Cops at it again...and yet we are told to respect and obey these thugs.
http://www.kdvr.com/videobeta/7f9f9493-b6cf-4d59-a319-5c24417977ef/News/Man-alleges-police-used-excessive-force-in-LoDo-incident (http://www.kdvr.com/videobeta/7f9f9493-b6cf-4d59-a319-5c24417977ef/News/Man-alleges-police-used-excessive-force-in-LoDo-incident)
What's that got to do with Elk County?
Diane,
I'd say it has as much to do with Elk County as the black panthers intimidating voters in Philly but when we talked about it, you got your feathers all ruffled because it happened in your neighboring state and you thought it was none of our business. You know---Colorado---Kansas---neighbors !!! :)
Since when are we only allowed to discuss things that happen in Elk County?
Hey, I wasn't trying to start something. I just wondered if your Kansas police are prone to the same kind of action. Personally, I'd be chicken to walk right up to an arrest in progress and say something. If I wanted to get involved I'd have said something to the man much later, like at the police station. No, I never said the thing with the Black Panthers was none of your business. (here we go again) You all just didn't have all the facts.
It would be like me saying in a total rage that all the Hell's Angels are worthless murderers because they look tough and have a tough reputation. Tain't true and fair is fair. I'm all about fairness, that's all. A lot of total garbage gets posted on here from people who just copy what others have said or written without any proof of the truth or accuracy of it and I think that's a real shame. You know what I keep saying about people who want to invoke a "high emotional response." Certain kinds of people are very easily led and are sucked into that kind of thing. Fair is fair. You want to risk being tossed on the ground by the police for interfering with an arrest (because that is just what they will say), help yourself. Varmit said "Cops at it again",that means it has happened before and I wondered what was up, that's all, no more no less. Stop trying to make a big deal out of everything I say.
Wondered what was up??...I have posted many articles showing law enforcment officers abusing thier authority and position, this was just another one. If it is an unlawful arrest why would you be too chicken to say something? As far as kansas police, it wasn't to long ago that there was a sheriffs deputy ( I forget which county) that was accused of using his position to con underage girls into sexual acts to get out of trouble. I'll look for the article.
The point of posting these articles, at least for me, is to show that these aren't just "isolated" incidents. But rather a growing trend within the law enforcement community.
A few years back the was an officer here who would remind folks that he had killed before. It was a subtle threat that he could do it to you as well.
Varmit, at my age I'm not going to be any good being smashed into the ground while interfering with a police officer. I'd have gone to the police station later. For all I know that man could have been a wanted felon. Having taught the Emergency Care, First Responder and CPR/AED classes to many Police Academies here over the years, I'm not about to put myself in harms way in the heat of the moment. I've sat in on many of the classes and watched a lot of what they do and how they are trained to react. I even got to play hostage one time. They are trained to never give up their position of advantage and with all the adrenaline flying around....well. They also do some of our training such as how to approach a car safely, suspicion of a meth lab at an address and so on. I doubt it's any worse that it ever was but now everybody has a camera or camera phone and photographs everything and makes it available to some TV station. There is no question that some LEOs take advantage of the situation but not that many I hope. My friends are all starting to retire now, including the US Marshal, so my connections will not be as good any longer. (The Delaware State Police have a mandatory retirement age of 55.) One was head of the aviation division, now is commander of Troop One and his twin is head of the Detective Division. By the way, have you seen the new 30 second PSA spot "Slow down, Move Over" It was made here by some of my Delaware City friends in honor or Michelle Smith who was killed at an accident scene in Dec. 08. You hurt someone now it's an automatic felony. It's going to be shown nation wide so you will eventually see it.
Okay, I can understand the age thing. As for getting slammed to the ground, personally, I wouldn't be worried about it, but thats just me. Cops ain't the only ones with "trainning". However, in the article I posted they went waaay to far. As for all the cameras out there, espcially the ones pointed at cops, I say good, cops should be filmed 100% of the time they are on duty. And they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent if they violate the law. 9 times out of 10 if they are caught they recieve what amounts to a slap on the wrist. And speaking of cameras, check out this bozo with a badge...
Varmit,
I don't think anyone disagrees with you. Police, just like any other branch of government, needs to be kept in check. Its really up to we the people to do so. Its unfortunate that we don't keep our politicians in check with the same zeal.
Just found this video. For those out there that will say "cops are our firends we should trust them" it might make you think twice...
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 20, 2010, 01:29:12 PM
Hey, I wasn't trying to start something. I just wondered if your Kansas police are prone to the same kind of action. Personally, I'd be chicken to walk right up to an arrest in progress and say something. If I wanted to get involved I'd have said something to the man much later, like at the police station. No, I never said the thing with the Black Panthers was none of your business. (here we go again) You all just didn't have all the facts.
It would be like me saying in a total rage that all the Hell's Angels are worthless murderers because they look tough and have a tough reputation. Tain't true and fair is fair. I'm all about fairness, that's all. A lot of total garbage gets posted on here from people who just copy what others have said or written without any proof of the truth or accuracy of it and I think that's a real shame. You know what I keep saying about people who want to invoke a "high emotional response." Certain kinds of people are very easily led and are sucked into that kind of thing. Fair is fair. You want to risk being tossed on the ground by the police for interfering with an arrest (because that is just what they will say), help yourself. Varmit said "Cops at it again",that means it has happened before and I wondered what was up, that's all, no more no less. Stop trying to make a big deal out of everything I say.
IT is a big problem diane, Cops are out of control. From beating a man over offering his witness to the fact the other guy was innocent of the charges to murdering 98 year old widows, to planting drugs to make the person they just murdered look guilty of a crime justifying the murder they comitted.
I wouldn't trust or ask for assistance from a cop period. I'll handle my own battles. Its safer.
Quote from: Anmar on August 21, 2010, 09:55:05 AM
Varmit,
I don't think anyone disagrees with you. Police, just like any other branch of government, needs to be kept in check. Its really up to we the people to do so. Its unfortunate that we don't keep our politicians in check with the same zeal.
Only one problem, you have to be willing to die to persue it. these cops aren't above killing you and then making it look like you attempted to kill them. And none of the other cops will turn on another cop.
You don't have to die to out bad cops, you just have to work hard, have patience, and be clever enough to get the whole thing on camera.
There must be something in the air (damn those Chemtrails!!) I find myself agreeing with Anmar...again!
I think the question that arises is whats the point? So someone is able to capture a "bad cop" on camera whats the point if nothing is done about it? Every now and then the news will feature a police officer being punished for bad behavior but this type of thing happens every day.
Why do you think nothing is done about it?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2010, 12:05:44 PM
Why do you think nothing is done about it?
because theres nothing done about it. Very rare you see a cop go to prison for a crime.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2010, 12:05:44 PM
Why do you think nothing is done about it?
Really?...I mean, did you really ask that question....nothing is EVER done about it. At most they get probation, suspension, maybe get fired, and perhaps once in a blue moon actually go to jail, not prison, just jail. A cop beats his wife he has to go to anger managment, a civilian beats his wife he does 5 to 10 for assault.
