Glenn Beck 8/28 rally — the death rattle of mainstream conservatism
That's why the Beck Heads and Tea Partiers are losing their country. Not because they don't attend their local mosque often enough. But they can't admit that, because that would be "racist", and losing your country is a lot better than being called "racist."
-James Edwards
http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/
The MSM (AP & WA Post) 'point of view' of Beck's Rally:
WASHINGTON -- Conservative Fox News commentator Glenn Beck issued a Christian-themed call for a national rebirth of traditional values to a massive throng that gathered Saturday on the National Mall in a mostly nonpolitical twist on a tea party rally.
Conceived and promoted by Mr. Beck, the "Restoring Honor" rally on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial drew hundreds of thousands of people on the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King's 1963 "I Have a Dream" speech, also delivered at the memorial. Although the rally's tone was heavily religious, its sheer size helped demonstrate the potential national influence of the tea party movement.
Civil rights activists organized by the Rev. Al Sharpton held a counter rally at a high school, then embarked on a three-mile march to a site bordering the Tidal Basin, not far from the Lincoln Memorial, where a monument is planned to honor Dr. King.
Mr. Beck's three-hour rally also featured an appearance by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin -- the tea party's political star -- but his event itself was not politically focused. Instead, he drew heavily on biblical and patriotic rhetoric as he exhorted the crowd to pray and serve God more.
Veterans were praised. The Declaration of Independence was quoted. For the finale, some 240 clergy joined Mr. Beck onstage and, accompanied by bagpipes, sang "Amazing Grace."
"They have come here to the Mall to stand with America and God," Mr. Beck proclaimed.
"Don't Tread on Me" flags and anti-Obama paraphernalia were on prominent display at the rally, but its vibe was different from the venomous health care protests spawned here by the tea party movement in the past year.
Ms. Palin, too, avoided overt political talk and instead referred to her son, Track, and his military service in Iraq.
"Say what you want to say about me, but I raised a combat vet and you can't take that away from me," she said.
The former Republican vice presidential nominee -- and potential 2012 rival for President Barack Obama -- offered strong, though vague, inspiration.
"May this day be the change point," Ms. Palin said. "Look around you. You are not alone. You are Americans ... Let's stand together. Let's stand with honor. Let's restore America."
A sea of people -- organizers had a permit for 300,000 -- listened, standing shoulder to shoulder across large expanses of the Mall. Some organizers put the number of attendees at 500,000; the National Park Service stopped doing crowd counts in 1997 after it was accused of underestimating numbers for the 1995 Million Man March. It was unclear how many of those who attended were tea party activists.
Along with tea party and "9/12" groups nationwide, Mr. Beck promoted the event heavily in his broadcasts. On Saturday, he noted the crowd's unease with the nation's direction.
"I know that many in this country think I am a fearmonger," he said. "It is not a label I think applies. I do talk about frightening things. But I don't think the man who saw the iceberg on the Titanic and said, 'It's an iceberg' was a fearmonger. He was warning the people on the ship"
Thousands bused in from Western Pennsylvania for the event, including about 850 people from the Pittsburgh Tea Party, said the group's organizer, Patti Weaver, of Fox Chapel.
"When people show like this," said Evie Bodick, 67, of Springdale, gesturing at the ocean of people, "it shows it does matter. We are making a difference."
The tea party movement grew last year out of a general feeling that the nation is straying from its intended path. The sour economy and an expansion of government under Mr. Obama fueled the movement that is becoming a powerful, if unpredictable, force in the 2010 elections.
Ms. Weaver said her group will not endorse candidates but will put together a voters' guide and promote candidates who support "free markets, fiscal responsibility and a constitutionally limited government." The group plans a get-out-the-vote operation as well.
"I want to see people of integrity put into office and not take advantage of power and think that they're more important than everyone else," said Bev Slais, 66, of Valencia. "Because that's what we have right now."
Ilene Hightower, 53, of Penn Hills, arrived at 5:15 a.m. to get a prime seat for the rally, which started about five hours later. Her main cause: the need for more Christianity in the public square.
