Elk County Forum

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NOW, we have both been told we have hate infested souls, but this guy takes the cake if you ask me. If I were to stand on a street corner screaming that I wanted to kill all the N-WORDS and their babies, I would be arrested. Hell, I'm not even allowed to use the actual N-WORD and have to call it an N-WORD! How ridiculous is this? They scream that we CRACKERS, HONKIES, WHITEYS and CASPERS are racists, but what is this called? I can't even use the N-WORD!! When is everyone going to WAKE THE HELL UP?
The definition in the dictionary of "nigger" is a lazy person. Are all lazy people black? Nope. I know several white ones. 

I will get a lot of flack for this post but ya know what? It's time we start standing up for our race! Why do we have to lay down and allow others to walk all over us?

MRS. KSH

P.S. The MR. said to stick his name on here too...

Quote from: kshillbillys on July 14, 2010, 04:19:58 PM
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NOW, we have both been told we have hate infested souls, but this guy takes the cake if you ask me. If I were to stand on a street corner screaming that I wanted to kill all the N-WORDS and their babies, I would be arrested. Hell, I'm not even allowed to use the actual N-WORD and have to call it an N-WORD! How ridiculous is this? They scream that we CRACKERS, HONKIES, WHITEYS and CASPERS are racists, but what is this called? I can't even use the N-WORD!! When is everyone going to WAKE THE HELL UP?

What n word?  You mean Nigger?   shrug. its just a word.  But i have to say no one is going to tell me i can't use it.  shrug.  I don't even care if someone calls me racist.  So what.  how does it affect me?  It only affects me if i let it.  :)

LOL got about as much use for the Black Panthers as I have for the KKK

I agree...was just trying to make a point tho. THEY get all huffy and offended if we call them that. BUT that doesn't stop the "hate" words they call us. I don't even understand the term "cracker". Not all crackers are white; some are wheat and some are rye so why do they use it to describe the white race?

AND the point here is---HE wants ALL white people dead AND their babies. Some would call that a terroristic threat, but NOT the Obama Administration. My point is--If we white people were screaming that we wanted all blacks and their babies dead, WE would be arrested because we are racist rednecks. Was "King" Shabazz arrested? No. Reprimanded? No. Cheered on? Seems to me, yes! And what exactly is he "king" of?

That's exactly right Pam. The only difference is there was no KKK at any voting centers dressed in battle fatigues with a night stick intimidating voters. And they didn't have their hoods over their faces. These were just people from a different sort of hood.

   I think racism is a stupid concept. WHATever color you are. EVERY color is guilty of it. I've been guilty of it. It's still stupid and I am ashamed of myself every time I notice.

   I think more in the terms of personalities instead of colors. Is a peckerhead less of a peckerhead if he's white? black? brown? red? yellow? green? purple? no think he's pretty much a peckerhead no matter what color he is LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I totally agree. A peckerhead--I guess that could be called a woodpecker even. Or a bitch, which is just a female dog in heat.  Everybody is an ass, excuse me that's just a donkey...the Bible even uses that one. Damn, holds back water. Hell, preacher's been preaching that since I was a kid. Towel head--that's just my wife leaving the bathroom.

I do agree Pam there's not much room for racism and I do believe in the First Amendment that states we all have the freedom of speech, so why is it that i'd go to jail for saying the N word but yet he doesn't go to jail for saying he wants all the white people and their babies dead? Where's the hate crime people at there? I don't see the NAACP or the ACLU getting on this wanting this guy prosecuted. Answer me this....

Quote from: kshillbillys on July 14, 2010, 04:40:44 PM
I agree...was just trying to make a point tho. THEY get all huffy and offended if we call them that. BUT that doesn't stop the "hate" words they call us. I don't even understand the term "cracker". Not all crackers are white; some are wheat and some are rye so why do they use it to describe the white race?

Cracker came from corn-cracker.  In georgia and florida poor white folks made their living cracking corn.  it was derogatory back then.  I think it dates back to 1780' or something like that.

QuoteAND the point here is---HE wants ALL white people dead AND their babies. Some would call that a terroristic threat, but NOT the Obama Administration. My point is--If we white people were screaming that we wanted all blacks and their babies dead, WE would be arrested because we are racist rednecks. Was "King" Shabazz arrested? No. Reprimanded? No. Cheered on? Seems to me, yes! And what exactly is he "king" of?

yeah i know.  Not something i haven't heard for the last 40 years of my life.

Oh don' t ya know, everyone of thinks they're a king.  Shoot go to atlanta or memphis and 90% of cars owned by blacks have a crown hanging from the mirror.

never figured out why though.

Actually, that happened here and there was trouble over those outbursts that was kept very quiet for fear of more racial tension than usual. Freedom of speech lives here in the east just as it does anywhere else. That other section was at a summer street festival, and was attached to the other piece. Notice they were mostly ignored as people went on with their business.Most blacks don't like that stuff any more that we do.
On election day, you had to know that neighborhood to know why the BP were all puffed up and acting tough.There had been threats of trouble and they showed up. After a time the police talked to them and told them they were scaring people more than the threat of white trouble in a black neighborhood was and they moved away from the doors and eventually left . The real problems that day were voting machines that broke down, staffers that didn't show up and the things that often happen anywhere, no more no less.
  We had an incident here a few weeks ago with a young white man dressed as a "skinhead" (whatever that means) driving around a nice neighborhood in a white pick up with a large confederate flag  (sorry guys)  across his back window. He had covered his license plate with a fake one that said WHTPWR. He rode around and around the suburban neighborhood until he found some kids out front playing in their yards, a mixed group of black and white. He slowed down beside them and screamed through a megaphone all kinds of nasty anti black stuff, and threats similar to what you saw, but the opposite way. Then he gunned it and left, so he was gone by the time the police got there. The threats were all verbal and he didn't stop the truck or get out and the police told the assembled parents they couldn't do anything because of free speech. They told the kids to not get close to the truck if he came back.  He did, several days in a row. He managed to scare ALL the kids half to death because of his actions and threats, but because he was just a disgusting mouth he was able to do it. He was driving around just looking for trouble. Not sure why anyone would want to use the "N-Word" in conversation cause of the feelings it portrays. It came from "negro" which means black after all. Wake the hell up to what?  Everyone? What does that mean.  Everyone means all. It didn't happen anywhere near you. Like it or not, rude is universal and has no color boundaries. Why the big upset? That one clip was on election day, eight months ago. NOTHING happened.There were a few ugly faces and a few people just hoping something would pop so they could catch it on tape. By the way that crown is a car deodorant. Might have other meanings though. We see them here too.I'll ask.

