I have recently been cited and ordered to court to determine a daily fine over two vehicles on my property. Parked on a cement slab and not on blocks.
I took about a thirty minute drive around town and the links below will show what I found.
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The City needs to decide, if they want it to be pristine around Howard they may want to hire me because I would be fair across the board on these matters.
Quote from: David on August 13, 2010, 07:37:38 PM
I have recently been cited and ordered to court to determine a daily fine over two vehicles on my property. Parked on a cement slab and not on blocks.
I took about a thirty minute drive around town and the links below will show what I found.
http://cid-d85ecc23577c2cf5.skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?page=play&resid=D85ECC23577C2CF5!2613&Bpub=SDX.Photos&Bsrc=GetSharingLink (http://cid-d85ecc23577c2cf5.skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?page=play&resid=D85ECC23577C2CF5!2613&Bpub=SDX.Photos&Bsrc=GetSharingLink)
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The City needs to decide, if they want it to be pristine around Howard they may want to hire me because I would be fair across the board on these matters.
Bunch of busybodies that can't leave folks alone.
Whatever happened to a mans' home being his castle? No matter if his home is a penthouse or a trailer house, his property is his property. And just how in the hell do you register a vehicle with no title? They want everyone to get rid of all their vehicles. I have vehicles that don't run but i'm damned sure not getting rid of them due to the sentimental value and the rarity of them. When they start paying our taxes then they can damn sure tell us what to have on our property! Law or no law. I did read one time of a man who had old farm machinery on his property, using them as planters, decorations and what not and his house wasn't painted and they thought this was just an eyesore. So after the man painted his house and put up an old tin fence, I think they understood what an eyesore could be. The rusty old, hole ridden fence that they had required him to put up to hide his "junk" as they called it and the horrible colors that he painted his house, even tho it was fresh, brand new paint, not my choice of colors being pink, purple and green. According to the article, the man said it didn't bother him before and it didn't bother him now.
Loved the pictures - thank you. And I totally agree with you.
The county vehicles, in the county yard and by the recycling trailer, are the vehicles that Wilma has mentioned elsewhere, wishing they could be cleaned.
At least two of those groups of vehicles have been sited for unsightly whatevers, just like you. They also thought it was unfair. One guy had tagged cars, up to date, and still got warnings.
I can't believe you are defending lazy pieces of shit.
I sure hope who ever took those pictures never needs a sewer line dug up or water leak fixed. I think you have to draw a line about commercial and residential addresses. The city is not zoned but you can't have a golfcourse manicured lawn with dozer parked on it for very long. It just doesn't work like that.
If you speed when there is no cop around is it still speeding? If you murder someone and no one saw you do it is it still wrong?
These laws have been on the books for years. The abandoned vehicle ordinances and the grass height is not a new thing. The only thing new is the fact that someone is actually doing their job. You agree with the fact that the law is the law. Well if you don't like the rules change them. If you don't like the fact that in a city you have to follow city ordinances then move. They have been too easy for too long and many people have taken advantage of the fact that no one cared what your house looks like.
How many abandoned buildings should the taxpayers have to pay for before the landowners get off their asses and fix their shit up? Why does the city mow neglected and abandoned property but won't mow my yard? Why do deadbeats get their heat left on when it is cold?
Why aren't you more proactive and take pictures of the gorgeous places around town that don't have issues and explain why their taxes are higher than the ones pictured?
Now theres that fine Elk County hospitality, ADP!!
Why should businesses get a pass and be allowed to look like crap if everyone else has to tow the line? If they are going to enforce the law then it should be across the board and they should quit playing favorites.
I didn't say that businesses should get a pass. But if you are the guy hired to haul in the wrecked car, truck, dozer, tractor, or ther vehicle then you have to put them somewhere.
You should not trash your yard because your neighbor trashes his yard. If you want to leave your crap laying around fine. But lay it around where it is legal to do so.
I personally like the johnson grass growing next to the weed department it adds character. I just shows that employees are like little kids they have to be told exactly what to do and when to do it. No one likes to mow or weed but if you don't you will hear about it from someone. But someone should have the initiative to get the job done. There are 24hours in a day. What happened to pride in your work? Where is the 4-H motto to make the best better? Money....YOU think you have to be paid to do a decent thing.
Quote from: Varmit on August 14, 2010, 02:44:08 PM
Now theres that fine Elk County hospitality, ADP!!
If you want hospitality say hi to the greeter the next time you are in Wal-Mart.
Quote from: Varmit on August 14, 2010, 02:44:08 PM
Why should businesses get a pass and be allowed to look like crap if everyone else has to tow the line? If they are going to enforce the law then it should be across the board and they should quit playing favorites.
If you paid half of what the commercial business that were pictured in taxes you could bitch or complain or call foul but you don't. You just want every one to do his or her own thing. Well if your pos property brings down the value of my neighborhood then I have a problem with your pos. If your idea is that we should all just live and let live then quit complaining and start paying. Every dilapidated house or business that doesn't bring in revenue costs the entire community.
I want growth and prosperity. I want broken shit fixed. I want unsafe structures removed or fixed. You bought it, you own it therefore it is your responsibility to keep it up..
It is your civic responsibility to make it better then when you got it.
Maybe the weed department and road and bridge department are out fixing/working on all of the other complaints going on...Just sayin...There's a LOT of county to be taken care of...
I've seen a lot of lawn care service workers yards and guess what? There's are grassy and full of weeds and not mowed down short to the ground! They have to work and take care of others' yards so they don't have the time for their "own"...
Yes, Johnson grass is a noxious weed...Anybody with it on their property is supposed to spray it and eradicate it or be subject to fines. Even ones living south of Howard, looking down on everyone else.
P.S. This does include pastures!
I was not talking about the road and bridge department. I was referring the weed and abandoned vehicles to the weed and sheriffs offices. We have a human hired to be a person to deal with the weeds in the county. I was referring to that one. The truck with the engine out of it looks like a good start to a weed sprayer tank trailer if a guy had a welder.
So what does that have to do with unregistered vehicles/abandoned....Maybe you should start a different thread. Or I could run with this one...
There are no pastures in the city limits. There are fenced city lots with horses, cattle or other production livestock that is allowed in the city limits but the noxious weed problem is the same in the county also. Swine are not allowed. They really like johnsongrass though. But if you let them graze it in the wrong stage of growth you could have digestive problem, bloat, or death of the animal.
As I don't own any pastures south of Howard I would not know the status of the noxious weed inventory.
I have sprayed the entire plantation in which I reside even the slave quarters food plots with glyphosate at least once a month. It is an evolving herbicidal trek. I kill out the poison hemlock and the Johnson grass grabs hold I kill out the Johnson grass and the hemlock comes back. I have tried ground sterilizer but it only worked for a few years. It has been a fun journey. I do it after my paying job of sweeping the side walk of discarded cigarette butts.
I really don't understand the discarding of the cigarette butts at all. If I purchased something that costs like per ounce like half the debt on my house( this is hypothetical because I don't have any house debt) in a little box from a close but convenient store I would not just discard the remnants hither and yawn. I bet you have never seen any of my lobster carcasses laying next to your place of business. Not once have I put my caviar tins in your flower pots. I keep them, stuff them, and hang them on the wall like a hunting trophy. But every day some one reminds me that they have a lot disposable income(money) and don't care about cancer risks or tooth decay. It must start with the expired a b c gum and evolve to Camels. . I'm just sayin'.
Quote from: ADP on August 14, 2010, 04:36:26 PM
I personally like the johnson grass growing next to the weed department it adds character.
So the fact that Kansas law say it must be controlled doesn't matter? If those responsible for enforcement won't comply, well...
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 14, 2010, 04:45:13 PM
Maybe the weed department and road and bridge department are out fixing/working on all of the other complaints going on...Just sayin...There's a LOT of county to be taken care of...
I've seen a lot of lawn care service workers yards and guess what? There's are grassy and full of weeds and not mowed down short to the ground! They have to work and take care of others' yards so they don't have the time for their "own"...
Yes, Johnson grass is a noxious weed...Anybody with it on their property is supposed to spray it and eradicate it or be subject to fines. Even ones living south of Howard, looking down on everyone else.
P.S. This does include pastures!
I can't see down the hill because of the height of the overgrown brush and trees. We haven' even started on that. We should start two new threads.
There is a "weed office?" Seriously? I'd be worried about rats too.
To ADP Pep electric. You should be ashamed Sir over your blind attacks and your judgmental attitude. You should also be ashamed of your language that you used. My children read these forums. Are you upset because I might have captured a picture of the landfill in your yard...