Varmit, I was just curious about what you thought.The police, as are other some other special interest groups, ARE treated differently. So are priests. How many went to prison and how many got shuffled off to some other parish? In some cases the military are too. So are judges and attorneys and Mayors and politicians and others. Are you surprised? It's nothing new and probably won't change.
You're right Diane, it won't change when the majority of people take the viewpoint of "oh well thats just the way its always been...SSDD...it just goofy politics same as always". But I would point out that priests, judges, attorneys, mayors don't carry guns and rely on a system that wrote the book on corruption.
I once saw some boyscouts and their leader out at Toot's. The first thing I thought about was the leader being a pedophile. But in this day and age it is easy to do.
I'll get snapped at for disagreeing again but there are indeed mayors, attorneys and judges who do carry guns. I hope priests don't. Since you quoted me somehow you're going to hold me responsible for this too? It's a good thing you have me to blame for all the troubles in the world. And here I was thinking I'm just one person with no influence. :P ;D Twirl, I know what you mean. Isn't it sad that we have to think that way?
Lots of preachers and deacons of churches carry guns. Most of the deacons and half the members of the church i went to back in dahlonega was armed in church. Safest place you could be! :)
Diane, I guess we should start referring to you as Pandora. :-\ Or maybe BFI, the one who gets all the garbage! Lol!
Maybe I can sell it to China and make lots of money. ;D
Back in january, we had a cop shoot a man in the back while he was handcuffed and lying on the floor. Pre-trial, the cop was allowed to leave the state. He did eventually come back and was recently convicted of involuntary manslaughter. We are still waiting on sentencing but chances are it will be 18 months in some cushy state prison for high profile types.
bullet in the back while handcuffed only gets involentary manslaughter?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 23, 2010, 07:42:22 PM
I'll get snapped at for disagreeing again but there are indeed mayors, attorneys and judges who do carry guns. I hope priests don't. Since you quoted me somehow you're going to hold me responsible for this too? It's a good thing you have me to blame for all the troubles in the world. And here I was thinking I'm just one person with no influence. :P ;D Twirl, I know what you mean. Isn't it sad that we have to think that way?
Diane, again you missed the point I was making. When was the last time you talked to a judge/attorney/mayor while you were being detained, under possible threat of arrest, with their hand on their sidearm (which was clearly on display), with them acting (or at least trying) in an intimidating manner?
You've got to be kidding! Why in the world would I ever be "detained"for any reason? I'm not likely to ever be out there pushing the limits to attract attention to myself and cause anyone to notice me, let alone look at me with doubt as to my character as a law abiding citizen. Besides, my fire company plates give me some leeway and I taught part of every police Academy in the state. Every body knows me! But that's another story. I assume you have lots of personal experience in being detained? ;)
Diane,
At the rate things are going in the political atmosphere, its likely that people will be arrested for having a dissenting voice. It started under Bush with the patriot act, and unfortunately, Obama and the current congress have chosen to continue those policies. You, Jerry, and myself seem to be the main people who have dissenting opinions on these forums, and just look at the hatred that is directed towards us on a regular basis around here. There is no more respect for being able to speak your mind and stand up for what you believe in. When extremists eventually (from either side) take power, they can use the framework thats already in place to try and silence the public debate that we enjoy in this country.
I really don't think extremists in the blowhard political sense will ever be that powerful nationally unless the people who follow the money in big business can make a profit from it. Look at the money behind the tea party movement. Quiet but powerful people who don't want their revenue stream upset.
There are only 3,000 or so people in Elk County. Nice forum, but also very small, only 624 members, many of whom are not active. There are many more dissenters on here than you might think. They just don't choose to speak out because they live there and don't care to be threatened. I don't blame them one bit. Much of what the few "meanies" say just goes to show the true character of the speakers. Very suspicious and closed minded.. and prone to ranting and raving as if they are on drugs. (In some cases their knuckles are still dragging on the ground.) If that is really the only way they can communicate, fine, but they better be ready to have it handed back to them on occasion....As in untruthful personal attacks. I can't speak for Kansas but here we have a Governor and a state Gov't that aren't about to let the "radicals" take over. They are amazing in their bipartisanship and lack of mean squabbling among themselves. Even election campaigns are surprisingly mild. I've been on here for more than three years now and I am just starting to get used to the nastiness that is accepted there as normal. I think I went off the topic a bit, sorry.
well, I think what we have is a representation of a large portion of opinions. I read this morning the story about a man who jumped into a taxi, asked the driver if he was muslim, then tried to slit his throat when the driver said yes. People are losing their minds. Its amazing to me how just a few weeks ago, people were saying how much they loved the constitution, now we want to change the 14th amendment and deny the first amendment to muslims and the fifth to just about everyone.
I worry about that as well Anmar....for all of us.
I wonder why nobody is protesting the Muslim prayer room in the Pentagon? I also wonder how much is done for media attention. I watched some clips of the pro and con protests in NYC. At least a third of the people there were Media reps with cameras and I watched people maneuvering into position to be in the shots.Things got very tense when one black man was singled out as a Muslim and tormented erroneously. He stood up for himself but was asked to go for the sake of getting things calmed down again. I'm glad mob psychology didn't take over. It could have been "Gangs of New York" all over again. I don't think he was a Dead Rabbit though.
I'd love to know how many were paid to be there and how many weren't even from NYC. I looked up that poor taxi driver. He was really hurt bad. So sad. It looks like the very people who think they are protecting this country are actually the ones harming it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2010, 11:36:48 AM
You've got to be kidding! Why in the world would I ever be "detained"for any reason? I'm not likely to ever be out there pushing the limits to attract attention to myself and cause anyone to notice me, let alone look at me with doubt as to my character as a law abiding citizen. Besides, my fire company plates give me some leeway and I taught part of every police Academy in the state. Every body knows me! But that's another story. I assume you have lots of personal experience in being detained? ;)
Way to avoid the question..
As for political blowhards, what do you think obama is? Money behind the Tea Party movement...those are average folks, jesus, you really don't understand a damn thing do you?
And another thing, you really don't understand a damn thing about Elk County, how could you after all you don't live here, right? Isn't that what you stated about that Black Panther thing...that we didn't know what was going on because we didn't live there? True nature of the speakers...suspicious and close minded...Better that than a brain dead sheep that will go along with whatever hand is feeding them. Now you may consider this a "personal attack" and you know what...you're damn right it is!! You attack my friends and neighbors and I will come back at you, you flabby mouth know-it-all!!
Anmar, deny the 1st to Muslims...when those Muslims want to deny every right to every Non-Muslim, then yes they need to be stopped.
Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans
By ANDY GREENBERG
As the privacy controversy around full-body security scans begins to simmer, it's worth noting that courthouses and airport security checkpoints aren't the only places where backscatter x-ray vision is being deployed. The same technology, capable of seeing through clothes and walls, has also been rolling out on U.S. streets.
American Science & Engineering, a company based in Billerica, Massachusetts, has sold U.S. and foreign government agencies more than 500 backscatter x-ray scanners mounted in vans that can be driven past neighboring vehicles to see their contents, Joe Reiss, a vice president of marketing at the company told me in an interview. While the biggest buyer of AS&E's machines over the last seven years has been the Department of Defense operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, Reiss says law enforcement agencies have also deployed the vans to search for vehicle-based bombs in the U.S.