"Whether they like it or not, whether it's PC or not, God has to come back to this nation or this nation will go down the road there will be no freedom in this world," she said. "There will be darkness and there will be tyranny."
On the other end of the Mall, however, others accused Mr. Beck of appropriating the message and location of Dr. King's historic speech.
As rally-goers streamed past, a group loudly broadcast a recording of Dr. King's remarks from a makeshift memorial to the civil rights leader. They displayed a sign depicting Dr. King's face next to the word "Dream," and Mr. Beck's next to "Nightmare."
Mr. Sharpton mocked the Beck event:
"The folks who used to criticize us for marching are trying to have a march themselves," he said. "We come because the dream has not been achieved. We've made a lot of progress. But we still have a long way to go."
Mr. Sharpton and the several thousand marchers who joined him crossed paths with some of the crowds leaving Mr. Beck's rally. People wearing "Restoring Honor" and tea party T-shirts looked on as Mr. Sharpton's group chanted "reclaim the dream" and "MLK, MLK."
Both sides were generally restrained, although there was some mutual taunting. Mr. Sharpton urged his group to be peaceful and not confrontational, saying "If people start heckling, smile at them."
One woman from Mr. Beck's rally shouted to Mr. Sharpton's marchers: "Go to church. Restore America with peace." Civil rights marchers chanted, "Don't drink the tea."
Eleanor Holmes Norton, the District of Columbia's delegate to Congress, said she remembers being at Dr. King's march on Washington in 1963.
"Glenn Beck's march will change nothing. But you can't blame Glenn Beck for his March-on-Washington envy," she said.
Mr. Beck has said he did not intend to choose the King speech anniversary for his rally but had since decided it was "divine providence." He, too, portrayed Dr. King as an American hero.
Mr. Sharpton and other critics have noted that, while Mr. Beck has long sprouted anti-government themes, Dr. King's famous march included an appeal to the federal government to do more to protect Americans' civil rights.
Both groups heard from members of the King family:
Alveda King, a niece of the civil rights leader, appealed to Mr. Beck's rally participants to "focus not on elections or on political causes but on honor, on character ... not the color of our skin."
Martin Luther King III said at the site of the planned memorial that his father in 1967 and 1968 "was focused on economic empowerment. He did not live to see that come to fruition."
"We have made great strides," he said, "but somehow we've got to create a climate so that everybody can do well, not just some."
Sounds like Beck finally got around to reading that book series about the rapture,------ from Robert Parham, Baptist Center For Ethics. God help me, Red I agree with you on this one. These people are working for Rupert Murdock. I have copied and pasted this article----
Forty-seven years ago to the date, Martin Luther King Jr. gave his famous "I Have a Dream Speech," a historical note that Beck and others played off.
"The story of America is the story of human kind. Five thousand years ago...God's chosen people were led out of bondage...Man first began to recognize God and God's law. The chosen people listened to the Lord. At the same time those things were happening, on this side on this land another group of people were gathered here. And they too were listening to God," said Beck.
As he spoke, two Native Americans appeared behind him to stand next to a rabbi. They were followed by a white preacher.
Facing these three individuals with arms outreached, Beck said, "God's chosen people, the Native Americans and the pilgrims."
Beck claimed, "When people came together of different faiths... the first thing they did was to pray together."
Some two hours later, during his lengthy, disjointed speech, Beck said, "This day is a day that we can start the heart of America again. And it has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with God...turning our faith back to the values and principles that made us great."
Warning that Americans were at a crossroad and had to decide what they believed, Beck said, "Abraham Lincoln found God in the stars of Gettysburg. He was baptized and gave the second inaugural. He looked to God and set men free. America awakened again."
He soon segued to Moses.
"Moses freed them. Then they forget. They wander until they remember that God is the answer. He always has been. And then they begin to trust," said Beck.