You missed my point entirely, but I forgot your I.Q. is only three, let me break out the construction paper and crayons for you. If you will scroll up you ignorant close minded bastard you may see my point. It is obvious to me that you are a spoiled little rich kid who has never had to work for anything. MY POINT WAS, THAT IF THE CITY WAS GONNA PUSH FOR ANYTHING IT SHOULD BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE ACROSS THE BOARD.
You dumb Bastard; the city doesn't work that way. It works for your lazy butt living on daddies money. I have fought for everything in my life and you are nothing but a nuisance needing a swat.
If we are gonna make this city clean, then lets clean it all up, not just the poor, I want the County yards clean, the City yards clean, fairness across the boards, But is not about fairness with you, it is what you are entitled to from Daddies money. I know you Peppy Le Pew and if it wasn't for your beautiful and intelligent wife and Daddies money you would be prostituting yourself just to get a bed at night.
I will pray for you friend; someday you might find the wisdom and understanding for your fellow man and truly have a grasp on reality.
I am most sorry if I have been unkind or rude in any fashion. I am just a man who tries to see reason and I will not tolerate personal attacks from anyone!
ROTFLMBO
David...very well said Sir, outstanding!!
ADP, you know maybe...just maybe the two, count'em two folks we have hired as the "weed control office" are working their butts off taking care of the entire county weed issue. People have called and complained because there were guys in the road and bridge crew (and yes that includes weed guy) still at the shops doin maintance on the vehicles. So we basically stopped doing that. How do you think the complainers would react if they saw the crews preforming yard maintaince on the shop yards? They would say that the crews should be out and about working on the roads, and you know it.
And maybe, just maybe the crews could get a hell of alot more work done if people that owned pastures and property would keep the trees, bushes, out of the ditches on the property that they owned.
Oh, and speaking of "making things better" and "civic responsibility" and "doing the right thing" I don't see you volunteering to help fix anyting up? Or help the Weed dept. by doing a little spraying or weed pulling around the yards? Maybe if you were on the crews "you could bitch or complain or call foul but you.." aren't. And since its "your civic responsibility" to leave your property better then when you bought it, quit complaining about the cigarette butts on the sidewalk.
OMG! ROTFLMAO! That is funny as hell! Great job, David and Varmit!
There are noxious weed departments in every county of this state and as far as for rats, there ain't that many around. We eat 'em down here!
Forgive me for being an outsider but truly I have no idea what the complaint is. You either have a law about about weeds and tall grass or you don't. If you do, then if you aren't compliant you can be cited and fined. Is the problem because they only respond to complaints and that doesn't seem fair to those were complained about? If other properties have not had a complaint they are left alone? Are absentee landlords supposed to hire someone to keep vacant properties cut and weed treated? Are others being cited now? Is citation something that starts in August because of the Johnson grass? What are the duties of a "weed office?" David, can you appeal?
As far as rats go we deep fry'em and serve them to unsuspecting tourists as musk rat. (that's a joke folks!)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 15, 2010, 10:35:12 AM
Forgive me for being an outsider but truly I have no idea what the complaint is. You either have a law about about weeds and tall grass or you don't. If you do, then if you aren't compliant you can be cited and fined. Is the problem because they only respond to complaints and that doesn't seem fair to those were complained about? If other properties have had not had a complaint they are left alone? Are absentee landlords supposed to hire someone to keep vacant properties cut and weed treated? Are others being cited now? Is citation something that starts in August because of the Johnson grass? What are the duties of a "weed office?" David, can you appeal?
As far as rats go we deep fry'em and serve them to unsuspecting tourists as musk rat. (that's a joke folks!)
All the weed law is, is a revenue generating stream. Its only enforced when the county needs money. And like david says, if he's gotta comply so does the county offices, and business owners. IMAGINE IF they applied the unregistered abandoned vehicle law to some place like Harrods?? GASP can you imagine the fallout!
Harrods? Like the Casino? It must not be.They wouldn't tolerate it for a moment.
Lol! Harrahs is the casino! ;D Harrods is a shop that works on heavy equipment and a few cars.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Wow. This is quite the topic that got some tempers flaring. OMG.
David, is this court thing a a summons from the "neat" police from the City of Howard to go to court or is this something that the county is doing?
If this is a City of Howard request to go to court, what is the ordinance about unregistered vehicles on private property? Can anyone answer that?
Hi Janet,
This is indeed from the neat police (city). This is over two vehicles, (unregistered) that the city refers to as abbandoned and sitting on private property.
Well, I took time out today to drive around town and not a lot has changed. They have for some reason cut the grass down around the county yard, looks nice. Makes it a lot easier to see all the junk vehicles within the confines of the yard. To bad I forgot my Camera today! Oh well, maybe next time.
So, what is the ordinance about having unregistered vehicles on private property? I do know that if you don't have a vehicle registered, that means you are not paying taxes on those vehicles unless you have them on your personal property list with the appraiser's office. We own an old, old truck that we pay taxes on every year as personal property and we also pay personal property taxes on a pickup trailer that we have out in the country.
Not knowing what the ordinance is, then it is hard to comment about what the "neat police" are doing, but I do know you should be paying taxes on those vehicles if they are not registered.
I think that because you got a ticket it is none of my business, but it truly PISSES ME OFF because you think you need to involve someone else in your problem. I can clean my little mess up, when I am damb good and ready. I dont need some wining ass* taking pics of my little mess and posting them in protest . Thanks to the pics I now know who you are and what you drive. Concider yourself warned..
The city ordinances reference state laws concerning registration, but you also have state statutes that allow for and off road or salvage title that would exempt you from paying taxes and registration fee's. See section 8-198 of the state statutes.
It doesn't matter anyway, I am unemployed and don't have the money to fight so I have given away two vehicles that had income potential for me. The kid I gave them to is going to rebuild them and collect the profit, something I might have been able to make if the city would but out. These cars were hidden from sight and could not be seen from the street, the kid that picked them up drove three times around the block before he could find them.
The city or the county or the feds have no right to double down on taxes.
Don't threaten me, for God sake you call yourself peanut! (Indian Name=Little Balls) The only reason for the pictures is I want the city to leave us the hell alone. If they are gonna pick on you I want them to hit me also and all of the untouchables around town, like the county yard, the city and Harrods.
For Gods sake man, if you still want to threaten, bring it. I have never been one to count on the laws protection, I find .45 a litlle closer than 911.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on August 16, 2010, 08:36:27 PM
So, what is the ordinance about having unregistered vehicles on private property? I do know that if you don't have a vehicle registered, that means you are not paying taxes on those vehicles unless you have them on your personal property list with the appraiser's office. We own an old, old truck that we pay taxes on every year as personal property and we also pay personal property taxes on a pickup trailer that we have out in the country.
Not knowing what the ordinance is, then it is hard to comment about what the "neat police" are doing, but I do know you should be paying taxes on those vehicles if they are not registered.
I don't know how they do it here, but if its for parts, its no longer a vehicle. Secondly, a nice trick to stop that crap, and no one can do anything about it is, park it, put a fence around it, any kind of fence would do, chicken wire will work too, and put up a sign dedicating it to a deceased pet. ONce that is done, it is considered a memorial. :P
Quote from: srkruzich on August 16, 2010, 09:05:48 PM
I don't know how they do it here, but if its for parts, its no longer a vehicle. Secondly, a nice trick to stop that crap, and no one can do anything about it is, park it, put a fence around it, any kind of fence would do, chicken wire will work too, and put up a sign dedicating it to a deceased pet. ONce that is done, it is considered a memorial. :P
HAHAHAHA! I think I am starting to like you.
Just want you to mind your own Fn business not mine. leave me alone and I will leave you alone. I dont make threats especially in writing.
Well Mister, you got me downright peeing in my Panties... Before you pick a fight with a Man you may want to grow up, or at least educate yourself about what is going on before you make unfounded accusations. And know calling out a man you do not know can be a pretty shaky thing. I wish you and your family best and May God Bless you and your family. But if you truly knew who I was, you would know I never back down and have faced bigger adversaries than you. I am trying to be your friend and trying to help.
Mister, My Grandfather taught me not to make threats, Make promises, threats are empty, Promises are full of resolve.
Quote from: David on August 16, 2010, 09:10:35 PM
HAHAHAHA! I think I am starting to like you.
I hate Theiving Government tax assessors. Especially this states tag department. There is no reason they should be able to charge 100 bucks for a 30 year old vehicle.
