Medicare to pay for $93,000 prostate cancer drug
Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:12 pm PDT
AP - Medicare officials said Wednesday that the program will pay the $93,000 cost of prostate cancer drug Provenge, an innovative therapy that typically gives men suffering from an incurable stage of the disease an extra four months to live.
http://news.yahoo.com/s//ap/20110331/ap_on_he_me/us_prostate_cancer_drug_medicare
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Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on March 31, 2011, 02:44:23 PMGOOD
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I don't give a shit HOW much it costs...if it battles cancer GOOD!
If they are going to die and they want an extra four months, they can pay for it themselves. I don't want to pay for it. Sounds harsh but too bad.
Don't fall over when it dawns on you that what you propose would be "RATIONING OF CARE"!!!!!!
Quote from: mtcookson on March 31, 2011, 03:03:12 PM
If they are going to die and they want an extra four months, they can pay for it themselves. I don't want to pay for it. Sounds harsh but too bad.
Well, thanks for clearing that up for me...I was wondering what the cost of a human life was.
I gotta tell ya, I find it confusing that the "conservative" bunch in this country, will rant about God, guns, and strong family morals, while spending billions to kill millions of people, yet barely lift a finger, let alone a dime, to save people. Confusing really.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 31, 2011, 03:05:05 PMDon't fall over when it dawns on you that what you propose would be "RATIONING OF CARE"!!!!!!
Considering the government isn't even allowed to do this what I propose is nowhere close to being rationing of care. What I propose is called; Taking care of yourself.
Sure, there are situations where a person can't afford the help and that's where donations from helpful citizens comes into play. Donations could do so much more good than the government EVER could. They just simply steal our money and unconstitutionally distribute it to others. The government will do it as poorly managed and as inefficient as possible because that's how government runs.
Did you know a nurse working with a Medicare/Medicaid patient can spend about 15 minutes with a patient and then is required by Medicare/Medicaid to do charting of that short visit that can take up to an hour or more? When it comes to Medicare/Medicaid more time is spent writing up required paperwork about the patient and visit than is actually spent with the patient. Inefficient and not very cost effective. Instead of doing pointless paperwork they could be helping others but no, that's the government for you.
Quote from: Varmit on March 31, 2011, 09:51:37 PM
Well, thanks for clearing that up for me...I was wondering what the cost of a human life was.
I gotta tell ya, I find it confusing that the "conservative" bunch in this country, will rant about God, guns, and strong family morals, while spending billions to kill millions of people, yet barely lift a finger, let alone a dime, to save people. Confusing really.
If I want to help someone I would be more than happy to do it myself, on my terms. If I had a friend or family member I would most definitely help in any way I can and I've even donated money to help the needy that I don't know. I do NOT need the government taking my money and giving it to someone, I can donate my money myself just fine and it will probably be put to better use anyway.
You should see some of the people they allow to be put into Medicare/Medicaid. There are some that won't even follow SIMPLE instructions to take care of themselves, their houses are beyond dirty and crawling with bugs, they have money to buy new TV's and cigarettes and junk food yet go to Medicare because they "can't afford" their medication and likely will end up not even taking their medication, some even going as far as selling some of their meds. Give me a break, I am NOT paying for someone like that to live longer. If they want help to live longer they need to clean up their act, clean themselves up, and do what they're supposed to do to stay healthy before I would consider helping. I don't particularly want to help someone that won't help themselves.
(edit: forgot to say Medicare
and Medicaid. fixed now.)
No one gets put into medicare until they reach 65 years of age. Do your homework.
And?
Oh yeah, and people under 65 can actually qualify for Medicare and Medicaid doesn't have that age limit.
Edit: I see why you're trying to get at now. That last part was supposed to say Medicare/Medicaid. Fixed.
Quote from: greatguns on April 01, 2011, 08:59:35 AM
No one gets put into medicare until they reach 65 years of age. Do your homework.
I'm 50 and get medicare, not medicaid
What!? You mean the Gov't is taking my good money and giving to a bee and goat man? How awful! ;D ;D ;D How often do you have to prove you are still disabled?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 01, 2011, 12:54:24 PM
What!? You mean the Gov't is taking my good money and giving to a bee and goat man? How awful! ;D ;D ;D How often do you have to prove you are still disabled?
PRove? I did that when i got on disability. I can still work according to SS. 20 hours a week if i am able. THe rules allow for me to work. But for the most part i am not able to put in that many hours. There isn't any rule on me keeping bees or goats
Steve, I'm not serious, just poking ya. Honest! I keep waiting for you to come out with a cool line of honey and goat's milk soap.
Last I knew anyone on disability, after two years, is eligible for Medicare. I don't know about Medicaid. As far as the drug is concerned I always wonder what the heck it is that causes it to cost that much.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 01, 2011, 08:00:21 PM
Steve, I'm not serious, just poking ya. Honest! I keep waiting for you to come out with a cool line of honey and goat's milk soap.
Well Sarahs working on the soap line. :D i'm just going to do honey. I've got some ideas i am working on. One of which is habenero or jalapeno honey. Also garlic honey. Basil and oregano honey too. Just different spices added to it. You can eat it like it is or use it for cooking.