"This product is now the largest selling cargo and vehicle inspection system ever," says Reiss.
The Z Backscatter Vans, or ZBVs, as the company calls them, bounce a narrow stream of x-rays off and through nearby objects, and read which ones come back. Absorbed rays indicate dense material such as steel. Scattered rays indicate less-dense objects that can include explosives, drugs, or human bodies. That capability makes them powerful tools for security, law enforcement, and border control.
It would also seem to make the vans mobile versions of the same scanning technique that's riled privacy advocates as it's been deployed in airports around the country. The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) is currently suing the DHS to stop airport deployments of the backscatter scanners, which can reveal detailed images of human bodies. (Just how much detail became clear last May, when TSA employee Rolando Negrin was charged with assaulting a coworker who made jokes about the size of Negrin's genitalia after Negrin received a full-body scan.)
"It's no surprise that goverments and vendors are very enthusiastic about [the vans]," says Marc Rotenberg, executive director of EPIC. "But from a privacy perspective, it's one of the most intrusive technologies conceivable."
AS&E's Reiss counters privacy critics by pointing out that the ZBV scans don't capture nearly as much detail of human bodies as their airport counterparts. The company's marketing materials say that its "primary purpose is to image vehicles and their contents," and that "the system cannot be used to identify an individual, or the race, sex or age of the person."
Though Reiss admits that the systems "to a large degree will penetrate clothing," he points to the lack of features in images of humans like the one shown at right, far less detail than is obtained from the airport scans. "From a privacy standpoint, I'm hard-pressed to see what the concern or objection could be," he says.
But EPIC's Rotenberg says that the scans, like those in the airport, potentially violate the fourth amendment. "Without a warrant, the government doesn't have a right to peer beneath your clothes without probable cause," he says. Even airport scans are typically used only as a secondary security measure, he points out. "If the scans can only be used in exceptional cases in airports, the idea that they can be used routinely on city streets is a very hard argument to make."
The TSA's official policy dictates that full-body scans must be viewed in a separate room from any guards dealing directly with subjects of the scans, and that the scanners won't save any images. Just what sort of safeguards might be in place for AS&E's scanning vans isn't clear, given that the company won't reveal just which law enforcement agencies, organizations within the DHS, or foreign governments have purchased the equipment. Reiss says AS&E has customers on "all continents except Antarctica."
Reiss adds that the vans do have the capability of storing images. "Sometimes customers need to save images for evidentiary reasons," he says. "We do what our customers need."
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Wht ever happened to freedom, privacy?
orwellian
Deputy constable accused of beating, exposing woman at school, suit says
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Published: 8:20 p.m. Thursday, July 8, 2010
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A federal lawsuit filed Thursday accused a Travis County deputy constable of beating a woman and exposing her breast in front of an elementary school with her grandchildren watching in May 2009.
Lawyers with the Texas Civil Rights Project filed the suit against Deputy Constable Richard Furrs on behalf of the woman, who used a pseudonym in the court filings. Furrs targeted the woman because she is a Mexican immigrant, according to the suit.
Misdemeanor criminal charges that Furrs filed against the woman were later dropped, the suit said. It said Furrs was suspended for five days, but the constables office would not confirm that. Gwendolyn Doyle, a manager at the office, would only say that Furrs was still employed there. Furrs could not be reached for comment.
The woman went to Sims Elementary School off Springdale Road in East Austin to pick up her grandchildren on May 21, 2009, the suit said. She pulled into the school's driveway, where Furrs was directing traffic, the suit said. It said Furrs began to show the woman where to wait, and as she did, he began yelling at her.
The woman thought he was asking for identification, so she reached for her license, the suit said. Furrs then dragged her out of her truck, the suit said.
The lawsuit contained three sworn affidavits by witnesses. One was from Lorena Sanchez, who said she was walking with her daughter from the school to their car and saw Furrs yelling at the woman.
Sanchez said she knew the woman and saw Furrs yank her from her truck so forcibly that Sanchez was able to see the woman's feet.
She said she saw Furrs beat the woman with his baton and dragged her on the hot pavement, while the woman was yelling in Spanish that she did not know what she did wrong.
Furrs was overheard calling the woman an ethnic epithet and told her she needed to speak English because she was in America, the documents said.
Another witness said Furrs was yelling slurs at the woman while throwing her around like a rag doll.
Sanchez said a few people were trying to take video and photos of the incident, but the constable and other responding officers ordered them not to, the suit said.
Jon Saucedo, a teacher, said he saw the woman on her knees and bleeding from her lip. His statement also said one of her breasts was exposed and that she was crying.
Witnesses said the woman begged Furrs to cover her up, and he responded by saying, "I don't care. I like it."
Saucedo said he stepped forward and offered to help translate for the woman, but Furrs reached for his gun and told him to back up.
Saucedo's statement said that Furrs and his supervisor went to the principal's office to apologize for the incident. Yet, when Saucedo asked Furrs why he thought it was appropriate to reach for his gun, Saucedo said Furrs became enraged and yelled at him.
"I felt very intimidated by Mr. Furrs. I thought this meeting was an effort to apologize for this officer's actions the day before, but it quickly turned into another situation where this officer was out of control," Saucedo wrote in his sworn statement.
Maria Jaramillo said her children who witnessed the incident are now traumatized and are afraid of police officers. She said when they see a police car, they try to take off their seat belts and hide.
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And they wonder why people don't like cops...
Nothing worse than a bad cop who is also a bigot. No excuse for that business at all. But judge it on its own merits.
Judge it on its own merits?? This is a perfect illustration of the Law Enforcement community...that "cop" still has a job. Hows that for merit?
No, I meant you can only judge that situation and not lump every LEO out there into it. Why didn't the locals jam the court house, especially if that dodo has a history of that kind of thing. Why did they stand for it? Because the woman is Hispanic? Are they a bunch of bigots there who really didn't care? All I know is what I read and if that really is all there is, then he should have been dumped. I have no idea how their laws work. I would think some civil rights lawyer would take her case pro bono and sue the cop, the local jurisdiction and anybody else involved.
OMG Diane, you cannot be that naieve. There is no justice in the justice system. Its all about who has the bucks and whos backscratchnig who.
Ha, very funny and I can even spell it. How is my mostly agreeing with Varmit naive? EVERYONE who spends time on the wrong side of the law always feels as you do.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2010, 06:50:21 PM
Ha, very funny and I can even spell it. How is my mostly agreeing with Varmit naive? EVERYONE who spends time on the wrong side of the law always feels as you do.
No i don't spend time on the wrong side. I see what goes on. I see when the FBI comes in and siezes control of Atlanta city police and eliminates the drug task force because it is absolutely corrupt, complicit of trafficing and murders, And when the sherriff of a county gets executed and the actual killer who was caught red handed, walks free cause the judges cut a deal with him, There is NO justice Period. Not possible. I wouldn't trust a cop as far as i can throw one. I refuse to call a judge your honor as they have no honor and as far as I am concerned until we shut down courts starting with the supremecourts, specifically 9th supreme court, as well as many otheres, there will never be justice in this court system.
