How do you get a disconnect populous to communicate on shared problems and financial burdens? Get them in a room and start a conversation.
That is all.
And how do you get them into a room? Offer them hotdogs and lollipops.
I hate hot dogs and lollipops. You all are no better than the people you are arguing with. No one can question the goings on of a business in this county? Ross has every right to ask for the answers to his questions. If you don't have those answers then SHUT UP! You are NO BETTER than anyone else on this forum. Quit belittling people that don't want to be treated like sheep anymore.
The Shadow knows!
I have been on two action teams one has completed it's task. The members of this action team were from Moline, Elk Falls, Longton Grenola, Severy, and rural. We worked with all the cities in the area and unified the language of the ordinances to be similar. That was two years ago. I wasn't told to shut up once.
The one I am one now picks up trash, paints, and rakes leaves. How am I belittling anyone?
If you don't want to be part of a conversation that is fine. I will answer any question I can answer. Who Donated the fifty dollars? Have no idea. Who filed the llc docs? Have no idea. It was not my action team. Who cleans up trash, trees, leaves, and paints? I know that one.
Quote from: the shadow on May 01, 2011, 09:11:05 PM
I hate hot dogs and lollipops. You all are no better than the people you are arguing with. No one can question the goings on of a business in this county? Ross has every right to ask for the answers to his questions. If you don't have those answers then SHUT UP! You are NO BETTER than anyone else on this forum. Quit belittling people that don't want to be treated like sheep anymore.
The Shadow knows!
Good job shadow. But you know I believe you are talking to the good folks that want sheep to follow them and not ask questions.
Quote from: ADP on May 01, 2011, 09:45:40 PM
I have been on two action teams one has completed it's task. The members of this action team were from Moline, Elk Falls, Longton Grenola, Severy, and rural. We worked with all the cities in the area and unified the language of the ordinances to be similar. That was two years ago. I wasn't told to shut up once.
The one I am one now picks up trash, paints, and rakes leaves. How am I belittling anyone?
If you don't want to be part of a conversation that is fine. I will answer any question I can answer. Who Donated the fifty dollars? Have no idea. Who filed the llc docs? Have no idea. It was not my action team. Who cleans up trash, trees, leaves, and paints? I know that one.
And we are proud of your garbage collection Mr. Perkins.
The main things of interest to me is who owns Elk Konnected LLC? Why is it secreative? Why does Elk Konneccted LLC continue to deny using our tax dollars to provide the little things they do for the community? Why does Elk Konnected pretend to represent the whole county in their actions with our elected officials?
I understand they have their goals I just copied and pasted them right here.
The link http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/mission.htm
Community Goals
Youth Development - Establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Physical Image - Create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Community Wellness - Create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
Communication - Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
By what authority do they have to Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community.
I know that the company Public Square Communities LLC tells Elk Konnected LLC to take control --- just what does that mean?
Where are Elk Konnected LLC community bounderies --- or are they taking control over the whole county?
Elk Konnected LLC told the school board they would be state wide accredited? That's not true, they recieve their acredation by paying Public Squares Community LLC with our tax dollars to be accredited by this little company with 15 or 16 customers and are accredited by no one else. Nothing state wide about that. they are just using our tax dollars to join Mr.What's His Names private little club . It's juat that the dues are rather steep in my opinion. But Mr. Whats His Name needs to make a good living so keep paying him every two years with our tax dollars there is lot's of it.
Again, I copied and pasted it here. The link is http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/mission.htm#Community Conversation
What is Accreditation?
Any county or city can become accredited as a "Public Square Community." Begun in 2007, this new standard-setting process enables high performing communities to market themselves to potential residents, businesses, investors and visitors.
Accreditation requires that four sectors – business, education, human service and government – share leadership and funding for managing their development efforts. These four sectors comprise the "Public Square." To be eligible to apply for accreditation, a community must have a two-year track record of involving citizens in creating and implementing their community's vision. They must renew their vision and goals every two years, have at least three citizen teams implementing goals at all times, hold an annual regional conversation with a neighboring community, provide leadership for the annual Communities Conference and pay an annual fee of $1,500 to $4,000 depending on population. The fee must come from at least three of the four public square sectors.
Accreditation is granted by a 4-person peer review team from other communities and regional partners.
Accreditation ( every 2 years )
sustain the process (engaged community, up-to-date goals & action teams, regional conversation), share leadership of the annual Communities Conference, apply for "Public Square Community" accreditation and pay fee, be reviewed by a team of peers and funding partners, contribute reviewers for other accreditation applicants.
I suppose to some these are not important questions perhaps they think they are getting something for free from the company Elk Konnected LLC. But I have tried to show the facts. You may be a committee person or a volunteer and I am happy that you have your new position but you are not part of the company Elk Konnected LLC you are only being used by the company Elk KOnnected LLC And you don't even know who owns the company Elk Konnected LLC because it is a secret. Now there in not a thing I have written here that is twisted. It is very clear thinking.
We have a right in my opinion to know who this secreative person is that is licensed as Elk Konnected LLC and keeps asking for our tax dollars. This is major flaw with Elk Konnected LLC. The party they are paying with our tax dollars at least has the decency to give his name --- Mr. Terry Woodbury --- and he is real happy to take our tax dollars. Give some thought to that.
