Why no salute by Obama
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By Attorney Rees Lloyd
November 26, 2010
NewsWithViews.com
A moment of national pride took place recently in the White House when
an American soldier, Staff Sgt. Salvatore Giunta, received the Medal of
Honor for bravery above and beyond the call of duty in combat in
Afghanistan.
Sgt. Giunta became the first living American soldier to receive the Medal of
Honor since the Vietnam War. He is now one of only eighty-eight (88) living
holders of the Medal of Honor.
As modest and self-effacing as he is brave, Sgt. Giunta brought further
honor to himself by his humility in receiving the nations highest medal of
valor. While he made no comment in the ceremony, Giunta said before the
ceremony that he was not at peace with being singled out for the honor as so
many other soldiers did so much. And after the ceremony, he said he would
trade the honor in a moment if he could bring back those whose lives he
attempted to save under enemy fire but was unable to save. He definitely
showed that he was an American in whom America could be proud.
In contrast, there was another first at the ceremony involving the
Commander-in-Chief, President Barack Hussein Obama, in whose conduct
the nation cannot and should not take pride: As far as is known, Obama
became the first President, the first Commander-in-Chief , not to salute the
living recipient of the Medal of Honor after presenting the medal.
It is a tradition in the military for all military personnel, no matter how
high their rank, including the Commander-in-Chief, to salute a holder of the
Medal of Honor no matter how lowly his or her rank. If General David Petreas
was to encounter Sgt. Giunta, it would be the General who would salute the
enlisted man, as a sign of respect for that soldier as extraordinary
bravery, but also to show respect to all those who have received the Medal
of Honor.
At all gatherings of veterans of the American Legion, or VFW, or other
veterans organizations, if a Medal of Honor recipient enters the room,
even a National Convention involving thousands, the proceedings stop to
render military honor to that holder of the Medal of Honor. All veterans
rise, come to attention, and salute. It is a matter of pride, of respect, of
tradition.
And, as far as is known, it is tradition that every President who has
had the honor to present the Medal of Honor to a living recipient, has
shown humility, respect, and national pride in that recipient by
stepping back and rendering a salute.
It was missing in action in the Obama presentation. He is apparently
above all that; like a God, as an editor of Newsweek once wrote.Instead of
rendering the traditional salute, after fumbling as if all-thumbs in trying
to affix the blue-ribboned Medal of Honor, Obama, equally awkwardly, tried
to hug the Sergeant. Yes, a hug for the soldier who remained at attention
with eyes front in military bearing.
But a hug is not a salute, even in the Age of Obama. While there
may be some comedic value in Obama's pathetic display, it was more
emetic than comedic. I didn't write about it at the time, so as not to
distract from Sgt. Giunta's receipt of the Medal of Honor. But days
have past, and it needs to be said.
Why? Is it naught but petty carping of poor President Obama? I think
not. He is the Commander-in-Chief who has in his power the lives of
those who serve in defense of the country, which he himself did not
deign to do. It is pointing out that this man, this professional politician,
repeatedly evidences contempt for America, for America's traditions, and for
Americans who respect those traditions.
It is as if he loathes the nation he was so desperate to lead, and be
loved by, Messiah-like. It is of a piece with his constant misquoting
of the Declaration of Independence by leaving out the words endowed by
their Creator when speaking of unalienable rights.
Perhaps more aptly: It is of a pathetic piece with Obama's penchant for
declining to abide by the U.S. Flag Code when the Flag passes to place
his hand over his heart. Instead, he drapes his arms down and enfolds
his hands at his crotch Michael Jackson-style. It is now mocked as
Obama's crotch salute. But it isn't funny. It is contempt by Obama
for the Flag, for America.
Perhaps it is unfair to criticize this President of the United States
for displaying such contempt for American traditions. Perhaps it is too
much to expect an American President to salute a recipient of the
military Medal of Honor when that president never served in the uniform
of his country; has said that the Rules For Radicals of the
America-hating socialist revolutionist Sol Alinsky are seared into my
[his] brain; who launched his political career in Chicago from the
living room of the revolutionist Weather Underground rich-brat-bombers
Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn; and who sat for twenty years in a pew
of the church of Rev. God D...n America Wright, being marinated in
hate-filled, grievance-filled, self-defined anti-white and a revolutionary
Black Liberation Theology.
Then again, perhaps it is not too much to expect anyone who would be
America's president to at least respect American traditions, including
honoring the Flag, and saluting those who receive the Medal of Honor.