We are 7 months into 2010. There were 12 months in 2009. The elections were in November of 2008, so it's been longer than 8 months.
And Diane, although you have this wonderful little story about a white supremacist in a white truck with a rebel flag, which is exactly that a rebel FLAG..most rednecks around here have one somewhere and the state of Mississippi still has it on their flag so I don't know what the big deal is about a rebel flag. THIS is actual video proof of the black panther. I showed you my proof you show me yours.
I will say this again, a little slower for some people, WAKE THE HELL UP because whites are the ones treated badly, not blacks. IF I said the things he said and changed it to blacks instead of whites I would be in jail and the BOOK WOULD BE THROWN AT ME, free speech or NOT! It amazes me how these people were arrested during elections that everyone knew Obama was going to win, thank you ACORN, but when it comes times to prosecute them under the Obama Administration and Eric Holder we just turn them loose. This kind of rhetoric with the liberal socialist agenda from the White House and the flunkies in Congress have dropped the ball on many courts with Health Care, the border. Here we are a year and 7 months into his administration and he's added another $3 trillion to the deficit. I know what you're gonna say because we've all heard him say it, the Messiah, the Chosen One, that the deficit was not on his watch but something he inherited. Wasn't it Bush that left us with a $2 trillion deficit? It only took him 8 years to get it that high. And the democratic controlled congress with Nancy Pinnochiosi and Blabbermouth Biden.
Sorry about getting side tracked. Totally off subject.


MR KSH

Actually Diane, what that black panther did was violate the Voter Intimidation law.  By the way, when was the last time the first lady or president spoke at an event hosted by an organization that supports the behavior of skinheads? 

You wanna talk about racial tension?  Who is it that is causing the tension, the folks that speak out against the current adminstrations policies or the people that accuse them of racism? 

That dog will hunt, Varmit!

The High School our three kids attended and graduated from in Midland Texas was Robert E. Lee High School and the Flag was the Rebel Flag, and the Fight song is Dixie. The School had a great tradition in Football and the student body was fully integrated. It is the only Class 5A high School in the State of Texas to win the State Chanpionship in Football 3 times back-to-back. Blacks and Whites Stood to Dixie when the band played it and Blacks and whites waved their flags. Laura Bush graduated from Lee High School.

Also one of the Black Mothers of one of the star running backs wore a Rebel Flag Dress and yelled louder and danced harder than anyone in the crowd. General Tommy Franks also graduated from Midland Lee.

Diane, I know you are probably going to say that Joe Biden wore the Rebel Flag and danced to Dixie at his Delaware High School.

What,KS you are challenging my math? Good! I have no idea where that came from.That should have been a year and 7.5 months!  The description of the truck was as given in the paper. People were on the watch for it and the flag was a very obvious feature. ( I did not call him a white supremacist.) I'm not quite sure what "proof" you want. I can hunt for the newspaper article but I doubt I still have it. The man, young, probably mid to late 20's was scaring the kids! Why would I make up a story? I'm not running for office.
  This is exactly how trouble starts.  The generalizations get everyone into trouble. Not all of any group does everything good or bad or the same. I can't imagine how you would manage on a jury trial. If he's black he's guilty! If he's white, he must be innocent. Don't bother with the evidence.  Those PB you watched did no violence to anyone, as you saw. That was a downtown Philly black neighborhood. How could you possibly relate to that? As compared to where you are it might as well be Mars. (There are places in the Strawberry Mansion section I would never go near.) The police were right there. Nothing happened! They have the leeway to stop what's going on or not. They did ask them to move farther away and they did. It was a black neighborhood. No white people were likely to show up to vote there.  If the PB had showed up in a white neighborhood at a white polling place I could see a big deal being made of it  It didn't happen and I'm sure the media was very disappointed. No juicy stories.I'm sure we can find some nice foul mouthed white kid spewing insults too to even it all out. But why?
And you have no idea about what I might say about the deficit, nor are you really interested, so that's that. If the truth doesn't suit you, make up your own story.
Frank, What is your problem? Joe Biden went to a Catholic high school. He wore a coat and tie like everyone else did.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 14, 2010, 06:51:04 PM
  This is exactly how trouble starts.  The generalizations get everyone into trouble. Not all of any group does everything good or bad or the same. I can't imagine how you would manage on a jury trial. If he's black he's guilty! If he's white, he must be innocent. Don't bother with the evidence.  Those PB you watched did no violence to anyone, as you saw. That was a downtown Philly black neighborhood. How could you possibly relate to that?