"Have trust in the Lord. And recognize that Moses and Abraham Lincoln and George Washington were men. They were just like you...Man makes a difference. What is it that these men have that you don't?...The answer is nothing...They relied on God...America is great because America is good...We as individuals must be good so America can be great. America is at a crossroads...Look to God," pled the TV talk-show host.
He told the audience of religious and Tea Party conservatives: "If you find out who God truly is, I warn you, I warn you, if you know who he is, it will be the biggest blessing in your life. But it will also be the biggest curse in your life."
Saying that America needed to go to "God's boot camp," Beck said, "We must insist that our churches stand for things that we know are true because they are universal and endless in nature."
Having recalled earlier how disciples had fallen asleep in the Garden of Gethsemane before Jesus' arrest, Beck returned to that theme of slumber. He said that the nation and its churches had fallen asleep.
Beck said that 240 years ago America had the "black-robed regiment," preachers who opposed the British and were among the first killed by the British.
"The black-robed regiment is back again today," said Beck.
On cue, 240 men and women marched up and stood behind him. Obediently with arms linked on the front row were Southern Baptist Convention official Richard Land and fundamentalist pastor John Hagee. Religious-right mythmaker David Barton stood next to Sarah Palin.
"America, it is time to start the heart of this nation again. And put it where it belongs. Our heart with God," proclaimed Beck.
Claiming these clergy represented the thousands of clergy in the audience who represented 180 million people, Beck said, "We can disagree on politics. We can disagree on so much. These men and women don't agree on fundamentals. They don't agree on everything that every church teaches. What they do agree on is that God is the answer."
He called for a group of bagpipers to play "Amazing Grace."
Mixing Christian faith with military images, the rally included video clips of soldiers, flags and eagles. The Bible was also read.
C. L. Jackson, pastor of Houston's Pleasant Grove Missionary Baptist Church, prayed for the "ministry of Glenn Beck."
The crowd - as viewed on Beck's own streaming video broadcast - had very, very few people of color.
The white audience listened at one point as two African-American men read different passages from the Bible and two Africa-American women sang solos with recorded tracks.
Another African-American woman, Alveda King, a niece of Martin Luther King Jr., gave a sermon, referencing "Uncle Martin," failing public education, the "womb war" and hope that prayer would one day be welcomed back in public schools.
No amount of Bible reading, sermons masquerading as prayers and Christian hymns can cover up Beck's civil religion that slides back and forth between the Bible and nationalism, between authentic faith and patriotic religion.
He treats the "American scripture" - such as the Gettysburg Address - as if it bears the same revelatory weight as Christian Scripture.
What is important to Beck is belief in God - God generically - not a specific understanding of God revealed in the biblical witness, but God who appears in nature and from which one draws universal truths.
Not surprisingly, Beck only uses the Bible to point toward the idea of a God-generic. He does not listen to the God of the Bible who calls for the practice of social justice, the pursuit of peacemaking, the protection of the poor in the formation of community. Beck has little room for God's warning about national idolatry and rejection of fabricated religion.
For Beck, God-generic is a unifying theme and religion is a unifying force for what appears to be his revivalist agenda for Americanism - blended nationalism and individualism.
Robert Parham is executive editor of EthicsDaily.com, where this essay first ran, and executive director of its parent organization, the Baptist Center for Ethics.
Those authors just don't get it...amazing.
Quote from: Varmit on August 31, 2010, 06:30:33 PM
Those authors just don't get it...amazing.
I think you don't get it....
Did you know Beck is a mormon?
Yes. I know that beck is a mormon, so what?
well, according to you, he isn't even a christian.....
...and? Whats your point?
My point is, you consider yourself to be this super patriot, uber conservative, evangelical christian. Yet here you are, in the face of you're own party, defending someone who belongs to what your religous leaders call "a cult of satan" and is employed by an australian jew and a muslim saudi prince. To top it all off, he is one of the biggest proponents of the fake "tea party" movement and it kills me to say this, but I agree with the article Red posted. This rally may be possibly the lowest point so far for the conservative movement.
