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It's the Media!

Out of context soundbites, vitriolic media commentaries/analysis, accepting/publishing outlandish advertising, the 'if it bleeds it leads' mentality.  All shoveled at the speed of light, 24/7/365, ad nauseam, to anyone with access to a TV, a magazine stand, a computer, an iPod, etc.

Maybe the incitement to violence should be placed on the shoulders of media & web operators (and their agenda driven backers) who don't recognize the difference between free speech & responsible speech.  Organizations that use their freedom of press rights irresponsibly as a license to say or publish anything, anywhere, anytime about anything.  Who, instead of protecting the public's right to know, use their freedom to publish & foment outrage for ratings & profit at the expense of reasonableness. Who, in a drive for ratings (and thereby greater revenues) spend more time 'shit disturbing' rather than reporting vetted fact.  Those same media groups who excuse a lack of fact checking with an ability to fix it later with a page 30 retraction/correction.  

Maybe government intelligence isn't the only sick oxymoron...  maybe journalistic ethics is another!

There's a word oft found missing from much media driven public discourse......  ETHICS!

None of this is written to minimize very real and serious ideological differences.  Those differences exist, to be sure.  It is to say that the current state of media often promotes, facilitates and exacerbates the class warfare that so divides & weakens our society. The media creates divisions, drives emotional passions higher and leads to implacability and and a lack of reason among the masses.  The media sometimes creates the very environment that can push the less stable among us to frustrations that act out in the most horrendous ways.  Then they have even more to write & talk about!

Ya Think? Some of us have been suggesting this for YEARS! With 24 hours a day to fill and the likes of Rupert Murdoch making billions out of our American "Free," but not necessarily, true or responsible speech, what else could eventually happen? There are a lot of unstable people out there, some who can and will be pushed over the edge with out too much trouble. It has happened before and will happen again. Perhaps it's time to stop with all the so called "innocent hyperbole" programs and understand that very large numbers of people don't get it and assume that all statements are true and are never sarcasm, allegory, satire, metaphor and especially hyperbole.  They don't understand that putting a target on some one's face is meant to be hyperbole, not a suggestion that the person should actually be killed. Perhaps these media personalities and "entertainers" should wake up and stop telling people what to do and how to think over and over and over because there are those that, given the opportunity, will do as they are told without thinking about the consequences.  You aren't really supposed to kill the umpire!

Maybe you are right Diane but makes me sick to hear the lefties blame the right and Palin for this newest tragedy  all because of Palin and her dopey bulls eye over places they needed to concentrate on winning the past election when -------

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a nearly identical map, included in a Democratic Leadership Committee publication in 2004, featured nine bulls eyes over regions where Republican candidates were considered vulnerable that year, and was accompanied by a caption reading: TARGETING STRATEGY. A smaller caption, beneath the bulls eyes, read: BEHIND ENEMY LINES. The map illustrated an article on campaign strategy by Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute

 The problem is on both sides and they ALL should stop it. The pendulum had swung far enough already and the end does NOT justify the means.

Of course, a diligent study of media will likely show that the vast majority of inflammatory story lines from mass media tend to be supportive of the liberal progressive perspective.  For example, right now we are hearing no end of S. Palin's 'Don't retreat, reload' comment, but in recent past the media made nothing of Obummer's 'We're going to punish our enemies' or  'Hit back twice as hard' comments.  We're not being bombarded with the fact that this AZ kid's favorite reading list included the Communist Manifesto.  The 'left' seem to get a distinct pass on anything  inflammatory, or inaccurate for that matter.  Not so with right leaning views.  So maybe media isn't the real problem..... maybe most media is the left and should be viewed as just an arm of the progressive ideology.  After all, when the leftonistas take over, somebody will get the 'state sponsored media' title as a reward. 

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 10, 2011, 01:32:59 PM
The pendulum had swung far enough already and the end does NOT justify the means.

I agree!  Let's do what mankind historically does in these cases... let's have a shootin' war and get this thing decided once and for all!

The  guardian.co.uk has an article placing blame for the AZ shooting squarely on right wing/republican/tea party rhetoric.