No. Trouble starts when we began applying the law with a double standard according to race.  Its called Voter Intimidation look it up.  If we are going to say that it is okay for BP to stand outside a polling place while armed, then no one should have any problem with the Klan being there, right?  I mean, they have just as much right to be there as anyone else don't they?  If we are going to allow the BP hide behind Freedom of Speech then we have to apply it equally to all.  As for your jury trial comment, where do you come up with this crap?  Nobody said Black = Guilty.  How could I possibily relate to a black philly neighborhood...simple, I'm american as they are, our laws are supposed to apply equally...remember?

Frank, What is your problem? Joe Biden went to a Catholic high school. He wore a coat and tie like everyone else did.

I don't have a problem, Diane I bet everyone in that discussion knew what I was referring to but you.

QuoteI do agree Pam there's not much room for racism and I do believe in the First Amendment that states we all have the freedom of speech, so why is it that i'd go to jail for saying the N word but yet he doesn't go to jail for saying he wants all the white people and their babies dead? Where's the hate crime people at there? I don't see the NAACP or the ACLU getting on this wanting this guy prosecuted. Answer me this....

askin me a question I can't answer Hillbilly. I do not have a clue. I have little use for the modern versions of those two entities. They took what was a good idea at the time and twisted it to suit whatever their pet purpose was at the time like happens to MOST good ideas.

I have a Confederate flag. My great great great grandfather died in a federal prisoner of war camp in february 1865. He owned no slaves.......he just thought he was free.  It symbolizes rebellion and standin for what you belive in to me. I'm not apologizin for havin it and I don't flaunt it just to piss people off either.It MEANS somethin to me.  but that's just me.......

One more time before i lose it and log off again not to be seen for a few months: MY POINT on this is the FACT that if a WHITE person says something that can be construed as racist by ANYONE then they are arrested or it's front page news because "whites just try to beat a brother down." BUT when you have a BLACK man screaming that he wants all white people and their BABIES dead, he gets away with it because of free speech and OMG he has had such a hard life what with slavery and racism and such, we must let him do and say as he pleases! I say BULLSHIT! I don't give a damn WHAT neighborhood he was in, any time he was spewing his hatred, he is a racist trying to make something happen that will make someone else look bad for "picking" on him.

Neither I or my husband said "If he's black he's guilty! If he's white, he must be innocent!" If anyone would care to go back to the very beginning of this whole thread, they will see that my point above is the POINT i've been trying to make. No one seems to understand my point. I've spelled it out. I'M NOT BEING RACIST! I take his threats to heart. To me, it's like a call to arms. He's one man so he can't kill all the whites and their babies BUT he can recruit others to do some of the dirty work. We've seen it with the Muslim terrorists so now we are seeing it here. It's a terroristic act, same as the KKK used to do that the blacks were all up in arms over. Now THEY are retaliating and I'm sorry but we are the minority here!

MR KSH is an ex truck driver and he has been from coast to coast, from Canada to Mexico. He has been in these towns and has seen some things going on. Just because we live in good ole Kansas, USA doesn't mean we are all a bunch of backwards ass hillbilliess that have NO clue what goes on in them there big cities. We've seen those shitholes and THAT'S why we live in Longton, Kansas USA away from the stupidity of the east and west coasts. We will be the first to admit that there are some locals tho but we are weeding them out and they're moving out of the state and out of the country as well.

So, if no one gets my point, i'm not wasting my time anymore tonight (or maybe ever) on this subject. I haven't smoked for over a year now and this site just makes me want to light up!

Jennifer Walker
Mrs. KSH
Longton, KS, USA
not a CNN contributor

well HELL ks.....I got the point.......I THOUGHT I was agreein with ya LOL but NICE rant! and no I ain't bein sarcastic :)

 If, for the sake of example the KKK, that you say doesn't exist any more, showed up in a white neighborhood at a polling place, not hidden in hoods, carrying batons and told the police they had heard there was going to be trouble from a black group, I'm sure the Philly cops would have dealt with it just as they did the other. Ya don't mess with Philly cops. There are huge white cops and huge black cops. They will keep things under control and are very good at defusing situations. Why do you want to believe the BP caused trouble? A stern face is not dangerous.Those two men were not strangers to the police.I'm sure there are other BP's that would not have been given the same consideration and would have been told to leave. Why don't you think the Philly cops didn't handle it? Why do you believe that everything that was going on was in front of that reporter's camera? The reporter had a stake in a potentially good story, and all being peaceful and light wasn't it! The other tape had nothing to do with the election and wasn't even remotely at the same time of year. HB why do you think you'd go to jail for saying the N word? Did you? Was there an incident where you and some black guy sguared off? I only ask because you seem so positive and I doubt there is a black or a liberal within 30 miles of you. Who would arrest you? Aren't the cops out there as conservative as you are? KS, PLEASE NOTE THAT THE OTHER GUY WAS MOSTLY IGNORED! He wanted attention and except for the camera man hoping for a story, he didn't get it.  Apparently you really don't know what goes on the big cities... CATS, Picasso, King Tut, Sorry you'll miss it. When you say you are seeing it "here" ..you aren't here, I am. That was one guy on a rant...same as right here. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I just don't agree that "they" are taking over. Now I'm sure your" Locals" out there will love to know you are "weeding them out." What kind of talk is that!" Ouch! Don't start smoking again. Bad for ya!
Now I'll stop before lightning strikes again and yells at me for picking on these poor defenseless Kansas folk. And I'm not kidding. But I still think we can agree to disagree on many things and I warn you you still have no idea how I really think. I put lots of stuff here just for the sake of conversation. No, I am no way against the rebel flag, never have been. Now put that in your cheek and chew it.

Have you EVER been to Elk County or surrounding counties?