Mr. Woodbury has his own names for our medical professionals and churches and business and school. He calls them the Public Square that makes it sound like everything is owned by the public. I find that really strange or more of a way of trying to control as mentioned above. This information is not secreative click on the links above and then read all the other pages listed on Public Square Communities LLC web site. Or don't.
If I do or do not donate money to anything is my business and only mine!
Quote from: greatguns on May 06, 2011, 04:01:03 AM
If I do or do not donate money to anything is my business and only mine!
That's so true, But most people are proud of who they give their money to. Walk into any hospital that accepts contributions and you will see a large wall plaque with name after name. listen to PBS when they are taking donations and they name person after person. Watch the Jerry Lewis telethon name after name and company after company. Proud to give. But not a one of the 60 plus that gave to Elk Konnected are proud enough to say they helped such a great what ever.
Oh and I read the letter from Elk Konnected, LLC to Elk Konnected LLC telling them what a great job they are doing. That really nice the way they said our county is all screwed up and how they are fixing it. Good job of propaganda.
QuoteIf I do or do not donate money to anything is my business and only mine!
Gotta step in on this one - this is so right - and typical of Elk County.
There are a lot of quiet givers here - not all donations are trumpeted.
As secretary for the church, I've seen people give cash so there would be no record. It happens sometimes at school, as well. Donations given, supplies purchased anonymously.
Ross, for what earthly reason do you want to know who donates what to what, and why would you think it is any of your business whatsoever. You really do have problems.
Does it look better if the Government does the donating thereby to have the blessing of the Government on the whole thing and to save the donors' money?
Sure does not say much for our government as the government financing schemes were not intended by the founders.
redcliff, we were not talking about government money
I know.
It seems to me that Ross has a right to inquire. If they all want to lay low that's their business.
However it's appearing to me that Elk County is establsihing its own ACORN and that seems to be
what this world is coming to.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on May 06, 2011, 06:25:04 AM
Gotta step in on this one - this is so right - and typical of Elk County.
There are a lot of quiet givers here - not all donations are trumpeted.
As secretary for the church, I've seen people give cash so there would be no record. It happens sometimes at school, as well. Donations given, supplies purchased anonymously.
The family I was raised in of ten children filled a pew at church and my mother always dropped a few coins in the basket and the reason so no one would know how much she put in. It embarrassed her because we were dirt poor and I mean dirt poor. But my mother was to proud to accept charity or welfare. We learned to improvise. And it was a good life. But that really doesn't have anything to do with a public company that ask's for tax dollars does it?
Thats nice but we are not talking about a church or a school. we are talking about a company that ask's for County Government tax monies. Who is behind the organization, why the secrecy. Does your preacher and your board of elders or what ever you church uses hide from those they serve -- in your case the congregation?
Why is it that only Howard people speak up but none know who runs Elk Konnected,LLC. As much as Elk Konnected, LLC knocks the county in the Kansas Country Living Magazine and praises their self I find the dispecable. I assume that is whay the rest stay in hiding.
I really feel like saying some ugly stuff but I will refrain. I just don't like ugly and I don't like hiding from the truth.
Quote from: ELK@KC on May 06, 2011, 07:54:05 AM
Ross, for what earthly reason do you want to know who donates what to what, and why would you think it is any of your business whatsoever. You really do have problems.
That's a fair question and I will try my best to answer it, honestly.
As I have questioned on other pages on this forum. Elk Konnected, LLC denies using taxpayers dollars, even while on duty as a County Commissioner. (There is no blurr) She steps right up and denies it. I pointed out that the person that spoke immediately before me represented them self as Elk Konnected, LLC Youth Services and asked for money. And yet she said, we don't use tax payer dollars.
They claim to have recieved donations of $50 each fro 60 people and companies but at the same time they recieved a school grant for the same amount (taxpayers dollars). Too much of a coincidence. The local companies have advertisement at every rodeo they contribute to. What's so different about Elk Konnected, LLC if it is such a great an glorious effort. It sounds very deceptive, I would think a great thing would be open and honest and want to clear any misunderstandings. But not Elk Konnected, LLC.
Elk Konnected, LLC won't step forward and I am not refering to the volunteers they recruit, there is a big difference.
I don't really care who the individual's are that donate, it's just not human nature for so many to refuse recognition.
Quote from: ELK@KC on May 06, 2011, 07:54:05 AM
Ross, for what earthly reason do you want to know who donates what to what, and why would you think it is any of your business whatsoever. You really do have problems.
I sense that you are Elk Konnect, LLC and that's cool. Sure I expect you to deny it.
But I have strong ESP skills. ROFLMBO :)
Quick someone call the sheriff :police: , get Ross outta here.
What if I am Elk Konnect, how do you know I am not a person that you MIGHT be talking about????? :angel:
Oh, that's right, I just do their talking for them!! LOL!!! And I am uneducated enough and don't have enough money to be part of Elk Konnect!! Isn't that right, Ross!!! >:(
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 06, 2011, 09:49:35 AM
What if I am Elk Konnect, how do you know I am not a person that you MIGHT be talking about????? :angel:
So what no big deal. If so you just admitted to be hiding. But also you didn't say Elk Konnected, LLC the actual legal name of the company. You apparently have no knowledge of Elk Konnected, LLC's internal operations.