The reason why people do not turn bad cops in is cause the bad cops have buddies in the police force that will back them no matter what. So you end up with cops coming by your home and shooting up everything as what happened in north carolina a few years back when the deputy sherriffs wife left him and divorced him and was dating another man in the county, and this sherrif and his buddies,went by and tried to kill him shooting his place up. The sherriff sent them out of state to hide them while he cleaned up the mess, only they didn't kill the man. The sherriff and deputies were arrested and put in jail but the judge in the county dismissed all charges. Happened to be the ole sherrifs fishing buddy.
Sorry but nope you can't convince me otherewise. There are probably a few good cops, but not enough of them to trust a cop.
Last but not least when it comes between you and a cop, they other cops will back the cop before they will back you. The cop can be lying through their teeth and the other cops will not say he's lying when they know he is.
At one point, I referred to you as Lady Di. But you madam, are no lady. I don't know if Varmit, KShillbillys or srkruzich have caught on to your snide remarks but I, madam, see the seeds of distrust you are trying to plant. I do not believe Varmit is a criminal or has been in jail and if he has I doubt it was anything serious. I do not believe that Kshillbillys are on drugs. And I can see where you're trying to turn srkruzich into a criminal with your remarks. I do understand why so many distrust and dislike you on here. There was no name calling, on my behalf, towards you. I'm just stating what I see going on. I don't have a high school or college education. When I grew up, we left school in our teens, some of us to work on farms and others to fight for freedom. I hope I spelled everything to your satisfaction.
Sincerely,
Kent
Here's two good references as to why law enforcement can't always be trusted and dirty up the facts, muddy up the waters and lie about the facts when everything goes to shit. 1. Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge and 2. David Koresh and the Waco Siege. And even though the law had nothing to do with this part but the reason in creating a domestic terrorist from the outfall of Waco under Janet Reno's authority, led to the Oklahoma City Bombing by Timothy McVeigh. Now ya'll can bitch about this.
MR. KSH
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2010, 01:40:43 PM
No, I meant you can only judge that situation and not lump every LEO out there into it.
Yes you can. Espcially when the rest of them do nothing to stop this type of behavior. In fact, they support it by covering it up and lying about it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2010, 01:40:43 PM
Why didn't the locals jam the court house, especially if that dodo has a history of that kind of thing. Why did they stand for it? Because the woman is Hispanic? Are they a bunch of bigots there who really didn't care? All I know is what I read and if that really is all there is, then he should have been dumped. I have no idea how their laws work. I would think some civil rights lawyer would take her case pro bono and sue the cop, the local jurisdiction and anybody else involved.
BTW, why shift focus on the "local community"? Seems to me that cop should have been arrested for assault. The article plainly states that lawyers from the Texas Civil Rights Project did, in fact, file suit against Deputy Furrs.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2010, 06:50:21 PM
Ha, very funny and I can even spell it. How is my mostly agreeing with Varmit naive? EVERYONE who spends time on the wrong side of the law always feels as you do.
No Diane, EVERYONE who has spent time on the "wrong side" of the law DOESN'T always feel that way. Without having all the facts how can you make such an accusation?
Hillbilly, you'll hear no bitchin' from me on that one. I agree 100%
Why don't you thugs go pick on someone else for awhile. I was not suggesting anybody on here was on the wrong side of the law!!!!!! You are trying very hard to see things that don't exist. People who wind up in prison are always innocent, don't you know that! and everybody who has ever had a run in was innocent too. You keep on with all the generalizations. I was agreeing with Varmit that there are problems and that doesn't suit you either. Attack me all you want, who freekin' cares. I am not the issue here! Steve and the others are in charge of their own behavior. I have nothing to do with the choices they make. People on here are free to make up their own minds.There are some high profile cases that always turn up as examples of bad police behavior. They get used over and over and over. You missed ours in Philly on Osage Ave. You want a good example of things gone wrong? Look it up. The Oklahoma City bombing gets laid at Janet Reno's feet? Talk about changing the subject. And here the people of OK thought Timothy McVeigh did it. You don't have the facts about "everything" and you make your call that almost all cops are crooked. Then you, say I don't have all the facts either. I think that one is a draw. If you want to prove you are several highly suspicious people who appear to be of a one track mind then you have been successful .Hate away all you want. As far as my being a lady...who cares, your opinion counts for nothing in that area. I don't know why you assume I'm always putting you down but as I've said before, your insecurities are your problem not mine. I really don't care any more. I did at one time, but no more.The main thing you are doing is creating more people who can't wait to see what will happen next. Ya know,like a soap opera. Have fun and don't let the big secret out.
LOL Diane, its a bad day for republicans. Consider that their former RNC chair just admitted he was gay and basically spilled the beans that the whole republican electoral strategy for the last 10 years has been to harness the bigotry, fear, and hatred of their base in order to get them to vote.
Watch, all this BS coming out to light finally and they will still go out and vote republican in november.....
Diane i never said all cops are corrupt. I said i dont' trust cops and the reasons why is that the corrupt ones are many, and the rest of the cops will not stand up against one of their own. And in them doing so, Just as in the example of the cop that varmit i think poised, they will cover each others tracks.
Now the ones who won't speak up or do anything about a corrupt cop in their ranks, they are complicit in it. They are just as guilty as the one who is corrupt by their silence. You cannot trust anyone that will look the other way.
And believe Most judges are corrupt until they prove to me otherwise. I would trust a cop before i would trust a lawyer or judge
I only know 1 man that was a judge that is not corrupt. LOL i loved his sentencing he used to give out if you came before him.
Someone would come in front of him with probation on the table, and he would send em off with probation and they would have to memorize whole passages from the bible and come back to him and recite them from memory or go to jail if they dont.
Quote from: Anmar on August 26, 2010, 11:11:25 PM
LOL Diane, its a bad day for republicans. Consider that their former RNC chair just admitted he was gay and basically spilled the beans that the whole republican electoral strategy for the last 10 years has been to harness the bigotry, fear, and hatred of their base in order to get them to vote.
Watch, all this BS coming out to light finally and they will still go out and vote republican in november.....
RNC has bigger problems to worry about than that when they take control. Obamas abysmal failure to kick start this economy with his BILLIONS of dollars he has pissed away isn't working, the tax hikes is strangling this country. Economy is going to slide back into recession if not worse and your going to see hyperinflation start up.
There is only one way to jumpstart it, and thats if its not too late, to cut the taxes drastically, and cut the spending even more.
I would be interested in knowing how much of the bail out money that was allocated was actually spent. I keep hearing that much of it wasn't. It's huge numbers regardless. I'm not sure cutting taxes would help much now. Off subject, sorry.
As Howard residents found out, if you enforce the laws you have, you can make money to fix roads and such. We have the same weeds and grass law, but they send the address a warning first so absentee land lords can make arrangements. I guess Howard doesn't do the warning?
Quote from: srkruzich on August 27, 2010, 06:22:11 AM
RNC has bigger problems to worry about than that when they take control. Obamas abysmal failure to kick start this economy with his BILLIONS of dollars he has pissed away isn't working, the tax hikes is strangling this country. Economy is going to slide back into recession if not worse and your going to see hyperinflation start up.
