I love it. In response to the proposed Ground Zero mosque, Greg Gutfeld (of FoxNews "Red Eye") has a proposal of his own. And I do believe he's serious about it.
Via Hot Air, via Instapundit, Greg Gutfeld is raising money for a Muslim gay bar to be a neighbor of the new mosque. Here's to tolerance!
This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.
Gutfeld: "As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I'm building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world. The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps – but still want to dance."
Bottom line: "I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine."
......From the The Lonely Conservative
I sincerely hope he gets it open. Although homosexuals are abhorred by the religion, they believe that mohammed will be reborn from a man, so homosexual acts are not uncommon. I'm sure that our muslim friendly govt will do all they can to block the opening of his gay bar.
I think they should open a store that make sausages. :D Then a pork barbq shack next to it. :)
Quote from: Sarge on August 11, 2010, 09:04:27 AM
they believe that mohammed will be reborn from a man, so homosexual acts are not uncommon.
They don't believe that. They await the return of Jesus actually. That being said. I believe in individual property rights, and anyone who owns a building can do whatever they want in it.
Quote from: Anmar on August 11, 2010, 09:48:47 AM
They don't believe that. They await the return of Jesus actually.
Do what??? In order for them to await the return of jesus, they have to believe in his deity. And we know they only believe he is a prophet.
QuoteThat being said. I believe in individual property rights, and anyone who owns a building can do whatever they want in it.
Well that depends. I would say that the proposed mosque will be more than that. Most likelly used to funnel funds to terrorists. Now since property rights is about owning property and doing as you will with it, it does not convey as you will to providing to those who would kill others.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 11, 2010, 11:24:08 AM
Do what??? In order for them to await the return of jesus, they have to believe in his deity. And we know they only believe he is a prophet.
And they don't believe He was crucified, only a likeness of Him yet when this other person was crucified Jesus was taken straight to Heaven.
They do believe He is going to return though, but believe He is only a messenger and not a part of God.
Quote from: mtcookson on August 11, 2010, 01:10:59 PM
And they don't believe He was crucified, only a likeness of Him yet when this other person was crucified Jesus was taken straight to Heaven.
They do believe He is going to return though, but believe He is only a messenger and not a part of God.
This is what I understand to be the belief. I don't see how the question of divinity relates to the second coming. Especially considering that the original form of Christianity also didn't portray jesus as divine.
Now Steve, we don't know what plans they have for the mosque. They have been there awhile now, and they haven't been engaged in what you describe, so i don't know why you believe that somehow a building renovation is going to suddenly change their ideological beliefs.
Quote from: Anmar on August 11, 2010, 04:24:42 PM
This is what I understand to be the belief. I don't see how the question of divinity relates to the second coming. Especially considering that the original form of Christianity also didn't portray jesus as divine.
?? Where do you get that? Jesus himself said he is God, therefore his divinity is absolute.
QuoteNow Steve, we don't know what plans they have for the mosque. They have been there awhile now, and they haven't been engaged in what you describe, so i don't know why you believe that somehow a building renovation is going to suddenly change their ideological beliefs.
The "head guy" in building of this mosque is a supporter of hezbollah and i can't remember the other terrorist group. Therefore a reasonable man can assume based on his support of terror that this mosque will become a haven for terror.
There is NO legitimate reason for them to build there. with 100million they can build anywhere else but there and get no opposition. Its not happenstance either that they chose to build there. This is the pattern they use. Build near or on holy sites of other beliefs, or sacred grounds. If they can get it on a holy site, then all hell breaks loose. Like temple mount in israel.
they already own the building. They paid for it. They can do whatever they want with their building as long as they aren't infringing on anyone else's rights. Since when do conservatives start trying to get the government to start telling people what they can and can't do with their property? You're one of the biggest hypocrites i've ever met steve.
You should realize that when you push the populace to take actions against a certain minority, you are setting a precedent for the treatment of all minority groups. Its all a matter of labels. Under Bush, the patriot act was passed to spy on terrorists, but it was used to spy on anti-war groups. Now, the the democrats are in power and they are using the patriot act to spy on right wing groups. Maybe even you!
Now we see Obama calling openly for the assassination of American citizens. Sure you might not like the people he is talking about, but where will the line be drawn? What happens when you get labeled as the enemy or the terrorist? Will you suddenly start to speak out for rights? for a fair trial before a court? Why should they give you rights when you were so eager to deny the rights of other Americans? Furthermore, who do you think you are that you can deny people their rights?
Quote from: Anmar on August 11, 2010, 06:25:33 PM
they already own the building. They paid for it. They can do whatever they want with their building as long as they aren't infringing on anyone else's rights. Since when do conservatives start trying to get the government to start telling people what they can and can't do with their property? You're one of the biggest hypocrites i've ever met steve.
What are you babbling about?? Oh and I ought to remind you that you have never met me.