I am trying to talk with not a but Elk Konnected, LLC. Talking to by asking and answering questions, openly and honestly.
Have a great sunshiny day. I have to get back to my rat killing, (work). I don't use that four letter word to much because I enjoy what I do.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 06, 2011, 09:57:17 AM
Oh, that's right, I just do their talking for them!! LOL!!! And I am uneducated enough and don't have enough money to be part of Elk Konnect!! Isn't that right, Ross!!! >:(
Wow, I am so sorry you feel that way. I never said any such thing about you. You must have misread something.
I don't know anything about you and even if I did I would never be so rude.
Quote from: redcliffsw on May 06, 2011, 08:23:05 AM
I know.
It seems to me that Ross has a right to inquire. If they all want to lay low that's their business.
However it's appearing to me that Elk County is establsihing its own ACORN and that seems to be
what this world is coming to.
Thanks redcliff.
You make a good point, ACORN.
"Finding the right Question is more valuable and rewarding than finding the right Answer."
Leif Ericsson
Ross: Perhaps the questions that you ask are valid ones. And pray tell - what will you do with the answers if they are not what you expected? Like perhaps an honest answer with a valid end result? (Sometimes I won't answer a question that is easy to answer, but the process in order to obtain a simple end result may be very complicated within the law and just not worth the effort to explain. And, no. I am not affiliated with the ElkKon LLC.)
I can understand your frustration at trying to 'unearth' the questions you put forth, just not so sure just asking the questions might not be perceived as a pre-predjudice of mistrust for an organization.
I am in agreement to be informed within the workings of the community. Remember, "bristling (is that a word?) is a natural reaction to questions of intent in this area. Not to say that the questioning isn't warranted....yet somehow I believe it can be achieved perhaps in a different manner. Just my opinion. ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 06, 2011, 12:38:31 PM
"Finding the right Question is more valuable and rewarding than finding the right Answer."
Leif Ericsson
Ross: Perhaps the questions that you ask are valid ones. And pray tell - what will you do with the answers if they are not what you expected? Like perhaps an honest answer with a valid end result? (Sometimes I won't answer a question that is easy to answer, but the process in order to obtain a simple end result may be very complicated within the law and just not worth the effort to explain. And, no. I am not affiliated with the ElkKon LLC.)
I can understand your frustration at trying to 'unearth' the questions you put forth, just not so sure just asking the questions might not be perceived as a pre-predjudice of mistrust for an organization.
I am in agreement to be informed within the workings of the community. Remember, "bristling (is that a word?) is a natural reaction to questions of intent in this area. Not to say that the questioning isn't warranted....yet somehow I believe it can be achieved perhaps in a different manner. Just my opinion. ready
Not that is exceptional reading. Thank You.
Wasn't La Cosanostra know as a benevolent society?
6dogs: La Cosanostra was indeed benevolent....in some ways to the 'feeshies!' ;D
You are welcome, Ross.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on May 06, 2011, 01:54:59 PM
Wasn't La Cosanostra know as a benevolent society?
In current times, so are Hamas and Hezbollah in their respective communities. Yet again we see that all that glitters ain't gold. Sometimes it's important to know something about background and inner workings.
And if I lived in areas of Muslim culture (of which I have), that may be a true statement. However, we were talking about Elk County and Elk Konnections. I only see a biased Konnection to that statement.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 06, 2011, 05:35:13 PM
And if I lived in areas of Muslim culture (of which I have), that may be a true statement. However, we were talking about Elk County and Elk Konnections. I only see a biased Konnection to that statement.
Biased, in what ways?
Anything that is different than why I think, then they are suspicious. "They" being an anomoly to our area.
spell check police alert!!!!! :police: a-n-o-m-a-l-y sorry
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 06, 2011, 06:01:20 PM
Anything that is different than why I think, then they are suspicious. "They" being an anomoly to our area.
Let me be more specific... in middle eastern regions where the two groups operate quite openly and demonstrate considerable political influence. Better konnected?
In that scenario, I will agree.
In Elk County the 'openess' is sometimes treated with 'you're too radical' or if an organization kept to oneself with it's meetings, then it becomes 'you're too secretive'.
As my granpappy and others used to say "We've never done it that way, so therefore it is wrong" It doesn't mean it is...it just means 1. granpa didn't understand the inner workings of the machine or 2. He was just a cautious man.
It is my philosphy that all that matters is: 1. The end result is for the greater good. 2. Accountability must be held.
I see accoountability is at questionable issue with the Elk Konnected based on boundaries set by law and it's methods of operation.
a-n-o-m-a-l-y
spell check police
had to look it up myself.
I have see too many a small towns ruined by the "good ole boy" system (which, in fact still exists in our higher government agencies).
I do not like it...most do not like it except the 'good ole boys'. Favoritism at its best, and sometimes people in high places, even in a small town loves to pull strings. Is it right and fair? no. Is it happening? yes. Can we stop it? ???????????? ???
I REALLY need to slow down my typing....sorry Patriot..