While I'm at it, you sir, are the epitome of the problem. You don't understand whats going on. You just want to be angry and hateful, but you are really missing the big issues. You are easily led and your emotions are easily controlled. Do you really think any of the politicians give a damn about a mosque in NYC? Do you honestly believe that your elected representatives want to stop illegal workers (cheap labor) from coming to the US? Do you really think that republicans will ever do anything to ban abortion?
You're attention span only lasts about 2 weeks.... In the last 30 years, the republicans have controlled the government for the majority of the time. They have never balanced the budget, they have never shrunk the government, they haven't done anything to stop abortion, they have actually tried to help bring more cheap labor to the US, they gave tax breaks to ship american jobs overseas. These things are not arguable, they are facts.
The only 2 platforms of the conservative movement that is repeatedly accomplished are de-regulation and tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. Bush's tax cuts, over the last 10 years, gave 700 billion dollars to the top 200,000 income earners in the US. How was it paid for? the money was borrowed from your kids.
You are getting scammed, robbed, your children are having their futures destroyed and our country is turning into a third world nation. Here in Oakland, in the nations second most dangerous city, they had to lay off 80 cops. One of my clients that I consult for owns a convenience store that gets robbed every other day by the same thug. When they call the cops, they say they don't respond to petty theft anymore, that my client has to file a police report online. In many cities, they are turning off street lights at night. All across the midwest, they are turning paved roads into gravel roads because they can't afford the upkeep. And what do the republicans want you to think is important, a mosque in NYC? Get a clue.
Sorry i went off on a tangent, but seriously, this rally had no meaning. Even the most ardent right wingers are just confused. Frankly, i can't figure it out. I was in reno for the weekend and i caught a little bit of it from the poker table i was at, and i couldn't make any sense of it. Does Beck think he's a prophet now? You know he apologized for calling Obama a racist? He also said Obama's faith was a perversion of christianity, but Varmit, you say the same thing about Beck's faith, so whats your deal? You are actually closer to Obama in faith than you are to Beck.
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So thats my bit, now why don't you man up and tell us all what your point is.
There has been, and will continue to be, much debate about whether or not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) are Christian. This list gives several reasons why Mormons are Christian with supporting scriptures, quotes, and links to more in depth articles.
1. Christ is Head of Mormon Church
Christus of Jesus Christ; Rachel WoodsEverything we teach and everything we do is to bring us unto Jesus Christ. He is the Son of God and all our beliefs and doctrines focus on Him as our Savior and Redeemer. He is the head of our church (see Ephesians 5:23), which many people refer to as "Mormons" but that is only a nickname. The proper name of our church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
When the Nephites disputed what to call the church, Christ said:
"And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses' name then it be Moses' church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel" (3 Nephi 27:8).
2. Faith in Jesus Christ
Faith in Jesus Christ; Josef Untersberger; Public DomainMormons are Christian because we have faith in Jesus Christ, which is the first principle of our gospel. (See Article of Faith #4). Faith in Christ is the first step necessary to bring us unto him, even if we start with just a small hope in Christ, that hope can develop into faith in Him.
"As many as should look upon the Son of God with faith, having a contrite spirit, might live, even unto that life which is eternal" (Helaman 8:15).
3. Prophets Preach of Christ
Prophet Joseph Smith; public domainMormons are Christian because all our prophets, apostles, and leaders preach and testify of Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith, the first prophet of these latter-days, along with Sydney Rigdon preach of Christ:
"And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!
"For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—" (D&C 76:22-23).
For a signed testimony bearing witness of the reality of Jesus Christ see THE LIVING CHRIST: The Testimony of the Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
4. Scriptures Witness of Christ
Mormon Scriptures; Public DomainAll our scriptures teach and witness of the divinity of Christ. The Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ, states:
"And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ..."
"And now behold, I say unto you that the right way is to believe in Christ, and deny him not; and Christ is the Holy One of Israel; wherefore ye must bow down before him, and worship him with all your might, mind, and strength, and your whole soul; and if ye do this ye shall in nowise be cast out" (2 Nephi 25:26,29).