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whose work has been honored by, among others, the California Senate and
Assembly, and numerous civil rights, workers rights, and veterans
rights organizations. He has testified as a constitutional expert at
hearings before the U.S. House and Senate representing The American
Legion.
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Well, I'll get attacked again I suppose, and I agree President Obama would have looked better if he did salute that brave young man but it is certainly not unheard of. (My comment is no way personal.) The "Critical Past" site.... and others. Eisenhower, Ford, Nixon did not salute, and Reagan gave a hug too. I know you folks can't stand the President but there are a bunch of writers out there who make a lot of assumptions and don't fact check as they should.That is how misinformation gets passed along. Did the "awardees" salute the president? I don't know. Since the draft stopped and an awful lot of men don't have military service any more, some of the protocol information is being lost in time I think. It used to be that the salute was for the uniform or rank, not the person in it, the flag not the bearer and the award not the wearer. The winner got a hand shake and a verbal thank you. I think I'm right but some of you would know better than I what is done now. My information is Viet Nam era and is very old.
I also doubt the good Sgt. made the crack about the salute and his mother. The humble award winner wouldn't be likely to do such a thing! By the way, if you got that information from "Maggie" she has since corrected it.
From what I could find, a handshake and a thank you is what is expected from Potus. Once again this president is being criticized when he did nothing wrong.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on December 07, 2010, 07:48:46 PM
From what I could find, a handshake and a thank you is what is expected from Potus. Once again this president is being criticized when he did nothing wrong.
So you mean its not ok to expect the President to go beyond what is expected of him when all other presidents before him have exceeded the bare minimum by saluting?
He's a poser! He's worse than the employee that won't do what is needed because it isn't in his job description. OH i forgot, he did say that it was above his pay grade before!
HOLY SHIT!!!....Are you people really that stupid?? We are not talking about a simple award here...it is the Medal of Honor....the highest award that our Nation can grant!
Oh, and By the way...did you idiots forget that the President is the COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! Therefore he should have an understanding of the Military Customs and Courtesys. A Medal of Honor wearer is saluted regardless of rank. A four star General will snap to and salute a private that has earned the Medal of Honor.
Pull your heads out of your asses and quit making excueses for that piece of shit in the White House!!!
QuoteA Medal of Honor wearer is saluted regardless of rank. A four star General will snap to and salute a private that has earned the Medal of Honor.
This is true.
(coulda done without the F-ING RUDENESS however)
Right you are Varmit. It is a custom and a courtesy to salute a MOH winner but it is not a law. It is "strongly recommended " to do so and as we both know, in the military, strongly recommended means" you damn sure better do it if you know what's good for you
Quote from: jarhead on December 08, 2010, 12:55:36 PM
It is "strongly recommended " to do so and as we both know, in the military, strongly recommended means" you damn sure better do it if you know what's good for you
Absolutely true, MRSc2u. But honoring such customs requires honor, self discipline, humility, conscience & a loyalty to American customs & values. These are traits that about 35% (read: liberal progressive) of our population don't possess. That would be the red, diaper, doper baby constituency. Then there's another 10% or 20% that, while the claim to be independent, really have so little passion that they will excuse the behavior of the 35% and even look to poor behavior of others to justify it. Or will minimize by saying the issue is one of minutia. I'm sick to death of the commie loving fools in the 35% and rapidly running out of 'tolerance' for those who seem to so easily excuse/justify their Marxist bent. Ignorance & laziness are not excuses. He who can't be trusted with the smallest of things probably can't be trusted with the biggest.
Another question to answer please, because I really don't know. Is the medal of honor a permanent part of the awardee's uniform once it is awarded, or is it only worn to certain kinds of functions or any that require dress uniforms?
By the way, the only reason I mentioned the other Presidents was because the original writer said, and then corrected, that Obama was the only President to not have saluted the MOH awardees and that wasn't true. You sure do throw labels around easily. ;D ;D ;D
I am certainly surprised that all you ex military guys do not know that the medal of honor winner does not receive the salute, but the medal itself is the recipient. And Steve, President Obama is certainly not the only president not to salute; I saw at least two videos of ceremonies where the president did not salute. And I dare say that had he saluted he would have been villified for grandstanding, trying to upstage that brave soldier. In a sense the rightwing crazies are doing just that, taking away from this brave mans' deeds.