It just dawned on me that Patriot may have been responding to sixdogs....my apologies Patriot for jumping into your conversation :-[
No problem Ducky, I just threw in that thought to stir the pot a little. ;)
no problem 6. looks like the melting pot is simmering on this thread.
Going to sleep. Irrespective of the differences, I do respect all of your opinions..Thank you all. ready. out.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 06, 2011, 06:46:53 PM
It just dawned on me that Patriot may have been responding to sixdogs....my apologies Patriot for jumping into your conversation :-[
Not a problem. You were correct in pointing out my ambiguous 'they/their' illustration. It seems there's already plenty of obscure ambiguity to go around! Of course, when we finally discover who the EK admitted members are, we can stop referring to them as 'they' too. ;D Thanks.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 06, 2011, 06:20:40 PM
In that scenario, I will agree.
In Elk County the 'openess' is sometimes treated with 'you're too radical' or if an organization kept to oneself with it's meetings, then it becomes 'you're too secretive'.
As my granpappy and others used to say "We've never done it that way, so therefore it is wrong" It doesn't mean it is...it just means 1. granpa didn't understand the inner workings of the machine or 2. He was just a cautious man.
It is my philosphy that all that matters is: 1. The end result is for the greater good. 2. Accountability must be held.
I see accoountability is at questionable issue with the Elk Konnected based on boundaries set by law and it's methods of operation.
When a county commissioner is involved with aa company that is asking for tax payers money of the county from the county commissioners there is just noway there is no conflict of interest. Where is the ethics in that? And I'd bet your granpappy would agree not because that is they way it use to be but because it is the right thing. What do you think?
If the end result is to do away with city government's as suggested in their list that I am sure you might agree would not be for the greater good.
Elk Konnected has only polled a very small percentage of the county, maybe 5 or 6 % and has way fewer than that as volunteers. They are delivering lolipops to a very few of the populous, while knocking the majority of the communities in there letter written to them selves praising them selves. I suppose your granpappy would probably say we didn't do it that way, so therefore it's wrong.
I think I would like your granpappy.
I thought one commissioner only had one vote.
More elk county citizens have attended Elk Konnected events including the wind farm pilot conversation than have voted in the last elections.
Elk konnected by design doesn't favor one community over another. We have events in all areas. Blood was let and work was done for the last few years cleaning up every town in the area. Elk konnected committees have by structure and rigid design a member from all communities in each group working on a problem that the county population in a community conservation voted,suggested, wrote down on a piece of paper.
Why is it so hard to change what is obviously broken? Where is the disconnect between bringing the local town together. They share similar problems. Why are you against getting together to solve them?
You keep praising the kid activities but slam the rest of the agenda. Guess who set the agenda the citizens that chose to attend and charge elk konnected to solve the problems presented. The same elk county populous that votes in every election. The same people in elk konnected meetings are city council members, school board members, commissioners, emts, business, agriculture, and children. You forget a lot the elk konnected members are teens. Membership are free non-binding and open to everyone.
Ross, you by choosing to show up to the community conversation became a member of elk konnected. We are have a service learning day on the 23rd what community service task can I sign you up for to help local youth see that grownups do give back to their community? Need a paint brush or a broom?
Quote from: ADP on May 06, 2011, 09:55:11 PM
I thought one commissioner only had one vote.
...Membership are free nonbonding and open to everyone...
...Ross, you by choosing to show up to the community conversation became a member of elk konnected.
Is that a properly admitted membership as defined by Kansas law? If so, would you be kind enough to scan and post the legal document (LLC Charter of Organization) or other official EK LLC document that makes this 'membership' provision? Or do you even have a clue as to what I'm asking? Enough with silliness about brooms and paintbrushes. The question was straight, so how about a straight answer. While you're at it, what the heck is a 'free nonbonding' membership?
I don' t think you have a clue what you are asking. I know you have no clue who has the answers. I also know you don't want answers you want drama. You want controversy.
I asked a simple question do you want to help the students on service learning day or not?
Are you mature enough to help the next generation or just all talk?
Quote from: ADP on May 06, 2011, 10:20:50 PM
I don' t think you have a clue what you are asking. I know you have no clue who has the answers. I also know you don't want answers you want drama. You want controversy.
I asked a simple question do you want to help the students on service learning day or not?
Are you mature enough to help the next generation or just all talk?
You didn't ask me anything and you want to get personal now? I know exactly what I'm asking, and I have more than a clue who has the answers. And so do you. Your feigned knowledge of what I want is erroneous. I really want some honesty, for a change, from the horse's front end. Test your own assumptions, produce the answers to the questions asked.
Your verbose deflections, sidesteps and distractions to date, while amusing, are not helpful at all. Just more of the same smoke screen that's been blown about for some time. It begins to appear that you have been selected to operate as the unofficial official in that regard. Sorry the same old rhetoric is still the same old rhetoric.
Frankly, this is beginning to look like the same process used to try and saddle the taxpayers with a $5.5 million bond in recent times. Appears to feature many of the same players. Has much the same smell, too. All for the kids, right? Where are the hot dogs being given away? Moline? Elk Falls? Grenola? When it comes to obfuscation the Obama political machine has nothin' on you, that's for sure.
Quote from: ADP on May 06, 2011, 09:55:11 PM
I thought one commissioner only had one vote.