I still haven't gotten a answer from them where the 45.00 misc fee goes.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on August 16, 2010, 08:36:27 PM
So, what is the ordinance about having unregistered vehicles on private property? I do know that if you don't have a vehicle registered, that means you are not paying taxes on those vehicles unless you have them on your personal property list with the appraiser's office. We own an old, old truck that we pay taxes on every year as personal property and we also pay personal property taxes on a pickup trailer that we have out in the country.
Not knowing what the ordinance is, then it is hard to comment about what the "neat police" are doing, but I do know you should be paying taxes on those vehicles if they are not registered.
You have always been one of my favorites, but Janet it is not really about taxes or giving to Ceasar what is Ceasars, it is about fair protection under the law. What is good under the law should be good enough for all.
No you have it wrong or maybe just plain stupid . I didnt ask for your help nor do I want it. just was letting you know I didnt like being included in your little battle. Since you did not ask first. I dont threaten and I did not call you out , But if you gat an itch I am up come on by.
Quote from: peanut on August 16, 2010, 09:37:04 PM
No you have it wrong or maybe just plain stupid . I didnt ask for your help nor do I want it. just was letting you know I didnt like being included in your little battle. Since you did not ask first. I dont threaten and I did not call you out , But if you gat an itch I am up come on by.
I am suffering a little butt itch and if I cant GAT lol some relief I will let you know. Put down your natty lite pup and go to bed. If you cant run with the big DOGS,,, Stay on the porch.
All talk just like your GRAMPA
This started out about fair treatment under the law??? I never meant to hurt anyone, just to raise awareness, Now I find myself with pistol in hand over mindless threats... I have always been a very just man, I was raised on a Ranch in Arizona and learned early on to be a fair man, Those Cowboys taught me well, Thank you Cotton Logan. The only answer to violence is a greater and stronger violence that stops the fighting. This is not the path I will take for now. The only way to survive the rising storm is to lock arms in unity. Will you all stop fighting me, I have not attacked you, I have tried to unify you against the unfairness. I say once again; If the City or governing bodies are to have a say it should be across the board in fairness and equality for all.
Quote from: peanut on August 16, 2010, 09:51:35 PM
All talk just like your GRAMPA
Just like a stupid natty lite drinking hick, do you have spell check on your super mac 286 pc? I said Grandfather. But I supose you still say mamma, Gama, gotta take a poopie and oops I pee pee. My Grandfather would have not been so patient with the likes of you. He would have rode over to your house, called you out and shot the life out of you, so keep your cheap shots out of this.
Yippee Ki ayyyy!!!!!
LIfe is hard even harder if you are stupid, just pay your fine.
Quote from: peanut on August 16, 2010, 10:13:19 PM
lmao! picturing you there with you panties on listening to grandfathers stories.
Makes a pervert hot I am sure, but then you just said you love little boys. LOOK IF YOU WANT A FIGHT BRING IT, just be sure your children are taken care of because you will not be going home, not upright, just feet first. I am done talking to you boy, I am a man of action and if you want action. You already said you know who I am and where I am. Bring it, but ask your God for forgiveness first, just to be polite. Because you will be meeting him.
To All who view this I appologize for the meaness. I will not be attacked verbally by any man and I will always answer with the same stern response my Grandfather taught me. Most of you are very wonderful understanding people, Thank you.
the pictures posted here are also on Facebook, so if I have pissed you off here with the truth you may want to know you are on facebook also, plus many other venues.
Quote from: peanut on August 16, 2010, 10:20:15 PM
LIfe is hard even harder if you are stupid, just pay your fine.
Ahhhh! Sweet surrender from little balls. He even has to steal a John Wayne quote to answer.
David & Peanuts,
I don't know who either of you are and maybe I should mind my own business but I think both should take a step back and catch your breath. Sometimes in the heat of the moment we let our emotions get the best of us and we do things we later regret. Spending endless night sitting on the edge of your bed, staring into the darkness , chain smoking cigarettes, and wishing we had handled things differently, aint no fun.
Quote from: jarhead on August 16, 2010, 10:50:12 PM
David & Peanuts,
I don't know who either of you are and maybe I should mind my own business but I think both should take a step back and catch your breath. Sometimes in the heat of the moment we let our emotions get the best of us and we do things we later regret. Spending endless night sitting on the edge of your bed, staring into the darkness , chain smoking cigarettes, and wishing we had handled things differently, aint no fun.
Semper Fi Brother. He just let his panty wearing ass push a little farther than his boots could carry him. I thank you for your input Troop.
Dang, had to check this one out... heard some rumors about someone selling surplus male testosterone pills on his thread. Wrong info.... :D
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As suggested in a previous post, time to take a deep breath.....
Great pic Kjell and great advice.
Wow... I never thought I'd read some of the stuff I've seen in this thread from a local forum. Definitely some very uncalled for posts in here. :o
Anyway... I think what the city is doing is some BS. Buuuut... what do I know? I just like my cars is all. If it wasn't for the politicians ruining our economy further and further, I would have the money to fix my cars up like I want to. Some of the cars I have were purchased for making money off of but apparently the city doesn't care. There goes more of my hard earned money. :(
Can't you all find or start someplace out on the edge of town where you could legally store all the junk cars and the like where you don't have close neighbors? We don't allow "outdoor " storage here either for old vehicles, campers, trailers, boats or the like, but there are storage yards and storage buildings where people can store things like that. It would have to be cheaper than paying a fine.
You know it would be one thing if this were happening in witchita or topkea or some other big city, but this in howard. Small town Elk county, where alot of folks choose to live in order to get away from all the BS and infringment on private property rights. Now, if the city wants to have an "eyesore" ordiance then fine, but enforce it across the board, and that means city/county property also. Frankly, I think that type of ordinance is wrong, but that is just my 2 cents.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 17, 2010, 02:47:46 PM
Can't you all find or start someplace out on the edge of town where you could legally store all the junk cars and the like where you don't have close neighbors? We don't allow "outdoor " storage here either for old vehicles, campers, trailers, boats or the like, but there are storage yards and storage buildings where people can store things like that. It would have to be cheaper than paying a fine.
Diane its the principle of the thing. IF I own property, then i'll be damned if i have to go rent a storage area to store my stuff. Thats pure BULLS***. One thing i am hoping to do is get my dads camaro that we restored back here. That car will never be registered again as it doesn't roll on the road. its a show car. It will be towed on a trailer. so no reason to register it.
So no one can come along and tell me its a junk car, and there is no need for registration.
Quote from: Varmit on August 17, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
You know it would be one thing if this were happening in witchita or topkea or some other big city, but this in howard. Small town Elk county, where alot of folks choose to live in order to get away from all the BS and infringment on private property rights. Now, if the city wants to have an "eyesore" ordiance then fine, but enforce it across the board, and that means city/county property also. Frankly, I think that type of ordinance is wrong, but that is just my 2 cents.
They couldn't get it enforced county wide. Can you imagine the fubar that would happen. They would declare sheds as eyesores, rotted fenceposts, ect....
Doesn't that kind of thing affect your property values? I'd hate to be a real estate agent trying to sell a house with a bunch of dead cars and 10 foot weeds next door.
If the places here start showing signs of disrepair or weeds etc. someone will check to see if someone is ill or has been hurt. If that is the case we get together and help out until they are back on their feet. Our service organizations also will make simple repairs such as torn screens, broken windows, loose steps etc.,especially for our elderly. Perhaps you could get together and work on such a project? Perhaps help cut each others weeds and at least straighten up some of the eyesores? Would covering the vehicles with tarps make them look more like "projects" and less like eyesores? People used to help each other bring their crops in, can't you all get together on something like this? I grew up out in the country with nobody nearby so we also had the privilege putting "stuff" behind the barn and the chicken house. That just does not translate well into town living where you have blocks, not acres or sections to put stuff on that is either hidden or so far away you don't notice it. I do hope you can work this out.
Diane -
I think it's not really that big of a deal - that a mountain is being made out of a mole hill.
There are some properties with junk vehicles on them - and at times ours has been one of them. The majority of the properties are around town and pretty much out of sight. We have a couple on the highway - but at least one of them has been there for years.
When driving around Howard, it's basically a pretty town. The county yard does have a lot of dead vehicles, but then again it's not on a main thoroughfare. (Howard doesn't have that many main thoroughfares anyhow - ;).)
I know a couple of people that have been cited for unsightly property and the cars were on the rolls as personal property.
Latham, Kansas with a population of 200 has a city ordinance against abandon vehichles( not tagged or in running condition). And certainly did help the looks of the town.