QuoteYou should realize that when you push the populace to take actions against a certain minority, you are setting a precedent for the treatment of all minority groups. Its all a matter of labels. Under Bush, the patriot act was passed to spy on terrorists, but it was used to spy on anti-war groups. Now, the the democrats are in power and they are using the patriot act to spy on right wing groups. Maybe even you!
No one is treating muslims any different. Lable my ass. It was muslims that flew planes into the towers and pentagon, as well as tried for congress or white house, not baptists, catholics or even athiests. IT WAS MUSLIMS. So since it WAS muslims that did so, and it IS muslims that continue to kill our men and women in iraq, afghanistan, and any place they can kidnap an American, then I don't care if they profile the crap out of them until they cease their hostilities.
QuoteNow we see Obama calling openly for the assassination of American citizens. Sure you might not like the people he is talking about, but where will the line be drawn? What happens when you get labeled as the enemy or the terrorist?
I didn't vote for him. So don't try and lay that one at my feet.
QuoteWill you suddenly start to speak out for rights? for a fair trial before a court? Why should they give you rights when you were so eager to deny the rights of other Americans? Furthermore, who do you think you are that you can deny people their rights?
Again i havent denied anyone their rights.
Quote from: Anmar on August 11, 2010, 04:24:42 PM
I don't see how the question of divinity relates to the second coming. Especially considering that the original form of Christianity also didn't portray jesus as divine.
Anmar
Please reach deep into your infinite bag of
facts and enlighten us on the true
original form of Christianity in re Jesus' divinity. Authoritative sources, please. I'm sure many here would like to know how their faith in Jeses may be misplaced therefore leaving them hellbound.
Patriot, in another thread, you posted the following
QuoteI'm really gaining a deep disrespect, no disgust, for lazy non-thinkers, progressives and those who are afraid to discover truth when that truth doesn't conform to what 'everybody else' thinks or believes. I was always taught that just because 'everybody's doin it' doesn't make it right.
I think that means you should go do your own homework. Its pretty silly that you believe in something without fully understanding it.
Quote from: Anmar on August 11, 2010, 10:08:42 PM
Patriot, in another thread, you posted the following
I think that means you should go do your own homework. Its pretty silly that you believe in something without fully understanding it.
In other words you don't know squat about what your talking about and you realize that you have no chance at proving christ wasn't divine.
Quote from: Anmar on August 11, 2010, 10:08:42 PM
I think that means you should go do your own homework. Its pretty silly that you believe in something without fully understanding it.
1. I never said anything regarding what I, personally, believe or disbelieve.
2.
You were the one who made the unsubstantiated statement. It's not my homework that is in question. Rather it is the authoritative source for
your statement that was being sought.
3. Since you regularly disparage others, calling them idiots, for making unsubstantiated statements, I thought you would have no problem in citing the source of your comment. Apparently, I was mistaken. But thanks for playing anyway.
Anmar
Before you go there, my best guess is that most Christians will reject mohammad and the koran as an authoritative source.
ooo boy i riled up a hornets nest.
@ patriot, i'm not going to debate with someone who is too afraid to take responsibility for his own viewpoints. You can neither confirm not deny you are christian, or what you believe in. Whats the point of trying to debate with a person who won't admit to believing in anything?
@ steve There have been several terrorism incidents here in the US involving right wingers. Do you also advocate the same treatment for them? You posted that all the terrorists were muslims, you conveniently don't think about the other terrorist acts committed by rural white christian men. In fact, If you want to continue to label, really the only thing that all of the terrorists had in common was that they are men. I propose that we dismantle all male public restrooms as retaliation. Anyone wishing to build a new urinal must obtain all necessary permits from the department of homeland defense in addition to renouncing their allegiance to everything manly (including smoking, drinking, bull fighting, big trucks, and posting in a political forum)
You also said the guy in charge was a supporter of some terrorist group. Did you know that the guy you're talking about was a federal government appointee? Now i know you're going to roll your eyes and say "Damn that secret muslim Obama guy" Actually, he was appointed by Bush. This is too funny.
@ Sarge Because I read books. When Patton was traveling to north Africa to fight the germans in ww2, he read a Koran. As did most of the senior officers at the time. Reading, knowledge, facts are important. Despite what Sarah Palin and the rest of the right wing crazies want you to believe, knowledge really is power.
Anmar i think i have made myself clear. first of all we are talking about muslims. Secondly i have never said mcveigh wasn't. He attacked civilians and that was unforgivable. Had he of attacked government with no civilian casualties, he would have had a leg to stand on and a whole lot more support.
Third, you go off into the realm of absurdity far too often in your posts.
The fact is, speaking about 9/11 which is what this thread is about, muslims attacked us. Pure and simple. It is the politics of islam that attacked the towers. ISLAM is more of a political ideology than it is a religious ideology and they declared war on us. So As far as I am concerned until they surrender, give up all hostilities, i don't care what method is used to hunt them down and seek them out.