More elk county citizens have attended Elk Konnected events including the wind farm pilot conversation than have voted in the last elections.
Elk konnected by design doesn't favor one community over another. We have events in all areas. Blood was let and work was done for the last few years cleaning up every town in the area. Elk konnected committees have by structure and rigid design a member from all communities in each group working on a problem that the county population in a community conservation voted,suggested, wrote down on a piece of paper.
Why is it so hard to change what is obviously broken? Where is the disconnect between bringing the local town together. They share similar problems. Why are you against getting together to solve them?
You keep praising the kid activities but slam the rest of the agenda. Guess who set the agenda the citizens that chose to attend and charge elk konnected to solve the problems presented. The same elk county populous that votes in every election. The same people in elk konnected meetings are city council members, school board members, commissioners, emts, business, agriculture, and children. You forget a lot the elk konnected members are teens. Membership are free non-binding and open to everyone.
Ross, you by choosing to show up to the community conversation became a member of elk konnected. We are have a service learning day on the 23rd what community service task can I sign you up for to help local youth see that grownups do give back to their community? Need a paint brush or a broom?
Quote from: ADP on May 06, 2011, 09:55:11 PM
I thought one commissioner only had one vote.
More elk county citizens have attended Elk Konnected events including the wind farm pilot conversation than have voted in the last elections.
Elk konnected by design doesn't favor one community over another. We have events in all areas. Blood was let and work was done for the last few years cleaning up every town in the area. Elk konnected committees have by structure and rigid design a member from all communities in each group working on a problem that the county population in a community conservation voted,suggested, wrote down on a piece of paper.
Why is it so hard to change what is obviously broken? Where is the disconnect between bringing the local town together. They share similar problems. Why are you against getting together to solve them?
You keep praising the kid activities but slam the rest of the agenda. Guess who set the agenda the citizens that chose to attend and charge elk konnected to solve the problems presented. The same elk county populous that votes in every election. The same people in elk konnected meetings are city council members, school board members, commissioners, emts, business, agriculture, and children. You forget a lot the elk konnected members are teens. Membership are free non-binding and open to everyone.
Ross, you by choosing to show up to the community conversation became a member of elk konnected. We are have a service learning day on the 23rd what community service task can I sign you up for to help local youth see that grownups do give back to their community? Need a paint brush or a broom?
You said, "Ross, you by choosing to show up to the community conversation became a member of elk konnected."
I am so happy you pointed that out I have tried to get that point across to the folks of Elk County. Your help is much appreciated.
You may think I joined Elk Konnected by your trickery however I was there to ask questions of Elk Konnected, LLC and not really wanting to talk with the man from Leoti, Kansas that you hire to control your so called community conversations. Which is not allowed.
People Please study the structure of the two hi-lighted statements, his and mine. He only refers to Elk Konnected not Elk Konnected, LLC. He assumes I joined elk Konnected merely by showing up at the last Community Conversation which is not an Elk Konnected, LLC meeting. Even though I did not sign their register I am still considered to have joined. Because I did not sign their register and accept their little grade school colored star, I could not have been counted as one being present.
You said."I thought one commissioner only had one vote."
You are quite correct, however that in it's self is influence. And it has been my direct observation during interaction with the County Commissioners that another defends Elk Konnected, LLC. Also the fact that all three showed up at a political action committees community conversation concerning money that the county may or may not get shows tremendous bias on their part. They themselves as elected officials and leaders of the county could have done the same thing, held their own meeting. They could have taped the meeting just like their regular meetings and the secretary that we pay could have composed a list. No major thing. And then their would be no bias involved. After all it is all based on maybe's and if's. no guarantees.
You asked, "Why is it so hard to change what is obviously broken?
What is broken? Who says it's broken? If a couple of people who run Elk Konnected, LLC say it's broken, then and only then it's broken, is that it? If everything is centrally located in Howard then I suppose it won't be broken any longer.
You said, "More elk county citizens have attended Elk Konnected events including the wind farm pilot conversation than have voted in the last elections." Perhaps that is because you offered them a lollipop. Their opportunity to discuss $1,000,000 that may or may not materialize, you were offering to allow them to be heard. If you held the same so called community conversation and told them up front they would have a wear a little star and to sit in circles and that they could not talk to people that wear the same colored star and then would have to change circles when the whistle is blown and that the leader in the circle could censor what they want to censor. Also include that anything discussed would further be filtered by Elk Konnected, LLC. A greater number of people just wouldn't show up. At what voting poll has ever offered that, they aren't even allowed by law to offer real lollipops.
You said, "Guess who set the agenda the citizens that chose to attend and charge elk konnected to solve the problems presented." I have attended two of your community conversations and the agenda was set up and ran by Public Squares Communities, LLC's Mr. Woodbury. He told everyone where to sit and who they could talk with and instructed people what to talk about. So I don't get your remark.
You said, "We have events in all areas. Blood was let and work was done for the last few years cleaning up every town in the area." What blood? And if all this cleaning has been accomplished by Elk Konnected, LLC why is some guy running around Howard putting up signs saying clean it up or something to that effect? Is Elk Konnected, LLC doing a bad job? Was Elk Konnected, LLC involved in the biggest clean up of the year? The county had their recycle people and people from independence at the rodeo grounds handling, what looked like tons of junk. Really, I don't want to fault your efforts however I won't delete the previous remarks because it shows I can loose track of the real issues.