As far as small things being taken care of; may I ask why many of our local parades do not have the colors carried anymore? Most of the older vets who have done it till now, can no longer physically do so. Why is it that so many of the veterans associations are closing due to lack of interest? Why is it that so many do not know that they should uncover and stand during flag presentation? Why are the only vets to honor the dead in the cemetaries the old ones and none from wars or actions past Viet Nam? Consience and loyalty to American values and customs? Really? I might suggest that it be revived right here in Elk county. No child should be ignorant of the respect our military and flag deserve, and no adult should be so lazy as to not be willing to teach these values and to live them.
And I have always found that the more I am cursed at and belittled the less likely I am willing to go along with the curser/belittler; I am funny that way.
As far as my question about when and how the medal can be worn, never mind, I found it for myself, plus a lot of other interesting information. It comes with a special pension for life, automatic admission to the military academies for their kids and some other interesting benefits.
Still not sure why people are saying that the Presidents I named that did not salute are acceptable even though they didn't...but Pres. Obama isn't? Why no righteous outrage about them? They were the highest ranking in the land too. I really don't get it. Selective anger? Lack of information? Loss of objectivity? What is it? You say he should have known better. Who should have advised him? Aren't those ceremonies practiced and rehearsed? Surely there were ranking military personnel who told him what to do and how everything should have been done to most honor the awardee. No, I'm not trying to "protect" him , so don't start on that.
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Although not required by law or military regulation, members of the uniformed services are encouraged to render salutes to recipients of the Medal of Honor.
So sixdogsmom ,the MOH does not get the salute but the recipient does. As to why should Obama salute when other presidents in the past have not done so . Just because other Presidents didn't do the right thing I guess it's OK for Barry to do the same ? I have no use for Obama but as for vilifying him for saluting, I for one would have thought more of him if he had done it.
You question why people don't remove their cap during flag presentation. Just a few years ago a law was passed that gave veterans the right to salute the flag even when out of uniform. You never salute unless you have your cover (hat/cap) on. With that being said, a Marine Corps directive says that even though the law says we can do it, out of uniform Marines WILL NOT render a salute. Don't think they would put an old fat non active duty Marine in front of a firing squad for doing it but I will do what MY Commandant tells me to do !!!
What veteran associations are closing ? I was just at the Independence VFW this evening and slammed a couple of Margaritas and the place seemed to be hopping .
Sorry, guys; I cannot find a single photo of any president saluting a MOH recipient, or even an account of it happening. Jar, I am happy that the VFW in Indy is well and happy however many across the country are suffering decline with the aging of the vets from WWII and Viet Nam. As far as your quote, what is it quoted from? And you know that I would never criticize a veteran for saluting a flag with his cap on; I was speaking of the clods who stand there with their caps/hats square on their heads, scratching their behind or spitting as the Colors pass by. :'( Most of these guys never served and haven't a clue what it's all about. However I do wonder why the younger vets are not participating in parades or ceremonies for fallen comrades? And why are they not helping to educate the younger ones than themselves? Jar, I do hope that you show respect for the colors even though you might not render a salute.
I met one Medal of Honor recipient while I was on active duty. It was in my Finance Office in Bangkok, Thailand, in 1972. The man was Captain Roger Donlon, who was awarded the medal for action in 1964.
By the time he came into the finance office, he was a major and almost 40 years old but with a flat top hair cut, a strac military appearance, and he was a very impressive looking man. He eventually retired as a colonel.
The only way I knew about him was from reading Time magazine several years earlier. He was the first man to receive the Medal of Honor in Vietnam.
When I first saw him I took a mental note of a senior officer being in the office and then noted his name tag. I thought his name was familiar and remember thinking "holy cow!" or words to that effect. As I looked up to the ribbons above his name tag, he was wearing the Medal of Honor ribbon and then I knew immediately who he was. I do not recall what unit he was assigned to or what he was doing in Bangkok.
In the Army at least, the ribbon, which is the same size as any other, substitutes for the medal on the normal Class A working uniform, i.e., the green uniform, or back then khakis during the summer or in warm climates, such as Thailand. Needless to say, it would never be worn on the Class B uniform, i.e., fatigues.
He would wear the actual medal on special occasions when attired in the Army dress blue uniform, which some folks like to compare to the late 1800s cavalry uniform worn in the movies. However, on the very few special occasions in which dress blues were to be worn, the senior command officer would often put out the word that only ribbons and no medals would adorn the uniform.
