I think that, WE as Americans, would resolve this B.S. quite appropriately.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/burn-in-hell-muslim-protesters-disrupt-british-veterans-day/
Video at link:
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While America celebrates Veterans Day on Thursday, Britons across the pond are wrapping up a similar celebration called Armistice Day. Both honor the brave men and women fighting (and who have fought) in the armed services. That didn't matter to a group of Muslim protesters on Thursday, however, who interrupted services in London with chants of "British soldiers burn in hell" and banners saying "Islam will dominate" and "Our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell."
The group of about 30 people, according to the Scottish Sun, is called Muslims Against Crusades. And while they screamed their hate, they were met by 50 counter protesters from the English Defense League:
"I'm disgusted," one mother whose son was killed in Afghanistan told the Sun.
"There are people like myself that at 11am today were remembering the lives of our children, and then there are some people doing something so hurtful as that. I think it's atrocious."
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This better not ever happen here. I'll need bail, and a good lawyer if it does.
Simple solution to a simple problem really....Just look at the numbers 30 to 50. I say let the ass whoopin' begin.
Or don't do anything at all and don't reinforce their protest and give them standing. Or exercise your free speech to respond verbally instead of believing that a physical response is necessary.
Verbally usually doesn't get it with these creeps. Be like 2 cats kicking sand on each other..
I think a good ole' American ass whuppin is what they need. ;D
Pacifist response drivel...refute these idiots with opposing free speach?
bullspit!
A healthy dose of Skinnerian Behavior Modification... slap em fast n hard.
Reasoning with unreasonable people is often a waste of time! Just like 'time outs'. Sometimes a knock out is much more effective.
Quote from: jerry wagner on November 12, 2010, 08:52:54 AM
Or don't do anything at all and don't reinforce their protest and give them standing. Or exercise your free speech to respond verbally instead of believing that a physical response is necessary.
Kinda reminds me of those Hefty Trash Bag commercials....
Wimpy, wimpy, wimpy.
Quote from: jerry wagner on November 12, 2010, 08:52:54 AM
Or don't do anything at all and don't reinforce their protest and give them standing. Or exercise your free speech to respond verbally instead of believing that a physical response is necessary.
Seriously~~Counteracting verbally? Do you want that to be calm and rational?
Something that obviously these types have not a clue to...?
I think that if I see some camel jockey who considered himself a Muslim first and an American second cheering a soldier's death, thinking he was protected by a Constitution he spits upon? I would be sorely tempted to some nasty, get your attention, violence. ( or as you put it "physical response"...
"British (American) soldiers burn in hell? You'll be saving them a seat Ahab. And take your seventy virgins and your false prophet with you". >:(
If those protesters acted up on the 11th, I wonder if they are brave enough to try something on the 14th, which is Remembrance Sunday. It's sort of like our Memorial Day when lots of poppies are sold and worn, the military units march and there is a big parade in Whitehall .The Queen lays a wreath on the cenotaph there. There are huge crowds that might not be so tolerant. After all, they have been dealing with real IRA attacks and bombings for years and have plenty of experience as to who is a credible threat and who is just the mouth that roared.
Or maybe they'll see it as the ridiculous display ( 30 people, WOW!) that it was and not show up. Publicity seekers all.
1. You cannot group the IRA in with muslim radicals...totally different.
2. "...the ridiculous display ( 30 people, WOW!) that it was and not show up. Publicity seekers all." The "protesters" interupted a memoral, not the other way around.
Quote from: jerry wagner on November 12, 2010, 08:52:54 AM
Or don't do anything at all and don't reinforce their protest and give them standing. Or exercise your free speech to respond verbally instead of believing that a physical response is necessary.
No sir!! I would rather execrise my common decency and beat these bastards to death. I mean honestly, if they don't like where they have migrated to then perhaps they should take their worhtless asses back to whatever pesthole they came from.
Quote from: Varmit on November 12, 2010, 11:56:27 AM
1. You cannot group the IRA in with muslim radicals...totally different.
2. "...the ridiculous display ( 30 people, WOW!) that it was and not show up. Publicity seekers all." The "protesters" interupted a memoral, not the other way around.
No sir!! I would rather execrise my common decency and beat these bastards to death. I mean honestly, if they don't like where they have migrated to then perhaps they should take their worhtless asses back to whatever pesthole they came from.
Then I would clap at your court hearing where you were sentenced, for you lowered yourself to their level. The gross majority do not support their ridiculous protest, but you don't prove your worth by responding with violence.
It occurs to me that this kind of bulls$hit isn't new.
We saw tons of it from know it all student types in the 60's as well. Now, some of those same braindead knowitalls have positions of political power & social influence & cancerous infection of our public educational system.