Sedan is 20 miles south, they have black people there.
Independence is 27 miles east, they have black people there.
Caney is about 40 miles from here, there's a great guy there, a black cowboy who would beat the living hell out of people like the BPs, one of our best friends.
About 40 miles give or take to Coffeyville. Around 80 miles to Tulsa, Joplin, Wichita or Emporia. Around 50 miles to Winfield . Around 60 miles to Arkansas City. What do all of those towns have in common?  BLACK PEOPLE...
Robert has a black uncle and black cousins. I have a black brother in law and a black niece and nephew. YOU know nothing of me or my beliefs. AND I never made any statement about the KKK not existing anymore. I am really agreeing with Varmint on his comment of where you come up with this crap.
There are liberals all over the damn place and one that lives 100 feet from me. Are you insulting the proud liberals on the forum by suggesting they are not as they say they are? Most of them live within 30 miles of me.

Am I getting a little defensive here? YES. I am so sick of people that think they know every little detail of every little thing and the way things are twisted around to suit their purpose. I have had it. I started this thread with a POINT (which I'm NOT going into again) and if people are too stupid to get it then screw you,I'M DONE WITH IT!!

Diane, I can assure you that there is a black within 30 miles.  He farms a small truck garden just outside Elk Falls, I pass it several times a day on my way to the rock quarry.  But that is beside the point.  Let me ask you again, how are the two BP's not violating the oter Intimidation Law?  Although it may have been a predominitly black neighborhood I'm pretty sure there were at least 1 or two whites or hispanics show up.

Varmit, I'm sure they did, my point was the police were right there. If they thought the law needed to be enforced they would have.  Sometimes LEOs are called "peace officers" for a reason. The BPs were asked to move away a bit and they did. If they had hoped for a confrontation then it failed.They didn't get the attention they would have wanted. Actually most on the crime here is either random or same race. Black on black crime in Philly is big. Same here in Wilmington. Drugs and alcohol are usually involved.
    I just don't know what started  KS's rant. I'm sure I could find some footage of Philly cops busting black heads if it would help. I don't know what pulling out such old footage on the election day of the first black president was meant to do. Again, I got in trouble with the plural "you." I've got to be more careful. My comment about the KKK not existing any more was a general one, I think it was Steve who actually said it. I didn't start this conversation, I just reacted to it because the footage shown was from here, Philly, and I saw the rest, AT THE TIME, the follow ups later and the news paper articles that none of you all would have seen.
People of ALL colors get away with stuff all the time. The subject was a rant about race, so that's what we talked about. And where do I get this stuff? It's laid before me on a platter.You guys labeled me as a liberal Democrat long ago and you aren't accepting any other explanation. You all have no idea the mixed bag I voted for in the election and they sure weren't all Democrats. I am registered Independent for a reason. If KS doesn't want things twisted, then be a good role model and don't do it. If one starts with a sensitive topic one must expect a mixed response. If all one wants is to hear is from those who constantly agree, then an open forum isn't the place. As far as insults, they are lobbed at me on a regular basis.  "Suck it up", as was once said.  Nobody cares about manners on here as has been shown over and over.  Sure, state your point, then be ready for some counterpoint.
I'm glad KS does have a mixed family, there might be where the rant came from, who knows. KS responded to some comments that were addressed to other people and that's fine, but don't be surprised when the response isn't what you expected. I just don't agree that blacks in general are being treated "better'' than whites. One bad example from a big city far away doesn't make it so. Show me trends, statistics. I never did figure out just why KS thought she/he would be arrested for using the N word.There must have been more to it than was printed. After that it was attack me again and that was the end of it. May I please have Steve arrested for calling me a Nazi? No? Well darn!
Lighten up people, the world isn't over yet. If the Repubs can come up with some decent candidates they make take the house back and may well take control back in 2012. Frankly, as far as taxes go, I'll fare better if the Bush tax cuts are continued. As far as the deficits...stop the wars and dry up the money. (When George B. cut taxes the public loved it, but then the Gov't stopped paying a lot of its bills and the deficit began to rise.)  Let China move into Afghanistan, stabilize the borders and mine the mountain wealth. 

I just went back and completely reread the previous posts and I finally figured out what bothered me so much. The fact that a video from the biggest city near where I live was used, not Topeka or Wichita or Houston or Dallas. Philadelphia! a beautiful traditionally yankee city built on Quaker principles. The birth of our country happened here. Why wouldn't I be upset to see us used that way.  KS, next time find some footage of someplace you know something about to use as an example when you go on a tirade! Wichita footage?. I would have never said anything because perhaps your story was true there, but to carry on like that and insult where I live, and not have the facts right, well enough of that. I've been all over Kansas many times and I know how things are, and I sure as heck know more about Kansas than you guys do about Philadelphia. If all those towns and cities have black people...insult them instead. You made it personal to me and then got mad because I fought back? Sheesh. >:(

What is your main malfunction--Diane ?? What part of"the black panthers broke the voter intimidation law' do you not understand ? I really don't give a rats ass if it was in Philly or Oak Valley. They broke the law !!
What does the fact that Philly is a beautiful city(that's debatable) have to do with the fact that the law was broke ?
  What do you mean" you have been all over Kansas and know how we are " ? You are always saying shit like that and then can't understand why "lightning strikes". Every chance you get, you say some snide remark like us Kansans are a bunch of in -bred hillbillies. Then when someone calls you on it you want to start whining about how mean we are and you will stop posting. Sheesh !!!