Among the comments to that article were these comments:


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Rhetorical hatred and violence went through the roof with the extreme vitriol shown towards George W Bush during his presidency, especially from the keyboards of many contributors to Guardian columns. And these same people now have the gall to try to paint this nutter, who lists the Communist Manifesto among his favourite books, as a right wing conservative.

Absolutely disgusting!


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    "Guns don't kill people, republicans do."

Yeah, when lefties kill they tend to use death camps, mass starvation, gas chambers... - not to mention bombing people they have no argument with from 50,000 feet, just to show that they're serious about "liberal" interventions.


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Maybe the rhetoric played a part, but then you do not know that. You are speculating. Further what are people supposed to do if they oppose government policies? Bite their tongue and only engage in a debate the parameters of which have been set by liberals and leftists?

I'm sure many on the left would love that, but you can not restrict free speech (at least not in America unlike the UK). Further the left can not have their cake and eat it. They use violent rhetoric all the time. Look at the language used by labour MPs and the media in support of the violent student protests, where a policeman was near killed.

Or look at the violent rhetoric used against the BNP, even on Question Time. Were they not attacked with darts on parliament Green. Was not someone else attacked with a hammer in the face?

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Frankly I think its absolutely sick that the left is trying to politicise the murder of 6 people.

The perpetrator's youtube account has been found and he lists 'the communist manifesto' under his favourite books. So this entire train of thought should more or less go out the window.

I really dont know why I continue to read the articles published by the guardian, they are getting more and more ridiculous by the day.

Let's see...a shoot out? I'll send my friend Carl, his wife June and our friend Jim M. They all shoot competitively. I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of any of them. Then there's Gene N. and Jim B. and Sam , Ed, Andy G, and Pugs the Marine.  (I'd add Scott but he's still deployed.) Geese, ducks and deer shudder to hear their names. I suppose they would be a good start. Us VS the Maniacs. By the way, I'd like to see the American liberal gas chamber. And not some duped photo cooked up by someone. All that stuff on all sides is suspect to me.Too easy to"create" what one wants someone to believe. I'm sure without much effort I could go to a few derelict farms and some run down abandoned factories and create something believable. This is bad stuff all the way around!

Your friends may be able to shoot competitively but can they do it while being shot at?  Geese, ducks, and deer don't shoot back. 

The Media had absolutely NOTHING to do with this. 

Diane,
You say you are going to send your crack shot friends to the shootout. Where exactly do you mean you're sending them too ? Maybe I should ask, where do you think this shootout will take place ? Just curious.
Good point Varmit, about  the sharpshooter being able to hit didly crap  while dodging bullets

Why, the same place you are sending yours of course. Where else would they be sent?

Diane, Aint got no "yours ". Had Black Bean Burritos for supper and now even Kshillbilly won't join my Army---the wussie !!!

By the way, with the exception of June, who has about as much experience at being shot at as Teresa, my competitive shooting friends aren't just kids who go hunting. Varmit, Gene is 70 and the rest are all 60's and Vietnam Vets. They've  had real experience at being shot at. They don't talk about it much. Perhaps you forget how old my crowd is. We still had the draft and you can assume that most anybody in my age range went. Don't sell them short.
  Pugs and Scott are young and have recent combat experience. Scott is still there.

 :o :o :o  Oh my god, Diane!!  I ask one little question and you jump all over my case!!  Whatever happened to civility and polite conversation?  I wasn't accusing you or your friends of anything >:(  All I did was ask a simple question and you bite my head off!! I'll have you know that I have many friends that send me messages telling me how right I am and how much they enjoy my comments and posts, some of them are even from your area but they choose not to post for fear of getting accused of something. :angel:  You totally took what I said out of context and twisted it to fit your agenda.  Well, thats fine by me, no skin off my nose, I've learned to deal with it.  And so what if you had the draft that doesn't exactly make your generation a bunch of martyrs.  I'll get off here now so you can have your fun ripping my post to shreds!  Oooohhhhh the humanity!  I fear I shall never be able to bring myself to post again....Ohhhh woe is me....Ohhh lawdy lawdy!!!



Now if you'll excuse me I have to go find some more sarcasm as I seem to have depleted my reserve.

holy shit!!!!!! LMAO :P

Diane,
Only 25 % of the boots on the ground, in Nam, were drafted so don't think we can assume anyone in our age group served in combat. Granted some joined voluntarily. Then there's the small matter of it took dozens of rear echelon personnel to support one grunt / infantryman  that was actually in combat so most in a combat zone never actually see combat. Been that way for a long time and continues toady. Not nit picking---just setting the record straight. I don't say this to diminish anyone that served in a combat zone because it takes all to get the job done.