You said, "Elk Konnected committees have by structure and rigid design a member from all communities." Only one?
I appreciate the offer to help however, I do my own thing, I don't need an organization to tell me how to help my friends and neighbors. I have given fresh farm eggs to people, I have helped people get their car started, I have tilled gardens and many other things for people with out asking for so much as a nickle for gas and I have refused money when offered. I help when ever I can. I have even given trailer loads of compost to people to use in their gardens, no charge. It is the simple principle of neighbor helping neighbor and has been around for a very long time without the control of committee. Not long after moving here, someone stuck a knife in my tire and a man I did not know stopped and gave me a hand changing the tire and provided a flashlight as well. And none of it is done to get publicity in the newspaper or to receive any form of recognition. This is the kind of thing that really needs to be enhanced. Open friendly and helpful people not organizations, people. But you are entitled to do what you do as well but why the secrecy that's all I'm asking? Who is Elk Konnected, LLC, how is it organized, does it have a board of governors, a secretary, a treasurer? Who controls the organization? Is it the man from Leoti? Does Elk Konnected have written by-laws? I don't see how answering simple questions like this can harm Elk Konnected, LLC. If they continue doing the good things and are open instead of a secret organization and stay out of government then they will have my praise?
I sincerely thank you for coming forward.
Why is it so hard to change what is obviously broken? Where is the disconnect between bringing the local town together. They share similar problems. Why are you against getting together to solve them?
You keep praising the kid activities but slam the rest of the agenda. Guess who set the agenda the citizens that chose to attend and charge elk konnected to solve the problems presented. The same elk county populous that votes in every election. The same people in elk konnected meetings are city council members, school board members, commissioners, emts, business, agriculture, and children. You forget a lot the elk konnected members are teens. Membership are free non-binding and open to everyone.
Ross, you by choosing to show up to the community conversation became a member of elk konnected. We are have a service learning day on the 23rd what community service task can I sign you up for to help local youth see that grownups do give back to their community? Need a paint brush or a broom?
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Quote from: ADP on May 06, 2011, 09:55:11 PM
The same people in elk konnected meetings are city council members, school board members, commissioners, emts, business, agriculture, and children.
Thay may be true, but are they Elk Kopnnected, LLC or just volunteers to do the bidding of Elk Konnected, LLC?
In Elk County they are volunteers not being coerced by anyone. They do it because they like the camaraderie and the results obtained by working together. Elk County has had clean up days long before any Elk Konnected, LLC was formed.
I am thinking you are assuming that Elk Konnected, LLC and Public Squares Communities, LLC are one and the same. I think not. I think that Elk Konnected, LLC is just what it says, Elk County. Public Communities, LLC is another organization entirely to which Mr. Woodbury belongs. EKLLC has hired PCLLC to help conduct meetings in such a way as to be the most productive and Mr. Woodbury is the associate that caught the job. And as in the case of hiring someone, that someone has been paid for their services. Is Mr. Woodbury still here directing the actions of our EKLLC members? And before you ask it again, yes, an outsider can obtain results that insiders cannot get just because of who they are and the conflicts that exist within the county. The idea of separate circles of people who are not familiar with each other's opinions already can produce more ideas, whether workable or not, than a group of friends who have already discussed the subject to death.
You, sir, are making a mighty mountain out of a tiny molehill, the occupants of which were doing just fine until you started picking them to pieces.
Enough, already!
The point has been made that several of you don't like the connections among Elk Konnected and the various government entities in the area.
Now go talk directly to the people whose connections you don't like.
I was brought up with the notion that if you have a problem with someone, go to that person and work it out. I think it's time for all of you guys to take that step.
Your dislike of the set-up is clear. You guys are definitely articulate. Go talk. :D
I agree:
It's about semantics, not the end result. There have been several threads started resulting in the same argument (and I use that term lightly). With a conversation, there must be a listening part involved with an opened mind of the information, given or perhaps in this case, not given.. Either way....good luck guys in searching for the truth. It is probably out there and people aren't speaking it just to irk you...LLC, BS, LTD, BFD. It is a matter of linguistics and legalese.
It's all about the end result and accountability.
All records you have spoken about is accessible by the Open Records Policy. Do a little leg work and go face to face.
This is in response to anyone who is questioning the LLC. ready
Couldn't agree more Wilma and Mom70X7.
Quote from: Wilma on May 07, 2011, 12:23:12 PM
In Elk County they are volunteers not being coerced by anyone. They do it because they like the camaraderie and the results obtained by working together. Elk County has had clean up days long before any Elk Konnected, LLC was formed.
I am thinking you are assuming that Elk Konnected, LLC and Public Squares Communities, LLC are one and the same. I think not. I think that Elk Konnected, LLC is just what it says, Elk County. Public Communities, LLC is another organization entirely to which Mr. Woodbury belongs. EKLLC has hired PCLLC to help conduct meetings in such a way as to be the most productive and Mr. Woodbury is the associate that caught the job. And as in the case of hiring someone, that someone has been paid for their services. Is Mr. Woodbury still here directing the actions of our EKLLC members? And before you ask it again, yes, an outsider can obtain results that insiders cannot get just because of who they are and the conflicts that exist within the county. The idea of separate circles of people who are not familiar with each other's opinions already can produce more ideas, whether workable or not, than a group of friends who have already discussed the subject to death.