Jar, that was a compliment if you'd stop being so touchy about it. Kansas is a beautiful state with lots of open country and many nice people. The cat fish can't be beat and the steaks are top notch. MOST of the people are totally delightful. There are some who are disgusting and have ugly hearts just like everywhere else.  (My family is from Kansas for heavens sakes.)  But don't expect me to keep taking it over and over and over just because some can get away with it. I get plenty of PMs on the positive side so I know I'm not wrong all the time. It's an open forum. You want to complain to the Philadelphia Police because they didn't risk an uprising by arresting PB in a black neighborhood MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, help yourself.  Better yet, ask a lawyer. As far as snide remarks go, you have a few people on here who are professionals and never miss an opportunity.  Go bust their chops and call them on it for awhile. Same double standard.  I still think calling the Pres. Sambo is wrong. Why not use the N-word while you are at it and apparently risk jail? I still don't understand that part.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 15, 2010, 08:53:33 AM
    I just don't know what started  KS's rant. I'm sure I could find some footage of Philly cops busting black heads if it would help. I don't know what pulling out such old footage on the election day of the first black president was meant to do.

Ok...maybe I wouldn't get arrested for calling a black person a nigger then. I don't fight with black people. I don't start shit with them. I don't do anything to them. My point, again and again, was not only the word nigger, but the whole screaming, "I want to kill all black people and their babies" would get me arrested and I'd get in some pretty deep shit for it! But what happened here to the "King"? NOTHING. That may be old footage, but it's in the NEWS RIGHT NOW because of Eric Holder not doing his job!

Did I SAY I wanted to see some footage of Philly cops busting black heads? WHY do you have to make me sound like some majorly racist piece of shit? Oh, I forgot, because like Jarhead pointed out, we are all a bunch of imbred hillbillies here in this state that still live like it was 200 years ago. We haven't evolved from the Civil War yet. I forgot...YOU told ME that you bet there isn't a black person within 30 miles from me. I was proving you wrong. Just where do you get that I'm insulting those towns?

NIGGER=LAZY PERSON
Not all blacks are lazy. Not all whites are lazy. I know plenty of both tho. I deliver their welfare checks every month!

Please don't attribute what Jar said to my mouth. That's how people get painted with the wrong brush. There is just one on here who I do believe should be living back in the civil war time and it isn't you. Now that you mentioned Eric Holder I understand.  (Elk county is only 6.2 percent black, by the way.) I'm really sorry that guy up set you but most big cities have a few of those. The police know exactly who each one is, the company they keep and if one or many make a real move or a threat with a name on it, I'm sure they would act.
  Cities do have white characters too. We had a man here who had Tourettes and was somewhat retarded. He sat along a stone wall downtown a couple of days a week cussing and screaming and making horrible threats to anyone who passed by. He was harmless and we all knew it, but it could be scary if someone didn't understand. He finally died.
I was curious so I looked up some stats from the Dept. of Justice's bureau of statistics. In anyone's life time a person's chance of being arrested and going to prison is men 11.3 %  women 1.85% .... blacks 18.6% Hispanic 11.4%  white 3.4% Traffic stop and search... 9% Hispanic, 9.5% black,  3.6% white. Traffic stop with arrest following... black 4.5%   Hispanic 3.6%   white 1.2% All were pulled over at about the same rate between 8 and 9%. There had been some problems with black profiling but that has evened out. On a side note, which really is none of my business, I wonder why all those welfare checks  aren't direct deposit so they aren't lost or stolen? It would be more private too.

No one gets a real check in the mail now.

Ah, just a facsimile? Thanks!  Why didn't I think of that? ;)

Diane, where did you get that Elk County is 6.2% Black, Elk county is less than .02% black. When the other posters were talking about the numbers of Blacks in the area they were talking about towns within 30-50  miles of Elk County.

It was in the Elk County census information. Maybe I'd better go look at it again. I'd sure tend to trust your number better than mine.... You got it. I read the wrong line and got it for the whole state, not just Elk county. Hm, not to get in trouble all over again but perhaps my original statement was closer to correct than I thought.

Diane you are getting into discussions/arguments with people on the forum about subjects and areas you know absolutely nothing about. Many people in Elk County drive to work or to shop, or to the Dr.or for whatever in other towns and that is what KSH said in her post, that we have do have African Americans in all of the towns around, noone said that we have a concentration in Elk County. Many of these people drive to the surrounding larger towns 5-6 days a week.

twirldoggy, the VA tries to get you to direct deposit your check but they will still send an actual check if you want that. So does the Social security admin.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 15, 2010, 08:53:33 AM
I just don't agree that blacks in general are being treated "better'' than whites. One bad example from a big city far away doesn't make it so. Show me trends, statistics.

Statistics?  Trends?...How about the Dept. of Justice refusing to prosecute those black panthers because they are black? 

and it will increase racial tension...that was the excuse! Unfreakingbelievable!

Quote from: frawin on July 15, 2010, 07:34:21 PM
Diane, where did you get that Elk County is 6.2% Black, Elk county is less than .02% black. When the other posters were talking about the numbers of Blacks in the area they were talking about towns within 30-50  miles of Elk County.

Don't know about the percentage rates but there is a black man that farms a small piece just west of Oak Valley and then theres my son so thats one in Grenola.

Varmit, you trying to say your son is lazy ? :)

Yup ,Frank this all started with a video clip from Philadelphia. You're right, I  couldn't possibly know anything about that. As  far as how many blacks there are in Elk County, it doesn't matter, never did.The discussion played out. I found out what I wanted to know. I didn't understand the title and now I do. As far as people on here discussing things they know nothing about, there is no shortage of that on here from many corners. Don't take it all so seriously. Most is just in fun anyway.

Jarhead, it is true that VA and Social Security will still cut a check, but welfare money including foodstamps comes on a card.  It is then used like a debit card by the recipients.