As far as this bozo heading up the building of this mosque, he supports hezbollah, i don't care if he used to be an appointee or not. If he supports hezbullah then lets charge him with a crime and put him away.
Absurdity? you mean you think its absurd to hold all men responsible for the actions of a few men? Hold the phone, by God i think he gets it!
Quote from: Anmar on August 12, 2010, 08:48:22 PM
Absurdity? you mean you think its absurd to hold all men responsible for the actions of a few men? Hold the phone, by God i think he gets it!
Well its like this, when i was raising my kids, the boys used to pull some stunt and the guilty one would stay silent, the others wouldn't rat him out. sooo to ensure that the one who was guilty got punished i punished all of them. The innocent ones in turn whooped the guilty one.
Its like this and while i wasn't in vietnam i know several that were, when you don't know who your enemy is then you have to consider all of them the enemy. Since muslims are at war with us, then if we cannot determine who is and isn't at war with us, then all are at war with us. Simple. Eventually the innocent ones will get tired of it and take out the guilty ones.
Quote from: Anmar on August 12, 2010, 05:32:52 PM
@ Sarge Because I read books.
Well, it's good to read books no doubt, but I was an instructor in the USAF School of Applied Aerospace Science (sounds important doesn't it) for 4 years. I had several students from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Turkey and Oman. I had one class that consisted of all Iranians. This class and I became good friends, I was even invited to the celebration of the Shah's birthday which was quite an honor I was told.(had lots of fun at the party too) Anyway these are the people that I got my information from. I also read the Koran due to the fact that I was going to be teaching so many students from the mid-east, but it didn't tell me all the information that these students told me. Now, understand that I didn't make my post to argue with you. I just wanted to know where you got the information to question my initial post and you answered that just as I am informing you where I got my information. We certainly don't have to believe each others statements. After all, we may both be wrong.
Sarge, sorry for the tone of my post. The viewpoint expressed is largely from the Sunni muslims. You probably came in contact with mostly shiite muslims. There are a few differences in the beliefs . I'm going to post some passages, so if you think all things muslim will make you melt, please avert your eyes.
Quote"God gives you tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be Jesus Christ, son of Mary, held in honor in the world and in the hereafter, and one of those who are nearest (to God). He shall speak to the people in infancy and when middle-aged[2], and shall be of the righteous." (Quran 3:45-46)
Quote"He (the son of Mary) shall be a known sign of the Hour; so have no doubt concerning it and follow Me." (Quran 43:61)
The following quotes are from Hadith, not Koran. The hadtih is really the more equivalent to the bible than the Koran. The Koran would be like the Gospel of Jesus, if it still existed.
Quote"The Hour will not come until you see ten signs: the smoke; the False Messiah; the Beast; the sun rising from the West; the descent of Jesus son of Mary; the Gog and Magog; and three tremors - one in the East, one in the West, and one in Arabia, at the end of which fire will burst forth from the direction of Aden and drive people to the place of their final assembly." (Ahmed)
Quote"A group of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. And Jesus son of Mary will descend and their (the Muslims') leader will say, 'Come and lead us in Prayer.'" (Saheeh Muslim)
Quote"Then, a people whom God had protected will come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he will wipe their faces and inform them of their ranks in Paradise." (Saheeh Muslim)
I'm not so sure about the Shiite belief. There are several different Shiite sects and some of them believe in the return of Ali, who was a cousin of Mohammed.
Let me just apologize again sarge, and thanks for your patience in dealing with this young whippersnapper. Sometimes i get excited when I'm debating different people and you kinda caught the tail end of that.
Don't give it another thought, I've been at the tail end of a lot of things in my life.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-19-2010/extremist-makeover---homeland-edition?xrs=share_copy
I say Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq: 1,000 nuclear warheads gathering dust. Divide it up on these countries and we'll call it Lake America.
And one small firecracker for Anmar's ass. And don't bitch about it, just stay under your burka, keep your mouth shut, like a good little Sharia compliant muslim woman.
MR. Kshillbilly
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 20, 2010, 06:38:30 PM
I say Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq: 1,000 nuclear warheads gathering dust. Divide it up on these countries and we'll call it Lake America.
And one small firecracker for Anmar's ass. And don't bitch about it, just stay under your burka, keep your mouth shut, like a good little Sharia compliant muslim woman.
MR. Kshillbilly
Do you know what the funniest part about this is? I was reading another thread in which jennifer posted some personal info about herself and I actually think we are related....
Is this some sick, twisted joke to try to get me to commit suicide?? It's my birthday, NOT April Fool's!
From my wonderful Aunt:
"I have never heard of any Jordan's in our family. Hope we aren't related if he doesn't want anyone to know who his relatives are. Ha!!! Seriously, I have never heard anything about any Jordan's."
Nope, didn't think so. Anmar says he and I are 2nd cousins...Well that would make him my mothers' first cousin wouldn't it? All of her 1st cousins are either in their 60's on up or are dead so NOPE...NOT related. I don't have to commit suicide now....YAY!