There is only one way to jumpstart it, and thats if its not too late, to cut the taxes drastically, and cut the spending even more.
the country has been strangled before Obama took office, and the "tax hikes" haven't happened yet.
Quote from: Anmar on August 27, 2010, 09:33:18 AM
the country has been strangled before Obama took office, and the "tax hikes" haven't happened yet.
Oh yes they have, the really big ones set to occur haven't, but obamas been taxing the crap out of us since he took office.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2010, 09:54:54 PM
Why don't you thugs go pick on someone else for awhile. I was not suggesting anybody on here was on the wrong side of the law!!!!!! You are trying very hard to see things that don't exist. People who wind up in prison are always innocent, don't you know that! and everybody who has ever had a run in was innocent too. You keep on with all the generalizations. I was agreeing with Varmit that there are problems and that doesn't suit you either.
You did suggest it diane, by means of implication and generalization...remember this little gem?
Quote...EVERYONE who spends time on the wrong side of the law always feels as you do.
Implying that anyone who agrees has spent time in jail. YOU harp about generalizations then turn around and make them, with your snide little comments and jokes...
QuoteI assume you have lots of personal experience in being detained? ;)
Then you get all pissy when someone calls you on it. If you are gonna get all uppity about generalizations, heres a tip...Don't make them.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2010, 09:54:54 PM
You don't have the facts about "everything" and you make your call that almost all cops are crooked. Then you, say I don't have all the facts either. I think that one is a draw.
Really? Thats interesting, because no one on this thread EVER stated that you didn't have all the facts. I said you didn't UNDERSTAND, big difference. So a "draw"...nope.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2010, 09:54:54 PM
The Oklahoma City bombing gets laid at Janet Reno's feet? Talk about changing the subject. And here the people of OK thought Timothy McVeigh did it.
Again, it called "READING COMPREHENSION". As a teacher I would think you know what that is, and would have the ability to detect it...guess not. Hillbilly didn't change the subject, and he didn't say that Janet Reno conducted the bombing herself. Rather, the screwed up way that she handled the Waco situation is what drove McVeigh to the bombing.
You accuse us of hating, and say "I don't know why you assume I'm always putting you down...", and then you post your little comments..
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2010, 09:54:54 PM
If you want to prove you are several highly suspicious people who appear to be of a one track mind then you have been successful .Hate away all you want.
QuoteMuch of what the few "meanies" say just goes to show the true character of the speakers. Very suspicious and closed minded.. and prone to ranting and raving as if they are on drugs. (In some cases their knuckles are still dragging on the ground.) If that is really the only way they can communicate, fine, but they better be ready to have it handed back to them on occasion....As in untruthful personal attacks. ... I've been on here for more than three years now and I am just starting to get used to the nastiness that is accepted there as normal.
You accuse the People of Elk County with your snide little comments...so whose REALLY doing the "hating" here?
Don't you ever watch the TV shows where all the convicts are trying to get attention and are always claiming their innocence? Of course you couldn't know about my times on jury duty. All were innocent...just ask'em. I wasn't talking about any live human beings and you know it. How could I? I have no idea if any of you have a record, nor do I care. I only know you by what you put on here and some of it is really hateful and mean. You saw an opportunity and you took it. Shame, shame....where's that Christian up bringing? If you try hard enough you'll be able to find or create something about anybody and everybody by picking apart everything line by line. No skin off my nose. Am I pissed, you bet. I was called a Democrats and I'm not, pro abortion and I'm not. no kids ...sadly that is true, so what. And I was accused of telling you all how many kids to have?...nothing of the sort. It was just an extension of what you had said about end of life control, why not have beginning of life control too? As far as hating, I am rapidly learning how. I did not start the thread on the Black Panthers. That was another person's personal rant on why shouldn't they be able to call people niggers. I still haven't figured that one out. How that got connected to Phillies election was very weird and very unfair and totally manufactured to cause trouble. There were people there who had their own agenda who were very disappointed when the whole thing didn't blow up and you bought it hook line and sinker. I'm still not sure how I got to be the bad guy with that one. So be prepared. I'm not going to try to be fair any more. If I think you're (plural) being a jerk I'm going to say so and tell you why. If you can't understand what I'm trying to say, I'll use smaller words with fewer syllables and yes, I'm being snide. Why should you have all the fun? I've grown a tough hide now that I've been warned about several of you. You don't scare me. I even worked hard here to stir up interest for Sedan's fire engine. You want to make me an enemy? Help yourself. I try to stick to the issues, but you subscribe to the old adage, "if you can't attack the subject, attack the person." So shall I. How about not wasting your time on me and go do something nice for your community. Like cleaning out the meth labs. I figured you would be on the mall with Glen Beck. He has asked for no political or hate signs, posters and such .I wonder who will do it anyway under their liberty and freedom of speech. I will be interested in what he has to say.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 27, 2010, 09:35:58 AM
Oh yes they have, the really big ones set to occur haven't, but obamas been taxing the crap out of us since he took office.
name 2 tax hikes that have been initiated and implemented by Pres Obama.
Maybe I don't under stand "tax hike"that has already happened.There are indeed a bunch for next year, and many exemptions that will stop but there are still a lot of tax credits out there if people just look for them.The new energy efficient furnaces and air conditioner tax credit continues through 2010. The new home and replacement home tax credit is still alive at $8,000 and $6,500.00 (I think) and many more. Some Federal Park user fees went up and Medicare but what else am I missing?
Cleaning out the meth labs? Do you know our crime rate here?
In the year 2007 there were a total of 67 crimes in Elk County, Kansas. With a population of 3,060, there was 1 crime for every 45.7 people in the county. Out of the 67 crimes reported, 63 were crimes against property (burglery, larceny, motor vehicle theft, and arson) and 4 were violent crimes (murder, rape, aggravated assault, and robbery). There were no murders, 1 rape and 3 assaults.
Wilmington, DE has 3 times the amount of arrests in any given MONTH, than Elk County has in a YEAR! (http://www.localcrimenews.com/city-stats.php?city_name=Wilmington&cid=1535). The arrests I quoted for Wilmington came in 2008.
No where in the criminal records for the State of Kansas, Elk County, did I find any information for meth lab busts. Even the number of meth lab busts in our neighbor, Montgomery County, have declined. I think people are learning that going to prison for a meth lab isn't all it's "cracked" up to be!
And before you say that there's more people in Wilmington than in Elk County and that's why the crime rate is high...Well DUH...Everyone down here knows this! We don't need (as Varmit says) a flappy mouth know it all, but in my own words, a woolly bloated up saddle bag telling us that you have more people out there than we do. That also means there's a helluva lot more stupid people out there! Which is why we live here!
MR. KSH
Quote from: Anmar on August 27, 2010, 05:16:42 PM
name 2 tax hikes that have been initiated and implemented by Pres Obama.
Starting with health care bill, which increases taxes on the medical costs we have, it is a major tax on everyone. Including the poor.
Then you have the tobacco and whiskey tax that he immediately imposed.