The Army's tail to tooth support ratio in Vietnam was 5 to 1.

For every man in combat operation, there were five in the rear somewhere providing combat supply and support.

After coming under fire from Congress, there was an effort after Vietnam to cut that ratio for future wars. I don't recall what, if any, revised ratio was adopted.

Apparently, considerable combat support in Iraq is provided by contract personnel. I don't know about Afghanistan.

Quote from: Varmit on January 11, 2011, 01:34:21 PM
:o :o :o  Oh my god, Diane!!  I ask one little question and you jump all over my case!!  Whatever happened to civility and polite conversation?  I wasn't accusing you or your friends of anything >:(  All I did was ask a simple question and you bite my head off!! I'll have you know that I have many friends that send me messages telling me how right I am and how much they enjoy my comments and posts, some of them are even from your area but they choose not to post for fear of getting accused of something. :angel:  You totally took what I said out of context and twisted it to fit your agenda.  Well, thats fine by me, no skin off my nose, I've learned to deal with it.  And so what if you had the draft that doesn't exactly make your generation a bunch of martyrs.  I'll get off here now so you can have your fun ripping my post to shreds!  Oooohhhhh the humanity!  I fear I shall never be able to bring myself to post again....Ohhhh woe is me....Ohhh lawdy lawdy!!!
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go find some more sarcasm as I seem to have depleted my reserve.

Poor poor Varmit!
Diane, how dare you beat up on him!  He suffers from shellshock (or some rare tropical disease)!
How can you be so insensitive!  You sound like one of them hypocritical liberals. 
S'ok Varmit.  Just take your meds and try to relax.  It'll be OK.  She doesn't realize how terrible her attack was.....

On second thought, Varmit you're a shit & deserve it all! (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/mad0245.gif)

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The Army's tail to tooth support ratio in Vietnam was 5 to 1.

For every man in combat operation, there were five in the rear somewhere providing combat supply and support.

Waldo,
Not doubting your source of info Waldo but I've read where the ratio of supporting troops is much higher. guess it just depends on who does the figuring. I guess you could look at it as if you got air support from an F-4 that was flying off the USS Bennington, that is sailing off the coast of Vietnam, you could count all the hands on the ship and say they were support personal for a platoon of 20 grunts. You call in three rounds of 105's then the whole battery becomes the support group, and the cooks that feed them, the 6 x6 drivers that deliver the ammo. Then the Huey gunship that lends you a hand and all the mechanics that keep that bird in the air. The list goes on and on. All the jobs have their dangers and it takes them all to do the job.

Oh my word!  Varmit, please DO NOT read anything into my post. I DIDN'T JUMP INTO ANY BODY'S ANYTHING!  I DID NOT TWIST anything nor do I have an agenda. I was just confirming that my friends that were mentioned did have experience beyond one way shooting of deer that don't shoot back. Good Grief! WHAT ATTACK? I didn't see your question as offensive nor did my comment intend to be. It was just question asked, question answered, that's all.  If these guys didn't have combat experience I wouldn't have mentioned them!  I have many friends who went who were medics and radio and all kinds of other things. So what? One still has shrapnel in his hands that occasionally remind him of the past.That's just the way it is. Why are you are so touchy! What is the matter with you? >:(

Diane, you are a real piece of work.  Read some of your own posts... oh, nevermind.

On second thought, just keep typin. (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/sign0023.gif)



 

Now don't you start. I get jumped on for my post and I still have no idea why. I'm "a piece of work?" It was just conversation, nothing more.

Jarhead,

I recall the 5 to 1 figure from the 1974 Sam Nunn Congressional hearings in which Congress was trying to impose their opinion of an optimum tail to tooth ratio.