All the scriptures teach of Christ and warn against Satan who teaches us to deny Christ and His words.
5. Mormons Act in the Name of Christ
Baptism of Christ; ReflectionsofChrist.orgThrough the restoration of Christ's priesthood, righteous Mormons are authorized to act in His name. Some of the ordinances performed in the name of Jesus Christ are:
•Baptism
•Confirmation and Gift of the Holy Ghost
•Temple Endowment
•Marriage Sealings
The words of the baptismal prayer show how Mormons are Christian when Christ himself taught:
"Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them.
"And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying:
"Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
"And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water" (3 Nephi 11:23-26)
6. Holy Ghost Testifies of Christ
Representation of Holy Ghost; Public DomainAfter a person is baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ, they are confirmed a member of the Church and are given the gift of the Holy Ghost. Before and after baptism a person can know through the Holy Ghost (the Spirit) that Christ is the Son of God:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me" (John 15:26).
"And the Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and me..." (3 Nephi 28:11).
"To some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that he was crucified for the sins of the world" (D&C 46:13).
The testimony of Christ is vital to one's salvation, a necessary aspect of faith and repentance.
7. Mormons Believe in Atonement of Christ
Crucifixion of Christ; Public DomainOne of the accusations stating that Mormons aren't Christian is because we don't use the symbol of the cross and thus we don't believe in His Atonement. As Christians we do believe in the Atonement of Jesus Christ. including His death on the cross, and that it is central to our salvation. Without Christ's suffering, death, and resurrection we could not be saved from both physical and spiritual death.
Instead of focusing on the cross to remember Christ's death we choose to focus on the fact that Christ was resurrected and now lives.
Many of our beliefs are different from that of other religions, which we respect, but we are Christians. Although we are called Mormons, we are actually disciples of Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God.
It's hardly a cult, with 13.8 million members worldwide.
I don't believe that they are a cult. But if you think that 14 million people is cause to be elevated from cult status, then you shouldn't be calling Islam a cult either.
Personally, I believe that mormans are christians. But unfortunately, that is not the viewpoint of the christian right. I made those points to expose the hypocrisy of the extremist right.
Quote from: Anmar on August 31, 2010, 08:10:44 PM
My point is, you consider yourself to be this super patriot, uber conservative, evangelical christian. Yet here you are, in the face of you're own party, defending someone who belongs to what your religous leaders call "a cult of satan" and is employed by an australian jew and a muslim saudi prince. To top it all off, he is one of the biggest proponents of the fake "tea party" movement and it kills me to say this, but I agree with the article Red posted. This rally may be possibly the lowest point so far for the conservative movement.
First of all, MY only "religous" leader is Christ. I try and follow Him and His teachings and His Word. He, by the way, was a Jew. I don't care about who "employs" Beck. It is the point that he is making that is important, mainly, that this country needs to return to the principles that it was founded upon. Fake tea party?? Whats so fake about it?
QuoteWhile I'm at it, you sir, are the epitome of the problem. You don't understand whats going on. You just want to be angry and hateful, but you are really missing the big issues. You are easily led and your emotions are easily controlled. Do you really think any of the politicians give a damn about a mosque in NYC? Do you honestly believe that your elected representatives want to stop illegal workers (cheap labor) from coming to the US? Do you really think that republicans will ever do anything to ban abortion?
Holy crap!! Are you really so dense as to have missed the point of what I've said on here countless times? I KNOW politicans don't care about those things, and have said so many times. I have also said that it isn't about Repub.s or Dems.
QuoteYou are getting scammed, robbed, your children are having their futures destroyed and our country is turning into a third world nation. Here in Oakland, in the nations second most dangerous city, they had to lay off 80 cops. One of my clients that I consult for owns a convenience store that gets robbed every other day by the same thug. When they call the cops, they say they don't respond to petty theft anymore, that my client has to file a police report online. In many cities, they are turning off street lights at night. All across the midwest, they are turning paved roads into gravel roads because they can't afford the upkeep. And what do the republicans want you to think is important, a mosque in NYC? Get a clue.