And look at what they have accomplished... global warming frauds, PETA, ELF, an active communist party in America (which btw is a strong supporter of many democrat agenda items), Obummercare, trillions in wasted spending and 'programs' that rarely produce results that justify the expense, judicial activists that both deny and undermine the core values of a civil society as evidenced here daily in posts that highlight so much foolishness.
Seems to me the cost of a good ass whippin (or a headshot) back in the day would have been far less costly than what we ended up with.
Of course, it may not too late to start. ;D
Quote from: Patriot on November 12, 2010, 12:23:09 PM
It occurs to me that this kind of bulls$hit isn't new.
We saw tons of it from know it all student types in the 60's as well. Now, some of those same braindead knowitalls have positions of political power & social influence & cancerous infection of our public educational system.
And look at what they have accomplished... global warming frauds, PETA, ELF, an active communist party in America (which btw is a strong supporter of many democrat agenda items), Obummercare, trillions in wasted spending and 'programs' that rarely produce results that justify the expense, judicial activists that both deny and undermine the core values of a civil society as evidenced here daily in posts that highlight so much foolishness.
Seems to me the cost of a good ass whippin (or a headshot) back in the day would have been far less costly than what we ended up with.
Of course, it may not too late to start. ;D
You know it should not be surprising to you that many viewed right wing groups as potential terror threats with their constant references to killing those they disagree with. It would appear you respect the bill of rights even less than those you decry since you would kill those that disagree with you.
Saying your dead are in hell and our dead are in paradise sounds about the same level as the Wesboro "church".
Quote from: jerry wagner on November 12, 2010, 12:14:10 PM
Then I would clap at your court hearing where you were sentenced, for you lowered yourself to their level. The gross majority do not support their ridiculous protest, but you don't prove your worth by responding with violence.
Its not about proving a persons worth. It is about common decency. People (and I use that word loosely) like the protesters and those that support them are nothing more than human boils. They abuse the rights that REAL men fought for. If they don't like the fact that America and her allies actually fight for freedom, then like I said, they should return to their own country. And, sometimes violence is exactly what is called for.
As far as Right-wing terrorists...the only ones who thought of them that way are those on the left. As for killiing those that disagree you, there have been far more vicitims of left wing groups than those on the right. By the way, since you brought up the subject, can you name any right-wing terrorist groups??
Quote from: Varmit on November 12, 2010, 01:32:51 PM
Its not about proving a persons worth. It is about common decency. People (and I use that word loosely) like the protesters and those that support them are nothing more than human boils. They abuse the rights that REAL men fought for. If they don't like the fact that America and her allies actually fight for freedom, then like I said, they should return to their own country. And, sometimes violence is exactly what is called for.
As far as Right-wing terrorists...the only ones who thought of them that way are those on the left. As for killiing those that disagree you, there have been far more vicitims of left wing groups than those on the right. By the way, since you brought up the subject, can you name any right-wing terrorist groups??
I didn't name any right-wing group as a terrorist group, rather I referred to the likelihood of right-wing groups being referred to as potential terrorist threats.
Varmit. You are losing me. What and who do you consider a terrorist "group?" Those who threaten only, with lots of hot air, posturing and saber rattling intended to scare and intimidate people, or those who actually follow through with violence, injury, kidnapping and/or death. Depending on how you define it, I could name a bunch of right wing terrorists. ;D They post on here on a regular basis. ;D And "common decency?" That sure gets spooned out in small portions, on all sides! Common decency seems to not have any value any longer. Political anger and hate seem to be the only currency now and I do mean everywhere.
Quote from: jerry wagner on November 12, 2010, 12:49:27 PM
You know it should not be surprising to you that many viewed right wing groups as potential terror threats with their constant references to killing those they disagree with. It would appear you respect the bill of rights even less than those you decry since you would kill those that disagree with you.
1. Before we discuss respect for the Bill of Rights, let's look at the fundamentals behind the Declaration of Independence & the bloodletting that was necessary to be freed from tyranny... the tyranny that many on the left embrace in the form of love of government and government intrusion that abridges both the Declaration & Bill of Rights.
2. I never suggested killing anyone. Just making their stupidity very uncomfortable. It would seem I'm not alone in that sentiment.
3. Terrorists?!? LOL Take a look at the
peaceful demonstrations of the left, from the SDS in the 60's/70's to the state teat suckers in Greece & France, to the little lefty whiners in London just this week. Damage to property, assault, personal injury, etc. Find some significant similar behavior on the right. Tell you what, you, Diane & Dr. Spock go reason with your left wing kindred. I'll pass as I've learned that you can't reason with the unreasonable.