So it's taken me awhile to finally get a response in this thread.  I don't think that this has anything to do with race, that goes for both sides.  I don't think the demorats or republicants are acting on anything based on race.  Lets be honest, its all about winning, making the other side look bad, and pushing an agenda.   Basically politics.

First of all, voter intimidation happens all the time, every major election cycle.  Its done by both sides.  In this case, we have a particularly stupid, small, fringe group organization (the new black panthers) and on the other side, a group of mass media pundits with an agenda and too much empty air time to fill.

Now i said earlier that this isn't a racist thing going on, but that doesn't mean race isn't important.  You see, the reason this story is sensational is because its the black panthers.  Old white people are generally afraid of large young militant black men.  Actually, if you watch fox news, you are pretty afraid of just about everything.

You republicans don't really have a lot of room to argue on this whole subject.  If people were more intelligent, the media couldn't get away with this.  Unfortunately, as you have shown in some other threads over the last few days, you conservatives lack a certain amount of intelligence and research ability.  The fact of the matter is that this whole fiasco was a team effort. 

First it was the Bush administration that decided they wanted to politicize the justice department.  Do you remember when attorneys were fired because of their personal political beliefs?  Remember all those senate hearings?  You see, when you open the flood gates to improper behavior, its pretty hard to close them.  You can't go down to the bar, get drunk, pass out on the sidewalk, and then the next night try to stop you're friend from drinking.

Second, the crime occured while Bush was still president.  Of course it was the end of his term, and Bush could have kept his hands off the issue, but he didn't  It was under the Bush admin that the DOJ decided to make the case a civil matter instead of criminal.  Those of you who are wondering why there were no real punishments can blame the bush people.

Third, the person who decided to drop the charges against the party was not someone from the Obama administration.  You see, it takes time for new people to get settled into their offices, and with the senate moving so slow, a lot of the appointees are not getting confirmed.  That means that people from the previous administration have to stay on to keep the government running.  Enter Loretta King.  I honestly don't know what her politics are, but she's the one who decided not to take the panthers to civil court. 

Fourth, the Obama administration took the case as far as they could have gone with it, but they were stupid for not being prepared, and for trying to make it about race.  Its not about race, its politics.

Fifth, Everyone complaining about this needs to give themselves a reality check.  Examine your sense of fairness, and your attention span.  Watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4-JieEI-0Q

Also take note.  The preacher in the video says "this is a real church, only men speak in this church"  Apparently he's read Paul.  According to him (and paul), none of you go to real churches.

Quote from: Anmar on July 16, 2010, 02:24:17 AM
So it's taken me awhile to finally get a response in this thread.  I don't think that this has anything to do with race, that goes for both sides.  I don't think the demorats or republicants are acting on anything based on race.  Lets be honest, its all about winning, making the other side look bad, and pushing an agenda.   Basically politics.

Black President. Black Attorney General. NAACP. Black Defendants...This has nothing to do with R's or D's and everything to do with race.

Quote from: Anmar on July 16, 2010, 02:24:17 AM
First of all, voter intimidation happens all the time, every major election cycle.  Its done by both sides.  In this case, we have a particularly stupid, small, fringe group organization (the new black panthers) and on the other side, a group of mass media pundits with an agenda and too much empty air time to fill.

So where was the voter intimidation on the other side during the last campagin?

Quote from: Anmar on July 16, 2010, 02:24:17 AM
You republicans don't really have a lot of room to argue on this whole subject.  If people were more intelligent, the media couldn't get away with this.  Unfortunately, as you have shown in some other threads over the last few days, you conservatives lack a certain amount of intelligence and research ability.  The fact of the matter is that this whole fiasco was a team effort. 

It has been the Republicans and Conservatives that have pointing out the lies and deception that the Dems. and obama have been spreading.  More intelligent?  Have you actually looked at the policies being pushed by the adminstration with Democrat support? 

As for the rest of your post...Please!  The current adminstration has had a year and a half to do something about this and they haven't.  And now theres reports saying that the DOJ isn't going to prosecute Voter Intimidation cases where the defendants are black.  Whats more is that the case was dropped because of pressure by the NAACP, a group with close ties to the New Black Panthers, and that the First Lady was speaking at a few days ago.  Not only that but look at the broader picture.

The New Black Panthers follow the ideology of Black Liberation Theology, the same garbage that Jeremiah Wright has been preaching and that obama listened to for 20 years.  Coincidene?...I think not.

New Black Panthers violent, anti-Semitic, pro-Islamic
Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 7/15/2010 6:00:00 AM

The former Justice Department attorney who quit his job and blew the whistle on the DOJ's dealings with the New Black Panther Party claims the group is extremely anti-Semitic and pro-Islamic. (See earlier story)

J. Christian Adams has been quite busy since blowing the whistle on details surrounding the Department Of Justice's dismissal of charges against the New Black Panther Party for voter intimidation in Philadelphia during the 2008 presidential election. Adams recently revealed that attorneys in the Civil Rights Division were instructed to not pursue voter intimidation cases when the defendant was black and the victim was white. He concludes that the New Black Panthers are clearly a dangerous group.

"This is a very violent, anti-Semitic, quasi-Islamic, black nationalist organization that has chapters all over the country," he notes. "They are folks who regularly preach violence; they show up at rallies with machetes and shotguns, and they threaten to show up at school board meetings."

Adams adds that the founder of the group was too radical even for Louis Farrakhan's organization.

"The founder of the organization was a man named Khalid Mohammad, who was very active in the Nation of Islam in the early 1990s," the whistleblower reports. "He was so radical, he was so out of the mainstream that the Nation of Islam even threw him out. So what did he do? He went and he formed the New Black Panther Party."