Getting Scammed and robbed...no shit Enstien. More so in the past 17 months than at any other time in our history. And it isn't just the Repub.s that are saying the mosque is important issue, it is thousands of everyday, normal american citizens. Are those other issues you mentioned important?...absolutely. But they're only going to get worse if the Dem.s continue to bow down to obama and his admistration and their agenda.
QuoteYou know he apologized for calling Obama a racist? He also said Obama's faith was a perversion of christianity, but Varmit, you say the same thing about Beck's faith, so whats your deal? You are actually closer to Obama in faith than you are to Beck.
So thats my bit, now why don't you man up and tell us all what your point is.
Do I agree with all of Becks religious beliefs?...No. Beck apologized for calling obama a racist?..what does that have to do with anything? Closer to obama in faith?...Since you think you know so much about me explain this one?
I have been telling my point since I started posting on this forum.
Quote from: Anmar on August 31, 2010, 09:20:50 PM
I don't believe that they are a cult. But if you think that 14 million people is cause to be elevated from cult status, then you shouldn't be calling Islam a cult either.
Personally, I believe that mormans are christians. But unfortunately, that is not the viewpoint of the christian right. I made those points to expose the hypocrisy of the extremist right.
They are a cult as well as islam. The Bible itself reveals those doctrines that are essential to the Christian faith. They are 1) the Deity of Christ, 2) Salvation by Grace, and 3) Resurrection of Christ, 4) the gospel, and 5) monotheism. These are the doctrines the Bible says are necessary. Though there are many other important doctrines, these five are the ones that are declared by Scripture to be essential. A non-regenerate person (i.e., Mormon or Jehovah's Witness, atheist, Muslim), will deny one or more of these essential doctrines.
There are doctrines that become essential too, for example belief in trinity after one becomes saved but there is no penalty associated with it. It becomes essential because it is absolute truth and a essential chistian teaching that cannot be denied.
Because Mormonism denies the biblical truth of who God is, who Jesus is, how forgiveness of sins is attained, and what the gospel is, the Mormon is not Christian -- in spite of all his claims that he is Christian.
The church had already been formed 2000 years ago and it did not die out in the Dark Ages.
Mormonism isn't but a couple hundred years old and it's simply not a real church.
Srkruzich- You've made some excellent points there.
Six- you don't agree with me. The ethicsdaily.com and Baptist Center for Ethics are organizations or parachurch.
They have no standing in a church. Looks more like a group of liberals who can not improve the church or this world.
Quote from: redcliffsw on September 01, 2010, 08:05:38 AM
The church had already been formed 2000 years ago and it did not die out in the Dark Ages.
Mormonism isn't but a couple hundred years old and it's simply not a real church.
Srkruzich- You've made some excellent points there.
That is a generic description of a cult only problem it doesn't address the 4000 year old cults like buddism, ect.
Yes Sir. Thanks for pointing out that one.
What is the point here? Don't we still have Freedom of Religion under the Constitution? And doesn't Freedom of Religion include worshiping whoever, whatever, whenever, wherever we want? Wait a minute. Is that Freedom of Religion or Freedom to Worship? Seems I need to do some research.
OK, it is Freedom of Religion and it seems to me that Christianity is not the only religion in the world. Mormonism and Islam is as much a religion as Christianity is. Would I become a Mormon? No. Would I become an Islamist? No. Why? Because I am happy with what I am. And because I am a Christian and an American, I am not going to deny anyone the right to believe the way they want. Neither am I going to denigrate their religions. After all, God is above all of them.
So how are you going to follow a christian revolution being led by someone who you believe isn't a christian?