BTW, I'm more than capable of injuring/killing snakes, wildcats, bears and even 2 legged critters that present a clear & present danger to me, my family or even you, jerry. Only in your case I might delay definitive action to allow you time to reason with them first.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 12, 2010, 02:52:50 PM
... Depending on how you define it, I could name a bunch of right wing terrorists. ;D They post on here on a regular basis. ;D
Really? Since you opened that can of worms, please do name them. We will all be relieved to know the enemy.
I don't need to open worms unless I'm fishing. Lighten up would ya. ;D You folks are the ones always talkin' big about bustin' a cap on somebody "one bullet at a time" etc .etc. etc. Ya don't think I take any of that seriously do ya? If I did then you are you own worst enemies, talkin' trash at each other or about each other or blah, blah makin' threats to "them" out there, whoever they are. Now here the threats are real and you'd have something to worry about. Already this evening Wilmington has had a shooting, head shot. Now have fun this evening and play nice. Gotta go to the fire house and help keep the Newark citizens safe.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 12, 2010, 02:52:50 PM
Varmit. You are losing me. What and who do you consider a terrorist "group?" Those who threaten only, with lots of hot air, posturing and saber rattling intended to scare and intimidate people, or those who actually follow through with violence, injury, kidnapping and/or death. Depending on how you define it, I could name a bunch of right wing terrorists. ;D They post on here on a regular basis. ;D And "common decency?" That sure gets spooned out in small portions, on all sides! Common decency seems to not have any value any longer. Political anger and hate seem to be the only currency now and I do mean everywhere.
I think that in order to clearly define a group as terrorists, you first have to look at their ideology, not just their tactics. Really, its a matter of perspective isn't it? In my opinion it boils down to what side a person is fighting for. I mean, you wouldn't label the U.S. Armed forces as a terrorist organization would you? I mean, they use kidnapping, violence, injury, brutallity, and death to accomplish their goals, does that make them terrorists?
By the lefts standards, they would classify our forefathers as terrorists.
Varmit I do agree with you on this one. Frankly, I don't see any need for extremism in any direction except for declared wars where there is a defined, declared enemy, a defined right and wrong and an organized dedicated military dealing with the issues, not some self declared vigilante group. I was taking with some young friends last night and I said I was really frustrated with a few of you because you are determined to call me a raving leftist.They laughed and said "YOU? On the left, you've got to be kidding!" And they were all Republicans! Here I am known as what I really am, a moderate independent thinking person who looks into all sides of an issue and gets all the facts before I make up my mind. I'm on the fire company finance committee for just that reason. Here it's considered quite an asset. Some of you see it as a drawback, somehow evil, and that's a shame. I guess it doesn't matter.Some people like to suck up rumors and half truths and throw half bricks, some don't, some have to have some reason to be angry all the time and they will feed that need anyway they can.That's just the way it is.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 13, 2010, 11:36:19 AM
Varmit I do agree with you on this one. Frankly, I don't see any need for extremism in any direction except for declared wars where there is a defined, declared enemy, a defined right and wrong and an organized dedicated military dealing with the issues, not some self declared vigilante group. it is.
Diane.... it seems to me that you cannot grasp the situation with Al-Jihad... this is a declared war against a declared enemy... an organized dedicated military dealing with the issues. In other words, Diane, we are at WAR. These little "self declared vigilante groups" as you call them are part of this war. You have NO conception of what these people are like. I do. We are NOT dealing with "people" here. We are dealing with "the lowest form of scum." We are dealing with a very "SICK" ideology. In most cases, as strange as it sounds, these clowns want to die so they can get a piece of their ideology. As General "Stormin' Norman" Schwarzkopf said about the terrorist,
'I believe that forgiving them is God's function. OUR job is to arrange the meeting.' So I say.... One AR-15, One 30-round magazine and 30 dirt-bag, anti-British Muslim protesters equals wonderous results with very little noise... Welcome to Paradise, Dudes.
Quote from: jerry wagner on November 12, 2010, 08:52:54 AM
Or don't do anything at all and don't reinforce their protest and give them standing. Or exercise your free speech to respond verbally instead of believing that a physical response is necessary.
That's the problem with you , Jerry.... you wouldn't last two seconds going up against these clowns. Words ain't going to get it! They would chew you up and spit you out before you knew what happened.
Quote from: jerry wagner on November 12, 2010, 12:14:10 PM
Then I would clap at your court hearing where you were sentenced, for you lowered yourself to their level. The gross majority do not support their ridiculous protest, but you don't prove your worth by responding with violence.
Oh my G-D, Jerry.... a statement like that makes one wonder what side you really are on. Now tell us.... are you really a closet jihadist in camel clothing or a path-finder for the ACLU, Jerry? Like I said, "words ain't going to get it with this scum." Varmit has the right prescription when dealing with them!