I recall talking to him and shaking his hand but do not remember the conversation.
Did, I salute him? No, we were inside. He reportedly now lives in Kansas.
At one time every hero received an identically designed medal. There are, today, three different Medals of Honor. One design is awarded to Army members, one design is awarded to Air Force members, and the third design is awarded to Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard. Prior to about 1965, Air Force members received the Army version.
At the time he was in Bangkok, Donlon was getting $100 per month as a recipient of the medal. I did not ask him, I knew because I was a finance officer. The amount received for a Medal of Honor was doubled by Congress in 1979. Until 2003, Congress would periodically up the amount. After 2003, the amount has been adjusted annually for inflation. The last I have heard, a recipient was receiving $1,194 per month in 2008.
DDurbin once mentioned on the forum that a Medal of Honor recipient during WWII was a young man who came from Moline. His name was Leon Johnson and he later became a four star AF general.
My father was in the navy. As I was growing up, I remember him talking all the time about it. I was very proud of him. I even thought of going into the navy and then decided against it later. I am very scared of heights and flying. LOL! I am going to be honest, I don't know much about the medal of honor and all. But what I do know is that it takes a very big act of bravery and honor to even get it. As with all men and woman serving our country past and present, I have the utmost respect for them! I am a cousin who is currently in the army. He has been to Iraq and is going to be heading back either there or Afganistan in January after his daughter is born. I have several friends that are in the Armed forces, too.
To get to my point, it does show Obama's colors that he didn't saluate this man. As for the other presidents, I think they should have, too. But Obama is in a sticky enough situation, why would he not have done it? He knows that his approval rating is like at 0! But still again, he shows us that he has no respect for what our soldiers do everyday! They risk their lives for us and also for him, yet he can't seem to lift his arm and saluate him!! >:(
Diane, I see your points. But I am so disgusted with Obama right now and this just makes things worse on him! My husband and I are one of the millions out there who have no health insurance. We pay as we go to the doctor. Does it hurt our pocket books, yes. But I don't want to be told by anyone that I have to buy insurance. I have looked and looked for some cheap for us and we can't find any. I don't want him to tell me that we have to pay an ungodly abmount for insurance that we can't afford. As we are both self employed, and are having a hard enough time putting food on our table.
The right thing to do is saluate!! That is my opinion!!
I am gonna put my butt in the soup and take a stab at why people arent that het up about whether or not previous presidents saluted as compared to Obama........
Gonna call a spade a spade (AS in the card suit as in tell the unvarnished truth as I see it).......
1. He is an American president with a "muslim" name during a war with Islamic extremists.....
2. since he has a "muslim" name people figure he must be a closet muslim.....
3. admit it or not...it's partially because he is a BLACK president with a "muslim" name.......
4. He has ideas and opinions that dont wash with the uptight, conservative bent.....
I could probly come up with a couple more but face it...it's basically because he's black and has a muslim name.
I dont care for a LOT of the ideas being put forth by the ultra-liberals while they temporarily have the reins....but then again I dont care for most of the positions of the ultra-conservatives either LOL. Face it I dont care for MUCH about the government period but blamin the president for everything that happens when hes just the figurehead for Congress......the people WE......like to admit it or not.....ELECTED to tell us what we gotta do. Just cause "our" side isnt in charge at the moment.....(as in "our" insert your own side) us plain people will just keep on keepin on till "our" side comes around again and all the pissin and moanin and blamin and cussin each other AIN'T gonna make it happen any sooner than its gonna happen.
Well, allow me to retort...
I think the reason folks aren't "villifing" other PAST presidents for not saluting is because, this is where it might get complicated so pay attention, ...THEY AREN'T THE CURRENT PRESIDENT. I don't give a hootin' hell what color he is, what religion he is, or what his name sounds like, I don't like the bastard because of what he and his cronies are doing to my country.
By the way, WE the people don't elect our representatives to tell us what to do. Quite the oppisite in fact. We elect them to be our voice in the federal gov't. They are supposed to follow this document called the Constitution of the United States of America, something that should be required reading but obviously isn't.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on December 09, 2010, 09:04:01 AM
I am gonna put my butt in the soup ...
I could probly come up with a couple more but face it...it's basically because he's black and has a muslim name.