In light of Adams' recent testimony before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, Pajamas Media is reporting that Congressman Frank Wolf (R-Virginia) is asking the inspector general of the Justice Department to launch an investigation into the dismissal of the case against the New Black Panther Party.

........and:

Will Obama ignore this request?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=177957

One last thing on this subject...I was speaking with a Montgomery County, KS Sheriff's Officer about this and asked him if I would go to jail for calling a black person a nigger. He said yes, I would if that person was offended. I asked him if I would go to jail for standing on a street corner saying I wanted to kill all black people and their babies and he said yes. Criminal threat and all that. He did tell me though that I probably wouldn't make it to jail because the "offended" black person would put a cap in my ass before the cops ever got there. Kinda what I figured... :police:

If you called a black person a nigger and the person objected, then what would be the charge that would put you in jail?

I don't know the exact charge. I'm sure disturbing the peace is somewhere in there. He just said that if the person was offended and felt threatened then I would be arrested. Their word against mine pretty much.

Inmy surrounding area there are very few black people.  There is in fact several that have a black parent and a white parent.  Before you inquire, no not to many live with their parents.  Of course, I don't live in Elk County.

Quote from: kshillbillys on July 18, 2010, 07:08:47 PM
I don't know the exact charge. I'm sure disturbing the peace is somewhere in there. He just said that if the person was offended and felt threatened then I would be arrested. Their word against mine pretty much.

The charge wouldn't be for what you said, but for the way it made the person it was directed to feel.  If the person felt threatened, the charge would most likely be assault.  If you had a weapon in your hand at the time, it could be aggravated assault.  And it has nothing to do with the color of the persons involved.  It is just as true of an incident between two white people as it is between a white and black or any other color.  And, yes, it would be pretty much their word against mine unless there were witnesses on the scene who were willing to become a part of it by testifying.

I hope Janet backs me up on this.  It has been a long time since I worked in a law office.

Wilma,
Went to the Café this morning and my nephew greeted me by saying,
"morn'n fat Ron". It made me feel----well---it made me feel pleasingly plump". He did have a spatula in his hand when he said it so should he be arrested for aggravated assault ??
I do say this with tongue in cheek Wilma but don't you agree this PC crap is getting plumb out of hand and to be arrested for such nonsense is a waste of John Law's time ?
PS: (whisper ) Wilma, since you appointed yourself the spelling czar on another thread you better check your spelling of "assault" before Steve sees it .

Thank you, jar.  I have corrected it.  My only excuse is that I had already corrected the first "their" in the sentence having spelled it "there".

Quote from: jarhead on July 19, 2010, 09:31:45 AM
Wilma,
Went to the Café this morning and my nephew greeted me by saying,
"morn'n fat Ron". It made me feel----well---it made me feel pleasingly plump". He did have a spatula in his hand when he said it so should he be arrested for aggravated assault ??
I do say this with tongue in cheek Wilma but don't you agree this PC crap is getting plumb out of hand and to be arrested for such nonsense is a waste of John Law's time ?
PS: (whisper ) Wilma, since you appointed yourself the spelling czar on another thread you better check your spelling of "assault" before Steve sees it .

Now jarhead i really am not that petty.  :P  one thing that i don't do a lot of is capitalization, and sometimes not even punctuation as i have worked far too long in the it industry, specifically unix where you don't use capital letters in much of anything.   Unlike windows, Unix treats a capital letter differently than the same lowercase letter and it just isn't used unless for special things. 

whatever on it, i do know how to write, and i do know how to write professional letters, but forums are not professional and IMO i could care less whether i spelled there, their, or they're correctly, and i could care less whether a word is capitalized properly.  Forums are more discussion type arenas much like sitting in a room and conversing, and you don't sit there in a conversation and say Capital this that and the other then the word and you don't go spelling out which their, they're or there you wish to use.

as far as spell check in this forum, most of the time the "dictionary" does not have the words in it that i might need to run through the spell checker.   

LOL which reminds me when i was taking creative writing a couple years ago, my instructor would correct the heck out of my papers, but would give me an A still every time.  She loved my writing, and my ability to being the subject to life enough that she overlooked my gramatical errors.  Shrug.  The final for my grade was 1/2 of my total grade for the quarter and the state required me to make a video of me standing and presenting a paper i wrote and I don't do videos.  Not going to ever happen.   I wrote my paper for the video, and submitted it to her, but since it was not in a video format i recieved a zero.   Still passed my class with a B.  I was happy with that.

Steve, as you can tell I sure as hell aint qualified to point out anyones mis-spelled words or use of  good English. That was supposeed to have one of them little smiley faced thing-a-ma-bobs after it but it disappeared. I'm just jealous that most people know how to use spell check and talk about typing with 4 fingers and such. I use one finger and typing is alot like a "search & destroy" mission for me.

I knew a loan officer once that used the two finger hunt and peck method.  Still the loan papers he turned out had nary a mispelled word or lacked a capital letter where it was needed.  He also did this while the clients sat in front of him and waited.  In my humble opinion there is no excuse for slovenly work except laziness.  If I were facing and conversing with a person I would not expect capital letters or punctuation marks as the person's demeanor would provide those and the conversation would be easy to follow.  Lack of capital letters and punctuation not only appears slovenly but deters the reading of the missive as the reader has to figure out what the writer meant.  By the time that is accomplished the reader is more likely to say one of those words that I don't know how to spell and throw the whole thing out.   What then has the writer accomplished?