There are a couple web sites that support the 5 to 1 figure in Vietnam, but there are also others that say six, seven, ten, and even twenty to one.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 11, 2011, 08:52:24 PM
Oh my word!  Varmit, please DO NOT read anything into my post. I DIDN'T JUMP INTO ANY BODY'S ANYTHING!  I DID NOT TWIST anything nor do I have an agenda. I was just confirming that my friends that were mentioned did have experience beyond one way shooting of deer that don't shoot back. Good Grief! WHAT ATTACK? I didn't see your question as offensive nor did my comment intend to be. It was just question asked, question answered, that's all.  If these guys didn't have combat experience I wouldn't have mentioned them!  I have many friends who went who were medics and radio and all kinds of other things. So what? One still has shrapnel in his hands that occasionally remind him of the past.That's just the way it is. Why are you are so touchy! What is the matter with you? >:(

Okay, seriously...Diane...I'm worried about you.  Make an appointment with your doctor...take along a shoe horn...have him use it to pry the bug outCHA ASS WOMAN!  My post was meant as a JOKE for cryin out loud.  Note the excessive use of "smileys" the abundance of sarcasm.  Cheese and Rice do you know how to play the victim.  Lighten up...and for the love of Pete...when the gerbil stops moving...take it out.

Sometimes Diane, we only pile on... (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/party0028.gif) 

Because your reactions are often disproportionate & explosive ... (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/mad0233.gif)

And you beat your head against the wall so needlessly...(http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/mad0250.gif)(http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/mad0235.gif)

Grab a friend and go out for drinks...(http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/happy0167.gif)  Try to feel the love! (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/love0062.gif)

Varmit's right.  Get that buttbug checked out. (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/love0055.gif)

As for the gerbil? (http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/sign0082.gif)   My condolences on its' passing.(http://www.emoticonsfree.org/wp-content/uploads/sign0013.gif)

Varmit, I went back and looked... there are no smiles, no laughs, nothing happy at all. There are three "shocked," one "angry," and one "angel" followed by a bunch of sarcasm by your partner in crime, and then telling me to go back and re read my own posts, whatever that has to do with anything. Considering how often I get ripped a new one for having any opinion at all, why would I think you were "joking?"  You never joke around with me. I  wish you would, but you don't and you certainly don't accept joking from me when I do it. You accuse me of "hiding" behind humor. 
What clue was supposed to make me think you were "just kidding" this time? I wish I could believe it, but once burned twice shy.  Gee, thanks. Try to feel the love?  Oh sure. From you? HA! I do know what a joke THAT is. :P  How patronizing can you get? By the way, I'm not the victim here. Open  nonfearful conversation and a good exchange of ideas is. Enjoy your victory.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 12, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
...there are no smiles, no laughs, nothing happy at all. There are three "shocked," one "angry," and one "angel" followed by a bunch of sarcasm by your partner in crime, and then telling me to go back and re read my own posts, whatever that has to do with anything....

Not all the nut cases are in Arizona.  I mean..............................

Diane, honey, quit taking the bait - you're giving them exactly what they want. They are like school yard bullies that pick at you until you react - just ignore them and have a peace filled day.

Diane watch the skunks.  The cold weather in Kansas has brought them out. ;)

Holy CRAAAAAP!!!  Diane has your doctor changed your meds or something??  In case you missed it, my ENTIRE post was scarasm based on YOUR posting style.  Did you miss the part about me saying that I wouldn't post again??   Gee, now let me think who else on here has said that...let me see...oh yes...YOU! 

Did you miss the part when I said "have fun ripping my post to shreds"??  Again...a phrase that has become pretty much a staple in your posts.
The bit about me having friends that send me messages blah, blah, blah?   Thats right, You again.

There were over four "smilieys" in that post (take note of the quotations) not something that I usually include in my posts, at least not that many.  So sorry for the confusion of not using "emotionicons" or whatever the hell the "computerly correct" term is.

As for not joking around, well you may not have noticed but I took a break from the Forum for a while.  So I thought that when I came back I would lighten up a bit.  Well I tried anyway, I thought that I would give you a dose of your own medicine, you know, play the part of the horribily offended self-righteous ruler of morals and virtue.  Guess I flopped on that one. 

By the way, did you not notice how I closed that post?
                                   
                                     
                                     

What we have here is a perfect proof that Johari Window is a valid tool.

Johari Window: A Useful Tool for Understanding Self


Johari Window - named for its creators, Joseph Luft and Harry Ingham - is a useful tool for understanding parts of self. Diagram of the Johari Window.understanding how therapy can help us live more effective lives. The four "panes" of the Johari Window represent four parts of our Self.