Plus the taxes that are to come, still is affecting everyone Now. The businesses are hunkering down bracing for the massive impact of an additional 1 trillion dollars in taxes. Then you have the bank tax, going into effect.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2010, 06:06:03 PM
Maybe I don't under stand "tax hike"that has already happened.There are indeed a bunch for next year, and many exemptions that will stop but there are still a lot of tax credits out there if people just look for them.The new energy efficient furnaces and air conditioner tax credit continues through 2010. The new home and replacement home tax credit is still alive at $8,000 and $6,500.00 (I think) and many more. Some Federal Park user fees went up and Medicare but what else am I missing?
those credits are taxes on other people. sorry but for every dollar you get a credit for someone else has to pay for it in taxes.
Medicare definately went up in prices. plus all of social security recipents effectively got a 4% tax increase when they didn't pay the cola Adjustment.
There you go, no busts. That isn't always a good thing. :police:
When did social security recipients get a 4% increase? Mine hasn't increased since the beginning of 2009.
Steve, I really don't mean to be argumentative, honest, but I don't understand how a tax credit for someone becomes a tax for someone else. I've tried to puzzle it out, but if the Gov't gives me a $1,500 tax credit for my new furnace, (I did) that's money the Gov't doesn't get. How does someone else have to pay it?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 27, 2010, 02:33:05 PM
Don't you ever watch the TV shows where all the convicts are trying to get attention and are always claiming their innocence? Of course you couldn't know about my times on jury duty. All were innocent...just ask'em. I wasn't talking about any live human beings and you know it.
No Diane, I didn't know you weren't talking about live people, not with the way you worded your statement.
What oppurtunity did I see and take? If a person calls you a democrat/liberal/pro-abortion or whatever, it is based on your comments and posts. For example, if you support a womans "right" to have an abortion then guess what...your pro abortion.
No one said that you started the black panther thread, but you did make the comment that we here in Elk County Ks could not have known what happened because we don't live there.
I DO NOT attack the person and not the issue, well,...I don't draw first blood anyway.
As for not understanding what a person has to say, I have no problem with it.
For the last time, I am a moderate Independent, anti abortion except in special circumstances, and like it or not, it's not against the law. I keep waiting for the law to be changed but nobody does anything. As for how I post, I say what I say. Picking apart every word and looking for hidden meanings and trying to analyze me is waste of time. IMHO. You don't get to decide who I am or want to be, I do. I do not have to explain myself to you. Have you ever explained yourself to me? I do not jump to extremes every time some guy says something controversial. I check it out first from as many sources as I can. That's just who I am. and I do find errors and misleading statements or things that are deliberately left out that change the meaning. Do You? I am not an extreme conservative but I do agree with many conservative things. When it comes to politics I am a natural skeptic, because I see the agendas people and the media use to manipulate people and lead people down their chosen path. I hate the labels that some people stick on others for no good reason, just to be hurtful. It never changes anybody's mind about how they feel and just makes people angry, but apparently that's all some people understand. I lost that battle back when it first started so label and slam all you want, but don't expect me to be your or anyone's door mat. I've been a forum member for more than three years and I remember a time when the political chatter was more along the line of what Roma Jean and I did yesterday. There were interesting ideas but no rancor or labels or name calling. It was much more civil. I went back through some very old posts and I could tell you exactly when the ugliness started and which people joined and when that changed the whole tone of the political threads. I've been on here since July 2007 and I was shocked when the labels and name calling started. I was told to suck it up and deal with it. Ok I did, I started to fight back. Well, that didn't suit either. So now I'll tell you all the same thing. Suck it up and deal with it. Put on your big girl panties and take what you throw. I've tried to call a truce several time before but a few of you demand your right to pick on people and won't accept civility. After your big fights with each other over the grass and weeds, well, it guess it's pretty common? Not my business of course, but interesting. Nobody makes you read what I post. If you assume you won't agree then don't read it. By the way, I did go back and found where you did indeed tell me I "didn't have all the facts",not that I didn't understand them. I wouldn't have bothered except I knew with that one I was correct.
As far as the Black Panther thing I don't know why you just don't get it, so I have given up.You will not accept that it wasn't considered a big deal, was seen for what it was ,was dealt with in the courts and that was the end of it. We had local news coverage that you couldn't possibly have seen because it was just that, local. I don't know why you (plural) are so touchy about it. I don't see your local coverage either. So what?
I've been wrong about things occasionally and have apologized but the reverse is not true. I've never received an apology from you or anyone else because you always have to be right. It is not a level playing field. One of you made some nasty cracks about my not having children and how could I possibly be a good teacher because of it. Back in the one room school house days the teachers couldn't even be married, let alone have children, so by that line of reasoning they all had to be rotten teachers. So nobody got a good education? Of course they did and some teachers were very young. Many young teachers todayhaven't gotten married yet so that makes them bad teachers? I don't think so...in fact the reverse,They don't yet have the time commitments of family so they can and do spend even more time making education exiting and meaningful. Now go enjoy your Sunday.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 29, 2010, 10:26:24 AM
For the last time, I am a moderate Independent, anti abortion except in special circumstances, and like it or not, it's not against the law.
For the last time, I never said that you (specifically) were pro-abortion, I merely used that as an EXAMPLE and clearly stated it as such.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 29, 2010, 10:26:24 AM
As for how I post, I say what I say. Picking apart every word and looking for hidden meanings and trying to analyze me is waste of time. IMHO. You don't get to decide who I am or want to be, I do. I do not have to explain myself to you. Have you ever explained yourself to me? I do not jump to extremes every time some guy says something controversial. I check it
I am not looking for hidden meaning in what you say. I merely sum up what you say in much the same way a person will sum up a paragraph they read into 1 or 2 sentences. I don't want to decide who you are or who you want to be. As for you explaining yourself...this is the political thread. If you post something that someone doesn't agree with then you can expect someone to ask for an explaination.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 29, 2010, 10:26:24 AM
I've been a forum member for more than three years and I remember a time when the political chatter was more along the line of what Roma Jean and I did yesterday. There were interesting ideas but no rancor or labels or name calling. It was much more civil. I went back through some very old posts and I could tell you exactly when the ugliness started and which people joined and when that changed the whole tone of the political threads. I've been on here since July 2007 and I was shocked when the labels and name calling started. I was told to suck it up and deal with it.
Interesting...did you happen to check the Forum membership numbers for those times as well?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 29, 2010, 10:26:24 AM
Well, that didn't suit either. So now I'll tell you all the same thing. Suck it up and deal with it. Put on your big girl panties and take what you throw. I've tried to call a truce several time before but a few of you demand your right to pick on people and won't accept civility. After your big fights with each other over the grass and weeds, well, it guess it's pretty common? Not my business of course, but interesting. Nobody makes you read what I post. If you assume you won't agree then don't read it. By the way, I did go back and found where you did indeed tell me I "didn't have all the facts",not that I didn't understand them. I wouldn't have bothered except I knew with that one I was correct.
That goes both ways you know. If you don't like someone or what they post then why do you continue to comment on what they post? You talk about "us" being hypocrtical and twisting and turning and yet you do the same thing, why is that? Why do you get to throw your two cents in on a subject, yet others are supposed to ignore you if they don't like what you have to say?
You said that you found where I stated you "didn't have all the facts" really? Where? Prove it. What thread and post number? If you can, then I will apologize...if not then you're a liar.