I've got a half gallon of crystals in the kitchen i am messing with. Going to turn some into honeybutter or spun honey. I can take the crystals and add it to a bucket of honey and turn it all into crystals and make spuh honey.
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on April 01, 2011, 08:16:18 PM
Last I knew anyone on disability, after two years, is eligible for Medicare. I don't know about Medicaid. As far as the drug is concerned I always wonder what the heck it is that causes it to cost that much.
When your approved for disability, Medicare starts 2 years from date you filed for disability.
Depending on the state you live in you may or may not qualify for medicaid. Kansas requires you to spend your income down to under 900 dollars before they assist with medicaid or foodstamps. And they do not count your housing. They only count a portion of your rent or housing cost. Essentially before i could possibly get medicaid, i would have to spend 5000 dollars on medical expenses before they will help.
I'd rather they gave the money to my family rather than a bunch of rich hospitals and doctors.
There is no guarantee of living 4 more months and I 'd rather just let go then live in misery
witch i don't believe would be good for me or my family.
It's just doctors and pharmacuticles attempting to play god for big bucks.
Quote from: Ross on April 05, 2011, 09:30:25 AMI'd rather they gave the money to my family rather than a bunch of rich hospitals and doctors.
I'd rather they didn't spend it to begin with. They don't have that kind of money to spend right now and aren't even supposed to be using our money on it.
I'm a bit conflicted right now on whether Medicare should just be completely shut down and we cut our losses or shut it down and grandfather in those that are already on it. Either way you basically have to punish everyone and pay the debt down. Its what we deserve though for constantly letting these idiot big government politicians in. Bright side is our future population will be much better off.
Sadly, its never going to happen though. I see a depression that puts the Great Depression to shame before we would actually get any sense and stop this insanity.
I know this is off the subject, but why should I be paying in to SS if when I will be old enough for it, there won't be any money there????? Don't you ever wonder about this mt???
As for medicare or medicad, I don't have health insurance, I pay out of pocket and pray to God that nothing major comes up. I had to have a sono and another test and paid for them out of pocket, on a monthly payment. Much cheaper for me than any health insurance will ever be. LOL
Quote from: Ross on April 05, 2011, 09:30:25 AM
I'd rather they gave the money to my family rather than a bunch of rich hospitals and doctors.
There is no guarantee of living 4 more months and I 'd rather just let go then live in misery
witch i don't believe would be good for me or my family.
It's just doctors and pharmacuticles attempting to play god for big bucks.
Yeah i would too. Personally i would rather spend the last days having as much fun as i could! Skydiving, bunjee jumpin things like that
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on April 05, 2011, 10:25:44 AMwhy should I be paying in to SS if when I will be old enough for it, there won't be any money there?????
There already isn't enough money there. SS needs to be gone as well as Medicare. Its yet another inefficient, completely abused, unconstitutional power that the government should have never had.
The ONLY thing the government should be spending money on is what it needs to run (including the military). It has absolutely no business and is not allowed to redistribute money. That is why we are suffering.
Our debt is staggering... but what's even scarier and beyond staggering is our unfunded liabilities. That amount is over
113 TRILLION. SS and Medicare are part of this number. The liability per taxpayer is $1,019,076 or approximately $364,000 per person and it is continually going up even second. In the time it has taken me to type this it has gone up by
millions of dollars.
Our framers were not idiots. They setup our government the way they did for a reason. The abuse of the framers original intent is the exact reason we are where we are today. What the socialists/progressives/liberals of ANY party want is proven by history to NEVER work. Never. It can not work. Never will work. It will only end badly. Every time. End of story.
Obamacare Paid Out $2 Billion to Corporations...
A little-known provision in the Obamacare legislation has sent $2 billion to corporations, unions and state public employee systems to subsidize health coverage for retirees.
At the current rate, the government could blow through the entire $5 billion budgeted for the program before it is set to end, Byron York of The Washington Examiner reported.
The discovery by investigators for the House Energy and Commerce Committee was made just before a hearing to focus on Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight, which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services.
The CCIO oversees the Early Retiree Reinsurance Program, which was set up to subsidize insurance for workers who retired before they were eligible for Medicare, the paper said.
The early retirees often have trouble getting health insurance, an HHS report said, because of age or chronic conditions, and the program was set up to bridge the gap between retirement and the creation of health-care exchanges provided for in Obamacare come into being in 2014.
The biggest chunk of the money paid out so far has gone to the United Auto Workers, which received over $206 million. AT&T collected $140 million, Verizon $91 million, General Electric $36 million, and General Motors $19 million, the paper said.
State governments have also collected large sums with the Public Employees Retirement System of Ohio receiving $70 million and the Teacher Retirement System of Texas $68 million.
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Quote from: srkruzich on April 05, 2011, 10:29:45 AM
Yeah i would too. Personally i would rather spend the last days having as much fun as i could! Skydiving, bunjee jumpin things like that
I like your thinking. I say enjoy life and go when the time comes.