Oh, bull$hit! The premise of your observation is that those opposed to Mr. Obama are basically racist, islamophobes. Some time away from MSNBC & Mr. TinglyLeg Matthews might be in order. LOL
I finally found the whole ceremony and watched all 24 minutes of it. It was in the East Room of the White House with other MOH honorees ,military buddies, his family etc. Frankly it was nicely done, IMHO, and was all about the young man and our other brave young men serving. It did seem to have been rehearsed because young 'Sal" knew exactly when to turn to have the medal placed around his neck. Is the fact it was indoors and nobody was covered why nobody saluted anybody? Just wondering. Even Al isn't sure any more because things do change. Angie, I do see your points too! You may have to get in line! ;D Depending on what happens on the 15th the stock market may take another nose dive to the detriment of everyone who has chosen to be in it. Frankly, I'm unhappy with the whole pack of them right now.
I seem to remember a time that Clinton was criticized because he tried to return a salute. Seems that not having been military, he shouldn't have made the attempt. Unfortunately, my memory isn't too good especially about things that didn't mean a lot to me at the time. Does anyone else remember anything like this?
Quote from: Patriot on December 09, 2010, 09:45:47 AM
Oh, bull$hit! The premise of your observation is that those opposed to Mr. Obama are basically racist, islamophobes. Some time away from MSNBC & Mr. TinglyLeg Matthews might be in order. LOL
BULLSHIT!!!!! I can cuss and holler too. Big whoop. No it doesnt mean those opposed to Obama are racist islamaphobes.....It MEANS he is BLACK (or white dependin on who you talk too)....People THINK he is a muslim......which admit it or not are the two major insults people throw out there. More pointedly...they think he is a black muslim NONamerican "pretender to the throne".
I dont watch MSNBC and I dont know who the hell Tinylegs Mathews is so back the f^^k off me and I'll not be rude when speaking to YOU
You are right Wilma I remember somethin about that too.........
QuoteBy the way, WE the people don't elect our representatives to tell us what to do. Quite the oppisite in fact. We elect them to be our voice in the federal gov't. They are supposed to follow this document called the Constitution of the United States of America, something that should be required reading but obviously isn't.
Right....thats the way it is supposed to work but when is the last time it DID work that way?? Anybody even remember?? Yet we keep pretending that it is so.
Wilma, Pres Clinton was criticized at first for saluting while not in uniform.That got straightened out .Then he was criticized for giving a very poorly done salute. Any more there are so many versions of who should and should not salute , dressed how and at what occasion. I'm not sure there is an entirely correct answer. Since this discussion started I've looked at a number of sites and for every 10 people there have been eight different opinions. One site said it was Pres. Reagan who started giving a military salute while in civilian clothes, when he chose to salute at all. It would seem to me that anything that is meant to be honorable and respectful should be permitted by civilians. Active military should do as their regulations state they should do. Personally I think the military people who are attached to the White House for protocal assignments should be left to handle that and be trusted to do it correctly, regardless of who the President is at the time.
He was criticized for not rendering a proper military salute to the Marine enlisted man coming off the Marine chopper. The Marine gave him a spiffy salute and Clinton tried to return the gesture. I saw it on TV and was embarrassed, to say the least. There was so much uproar, his White House military aides drilled him on how to properly salute. But the damage was done.
In those early days, many thought he did it out of disrespect for the military. I have seen salutes from senior military officers that were wimpy, but one does not say anything and moves on. Additionally, a sloppy salute coming from someone that was not in the military and, in fact, dodged military service has negative implications to begin with.
The White House military aides wrote a book after Clinton left office. It was a well known fact to them and their superiors at the Pentagon that both Clinton's had no use for the military. Hillary put out a directive that the White House military staff had to wear civilian clothes (They received an initial allowance for that, by the way) so there would be no physical evidence to remind her of what she hated. She may or may not have changed her mind since then.
Ok, the reason I don't like him isn't because he is black nor muslim. I think in times that we are having now, he just should have done it. He being muslim or black has nothing to do with why I don't like him. I just don't like some of the changes that he says that he wants or has made. I just don't think point blank that he is a good president. I am not up on all of the things that he is doing, as I have enough on my plate just keeping track of my own family. But can't I just not like him? I have that right! I didn't vote for him!! So, I have the right to complain about him!!! I have to also state that I have many friends that are of different religion, faith, and color. I never said HATE!! I don't really like that word. Sorry, but I JUST DON'T LIKE HIM!! HE SHOULD HAVE OR SOMEONE FROM HIS OFFICE SHOULD HAVE STATED WHY HE DIDN'T!! Maybe there is a reason why he didn't, who knows with him!!!
