http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2011/07/29/school-districts-rolling-in-profit-with-bus-side-advertisements/
GOod idea or bad? Is it constitutional to sell space on buses that are paid for with tax dollars?
I would guess that the schools are selling the ad space on their buses to make up for the cuts in funding from the gov't. In spite of what some think, the only fat left in education to cut would be the administrative salaries...Everything else has been cut to the point where it is the students who are suffering. This selling of ad space is a rather ingenius way to bring money into the schools, although I have to admit that I wouldn't enjoy watching it on any buses in my district. I have no idea of whether it violates any consitutional aspect. I don't think the constitution has been micromanaged to the point where ad space on a school bus is covered.
Why not ad space on school buses, then ad spaces at sports events as long as they are appropriate. If the schools can raise some extra revenue for themselves, why not. Altho, like Cat, I am not sure I would like seeing it.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 12:52:05 PM
I would guess that the schools are selling the ad space on their buses to make up for the cuts in funding from the gov't. In spite of what some think, the only fat left in education to cut would be the administrative salaries...Everything else has been cut to the point where it is the students who are suffering. This selling of ad space is a rather ingenius way to bring money into the schools, although I have to admit that I wouldn't enjoy watching it on any buses in my district. I have no idea of whether it violates any consitutional aspect. I don't think the constitution has been micromanaged to the point where ad space on a school bus is covered.
time to start cutting administration salaries don't ya think. Why does a administrator get a six figure income?? why does the superintendent get 6 figure income! After all their just a manager is all. IT managers make 45k a year. Why can't we pay the school admins less.
Theres a lot more fat in school budgets that can be cut. :) Trust me i could find plenty! Start off with paper. Why spend tons of money on paper. Go digital. Its been done for years in business why is it that the schools are still in the stone age. Secondly, why are schools using textbooks. WHy not go digital on it. The money saved would buy computers to put the digial books on and that would be good for about 4 years. You replace every 4 years. Give each student a laptop as they enter highschool or as they enter middle school. make it a gift to highschool students when they graduate. Insure them in mass in case they are broken. it will make current education up to date, and cost at least half of what it does today with the books.
OH another thing, by eliminating textbooks, you can eliminate lockers that take up space and hide all manner of contraband. Also its healtheri for the kids, they don't end up with 80 pounds of paper in their backpacks.
Quote from: Wilma on July 31, 2011, 01:33:51 PM
Why not ad space on school buses, then ad spaces at sports events as long as they are appropriate. If the schools can raise some extra revenue for themselves, why not. Altho, like Cat, I am not sure I would like seeing it.
Because your talking about using taxpayer dollars to compete against other advertising agencies. That would be a major conflict
Quote from: srkruzich on July 31, 2011, 01:51:55 PM
time to start cutting administration salaries don't ya think. Why does a administrator get a six figure income?? why does the superintendent get 6 figure income! After all their just a manager is all. IT managers make 45k a year. Why can't we pay the school admins less.
Theres a lot more fat in school budgets that can be cut. :) Trust me i could find plenty! Start off with paper. Why spend tons of money on paper. Go digital. Its been done for years in business why is it that the schools are still in the stone age. Secondly, why are schools using textbooks. WHy not go digital on it. The money saved would buy computers to put the digial books on and that would be good for about 4 years. You replace every 4 years. Give each student a laptop as they enter highschool or as they enter middle school. make it a gift to highschool students when they graduate. Insure them in mass in case they are broken. it will make current education up to date, and cost at least half of what it does today with the books.
OH another thing, by eliminating textbooks, you can eliminate lockers that take up space and hide all manner of contraband. Also its healtheri for the kids, they don't end up with 80 pounds of paper in their backpacks.
Most parents are hooked for providing the reams of paper needed at the school level, Steve. Check the supply lists provided at Wally World. I do agree with the fact that more of the content could become digital...But there again, you have a segment of the student population that going totally digital wouldn't work for (like children who can see large objects but are essentially legally blind). A "one size fits all" education isn't possible, given the large amount of diversity in learning styles present in today's student population. That's called a cookie cutter approach to education...It's bad enough when you have teachers that try to shove kids into fitting into a cookie cutter approach.
It's bad enough that the public schools are indoctrination centers for the government.
Better to look elsewhere for education so the kids don't grow up to be communists.
Go to your room!
Quote from: redcliffsw on July 31, 2011, 02:47:09 PM
It's bad enough that the public schools are indoctrination centers for the government.
Better to look elsewhere for education so the kids don't grow up to be communists.