Mom, I hoped that was the case. When we were in Howard in 2008 we drove every street in town because I had forgotten my Grandmothers house address and we were hunting for it and touring around and I don't remember it being bad at all. Of course as Great says any town is going to look better without dead vehicles.
If they do start fully enforcing this BS they better fix the roads. I'm absolutely tired of these horrible roads. There's a pothole in an intersection I commonly go through that's probably a good 3 to 4 feet in diameter and probably 1 foot deep. The fix (after quite a long time)... fill with asphalt without making it level.
I'm glad it was at least patched up but if the city truly wants to get serious about "blights" their horrible roads need to be fixed too.
In the end though I still think its BS. I really think this law is as stupid as an ugly law. Why don't we get one of those as well? There are too many fat, ugly people in the world... they're a blight if you ask me. Oh wait... I'm fat and ugly. What oh what am I to do. ::)
I personally like being able to drive around looking at old cars laying around that could be possible gems to rebuild. I did find a rare vehicle here in town that I was going to rebuild but the city said get rid of it. Shouldn't have given in because I'm still very pissed about that.
If people want property values to go up, the best way would be to bring in business. If there's no business here as well as a failing school, among many other things, good looks aren't going to help much at all. Its not really the greatest of ideas to trust in property as a strong investment for money down the road, especially now. Plus, if you do everything you can to make your property as "valuable" as possible you'll eventually out-price what people can pay for your home. Think of some of the larger cities in California. The house I bought here in town for $20k-something would probably be over $700,000 in San Francisco (before the housing collapse). There are many people out there that could never afford something like that. That's just absolutely ridiculous for such a small, simple house to be that price but that's what happens when property values get out of control. I'm sure you could find a good medium... but I'd rather be free in choosing what I can do with my property than to sweat over what my house will sell for when its time to move up. My house was cheaper than a new car I bought. The house will retain its value better than the car but I don't expect either to bring me big money later in life.
After we got the notice I looked up the state laws that were mentioned in the "blight law" and from all that I've read, its not illegal to have an unregistered car unless you're driving on the road. As far as taxes go, they need to stop charging unconstitutional property taxes before I give a flip about that part of it. Grrr >:(
;D
You young Man make more sense than most I have seen.
I would like to appologize to all in this forum, but when I am told by a member;
QuoteI think that because you got a ticket it is none of my business, but it truly PISSES ME OFF because you think you need to involve someone else in your problem. I can clean my little mess up, when I am damb good and ready. I dont need some wining ass* taking pics of my little mess and posting them in protest . Thanks to the pics I now know who you are and what you drive. Concider yourself warned..
I rather view that as a threat and I have never been one to run and hide. Read this and think how you would react if threatened.
Forgive me for being me.
David, old saying that i love.... Be as harmless as a Dove yet wise as a serpent
Quote from: David on August 17, 2010, 09:29:44 PM
I met with the city court today and though I felt the level of fines were unjust for me, I really thought they were bordering on cruel for most of those accused. Many questions were asked about fairness and singling people out, all were dismissed. The decisions of the court were clearly decided before these people, (The Accused) walked in the door. For those who sit on the City Council, do not feel protected for justice finds us all in the end. The persecuted and trampled upon will find their legs again and rise. May God bless those less fortunate and may you find a way to serve your fellow Man.
They don't care about justice, they just want money. Tahts the only reason their out there harassing people.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 17, 2010, 09:45:40 PM
They don't care about justice, they just want money. Tahts the only reason their out there harassing people.
Well they collected a lot today.
Quote from: David on August 17, 2010, 09:17:54 PM
I would like to appologize to all in this forum, but when I am told by a member;
I rather view that as a threat and I have never been one to run and hide. Read this and think how you would react if threatened.
Forgive me for being me.
When it comes to a forum I would click the "Report to moderator" link at the bottom right of the problem post. That way the moderators are notified of an issue, can check it out, and can handle it from there (whether it be delete or modify the post and contact the person or leave it as a lesson, whatever they choose to do to handle the situation). That's where I would start. ;)
you know i would just work on my old car.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 18, 2010, 09:19:06 PM
you know i would just work on my old car.
I was just curious to learn about the Goats. We went to Bartlesville today and saw many ranches along the way with goats and minature goats. I was just curious if they are pets? food? or used for milk! Such pretty creatures.
Quote from: David on August 19, 2010, 10:38:58 PM
I was just curious to learn about the Goats. We went to Bartlesville today and saw many ranches along the way with goats and minature goats. I was just curious if they are pets? food? or used for milk! Such pretty creatures.
I am guessing they are boer goats. The are meat goats. usually a white and brown spotted goat.
mine are angoras and lamacha's. angora are fiber goats and lamachas are milk goats
They are beutiful animals. I had one we called Billy but he got mean as hell. He would but anything me mostly. I thank you for the knowledge you have given me, David
What? We've abandoned our vehicles for goats! :laugh: :laugh:
Hook 'em up to a cart and you're in business...no gas needed ;) I can't imagine abandoned goat carts would be much of a problem.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2010, 12:25:52 PM
Hook 'em up to a cart and you're in business...no gas needed ;) I can't imagine abandoned goat carts would be much of a problem.
I don't see how they can force you to tag a vehicle if it isn't used on the road. That is the ONLY reason for a tag.
Heck half the time some of the folks around here run around without one cause they knock em off. Heck its rare that I even carry my wallet and dl unless i am going to the store.
Tagging a vehicle is not required as long as it stays off the roads, but paying taxes on it is. We did this for several years with a couple of vehicles we didn't need to drive at the time. We always paid the taxes on them.
Heck if folks are running around here half of the time without tags, maybe you should do your civic duty and turn them in to the law so they can pay their fair share of the taxes instead of the rest of us footing the bill.
Quote from: greatguns on August 22, 2010, 10:31:32 PM
Heck if folks are running around here half of the time without tags, maybe you should do your civic duty and turn them in to the law so they can pay their fair share of the taxes instead of the rest of us footing the bill.
Why would anyone help the state steal money??
Quote from: greatguns on August 22, 2010, 10:31:32 PM
Heck if folks are running around here half of the time without tags, maybe you should do your civic duty and turn them in to the law so they can pay their fair share of the taxes instead of the rest of us footing the bill.
I think I'll pass. People pay enough tax on a vehicle as it is. Sales tax of the vehicle and a ton of tax through fuel over the lifetime of the car. I see no need to report someone for not paying an unconstitutional tax. ;D
Quote from: mtcookson on August 23, 2010, 09:08:36 AM
I think I'll pass. People pay enough tax on a vehicle as it is. Sales tax of the vehicle and a ton of tax through fuel over the lifetime of the car. I see no need to report someone for not paying an unconstitutional tax. ;D
thank you and on top of it, i am not a snitch.
YOU'RE SO SPECIAL! If everyone paid their fair share, perhaps mine wouldn't be so high. But go ahead and bitch about the roads that don't suit you and all your other little problems. It, afterall is pretty entertaining for some.
Was that snitch or did you just mispell a word?
Quote from: greatguns on August 23, 2010, 02:18:40 PM
YOU'RE SO SPECIAL! If everyone paid their fair share, perhaps mine wouldn't be so high. But go ahead and bitch about the roads that don't suit you and all your other little problems. It, afterall is pretty entertaining for some.
"Their fair share"... The state in NOT taxing everyone "their fair share"! Direct taxes are supposed to be apportioned across the population. Therefore, we should all pay the exact same amount of property tax on a vehicle (and home) regardless of what kind of vehicle it is. Say that amount is supposed to be $20, for instance. If they're taxing us properly you would pay $20 whether you had a Yugo or a Ferrari. Instead, they tax based on the type of vehicle it is and the age of it.
Lets take some of my current and past vehicles for example and calculate taxes based on Sedgwick County.