You, sir, are making a mighty mountain out of a tiny molehill, the occupants of which were doing just fine until you started picking them to pieces.
You said, "In Elk County they are volunteers not being coerced by anyone." No one has said anything about anyone being coerced except you from what I have read. I have no complaints what so ever about Elk Konnected doing their feel good stuff and have never said I do.
You said, "Elk County has had clean up days long before any Elk Konnected, LLC was formed." I agree, so what's the point? It isn't some new thing thought up by Elk Konnected, LLC.and that simply points out that you are self sufficient and don't need Elk Konnected, LLC to do what you have always done. You don't need Elk Konnected, LLC to take credit for your hard work. Is that what you are saying? Elk Konnected seems to say everything is broken and I disagree with that. If government is broken vote in new people, don't undermine the system. I simply don't like Elk Konnected, LLC attitude of control of everything and Lying about using tax payers money. Elk County is a great place to live.
You said, "I am thinking you are assuming that Elk Konnected, LLC and Public Squares Communities, LLC are one and the same." No I have never said or implied they are one and the same. I have said the Elk Konnected has used taxpayers dollars to hire Public Squares Communities, LLC. And if you were to study Public Squares, LLC 's web
site you would see that the man requires tax payers dollars. dollars by stipulating they acquire funds from county and city governments. And he requires it every two years.
You said, "Mr. Woodbury is the associate that caught the job." Actually Mr. Woodbury is the President/owner.
You said," You, sir, are making a mighty mountain out of a tiny molehill, the occupants of which were doing just fine until you started picking them to pieces."Who exactly am I picking on? And how am I picking on that person?
You said, "The idea of separate circles of people who are not familiar with each other's opinions already can produce more ideas, whether workable or not, than a group of friends who have already discussed the subject to death." So you say and that's fine with me that you believe that. Keep doing it. I really don't care.
I really don't believe that you do not understand that you are not Elk Konnected, LLC and that is who I have been trying to communicate with. Now I don't say that to be offensive. If you are one of Elk Konnected's volunteers on one of their committees or in some other functions I am proud of your efforts. Keep up the good work.
I seem to be getting accused of many thing's that are not true, but that's okay. I won't let it bother me or lose sleep over it. After all this is an open forum and a person can say anything they want. And that is also know as freedom of speech.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on May 07, 2011, 01:05:10 PM
Enough, already!
The point has been made that several of you don't like the connections among Elk Konnected and the various government entities in the area.
Now go talk directly to the people whose connections you don't like.
I was brought up with the notion that if you have a problem with someone, go to that person and work it out. I think it's time for all of you guys to take that step.
Your dislike of the set-up is clear. You guys are definitely articulate. Go talk. :D
You said, "Enough, already! Go talk." I tried that and almost got thrown out of Elk Konnected, LLC's community conversation that was open to the public. When the man from Leoti called for the sheriff, I excused myself and left. So we are trying to talk right here on this open forum.
You said, "You guys are definitely articulate." Why thank you for the compliment, Compliment graciously accepted.
You said, "I was brought up with the notion that if you have a problem with someone, go to that person and work it out." Do you know who that person or persons are exactly? So, you see this is an ideal forum for discussion. And this also allows anyone interested to join the conversation or just to read and decide for themselves what is happening. A great tool for everyone. And if you notice I am not hiding behind a fictions name.
I like the idea that Elk Konnected, LLC wants to do for the kids and too haul trash and painting and I hope they continue to do so. That is high ideals. Go Elk Konnected, LLC. Just be truthful and open. However, I heard of the discouraging way that they handled the painting of the playground in Elk Falls, it just wasn't copasetic. So remember the word ethical.
Quote from: Patriot on May 06, 2011, 10:10:51 PM
Is that a properly admitted membership as defined by Kansas law? If so, would you be kind enough to scan and post the legal document (LLC Charter of Organization) or other official EK LLC document that makes this 'membership' provision? Or do you even have a clue as to what I'm asking? Enough with silliness about brooms and paintbrushes. The question was straight, so how about a straight answer. While you're at it, what the heck is a 'free nonbonding' membership?
Patriot, do you reckon that free bonding membership must mean that the real members some kind of bonded members?
Quote from: ADP on May 06, 2011, 10:20:50 PM
I don' t think you have a clue what you are asking. I know you have no clue who has the answers. I also know you don't want answers you want drama. You want controversy.
I asked a simple question do you want to help the students on service learning day or not?
Are you mature enough to help the next generation or just all talk?
You said, " I asked a simple question do you want to help the students on service learning day or not? Is that like copied from the community of Longton? They have been doing that for a few years. The teachers and perhaps even some of the school staff go out with the kids and have a great time.
You said, "Are you mature enough to help the next generation or just all talk?" That is akin to using the kids as a weapon. Not nice.