Red, you're on the wrong thread...We're not discussing Communism, indoctrination or any little green men in three piece suits, lurking under the local hedges...We're discussing whether or not using buses to bring in ad revenue is (A) a good idea or (B) whether it constitutes a crossing of the line, Constitutionally speaking. Now, if you have something constructive to add to that, go for it. Otherwise, you need to be looking for the "Reds" somewhere else, please.
Crossing the line? Constitutionally speaking?
This thread is as good as any to expose the reds.
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I am not sure, reading through my educational law books, that I can find anything that shows precedent for preventing a school from raising revenues by selling ad space on their buses. Schools have been allowing companies such as Pepsi and Coke to put vending machines in their teachers' lounges, thus raising monies in that way, and that amounts to the same thing, just on a smaller scale. I guess my opinion, on not wanting it there, is that there is already so much visual "trash" littering our spaces out there. I get really tired of it. I would lean toward being more of a purist, preferring to keep the only writing on a bus to that being the name of the school district.
Side thought: Besides that, larger cities contract through private companies for their busing...I'm not sure a school system could prevent those private companies from selling ad space on the buses, even if they wanted to...
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 03:35:50 PM
<yawn> ::)...
I am not sure, reading through my educational law books, that I can find anything that shows precedent for preventing a school from raising revenues by selling ad space on their buses. Schools have been allowing companies such as Pepsi and Coke to put vending machines in their teachers' lounges, thus raising monies in that way, and that amounts to the same thing, just on a smaller scale. I guess my opinion, on not wanting it there, is that there is already so much visual "trash" littering our spaces out there. I get really tired of it. I would lean toward being more of a purist, preferring to keep the only writing on a bus to that being the name of the school district.
Side thought: Besides that, larger cities contract through private companies for their busing...I'm not sure a school system could prevent those private companies from selling ad space on the buses, even if they wanted to...
Not really any different then public transit systems operated municipally or regionally, they all sell advertising space on their vehicles which lessens the burden on the riders and taxpayers.
Um, I don't know who owns your buses.The school district?
Here most districts do indeed use private bus companies who contract with the districts to transport the children, as Cat said. Our city buses do have advertizements inside and out, and in many big cities most kids go to school on the city buses, there are no "school" buses. If the bus route goes by the school, they ride the city bus.
Sounds like a good capitalistic venture to me. ;) The kids are exposed to advertising everywhere else in their lives, so why not.? Competition is good for the capitalistic soul isn't it?
It's Just like the big companies that moved overseas so they could make things cheaper and increase the bottom line. Sad, but pure competitive capitalism. Too bad it's cost us many jobs. But the guys in the green eye shades rule.
Some of you here have said if you can't make money doing what by what you are doing, then do something else. Farmers used to sell space on their barns, maybe it's high time for the schools to make their own way sometimes rather than raise your taxes. If the kids can plow through the computer ads that are generated just for them, GAP on the bus is an easy leap. Deep, deep thinking. I too get tired of the constant advertizing everywhere, but who then says No....The Gov't ? ;D ;D ;D
Well, the gov't is saying no (at least in Missouri) to teachers "friending" students on Facebook. I put the entire article on a separate thread from this...What a mess.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 02:15:45 PM
Most parents are hooked for providing the reams of paper needed at the school level, Steve.
If you sent me a list saying i had to provide copy paper for school to function i would tell them to kiss my ass. Not the parents responsibility. All a parent is responsible for is their child and nothing else. Sorry but get the fiscal house in order before requesting more money..
QuoteCheck the supply lists provided at Wally World.
I've read it. It would be a cold day in hell before i would send that many supplies to a school. I would buy my child supplies and distribute them from my cabinet. Apparantly there are some stupid adults in this world.
QuoteBut there again, you have a segment of the student population that going totally digital wouldn't work for (like children who can see large objects but are essentially legally blind).
ABSOLUTELY WRONG! All computers have features for those who are blind. INCLUDING massively large text, voice, text to speech and visa versa, computers are quite efficient for the disabled!
QuoteA "one size fits all" education isn't possible, given the large amount of diversity in learning styles present in today's student population. That's called a cookie cutter approach to education...It's bad enough when you have teachers that try to shove kids into fitting into a cookie cutter approach.
Sounds like to me they already do that and have no intention of changing it. Teaching to a test?? Isn't that a cookie cutter approach?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 04:16:03 PM
Well, the gov't is saying no (at least in Missouri) to teachers "friending" students on Facebook. I put the entire article on a separate thread from this...What a mess.
Thats just common sense. The same thing as teachers inviting students to their home in their offtime.