Another case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.
When I was growing up we saluted the flag with a military salute, the edge of the hand to the forehead. Also, the flag salute did not contain the words, "under God" and the Star Spangled Banner was sung the way it was written. Might it be that I am just getting old?
So this whole salute thing was a tempest in a teapot written by someone who didn't know any better? Nobody, including the President saluted because the ceremony was indoors ,covers were not worn, so saluting was not and would not have been done anyway, which would also explain why other Presidents didn't either? Why didn't one of you more current military guys say that in the first place? ;D
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on December 09, 2010, 02:32:06 PM
... back the f^^k off me...
No thanks. I like a challenge.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u
Gonna call a spade a spade (AS in the card suit as in tell the unvarnished truth as I see it).......
...I could probly come up with a couple more but face it...it's basically because he's black and has a muslim name.
My mistake. Your words really didn't say
others were racist or islamophobic. Your words said that as
you see it (the derision against Obama) is based on race or religion. That would limit the aura of racism to
your view, not the views of others. My guess would be that the following probably more accurately summarizes the majority position on the matter...
Quote from: angtown3
Ok, the reason I don't like him isn't because he is black nor muslim. I think in times that we are having now, he just should have done it. He being muslim or black has nothing to do with why I don't like him. I just don't like some of the changes that he says that he wants or has made.
My guess would be that you are correct about the salute indoors part Diane; this would explain why no president has done it. I would suspect that it would have been different if the ceremony had been held on the Whitehouse lawn. Angie, I agree a snappy salute would have been cool, but there is protocal for everything military and indoors uncovered is not the place.
LOL Patriot pounce on the person who dares to speak the truth. Did I say it was YOUR truth? My truth or Angies truth? No I did not. I said it was the truth of the majority of people who dont like him.
I, myself dont give a shit about him. I didnt vote for him. Wont vote for him if he runs again.
I personally....I have a HUGE problem with Islam and I will admit it to anybody who asks me. As a philosophy I despise it. So?
I personally.....dont care WHAT color he is. Case you havent noticed...in that neck of the woods where I was born and raised there WEREN'T and as far as I can tell still ARENT any black people....Never been around very many....I dont avoid them....just dont know any. There arent any here in THIS neck of the woods unless you go to the city and I dont hang out in the city. Does that make me a racist? If you think so you OBVIOUSLY do not know me (which is really a moot point because as far as I know you dont so your judgement isnt really based on anything but your own slightly twisted sense of humor)
As a general rule I think soldiers period deserve a salute from ALL of us....ALL presidents should salute them for their sacrifice...young mens sacrifice for OLD mens arguments.
Angie I was not pointin at you or anybody else on here per se........sorry if you thought I was
Patriot I really dont have the time or the inclination for your insult games...and games is what they are :) You want to talk POINTS I'm your huckleberry......otherwise dont bother me :)
I am not sure on all branches of the military but I think Army salutes their officer--inside---when reporting to their C.O. Varmit---Waldo ???
Marines remove their cover when they go inside so they do not salute---UNLESS---they are wearing a Duty Belt, then their cover stays on. After Nam I was Sgt of the Guard at battalion headquarters at MCAS Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii. When an officer entered he removed his cover but I still snapped to attention and rendered a salute,and said ' good morning Sir" but they never returned the salute. Most mumbled something and nodded their head----unless they were in a foul mood. :)
The CiC does not have to have a cover on to salute. When he debarks the Air force one or Marine One chopper he gets saluted and returns the salute---with out wearing a cover so I assume he could salute a MOH recipient---inside---without a cover.
Slick Willie Clinton's salute was a disgrace and never improved in his 8 years. The first time Obama got off the Marine -One he shook the Marines hand instead of returning the salute. He was very quickly schooled and now returns a fairly smart salute ( damn that really hurts for me to say that !!! ) :)
Jarhead, you beat me to it (the reporting indoors bit) and you are correct.
Yes, but I can recall a number of times that I was advised to just shake hands, sit down, and not salute.
Saluting indoors also occurs during change of command ceremonies that would occur in such places as a gym.
And, I can recall that when going out of one building to another building and there was high traffic, there was no saluting and not even a cover was required. These places, though, had to be designated by the commander.
If a building has a courtyard, such as the Pentagon, there is no cover required and no saluting is required. Out of courtesy, though, a junior member would always say "good morning, sir" to a senior member.