Quote from: Wilma on September 01, 2010, 09:48:59 AM
OK, it is Freedom of Religion and it seems to me that Christianity is not the only religion in the world. Mormonism and Islam is as much a religion as Christianity is. Would I become a Mormon? No. Would I become an Islamist? No. Why? Because I am happy with what I am. And because I am a Christian and an American, I am not going to deny anyone the right to believe the way they want. Neither am I going to denigrate their religions. After all, God is above all of them.
wilma so was jim jones and the halebot relious cult who comitted suicide to ride the comet. Cults are a danger to society, and individuals. And no one is denying anyone the right to worship. But I can as everyone else can point out what groups are cults.
You even have cults in the "mainstream" christian groups. Catholics, Jehovah witnesses, Church of Christ, seventh day adventists, all are cults
Quote from: Anmar on September 01, 2010, 10:05:36 AM
So how are you going to follow a christian revolution being led by someone who you believe isn't a christian?
What christian revolution. I saw him get up there and advocate taking this country back, not having a christian revolution.
Taking back this country which was founded on christian principles. You cannot deny it was, its incorporated into every aspect of our country and government.
Quote from: Anmar on August 31, 2010, 08:10:44 PM
Here in Oakland, in the nations second most dangerous city, they had to lay off 80 cops. One of my clients that I consult for owns a convenience store that gets robbed every other day by the same thug. When they call the cops, they say they don't respond to petty theft anymore, that my client has to file a police report online.
And WHY is that? Jerry Brown! Mayor of Oakland. California has more nutty politicians per capita than any other state in the nation but, one of the worst has been Jerry Brown. Ol' Jer's presently running for governor, a job he has held in the distant past. This creep has been recycled more often than a plastic bottle. Even though he's 72 years old, he has never held an actual job in his entire life. He began his current campaign by announcing that his opponent, Meg Whitman, had a great deal in common with Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. His reason was that she had a lot of her own money to spend on her campaign. It seems to me that's like comparing Charlie Chaplin's Little Tramp persona to Adolf Hitler because they both had tiny moustaches. But that's par for the very silly liberal course. Jerry Brown also had the nerve to claim that Ms. Whitman was going to use the governorship as a steppingstone to the presidency. That's not a crime where I come from. But in any case, it's an odd insult coming from the man who used his own governorship to run for president in '76, '80 and '92.
The fact remains that over the past 50 years, Brown has run for president, senator, governor, chairman of the California Democratic Party, state attorney general, California secretary of state, L.A. Community College District Board of Trustees and mayor of Oakland. The truly weird thing is that, more often than not, he's won those races, even though in a personality contest with a clam, a cobblestone and a tin can, Brown would come in a distant fourth. Also, the fact remains that, the man who was dubbed "Governor Moonbeam" has spent his entire adult life running for everything but the bus. No wonder Oakland is so screwed up.... Jerry Brown... running for CA governor... AGAIN.... LOL, what a joke!
I actually like a polititician who will spend their own money. Does she have her own plane? That would be another plus.
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on September 01, 2010, 12:26:58 PM
I actually like a politician who will spend their own money. Does she have her own plane? That would be another plus.
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I see Teresa quoted me but did have anything else to say........did she pass out in mid thought? Ha ha Maybe I better text her.
haha~~ no I didn't pass out! I gave you a high 5.. I just liked what you said.. my brain is too slow right now to make many comments.
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my brain is too slow right now to make many comments
You cousin Jimmie said your old brain has always been slow. I can't believe he said that. Next time I see him I'm gonna punch him the eye for saying that !!!!
Quote from: jarhead on September 01, 2010, 07:36:30 PM
Quote from Teresa
my brain is too slow right now to make many comments
You cousin Jimmie said your old brain has always been slow. I can't believe he said that. Next time I see him I'm gonna punch him the eye for saying that !!!!
Jarhead..you rebel rousing old fart! LOL
but I;m going to be nice to you ..since you are buying me that big expensive porterhouse steak at Flint Oak tomorrow night.. ... ( can't bite the hand that's gonna feed me, ya know. ) ;) ;D
I never said that Twee. Tarhead lies all the time. He lies to make himself look better because he had to serve under the Dept of the Navy.