Ross, all I know about you is what I have read of your postings on this forum. There isn't any of it that I like. You have a problem with a county commissioner. Go talk to her. Your main complaint is that you weren't welcomed with open arms at a community meeting when you started making demands instead of cooperating with the purpose of the meeting. Everthing that I have said I have derived from what you have written. It doesn't take a moron to understand what you are saying and what you are saying is nothing. You have repeated and repeated and asked questions of people that do not have the answers. Why don't you give up and find a source that does have the answers? I am tired of you. Good bye.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 07, 2011, 01:23:15 PM
All records you have spoken about is accessible by the Open Records Policy. Do a little leg work and go face to face.
Unfortunately, that statement isn't true. The following information is not available via public records and has been asked for informally. None of this information has been forthcoming. Unfortunately, without knowing who the admitted members are, this is really the broadest informal venue in which to seek answers. The only two avenues remaining are more formal... civil lawsuit or criminal complaint.
Who formed EK, and who receives the limited liability protections?
Are volunteers protected from any liability for work done for or with EK?
Does EK have liability insurance? How much? Through what insurance company?
Who pays the damages if a windshield gets broken at an EK sponsored ballgame?
What happens if one of our youth gets hit by a car while picking up trash along the highway at an EK sponsored cleanup?
Do the kid's parents sign any liability waivers before their kids participate in EK functions?
What about adult volunteers? How are they protected in case of injury?
What is the nature & content of any Operating Agreements, and amendments, created by Elk Konnected, LLC pursuant to KSA 17-7663 et seq.
What's contained in records filed with any taxing authority relating to any tax exempt status of Elk Konnected, LLC and any correspondence between Elk Konnect, LLC and those taxing authorities.
Copies of all Annual Reports filed with the Kansas Secretary of State by Elk Konnected, LLC since its' inception.
What are the name(s) of any Manager, past or present, of Elk Konnected, LLC as defined by KSA 17-7663 et seq.
What are the names of all persons admitted as members (past & present) pursuant to KSA 17-7686, the Articles of Organization or any operating agreements of Elk Konnected, LLC also indicating their share of partnership interest in the LLC. If any admitted member is a corporation, LLC, LP or trust, also indicate the names of that member's directors, officers, partners, or trustees and beneficiaries.
Copies of any contracts, agreements or other documents relating to the ongoing operations or associations that Elk Konnected has
with any parties whether admitted members of Elk Konnected or outside parties.
Information reflecting any payments (in cash or services) made to admitted members or outside parties for any services rendered to Elk Konnected, LLC. since its' inception.
Information & records relating to any grants received from government, quasi-government and/or private sources, showing the source, nature and purpose of such grants and the disposition of all grant monies received.
Information & records relating to any loans received from government, quasi-government and/or private sources, showing the source, nature and purpose of such loans and the disposition of all loan monies received.
Any records reflecting all assets (tangible or intangible) owned by by Elk Konnected, LLC, and the net present value of those assets.
Records identifying details regarding any property, real or personal, currently leased or rented by or on loan to Elk Konnected, LLC., including the property owner's name and address.
The name and address of any attorney of record for Elk Konnected, LLC.
The name and address of any Certified Public Accountant or other accountant or bookkeeper currently or previously serving Elk Konnected, LLC.
The number and total dollar value of all contributions or donations received by Elk Konnected, LLC since its' inception.
I don't think you "care" about these things, I just think you are a long winded pain in the ass.
where's the little clappy hands thingy????? You cracked me up Roma :D
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Quote from: Patriot on Yesterday at 09:05:09 pm
Unfortunately, that statement isn't true. The following information is not available via public records and has been asked for
Patriot it sounds like some kinda weird love affair you have going on with them outta state ladies. I mean isn't that a compliment for an old goat like you to be long winded? LOL Some people love in the weirdest ways. I mean a put down can really be a compliment some times. It's just to funny. You must be a movie star or something in disguise.
I just had to harrass ya Patriot, no offense meant. LOL
It's the disguise part that locks em in, Ross. Kinda like Zorro, I guess... The men wanna fight & duel and the women just can't stay away. Was Zorro a bandit or a good guy. To those in favor of the status quo, he was a bandito. Yeah, right. lol No, I think it's really about not having an interest in the truth.
ROFLMBO :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I'm just saying I think it's time you guys went to these people (the ones you're upset with and/or think aren't being open enough) one-on-one and talked with them.
Have you tried that?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on May 08, 2011, 10:26:27 AM
I'm just saying I think it's time you guys went to these people (the ones you're upset with and/or think aren't being open enough) one-on-one and talked with them.
Have you tried that?
And who would that be? You have been following these threads, yes?
Quote from: Patriot on May 08, 2011, 01:00:48 PM
And who would that be? You have been following these threads, yes?
Patriot that was my exact sentiments and thought about posting it, but couldn't figure out what good it would do.
How's yer day going?
QuoteAnd who would that be? You have been following these threads, yes?
Yes, I have. Several people have been mentioned in other threads. Have you talked to any of them? Have you talked to any of the county commissioners? Individually, one-on-one?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on May 08, 2011, 02:51:54 PM
Yes, I have. Several people have been mentioned in other threads. Have you talked to any of them? Have you talked to any of the county commissioners? Individually, one-on-one?
I must have missed the identity of any names mentioned as legally admitted members of EK. Please show me.