My Public Self is what I show others about me. My  Hidden Self is what I choose to hide from others. My Blind Spots are parts of me others see but I do not. My Unconscious Self are parts of me I do not see nor do others. We all have these four parts of Self, as shown in the Johari Window diagram, but their respective sizes vary in each of us.

A more fully aware person has a large Public Self with the other three areas small in comparison. This person understands why he acts the way he does and is genuine and open with others because he has minimized his Hidden Self and Blind Spots while working to bring the Unconscious Self to greater awareness.  He is in touch with his needs, feelings, and values - his True Self - the source of his wisdom and identity.

A generally unaware person has a small Public Self with the other three areas large in comparison. This person acts in ways he doesn't understand because outdated decisions and defense mechanisms have caused him to develop substantial Blind Spots. In addition, he is guarded and less genuine with others because he has developed a significant Hidden Self as a defense against his own deep-seated shame. In short, he has disconnected from his True Self, becoming more defended than genuine.

(http://serenityonlinetherapy.com/images/Johari%20Window.jpg)


Article with link to request online therapy:  http://www.serenityonlinetherapy.com/johariwindow.htm (http://www.serenityonlinetherapy.com/johariwindow.htm)

Wow that is a great explanation of the window

Not sure how this got here, but it's an old friend. I've used it in our teacher trainer classes. With all 56 window words. Twirl, have you used it?

I have not used it.  I have read about it and it makes sense to me.  I think that many people could relate to it. 

There is a saying that no psychotherapy is value free and I do agree with that.  The window represents one point of view, but it is not the only point of view ( no pun intended).

In the case of the Tucson shooter he is going from a small public window to a giant one.  In his booking photo he is smiling big time.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 02:05:10 PM
Not sure how this got here...

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I think his hidden self window had been pretty big before. I wonder how people would have placed the 56 words in his case. It'll sure change now!

Wow. 
Diane, you even miss the point when it IS all about you!  Absolutely amazing.

Quick!  Click this link:  http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11232.msg153976.html#msg153976 (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11232.msg153976.html#msg153976)

While some people can really relate to the inner child metaphor, others think it is a bunch of crap.  The most effective thing for people wanting to change is to find what they can relate to with help from the counselor.   

Well, P. it seems I'm being set up again. No, nothing is all about me.  But I do have a wide open gabby window if that is what you are referring to.  Most teachers do. I am most certainly not an introvert nor would that be useful to me. (That has nothing to do with politics.) It also makes me vulnurable to bullies because I don't want to believe that people are that mean or get pleasure out of humiliating people. I was wrong. I was given some good advice about you (plural) and I'm taking it.  You are never going to "fix" me so I'll be happy about being the butt of low class crude humor so give it up.  By the way, how are your brain worms today? Hamsters indeed! Phooey!
Sorry Twirl. Once again I thought there was something interesting but I was tricked again.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 03:21:17 PM
Well, P. it seems I'm being set up again.

The paranoia doesn't work.  If you had been following the thread carefully, you would see there was NO set up.  Not by Varmit at the outset nor by me. Come on, admit that your set up claim is an attempt to, again, be seen by others as a totally innocent, unsuspecting victim.  How, uh, liberal of you.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 03:21:17 PM
No, nothing is all about me.  But I do have a wide open gabby window if that is what you are referring to.  Most teachers do. I am most certainly not an introvert nor would that be useful to me. (That has nothing to do with politics.)

Feigning that nothing is all about you belies the content of many of your posts.  'Gabby window.'   Is that like a gastrointestinal disorder?  State certifications don't make teachers. Knowledge, wisdom & an ability to communicate are attributes that make teachers.  IMO you have demonstrated lack in at least one of the three.  As to your parenthetical statement...what does it have to do with?

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 03:21:17 PM
It also makes me vulnurable to bullies because I don't want to believe that people are that mean or get pleasure out of humiliating people. I was wrong.  