2000 Volkswagen Beetle TDI:
New Vehicle Class - 017
Property Tax - $55.43
1991 Nissan 300ZX non turbo:
New Vehicle Class - 022
Property Tax - $22.16
1991 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo:
New Vehicle Class - 024
Property Tax - $24.43
1991 Infiniti Q45:
New Vehicle Class - 025
Property Tax - $25.56
And, since I'm apparently "big pimpin'" with all my money and can afford a shiny new car the State wants:
2008 Mazda CX-7 GT 2WD:
New Vehicle Class - 021
Property Tax - $311.92
If you're doing REALLY well and do get a Ferrari:
2008 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
New Vehicle Class - 142
Property Tax - $3,593.84
Even better still:
2009 Mercedes SLR McLaren:
New Vehicle Class: 230
Property Tax: $7,036.19
I've bought quite a few cars for less than that. Heck, I bought the Beetle for less than that Mercedes' property tax alone. :o
I think the guy that owns Flint Oak owns one of those SLR's. Not sure of the year but I surely do feel sorry for him when he goes to pay those ridiculous taxes. I don't care how much money he makes, ITS NOT RIGHT and more importantly ITS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL! When oh when will we stop letting our government go out of control like this. :-\
Just remembered, I've spent more on a computer than I have on some of my cars yet I don't have to pay property tax on it... which is weird since I can do so much more with a computer these days. Don't get me wrong, I could never go without my cars but with where the internet is at you can do so much with a computer that I bet its safe to say the internet and computers made a bigger difference to the world compared to cars. I DO still pay taxes for it technically though as I paid sales tax when I bought it and pay sales tax on the internet service monthly. Hmm... kind of sounds similar to the situation with cars. Wonder why we have to pay property tax on cars in that case.
Oh... and if someone from the government is watching don't even THINK about getting the idea to put property tax on my computer. Talk about an uprising if they did that...! On second though, do it... I bet THAT would open the eyes of the people. ;D
I'm not saying it couldn't be improved on, but that doesn't mean that some should not have to run with tags and some should. Just my opinion and everyone knows opinions are just like a**holes, everybody has one.
Why does Kansas do that? Not enough other income?
Ok, now I see the problem. In 2009 156 Elk County people got $603,823.00 in farm subsidies according to USDA. I think Kansas wants their money back. :P
Hold on there, Diane...Farm welfare is a taboo subject... :o ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 23, 2010, 04:43:59 PM
Why does Kansas do that? Not enough other income?
Kansas politicians have never seen a tax they didn't like. One problem is they are anti industry unless its aircraft. One bad practice they do is give 10 year tax breaks to new businesses, then when the 10 years are up, they rape the companies which in turn makes it more cost effective for them to move elsewhere. so industry leaves. So you don't have any good paying jobs.
If they actually had a brain in their heads, they would be bringing in all kinds of industry and keeping the taxes lower than any other state. Then there would be more revenue. But as it is now, they can't tax people that aren't working so they tax everything else.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 23, 2010, 05:03:57 PM
Ok, now I see the problem. In 2009 156 Elk County people got $603,823.00 in farm subsidies according to USDA. I think Kansas wants their money back. :P
damn who got that??
Quote from: srkruzich on August 23, 2010, 05:25:47 PM
damn who got that??
http://farm.ewg.org/top_recips.php?fips=20049&progcode=total&yr=2009®ionname=ElkCounty,Kansas
Since I will be moving to Ks guess I will keep my 99 REgal. Will they charge more because it has a supercharger?
;D Probably!! ;D
Quote from: mtcookson on August 23, 2010, 06:31:32 PM
http://farm.ewg.org/top_recips.php?fips=20049&progcode=total&yr=2009®ionname=ElkCounty,Kansas
Dang, some of them have raked in almost a million in subsidies
God love the Church that is in farming.
Great guns your are right, opinions are like A** H*les and yours stinks. I want more freedom for all I am tired of the tyranical state taxing everything we do. Give us freedom and allow us to grow.
Which one stinks? Didn't know you had been that close to me. :P
I can smell it from a long ways away, people like you stink! it usually floats on the air. The original quote is: Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one and they usually stink. Happy trails to you.
Freedom has its life in the hearts, the actions, the spirit of men and so it must be daily earned and refreshed - else like a flower cut from its life-giving roots, it will wither and die. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower
My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular. ~Adlai Stevenson, speech, Detroit, 1952
God bless you, you are such a wonderful person. I truly wish you well.
Very sweet of you!
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on August 23, 2010, 06:58:40 PM
Since I will be moving to Ks guess I will keep my 99 REgal. Will they charge more because it has a supercharger?
Around $10 more for the supercharger option, based on Sedgwick.
Smart kid, I would listen to him.
How did this post go from unregistered vehicle tickets to how much to register my regal, Why doesnt the state just be fair across the board say $50 for registration for a basic car/truck, and say $25 for an inspection, inspect the basic stuff like mufflers, no cracks in the windshield, brakes working, horn works, seat belts work. More people would buy new vehicles more offent because they wouldnt have to pay astranomical personal property taxes and have their cars registered in kansas, not OK, MO or NE, to avoid paying personal property taxes.
PS: if no one likes this idea, can you tell me how I go about getting an out of state po box so i can register my car there
and on the weed thing, what happen to the plan that the city was going to make the landowner pay if they had to cut their lawn for them, The city guy is always out weed eating and mowing ditches, I can cut my own I think the city should pay me for this, seeing that everyone else is getting theirs mowed for free by the city.
Quote from: PrehistoricRez on August 24, 2010, 12:05:26 AM
How did this post go from unregistered vehicle tickets to how much to register my regal, Why doesnt the state just be fair across the board say $50 for registration for a basic car/truck, and say $25 for an inspection, inspect the basic stuff like mufflers, no cracks in the windshield, brakes working, horn works, seat belts work. More people would buy new vehicles more offent because they wouldnt have to pay astranomical personal property taxes and have their cars registered in kansas, not OK, MO or NE, to avoid paying personal property taxes.
PS: if no one likes this idea, can you tell me how I go about getting an out of state po box so i can register my car there
not that hard, but they will nail you if you have a out of state P.O. You need to own property. Or if you have any kids in another state that the tags are reasonable, let the kid register it in their name.
What does it matter if farmers get a subsidy? Have you ever raised cattle, crops or such? I mean to tell you, the land owners of these farms are what supports the county! I know that our share of the property taxes on land was by fair alot more than to pay my taxes on my wonderful little mini van! Now, we all know that taxes have never been fair! Life isn't fair, hell. I wish that I could make tons of money, but you know God has a different plan for me. As for the crude remarks about someone who is just stating their opinion, if you don't like it you think they stink? Come on!! I mean, here I am having trouble with my daughter getting picked on in 7th grade, and telling her to ignore it, and we have adults name calling! No wonder these other girls are picking on other people, its cause they probably think, it's not fair.
We are all adults here! I would love for taxes to be lower!! Hell, yes! But we all know that won't happen. Can we complain about it yes we can! But at what point do you start the name calling cause someone doesn't say what you like? Now, I know that you will call me a name! Oh, well, if your calling me names then you are leaving others alone.
Sorry, just had to state my opinion! My husband hates when I do that, but crap!! I wish I didn't have to pay almost $700.00 dollars on my property in town! If you have seen my property, you would know that it isn't anything special! But life isn't fair!
What ever happened to running a business and succeeding or failing instead of getting bailed out? honey producers have been stuck at 1.50 pound for years and even less and don't get any kind of subsidy. 1.60 is your break even point.
So what the producers have to do to make a profit is to retail their own honey in areas. I know another way to do it but thats going to take time and a little money. Making a profit is work. I just cannot fathom any rancher getting a subsidy for cattle out here. When i see a steer out there i see 800 dollars that was probably born on the place, grass fed, and only gets fed stocker pellets to fatten em up before auction. I know there is cost in it but really now, these guys have to be making a ton of money as i see them running round in f350's decked out to the max.
PrehistoricRez, look me up sometime and I can give you names and numbers of those that seem to get away with it. Maybe they can help you on this one. ;) They must have changed the law, as it use to be you had to tag your vehicle where you resided or where you owned your business. I have never figured out how you live in GW and buy your tags in EK. I'm sure the answer is to mind my own stinking business.
Well, I don't know but we don't drive around in F350's to the max. We run a cattle business. Yes, we grass them, put up the hay to feed them (and if you know anything about that it isn't cheap!), feed them corn in winter and the hay, and we get no subsidies!! Plus, I run my own business, too!! And if we break even on selling cattle we are doing lucky! Have you priced any cattle pellets, hay, or anything of that nature???
You still miss the point, as I can see you seem to NOT get the point!! I work to teach my girls that they have to work to get anything, not gripe cause they didn't get something they think they deserve! No, I don't like to be told what to do, how much to pay on my taxes! Yes, it's your right to gripe, as it is mine! But calling people names cause they don't agree with you!! Come on!
And are you going to complain that me running a daycare, I get reimbursed for some of the amount of lunches that I feed the kids?? Is that taking hand outs? To me that is not, as my food bill surpasses the amount every month that I get!