HPD officer is accused of taking motorists' money
Undercover operation results in theft chargeBy MIKE GLENN
HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Aug. 23, 2010, 10:51PM
A wad of cash shoved into a Houston police officer's sock led to his arrest after an undercover investigation that he had been taking money from drivers pulled over for traffic violations, officials said.
Matthias Dornellien, 24, was charged Saturday with theft by a public servant. He was later released after posting $5,000 bond.
The investigation that led to his arrest was conducted by Houston police and the District Attorney's Office.
"There were several complaints to HPD internal affairs division about an officer that was stealing money from people detained on traffic," said Donna Hawkins, a spokeswoman for the District Attorney's Office.
Marked money
An undercover investigator drove through the officer's patrol area Friday while carrying $273 in marked bills.
Dornellien stopped the car for a traffic violation. He pocketed the marked bills, handed the investigator a ticket then left without returning the cash, officials said.
Internal affairs investigators quickly stopped the patrol car and found the marked money — $173 on Dornellien's clip board and $100 in his sock, Hawkins said.
Dornellien was taken into custody at the scene. If convicted of the third-degree felony, he could face 2 to 10 years in prison and a fine up to $10,000.
Investigators haven't determined what impact the arrest might have on any other criminal cases Dornellien was involved with as a police officer.
Suspended with pay
Dornellien joined the department in November and was assigned to the south central patrol division, HPD officials said.
He has been relieved of duty with pay pending the outcome of the investigation.
Dornellien could not be reached for comment Monday. His arrest record does not list a lawyer for him.
Dornellien is a member of the Houston Police Officers' Union. The organization will not represent him in his criminal case, officials said.
Brian Rogers contributed to this report.
"This sounds so refreshing -- on this hot August afternoon, just thought I woud share with you all.
Frozen Lemonade Squares"--Jo McDonald
"This sounds really good, but I do have one quick question. Who is Leo and why did he make it? I am now heading for the closet, so I won't get hit by the pan as it whizzes past my head."
"Yeah, but it's such fun!"
"I promise not to do it any more."--Diane Amberg
"You just better double and triple check your own work Miss Perfect...
Better hope your spell check doesn't stop working............................................."--Teresa
To be more precise Diane, you became a member on July 1, 2007. A month and 10 days later on August 11th, give or take a few posts, you had already started with your idiotic spell checking and then as is now, no one likes to hear this foolishness and pettiness that you so like to point out to others. Some people make honest mistakes; they will catch it on their own. Your childish demeanor is not becoming of your age. I have gone back from your beginning and read all of your posts and most of them were very childish. In the future, try to be more of a role model. The younger men and women on here are very intelligent and don't need to be corrected. When they have the facts, you have the facts; but if they have one word out of place you try to pick it apart. I guess what i'm trying to say is that you should check your own closet before you go into others.
Kent
Diane, you may need a cop, it looks like you have a stalker
Well that's pretty good, Shadow. I always figured she was a know it all blabbermouth from way back.
That's Mrs. Blabbermouth to you. Be mad all you want. I never promised to be perfect, just part of the gang for better or worse. I feel like I must be very special if you read all my posts! I guess you'd like my autograph next. Hey Varmit, "Cops at it again" Reply #46 on Aug.26, 2010. "Without having all the facts, how can you make such an accusation." If you still think my sassy sense of humor is out of place I will once again try to tone it down. Other people take friendly swipes at each other and at me, often, and you are going to have to do a lot of reading to reprimand them all. As I have said many times, if I make mistakes I promise to laugh loudest of all, but you didn't quote that that part did you? Because it doesn't suit your purpose. I have on occasion had someone mention one of my errors and I didn't get mad or take it personally. I was glad he mentioned it because it was indeed an error. Some of you give me such great material it is indeed hard to resist, especially when they are funny, but apparently you don't have any sense of humor at all. Even WARPH who can be pretty caustic, has a comment about lack of humor at the bottom of his page. Have you read any of the other posts about grammar and spelling? One person who no longer posts did a whole piece about the difference between your, you're and there, their and they're. Several people, and I can't quite quote it have made comments on the frustration the teachers must have felt when they had students who simply wouldn't or couldn't or refused to take enough pride in their work to use those correctly. Another that sticks out are the misuses of apostrophes. If people don't know the rules, then leave them out! There are many, many, MANY typos on these threads that no one, including me mentions because they are just meaningless typos. I zapped Steve on the that one because he had been ragging on me and I thought it was funny that he didn't correctly spell the word that was so important to what he was saying . It was funny....do you remember funny? Telling me my husband should beat me isn't funny. Well actually it is, because it shows how low people will stoop do be exactly what they don't want to be treated like. I'm on other forums also, exact same me, same goofy quirks ,funny comments about funny mistakes, (they all do it to each other) and I've never had a problem . They also understand true debate and don't let it get so touchy when someone adds additional information or corrects an information error. They just aren't that hostile to each other. So have your fun. I'll just shake my head in amazement as to how far you are willing to take it. I hadn't planned to be on here at all but I saw Varmit try to call me a liar, so I figured, what the heck. So you few (thank God) go on being you and I'll go on being me. It is difficult when I get PMs telling me to stay exactly who I am that they think I'm fine, and then you few want me roasted. Why you can't laugh at your own mistakes or appreciate a different point of view or additional information on a subject is beyond me. So go right ahead, pick this one apart line by line and have your fun.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2010, 10:10:50 PM
Hey Varmit, "Cops at it again" Reply #46 on Aug.26, 2010. "Without having all the facts, how can you make such an accusation."
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 29, 2010, 10:26:24 AM
By the way, I did go back and found where you did indeed tell me I "didn't have all the facts",not that I didn't understand them. I wouldn't have bothered except I knew with that one I was correct.
Okay, fair enough Diane, I apologize. I didn't "try" to call you a liar though. I had went back and did a search on my posts trying to find where I stated "you didn't have all the facts" and didn't find it. In the future if you're going to directly quote somone, then get it straight. I can understand a mistake being made by you, me, or anyone else when they try to paraphrase or summarize what someone says, but not when they directly quote somone.
Good. Enough said.That's over with.
Quote from Dianne
So you few (thank God) go on being you and I'll go on being me. It difficult when I get PMs telling me to stay exactly who I am that they think I'm fine, and then you few want me roasted.
Dianne,
I aint trying to rattle your cage but did it ever occur to you that some people that "PM" you might just do it because they are "shit stirrers ". They like the name calling and fights. There might be a certain person that is not a real friend to you but does it for laughs and giggles.
Of course its possible, I already knew that, but I know this particular group pretty well and I don't think so. That could be said of anybody who PMs anybody and encourages people to continue to lock horns. Was it really necessary to relight this subject? It had run it's course I thought, not to mention way off topic.
Off topic ??? That's funny. We just got a lecture about grammar and spelling---on this thread----and I get scolded for going "off topic " ? :)
I said I was not trying to rattle your cage but just trying to give you food for thought. Oh well !!!!:(
That was not meant to be a scolding, (if I were ever really get mad there wound be an atom bomb not a "scolding") just a question. I thought this topic was done...I guess not. Now someone on another thread is stirring the pot trying to starts something with another poster. It just doesn't quit. That wasn't a "lecture" by me by the way .That was history lesson about others who post too, or did, and why and perhaps I should have said "still' off topic. If you need to have the last word, I'm done, so help yourself. I do wish you'd lighten up a little. ;)
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
September 2, 2010
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7640009
In America, now officially a police state, you will be tasered in your own home if you lip off to the police.