It's convenient justification for perpetual victim status, too. Diane, 'mean' would be picking on some innocents who were unable to fend for themselves.  Reflection of fact is not the same as humiliation.  Pleasure has nothing to do with anything. You, on the other hand, have repeatedly made it clear that you are superior to most here and possess superior knowledgeable and/or experience on everything from parsnips to plutonium.  And you've expressed that you are perfectly capable of taking care of yourself.  So knock off the 'poor victim picked on by meanies' crap.  And, yes, on some things you are quite wrong.  BTW, is the spellchecker broken, teacher?

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 03:21:17 PM
I was given some good advice about you (plural) and I'm taking it.

Good that you have other codependents to share with.  Support groups can be a good thing.  Since your supporter(s) are all silent in the foreground, we'll have to take your word on the matter as fact.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 03:21:17 PM
You are never going to "fix" me so I'll be happy about being the butt of low class crude humor so give it up.  

I see you have an adviser who's fluent in psychobabble. How nice.  Seriously, I have neither the time, the inclination nor any interest in fixing you.  If you're broken, that might be better left to professionals.  You obviously fail to see that what you write is often unclear, erratic, grammatically run on, inappropriate to the topic, self absorbed, or not well thought out.  Both subtle and direct reference to those facts publicly by persons here passes you by completely. You're blind self perhaps?  This entire dialogue with Varmit, you and myself is evidence.  With regard to fixing, as a self-help idea, go read (or re-read) "Codependent No More" by Melody Beattie.  Pay particular attention to the victim/martyr parts of the cycle.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 03:21:17 PM
By the way, how are your brain worms today? Hamsters indeed! Phooey!

Careful, that sounds like the incoherent rantings recently attributed to some really screwed up kid in Arizona.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 03:21:17 PM
Sorry Twirl. Once again I thought there was something interesting but I was tricked again.

And we exit again, the poor victim, who at 66 plus or minus, is still unable to stand the heat in the kitchen and must try to enlist sympathy from others on the way out.  Sheesh.  Must be a Delaware thing. Or maybe a volunteer firefighter trainer thing?  

WHAT AN ASS!

 I just got back from a finance meeting. Sorry, P. bait all you want, insult all you want, not rising to it, not playing tonight. Yes, my spell checker is acting up and no I didn't proof what I wrote. You enjoy whatever you found.  Still off topic. If you don't know what a gabby window is then your knowledge of Johari Window Assessment is fake. I do have one question. Do you have a quota of people you need to drive away?  I can count at least seven so far. Bye bye. :-*  ;D

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 09:47:44 PM
Sorry, P. bait all you want, insult all you want, not rising to it, not playing tonight.

I wasn't baiting actually. However, if I were baiting, you would have taken it by reacting as evidenced by your latest post.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 09:47:44 PM
Yes, my spell checker is acting up and no I didn't proof what I wrote.  You enjoy whatever you found.  Still off topic.

Always chew your bait well before swallowing.  We've been off topic for a couple of days now.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 09:47:44 PM
If you don't know what a gabby window is then your knowledge of Johari Window Assessment is fake.

I'll freely admit I've never heard the term gabby window in connection with the Johari Window model.  Which is why I asked.  Though I doubt you can find it in Luft and Ingham's work either.  If you can, Ill gladly retract this inference that you are making things up for what ever reason.  Nothing on the world wide web seems to recognize a relation between Johari & a gabby window either.  Might be something unique to your experience I suppose.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 13, 2011, 09:47:44 PM
I do have one question. Do you have a quota of people you need to drive away?  I can count at least seven so far. Bye bye. :-*  ;D

Attempts at blame, intimidation & guilt inducement!  Sorry, won't work.  As for quotas, it would be ridiculous to even try to establish such a thing.  If people leave, they are welcome to accept personal responsibility for that choice.  As are you. If you hope to influence an admin somehow by inferring these exchanges are somehow destroying this board, not likely.  I seem to recall recent talk of an upsurge in readership & participation.  And we both know you'll play again later, don't we?

Oh, while we're here... Greatguns... Thanks for your input as well.  Could you be a bit more expressive in the future?  Try to give a clear basis for the conclusion perhaps.  :)

The conclusion would come from reading your posts.  Of course opinions are just like belly buttons, everyone has one.

In the State of Kansas it is illegal to diagnose a mental disorder without a license  issued by the Behavioral Science Regulatory Board.  It is also illegal to treat a mental disorder without a license issued by the Behavioral Science Regulatory Board.