Some people just can't get the WHOLE picture!!
Ang, that IS taking a handout. When you enter into a business you accept the fact that there will be certain expenses you'll have to pay. If your foodbill cannot be budgeted within your monthly expenses then it needs to be cut or your fees raised. It is not the responsibilty of the State (i.e. taxpayers) to make up your short fall. The same can be said about farm subsidies. If a farmer can't afford to farm on what he makes then he needs to find cheaper ways of farming...or a new job.
I see that you see this as a hand out. I use the same food program that the schools use. So that means that if parents get free or reduced lunches then they shouldn't have had kids? Really!! I use this program not only to make a little money, but wouldn't you as a parent rather know what type of food your child is being feed? If I wasn't on this program, I wouldn't be required to feed a veggie, fruit, meat, milk, and bread at every meal. I could feed PB and J every meal. I do this as to let parents know that I care about their child, not to make money. I have raised my fees every year. And they are no where close to anything in Wichita or bigger towns.
I can't win for losing with you guys so it doesn't matter. I am not getting my point across so it doesn't really matter. I was trying to say that why if someone doesn't agree with what you all say on here, they are called names! That is what I am getting at. Now you can start calling me a names if you like! As for the honey thing, I would have quit a long time ago, if you aren't making money. What are your expenses? Are there really many?
And we get no subsidys on our farm. But SZ thinks that farmers make LOTS OF MONEY!! I wish we seen that!!! Guess we don't raise the right crops or animals or something! ;D
Recomended Reading; The Five Thousand Year Leap W. Cleon Skousen
Ang, you have my appologies. I am only mean spirited to the mean spirited: The wall that the unfair or cruel do not want to run into. So if I offend you, know that I speak only for those who are afraid to speak for themselves!
We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816
My 2cents here lived in new mexico paid 12 dollars ayear for tags moved here paid 136 .As for farmers .was in oil business in 1988 paid 4 dollars abarrel no help for us but at set in cafe ,listen farmer getting big money not to grow crops .That list that Mark came up with was a eye opener
Mark is a smart kid. Listen to him. I am not about entitlements though I have seen some really hard times. I think this says it best;
I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.
Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1766
Quote from: angtown3 on August 24, 2010, 09:48:57 AM
Well, I don't know but we don't drive around in F350's to the max. We run a cattle business. Yes, we grass them, put up the hay to feed them (and if you know anything about that it isn't cheap!), feed them corn in winter and the hay, and we get no subsidies!! Plus, I run my own business, too!! And if we break even on selling cattle we are doing lucky! Have you priced any cattle pellets, hay, or anything of that nature???
didn't say everyone did run around in them. I do know what feed costs. pellets i bought not long ago i think they were around 8.20 or so a hundred. Corn is cheap at 6.50 a hundred and hay is anywhere from 25 -40 a bale unless you bale it yourself or have someone bale it on the halfs.
QuoteAnd are you going to complain that me running a daycare, I get reimbursed for some of the amount of lunches that I feed the kids?? Is that taking hand outs? To me that is not, as my food bill surpasses the amount every month that I get!
Why don't you charge for it???? You shouldn't be having to be funding the food. that doesn't make sense.
Quote from: angtown3 on August 24, 2010, 01:47:41 PM
. I do this as to let parents know that I care about their child, not to make money. I have raised my fees every year. And they are no where close to anything in Wichita or bigger towns.
thats nobel and understandable but it is the parents responsibility to feed the children. Like you said your still lower than any place else, and come on now, you could increase the price enough to feed the kids and it will still be low enough.
QuoteI am getting at. Now you can start calling me a names if you like! As for the honey thing, I would have quit a long time ago, if you aren't making money. What are your expenses? Are there really many?
first of all i'm not callng you any names. to answer your question on the honey costs, oh yeah theres a lot of expense. staring off theres 240.00 for hives to put the bees in , 120 for the bees, extractor another 500, misc tools to do the job another 350 for 2 people, multiply the 350 dollars per hive starting fee times 20 for the first year, 7000.00 plus feeding them through the winter, approximately 1 -2 tons of sugar @.68 a pound then building 50 - 100 hives for next years bee increase, cause we'll split the 20 into 60 hives, plus next year we'll be feeding 40+ hives so 4tons of sugar.
Get the idea on the cost? The goal is 1500 -3000 hives in 8 -10 years. If we manage it then we'l be bringing sugar into moline on a railcar probably. i'm probably going to have to make a run back to Georgia or mississippi to buy lumber to build hives, since i can't get reasonably priced lumber here.
i'll be buying a foundation mill to make my own foundation in a year or so instead of having to pay a dollar a sheet. I'll just use our own wax we produce thus cutting the cost down to like a nickle a sheet.
You see, the startup cost is high right now, but... as we produce, we will take the profit and buy equipment to cut costs and increase our profits. On wood for the hives, we are using pine right now, but when we get enough money we'll buy cypress or cedar wood which will last far longer than the pine.
And the honey industry gets no subsidies even though its under agriculture and farming and the market is controlled by the packing plants out there that refuse to pay a decent price for honey. Along with that, we have to compete ith the chinese crap coming into the country at .35 cents a pound which is contaminated with some serious chemicals and makes people sick. But your packing plants won't stop importing it cause it makes more profit. Then they also take HFCS and mix 40% of that with 60% honey and sell it as pure honey. so when folks go buy suebee honey or golden acres honey or any other brand in the stores, they aren't buying honey, they are buying contaminated honey with corn syrupin it. The ONLY place you can guarantee you get good 100% pure american honey is from your local bee keepers.
But with all that stacked against us, I know how to make a profit. Its marketing. You'll start seeing some of our marketing skills in play soon hopefully, we are putting together the first harvest this year. It won't be much i think about 500 -1000 pounds but it is the first of Osage hills Honey. :)
QuoteAnd we get no subsidys on our farm. But SZ thinks that farmers make LOTS OF MONEY!! I wish we seen that!!! Guess we don't raise the right crops or animals or something! ;D
I know farmers don't make tons of money. it all depends on what you produce, weather, ect markets ect. Give you an example... Packing houses this year for honey are telling beekeepers they are only paying 1.30 for honey. they are also telling us that we had better jump on it cause its going lower in the winter. so many honey farms are selling at 1.30 a pound. I say WTH??? IF honey is expected to go lower, (and pigs will fly too) then why is the honey packer buying it at the higher price now. Why aren't they waiting til it drops. No they know this for a fact, that honey is going to skyrocket in the winter cause there is going to be a major shortage for clover honey and they are trying to warehouse as much as they can get so they will have it to sell this winter.
How can the shopper tell if the honey is from China?
Here is a related story about being in business: As a counselor one checks with the insurance company to see what is covered and how much. The insurance companies would actualy lie to you about coverages in order to get you to take their client. Then not pay anything on the bill. One company did it so much that I stopped taking any clients from them. That would make many people very angry as the company was promoting choice and led the client to believe they could have any provider!! Yes they could have any provider as long as they paid the whole bill.
Quote from: twirldoggy on August 25, 2010, 09:14:52 AM
How can the shopper tell if the honey is from China?
You can't without testing it, its much easier to find pure honey by going to your local honey producer. They do not mix it.
Steve, I'd never argue with you about this but I thought the whole idea was for the bees to be self sustaining and eat their own honey during the winter. Do you harvest it all?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 25, 2010, 10:02:31 AM
Steve, I'd never argue with you about this but I thought the whole idea was for the bees to be self sustaining and eat their own honey during the winter. Do you harvest it all?
They will. We are in a honey flow right now so they will be filling up the hive from now til october. the honey on there now is surplus.
Soooo... from what I've gathered over a conversation I heard about the city wanting some property cleaned up, this "blight" law apparently has some sort of grandfather clause as it was claimed one person in question didn't have to clean up (or more so weren't going to get in trouble for not "cleaning") as they were grandfathered in. I believe the person mentioned happens to be on the city council... might be interesting to look in to. ;)
Quote from: angtown3 on August 24, 2010, 01:47:41 PM
I see that you see this as a hand out. I use the same food program that the schools use. So that means that if parents get free or reduced lunches then they shouldn't have had kids? Really!! I use this program not only to make a little money, but wouldn't you as a parent rather know what type of food your child is being feed? If I wasn't on this program, I wouldn't be required to feed a veggie, fruit, meat, milk, and bread at every meal. I could feed PB and J every meal. I do this as to let parents know that I care about their child, not to make money. I have raised my fees every year. And they are no where close to anything in Wichita or bigger towns.
