopranos. And we Americans need to stand up for ourselves and defend our Constitutional rights whenever and wherever they fall under attack. NRA will fight this illegal gun-control edict no matter how many windshields the Obama administration smashes.
Quote from: jarhead on August 16, 2011, 05:31:54 PM
You know, people at one time questioned whether you were Sarge and now I see why. It must be a Flyboy thing :)
Only when it comes to guys that have to screw their hats on. ;D
OK OK OK!! I got confused...you all sound alike, ya know! :P
pffffffffffttttttttttttt ready
No ready, Patriot sounds like Pee Wee Herman when he talks and I sound like the Duke,Pilgram.
Quote from: jarhead on August 16, 2011, 05:47:16 PM
No ready, Patriot sounds like Pee Wee Herman when he talks and I sound like the Duke,Pilgram.
That whistling sound you hear, Jar... don't run, don't hide... just stand there, smile... and wait for the flash of bright light
;D ;D ;D ;D
In any event, I will still be there for you two!
we can work on the Pee Wee Herman walk when the coast is clear. If that is at all possible!
good things to think about with the gun mandate or at least the discussion of such...I will let it be known, that if no one can ever have a firearm...I will still have one disguised and hidden. LAWS be damned!
No , Patriot, YOU stand there and wait for it. The rest of us will be kicking ass.
Anybody remember in the late 70's when they were training our National Gaurd units to go house to house , disarming citizens. Didn't work to well, asking our sons and daughters to take away their families weapons.
Did that really happen? I was in Nam and didn't hear about it.
kshillbillys,
You see where three BATFE field agents that were ass deep in the "fast and furious ' gun selling BS are now getting promoted and going to DC for management jobs ?Makes one wonder if they know too much and don't want them left down there in border towns jacking their jaws." Yea boys, come to DC and set behind a desk and DO NOT tell who ordered you to break the law and we will give you a cushy job and a big fat raise."
Quote from: Ross on August 16, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
Did that really happen? I was in Nam and didn't hear about it.
Guess you were one of those that Rambo went back after. I said "Late 70's" , Not suprised you don't know about it, anyway.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 16, 2011, 07:05:17 PM
Anybody remember in the late 70's when they were training our National Gaurd units to go house to house , disarming citizens. Didn't work to well, asking our sons and daughters to take away their families weapons.
No never heard that and i was an adult in the late 70's.
Quote from: Ross on August 16, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
Did that really happen? I was in Nam and didn't hear about it.
I don't think it happened. Never did in the south. They would have never gotten away with it.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 16, 2011, 07:05:17 PM
Anybody remember in the late 70's when they were training our National Gaurd units to go house to house , disarming citizens. Didn't work to well, asking our sons and daughters to take away their families weapons.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 16, 2011, 09:08:01 PM
No never heard that and i was an adult in the late 70's.
Same here, Steve.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 16, 2011, 09:07:23 PM
Guess you were one of those that Rambo went back after. I said "Late 70's" , Not suprised you don't know about it, anyway.
You sir have continue to confirm you are one of those types of supervisors I have refered to in an earlier post on other threads. A jerk and a bully.
Keep up the good work.
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Anybody remember in the late 70's when they were training our National Gaurd units to go house to house , disarming citizens. Didn't work to well, asking our sons and daughters to take away their families weapons
This is a new one to me but I live a sheltered life. Interesting though. Can you post where a person could read up on this ?
http://www.greatdreams.com/concentration_camp_plans.htm
enough here to keep y'all busy :)
Sorry, Teresa.... I can't "THINK ABOUT IT" now that I'm a full-fledge member of Thinkers Anonymous.
Thank you , MrsC ;)