Senior citizen Peter McFarland of Marin County, California, discovered this after he fell down the stairs outside his home last year. On June 29, 2009, McFarland tumbled down the stairs and after his wife called paramedics the cops showed up. They entered McFarland's home and tasered him because they claimed he was suicidal.
"We want to take you to the hospital for an evaluation, you said if you had a gun, you'd shoot yourself in the head," a deputy can be heard saying on a video of the incident captured on a taser mounted camera. McFarland said the comment was hyperbole made because he was in pain.
"Stand up, put your hands behind your back or you're going to be tased," the deputy commanded. McFarland refused, told the police in no uncertain terms to get out of his house, so the cop tased him not once, but three times, as his wife looked on in horror and pleaded with the cops to stop because her husband has a heart condition.
McFarland's lawyer, John Scott, said the cops did not have a search warrant or any reason to enter the McFarland residence. Scott told KGO-TV in San Francisco his client was arrested, jailed and charged with resisting arrest. A judge later dismissed the charge. McFarland has filed suit against the Marin County Sheriff's Department.
Cops no longer need a search warrant in order to enter your home and torture you with a device akin to field telephone magnetos used on prisoners during the Vietnam War.
In fact, far too many cops have no idea what the Fourth Amendment stands for or do they understand that in large part the American Revolution was fought because agents of the crown used general warrants to enter homes, interrogate colonists, and seize "prohibited and uncustomed" goods.
John Adams, founding father and the second president of the United States, viewed these events "as the spark in which originated the American Revolution." Adams and the founders understood a man's home is his castle, as Edward Coke declared a century before, and a fortress "for his defense against injury and violence," a concept that seems to be largely lost on many Americans.
Is it possible the actions of new agents of the crown, in the paid service of bankers and transnational corporations, will contribute to a new revolution? Or will we continue to tolerate ever increasing brutality from sadistic cops who enter our homes illegally and torture us for refusing to obey commands and for the impertinence of telling them to mind their own business?
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Tell me again about how cops are here to help? Tell me again about why we should trust these a**holes. Tell me again about why the average citizens shouldn't be armed better than these badge touting nazis.
These "cops" should be put in a maxium security prison in general population with "I'm a Cop" tattooed across their foreheads.
Feds Convict Texan for Selling a Gun to Illegal Alien With Texas Driver's License
Peaceable Texans For Firearms Rights
September 2, 2010
(PRESS RELEASE – Download .doc) In Federal District Court on July 20, 2010, the ATF won a conviction from an Austin jury that defies logic and reason.
In a trial before Federal Judge Sam Sparks, government lawyers conceded Texas resident Paul Copeland did not know his buyer was an illegal alien, but the jury they should convict him anyway because he "had reasonable cause to believe" he was selling to an illegal alien because the two men and a boy who were present at his table at the time of the sale: 1) were Hispanic, 2) spoke Spanish, and 3) wore cowboy clothing. And the jury did as asked. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Freel acted as lead prosecutor in the case.
The firearm transaction at issue occurred on January 16, 2010, at a gunshow at the North Austin Events Center, at 10601 N. Lamar Blvd., in Austin, Texas. Undercover ATF agents followed Mr. Huerta, his son, and another Hispanic male, Hipolito Aviles, around the "Texas Gunshow" that day, and claimed to observe Huerta's transaction. Austin P.D. used Copeland's case as the reason to close down the gunshow, leading to a protest by Austin residents in front of APD headquarters on January 25.
"Austin Police Department Firearm Review Unit detectives assisted in the Austin portion of the operation. They observed and participated in multiple arrests of prohibited persons (primarily convicted felons and illegal immigrants) that obtained firearms illegally at a local gun show. Federal convictions were obtained in a majority of the cases," the press release states.
Mr. Copeland is a 56 year old Cedar Creek resident and Vietnam veteran who liked to buy, sell, and trade firearms as a hobby. On January 16, however, he had the misfortune to sell a handgun to Leonel Huerta Sr., who spoke both English and Spanish. Huerta Sr. negotiated his purchase from Copeland in English, showing Copeland his Texas Driver's License. At Copeland's trial Huerta admitted on the witness stand, that he is in the country illegally, (Huerta Sr. had previously admitted this fact to Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) Special Agent Leo Buentello). ATF Agent Shawn Kang claimed he saw Huerta later hand off the gun to Aviles. Despite these admissions, Huerta Sr. was never arrested, charged, or deported. Instead, his presence at the gunshow was used to entrap an American citizen into an unwitting violation of a federal gun control law. Huerta Sr., who is a resident of the City of Austin, appeared as a witness at the trial, admitted he was in the country illegally before federal prosecutors and a federal judge, yet he was allowed to leave the courtroom under his own power. To date Huerta Sr. has not been prosecuted for his purchase, possession, or disposition of the handgun he bought from Copeland, while Copeland is now a convicted felon.
"Instead of busting the illegal alien for buying, they bust the citizen for selling," commented Paul Velte, attorney and founder of Peaceable Texans for Firearms Rights, a gun-owners rights advocacy group from Austin. Velte asked, "who was in a better position to know the buyer's immigration status, the buyer or the seller?" He also said, "What happened to Paul Copeland should enrage all Americans. The Federal Government is using illegal aliens to entrap citizens lawfully exercising their right to sell firearms. The illegal alien walks free, but the citizen gets convicted. The same government charged with controlling immigration is the one using illegal immigrants to attack its own citizens. Does this make any sense? It makes no sense unless the purpose is to discourage attendance at gunshows and frighten citizens from selling their firearms to other citizens."
Velte pointed out that "There is no way for a citizen to know who is here legally or not. In fact, under Austin's 'sanctuary city' policy, not even the police officer at the door of the gunshow was allowed to ask a person's immigration status, yet the average Texan inside the show is expected to assume that a person standing before them with a Texas driver's license is in the country illegally just because they look Mexican and speak Spanish."
Velte noted that the federal government's lawsuit against Arizona was based on that very type of conduct: Concluding someone could be here illegally based on their looks or their language. Velte said gun owners in his group are outraged, and they want to know:
• Why is the illegal alien who purchased the gun, Leonel Huerta Sr., still living in Austin?
• Why does he still have a Texas Driver's license?
• Why is ATF using illegal aliens to set up and convict American citizens?
• What has he been promised for his cooperation?
• Why has he not been prosecuted? He committed three distinct crimes: he purchased a firearm knowing he was an illegal alien, he possessed the firearm, and he transferred the handgun to another illegal alien (Hippolito Aviles, who was convicted and given time served on June 30, 2010).
• Why has Huerta Sr. not been deported?
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Sometimes theres just not enough words...
wierd, it sounds like they want people to profile...
Quote from: Anmar on September 03, 2010, 03:50:00 PM
wierd, it sounds like they want people to profile...
Profile hell, just don't sell to a mexican. Period. Simple, to the point and protect your own ass.