When did I EVER say that parents w/children on free or reduced lunches shouldn't have kids?? As far as my kids go, they get a good breakfast and a good dinner, if lunch is a little skimmpy so be it. My kids are active, healthy, not obese. I don't expect others to pay for my children, and I don't want to pay for someone elses. Regardless of what the requirements of the program are, feeding PB&J at every meal, that wouldn't make for a very good child care provider.
Angie,I'm not sure how your food program works but is it surplus that has already been paid for? If it is, then it might as well go to you as anyone else. Some senior Centers have the same, as I read in the papers about what day is "come pick up your commodities day". Don't Senior Centers also have reduced lunches and such too? Hasn't the Gov't always bought food? and redistributed it? I remember as a kid at school, the big silver cans of peanut butter, huge blocks of cheese and butter and I don't know what else. Even UD had the cans of peanut butter in the dining hall. That was LOOOONG ago though!
Related subject: The schools in Chillicothe Missouri have a problem with parents not being paid up with the childrens' food accounts. So for those children who go through the lunch line and have no money, the school gives them half a peanut butter sandwich and no drink! They are made to sit at a table together with all those who are eating a half peanut butter sandwich. I don't know how the schools are getting by with this, and shame on the parents.
I guess it beats getting kicked in the butt. A shame though.
I am appalled at this. Somebody is making money on this situation, you can count on it. That was the purpose of school feeding programs, that no child should go hungry! Half a PB sandwich is not enough to maintain a growing child, much less to nurture them in an environment for learning. As far as segregating the non-payers from the rest? For shame!!!!
I never understood why parents have to pay forlunches in the first place. I mean, not only did we have to purchase school supplies for our kids (in exceeding audance), pay an enrollment fee and textbook rental fee (we were informed that in order to save money, in several classes they wouldn't have textbooks). Plus, the school gets money from the state (i.e. tax dollars).
An enrollment and textbook rental fee?
Quote from: twirldoggy on August 25, 2010, 07:55:04 PM
Related subject: The schools in Chillicothe Missouri have a problem with parents not being paid up with the childrens' food accounts. So for those children who go through the lunch line and have no money, the school gives them half a peanut butter sandwich and no drink! They are made to sit at a table together with all those who are eating a half peanut butter sandwich. I don't know how the schools are getting by with this, and shame on the parents.
I can't believe this is going on. This is discrimination in my opinion.
I recommended someone call DFS. DFS will send a special institutional investigator out and then things will change in a hurry.
Quote from: Varmit on August 26, 2010, 05:06:17 AM
I never understood why parents have to pay forlunches in the first place.
Who shoud pay for them? Are you saying you want the government to tax people to pay for school lunches? SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM, SOCIALIST!!!!!!
Of course, I'm kidding, but anyone who knows your posts on the politics forum has to be laughing at you right now.
DFS: Division of Family Services in Missouri. Works child abuse and neglect in this state.
Quote from: twirldoggy on August 26, 2010, 10:28:13 PM
I recommended someone call DFS. DFS will send a special institutional investigator out and then things will change in a hurry.
well first of all i wouldn't call the SS out on anyone for anything... that department is absolutely useless and dangerous no matter what state it is in.
Secondly, i remember when i was a kid, i used to take my lunch money when I wasn't sacking my lunch and buy candy with it. And third, discrimination on what grounds?? Cause they don't have the money for lunch? Thats not discrimination. First of all if they have to pay money, then that means they don't qualify for free, and if they don't bring lunch, or have the money, that is not discrimination when fed a half a sandwich. Third, and this is important, i have watched for YEARS local schools where i have lived at, throw away boxes of frozen foods, canned foods, ect that was bought with tax dollars because they ended up with a surplus and if they got audited the auditor would lower the budget for the next year. Same thing on paper, books, supplies for the school ect. They toss them out before the budget year ends, so their budget increase comes through. Been there seen it done far too many times.
And everyone now wonders why the budgets are getting cut, schools going broke, they threw out too much.
Can't see any way to disagree with what you're saying, Srkruzich.
Discrimination - what a mess that stuff has evolved over the years of liberalism.
Ok I'm going to butt in again.In the schools I taught in, there were always a few who took advantage of the system. Some kids got free lunches, a few got reduced lunches. The office carried a tab on these kids for a time but if the parents didn't catch up at the end of the marking period, the report card didn't go home until the parent came in to pay up. I know segregating the kids might seem cruel, but all the kids knew who the freeloaders were anyway. If they didn't have lunch money they would mooch off the other kids. If they weren't watched, they were eating more than a regular lunch would have been. Sometimes there was extortion where kids were threatened. I kept crackers and usually fresh fruit in my room, and sometimes paid for the kids myself. Sometimes I got paid back and sometimes I didn't. After a couple of months each fall ,I'd know who could be trusted and who couldn't. Then I would stop paying if it was a chronic thing. If a really serious situation happened social services was contacted. I didn't let the kids throw food away either. I made them take it home (usually apples or oranges)so the lunch maker could see what wasn't being eaten. Surplus? What surplus? The cafeteria managers knew exactly how much they needed down to the bean. We never threw away paper etc. Why would I if I paid for it? By the end of the year the construction paper colors in the storage rooms were pretty much down to black, brown, purple and dark blue.
Quote from: Anmar on August 26, 2010, 11:55:33 PM
Who shoud pay for them? Are you saying you want the government to tax people to pay for school lunches? SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM, SOCIALIST!!!!!!
Of course, I'm kidding, but anyone who knows your posts on the politics forum has to be laughing at you right now.
If you would have quoted my full post you'd have seen that parents that parents are getting ripped off, was the general point I was making. Schools recieve not only from the state, fed. etc, but also from parents (a second time) in the form of fees, school supplies etc. Seems to me that the schools get enough money to budget in a lunch program...if said money was handled correctly. Now, if the schools were to give up federal funding, then I could see having the parents pay for lunches.
Here is a suggestion for you, Varmit. Visit your school, talk to the people who know, visit the lunchroom and the cooks, dig through the garbage if you have to, but find out for yourself just how much is being wasted. It isn't the cooks that are throwing stuff out, but the kids who are supposed to be eating the lunches. The cooks have to follow guidelines to get the assistance, but the kids don't want the nutritious stuff. They want the junk food like maybe they get at home. If you haven't been there, don't criticize the people that try to run the program.
Wilma, I wasn't critizing the cooks, I was talking about the school adminstrators that mishandle the funds they recieve. As for the kids throwing out food they don't want...well...DUH! I remember being in school and eating that "food" (if it can be called that) that pretty much sucked. Of course they want junk food...they're children.
Quote from: Varmit on September 05, 2010, 09:08:29 PM
Wilma, I wasn't critizing the cooks, I was talking about the school adminstrators that mishandle the funds they recieve. As for the kids throwing out food they don't want...well...DUH! I remember being in school and eating that "food" (if it can be called that) that pretty much sucked. Of course they want junk food...they're children.
quite frankly the junk food is probalby healthier than that processed stuff they serve in the cafeteria. I wouldn't eat it either. This past two years, I have managed to eliminate most processed foods from my diet and by doing so, eating any of the stuff makes me sick. i can taste the chemicals in it and have noticed how sluggish the food makes me.
shoot you should see me in a hospital. They try to send me this crap they call food and i tell them to take it back, not going to eat it.
Last time i was in the hospital, they finally gave in and asked me what i would eat and i told them. They complained that its not a cardio diet, and i told them their cardio diets weren't fit to slop the hogs with.
One thing they found out about me is i have my CC memorized and i will call dominos in a new york second......
I remember when I was in school that the food was wonderful. The homemade dinner rolls and cinnimon rolls. I still like peanutbutter cookies and good spanish rice. We ate veggies at school and I still like them, unlike my grandchildren that act like it is punishment if they have to eat them.
I worked at the Severy School for two years and I can tell you that there was no processed food served to the students. Everything was done from scratch. I think that you will find the same thing is true of the lunches at West Elk.
When I visited with my girlfriend in Kennett yesterday we got to reminiscing about our days at Kennett High School and the school food came up...those same peanut butter cookies and Spanish rice! I know the peanut butter was a "commodity"from the Gov't and think the rice was too. They also had the #10 cans of very large mature peas that I hated. To this day I will not eat pea soup. But Al likes it so I make it for him. YUK! The school also made huge vats of vegetable soup and bean soup too, from big bags of dry beans that they soaked overnight. They made baked chicken, chicken salad, meatloaf and ham steak and ham and potatoes, little ham sandwiches, plain rice and Spanish rice. There were hot dogs once a month, Vienna sausages, which I thought was strange, and Salisbury steak and they always had some kind of fish and mac and cheese with stewed tomatoes on Fridays because the Catholic kids couldn't have meat.They had mashed potatoes and boiled potatoes, corn, carrots, green beans and Lima beans, those horrid peas, spinach, boiled cabbage. There was always applesauce, sometimes peaches and pears and fresh apples too.I don't ever remember getting grapes though. The local bakery made the bread and rolls, with a sweet roll for 2 cents that was every body's favorite. The school cooks also made the best corn bread. There were always several kinds of sandwiches too, for people who just wanted a sandwich and/or fruit or soup. I remember lettuce and tomato, cheese, p b & j and lunch meat, usually bologna. Pizza hadn't hit the schools yet. Sometimes I packed and sometimes I bought, but I always thought the school food was good and the only "Junk" foods were the desserts. They had cakes and pies available, pretzel rods, Dixie cups, several kinds of popsicles, and of course white and chocolate milk and orange drink. Steve, what kind of processed foods did you mean? I do know ketchup didn't count as a vegetable! ;D
I learned to like thoose peas so I could have my carrots, you know as in carrot cookies. Yes peanut butter was a commodity and it was wonderful in those chocolate no bake cookies as well as in the celery sticks. I still like pigs in a blanket and we also had hot dogs chopped up in mashed potatoes with cheese. Umh good!
I believe when I grew up in Moline, we were very fortunate to have several lovely ladies who cooked for the school. Lucille Lloyd, Bessie Beu, Pearl Salle and Minnie Bruner. If I left someone out - sorry. Don't remember anyone getting free lunches then, but I did work in the cafeteria in exchange for my lunches. Enjoyed every minute of it, especially visiting with the younger children and getting to know them better. Our lunches were superior. Sloppy Joes were always the most popular. If you were late, you may not get seconds. The children were to eat their first plate of food before they could get seconds. I really don't remember any bad meals. Shame it cannot be that way today for all the children. I'm sure that Lucille, Bessie, Pearl and Minnie tossed a little love in what they were cooking
Well, this brings back memories! When I went to school that was within walking distance, I always went home for lunch. There was always something fixed with a childs' appetite in mind. My very favorite was toasted cheese sandwiches; velveeta sliced onto bread and toasted under the broiler. When I started having to ride a bus to school, I always carried my lunch. Usually a sandwich of some kind, my favorite was homemade pimento cheese spread, made with canned pimento, and longhorn cheese. There was a cafeteria, but to save money, we did not have hot lunch except on Friday when they had fish. We were not Catholic but I loved that wonderful baked codfish. Mom always gave me 40 cents that day for fish and milk, but I still carried the dreaded lunchbox with some kind of veggie or fruit and a dessert. it was awhile before I was able to convince my mother that carrying a metal lunchbox was no longer 'cool'! Brown bags were 'in' if you didn't buy your lunch for Petes' sake! Does anyone remember the banana foldovers? Kind of like Twinkies, but halfmoon shaped and filled with twinkie type filling and banana flavoring. Yum! ;)
Our lunch boxes vanished when we hit 7th grade. No self respecting Jr. High kid would carry a lunch box! I don't think the east coast had those banana things. But we did have Tasty Cakes that were east coast only. We did have sloppy Joes, and pork and beans with hot dogs sometimes. I don't recall cut up hot dogs in mashed potatoes but that would have been fun.
Memory time again. I don't remember anything about the food in Oregon, we went to the largest non-consolidated school in the U.S. while we were there. I do remember the Principal was a woman and one morning the bus driver told us we had better be really good that day because she had her hair dyed and it was purple and she was not a happy woman.
The first school in Arizona was a fairly large school and I can't remember the food but the second one was much smaller. My seventh grade year I got to work in the cafeteria and the rolls were huge, one day a week we had white bread and usually we had sandwiches that day. The rest of the time it was either hot rolls, corn bread or biscuits and there were always bowls of butter, honey and peanut butter. The food was as good as what we had at home and mother was a very good cook. I learned to wash dishes properly there and the ladies would check to make sure the water was clean and the right temperature.
The next year was a larger school and I don't remember what the lunches were like, we were allowed off campus and some days we walked to the store and bought lemons to eat. Don't remember buying anything else. The Home Ec class was the best part of that school, we had sewing and cooking from a very strict teacher. Most of the kids in the school had started to the first grade together and would graduate from high school together but from the first day I was accepted and felt like I had been there all along.
Lucky you Ms Bear, to be accepted by your classmates. 8)
Loved the bannana flip over. Can't remember the actual name of them. I could down two of them right now.
No you wouldn't Roma Jean, because i would take one of them away from you. :) Does anyone remember Banna flavored ice cream back in the early 60's. It was great. My soon to be brother in law would buy two half gallons of it from Horn's IGA in Moline then race back to Elk Falls where we would chow down.
Even though I am not as old as you are I do remember banana flavored ice cream. I always ate lunch at school even though I would ask to take my lunch. I can still hear my Mom saying, "They are fixing hot balanced meals and that is what you will eat."
I wonder if the butter and honey were commodities too. I know there was a subsidy on honey at one time and possibly on butter.
School lunches at Piedmont grade school in the late 60s was fine home cooking too.
School lunches at Severy and at North Elk were the best as far as I was concerned. We only lived one block away from the Severy school, so we went home for lunch most of the time. When we did get to eat at school that was a treat. We had to eat at school when we were bused from Severy to Howard to attend North Elk High School. (Go Trojans, 1972). Anyway, those lunches were good.
I have eaten at West Elk a few times when I was sheriff. I thought the lunches were good. I'm sure that not everything is home cooked because alot of stuff does come out of cans and boxes now, but I believe that these cooks do a good job.
Oh, my. To have one of Edna Palmer's cinnamon rolls again. To have the fried chicken the cooks at North Elk made again. Makes me hungry. it is early. Going to Toot's.
Oh by the way. I don't really know how this post went from unregistered vehicles to school lunches, but thanks for the memories. You know you can eat at the school anytime to test out the food if you call and just talk to the principal or secretary. I may be wrong, but I believe as long as you clear it with the powers in charge and pay, you can test out the food. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Janet the thread changed from old cars to honey so we can blame Steve. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 07, 2010, 09:31:20 PM
I wonder if the butter and honey were commodities too. I know there was a subsidy on honey at one time and possibly on butter.
There is no subsidy on honey now as is how it should be. :) Butter i have no idea about.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on September 08, 2010, 05:28:24 AM
School lunches at Severy and at North Elk were the best as far as I was concerned. We only lived one block away from the Severy school, so we went home for lunch most of the time. When we did get to eat at school that was a treat. We had to eat at school when we were bused from Severy to Howard to attend North Elk High School. (Go Trojans, 1972). Anyway, those lunches were good.
I have eaten at West Elk a few times when I was sheriff. I thought the lunches were good. I'm sure that not everything is home cooked because alot of stuff does come out of cans and boxes now, but I believe that these cooks do a good job.
Oh, my. To have one of Edna Palmer's cinnamon rolls again. To have the fried chicken the cooks at North Elk made again. Makes me hungry. it is early. Going to Toot's.
Oh by the way. I don't really know how this post went from unregistered vehicles to school lunches, but thanks for the memories. You know you can eat at the school anytime to test out the food if you call and just talk to the principal or secretary. I may be wrong, but I believe as long as you clear it with the powers in charge and pay, you can test out the food. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
IF i'm not mistaken, public school lunches are federally subsidized and part of the requirements is that anyone can come in and eat lunch if they pay for their lunch. It is supposed to be a backup to funding hotmeals for elderly as well as those who do not have much to buy food.
But then again, I really don't eat at them anymore since i don't like processed foods. And before folks gets their panties in a wad, processed foods include chicken nuggets chicken patties, ect ect. Boxed foods are processed. I don't tolerate the chemicals and preservatives in foodstuffs anymore very well. Plus the salt and sugar contents are excessive.
Unfortunately being diabetic and having water retention issues, cuts out most foods that i can eat unless its absolutely fresh.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 08, 2010, 08:18:36 AM
Janet the thread changed from old cars to honey so we can blame Steve. ;D ;D ;D
Thats cause i am so sweet you know from all that honey! :D
Speaking of honey, the harvest this year is a bust unless we get a excellent honey flow this next month. IF we don't start getting any rain, its going to be a tough winter for our bees.
Again? That's a real shame! Have you been able to sell any at all?