Wilma, I have read 100's of Crude and Natural Gas contracts, land leases, ROW agreements, Tanker Charters, home and land purchase agreements, but I don't know what reading a missle is. I am just curious and want to know for the future. Thanks

Back in 1963, I found that I had a problem with the newspaper reporting related to the sports in my school. So I wrote a letter of complaint to Joe McGuff, the offending Kansas City Star sportswriter. McGuff, who was around 36 at the time, had fifteen years with the Star when I wrote him. Prior to that, he wrote for the Tulsa World. He never finished college.

I typed my letter on erasable typewriter paper—an error could be erased with an ordinary pencil erasure and then the space typed over with the correct letter. This type of paper was a blessing for me when writing ordinary letters or research papers, although that type of paper was frowned upon for use in business circles.

The reply I got back was hard to believe. He was nice with his reply, but in his response, I became more interested in the style of his letter than I was in the reply. I received the most atrocious looking message I have ever received from someone in my life.

On regular typing paper, he began sentences with small letters, used caps in mid sentence, scratched out letters with pencil, retyped those letters, added in penciled words, added in scribbling, etc. I would have received a double F if I had ever turned in something similar in college. I think at some point in his sports writing he had admitted belonging to the hunt and peck school of typing. None of the forum entries would even come close to matching this fellow's style.

There was no mistake as to what he said in his reply though. The message was as clear as could be. Even so, with his "penmanship," I had to wonder how he ever became a newspaper story writer.

In those days before personal computers, I think he had a secretary or an office typist that put his words in final form before his story ever went to the editor for approval.

Three years after I wrote my letter, McGuff became the Star's sports editor. Twenty years after that he became the editor of the Kansas City Star.

I kept that letter for the longest time, but it has gotten away from me.

Wow ! Interesting!

Wilma,
Back in the 60's my oldest brother had recruiting duty at the AFEE's building in KC. He sat behind a typewriter all day signing up recruits. He would type with both hands like he was taught in school then switch over and type with his two index fingers, and I swear he could type just as fast that way. Think he did it just to show off because he knew I was too dense to learn how to type.

Frank, I could blame it on a typo, but I won't.  I used the wrong word, wondered if it were right, decided not to look it up and you caught me.  I have corrected it and I did look it up.

Quote from: jarhead on July 19, 2010, 10:59:41 AM
Steve, as you can tell I sure as hell aint qualified to point out anyones mis-spelled words or use of  good English. That was supposeed to have one of them little smiley faced thing-a-ma-bobs after it but it disappeared. I'm just jealous that most people know how to use spell check and talk about typing with 4 fingers and such. I use one finger and typing is alot like a "search & destroy" mission for me.

Rotfl, yeah search and destroy. LOL.  Well up til last month, i could type 70 wmp. It is a habit of the trade.  Just pick it up over the years.

Quote from: Wilma on July 19, 2010, 04:12:13 PM
Frank, I could blame it on a typo, but I won't.  I used the wrong word, wondered if it were right, decided not to look it up and you caught me.  I have corrected it and I did look it up.

Thanks Wilma, I have found that I am never to old to learn something new and I thought this was it. I know you worked around Law and Tax offices and I thought it was some form there that I was not familiar with.

Actually, Frank, I think you could read a missile if you ran very, very fast.

Jar, if the guy with the spatula was wielding a cleaver, he may have planned on serving you up. Definitely assault!  ;D Spell check can be put on your tool bar very easily. 'm sure Steve could tell you how in about five words. Even though I'm a good speller, I'm a very poor typist and it catches my ie reversals and teh errors that I might read through. My "two finger" is getting much faster now and I'm less likely to be three posts behind.
Steve, quite frankly, I wish this forum really was like people talking like friends in the living room. If I was talked to there as I sometimes am on here, somebody would be leaving with said cleaver in the back of their skull!

Quote from: Wilma on July 19, 2010, 08:35:16 AM
The charge wouldn't be for what you said, but for the way it made the person it was directed to feel.  If the person felt threatened, the charge would most likely be assault.  If you had a weapon in your hand at the time, it could be aggravated assault.  And it has nothing to do with the color of the persons involved.  It is just as true of an incident between two white people as it is between a white and black or any other color.  And, yes, it would be pretty much their word against mine unless there were witnesses on the scene who were willing to become a part of it by testifying.

I hope Janet backs me up on this.  It has been a long time since I worked in a law office.

Really?  Thats interesting considering that the DOJ has attorneys that will not prosecute black defendants charged with voter intimadation where the victims are white.  Nor will they arrest black people guilty of hate speech that proclaim that if blacks want freedom then they're going have to "kill some crackers and they white babies". 

Quote from: Varmit on July 19, 2010, 05:39:31 PM
Really?  Thats interesting considering that the DOJ has attorneys that will not prosecute black defendants charged with voter intimadation where the victims are white.  Nor will they arrest black people guilty of hate speech that proclaim that if blacks want freedom then they're going have to "kill some crackers and they white babies". 

Prove it.  The guy was prosecuted in a civil case and lost.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2010, 05:15:22 PM
Steve, quite frankly, I wish this forum really was like people talking like friends in the living room. If I was talked to there as I sometimes am on here, somebody would be leaving with said cleaver in the back of their skull!

OMG Diane you have got to be shittin me! You mean to tell me that you would put a cleaver in the back of somebody's skull because somebody had talked down to you or called you a name? This post isn't that damn long...Isn't that what the whole damn thing is over? Isn't that the kettle calling the pot black?

MR. KSH

P.S. That wouldn't be an aggravated assault, it would be first degree murder, and presumably premeditated since you first talked about doing it on a public forum....

In my own living room?  My house, my rules. I wouldn't let anybody talk to anybody in my house like that, ever. Of course I was kidding about the cleaver and you know it! You know perfectly well I am not a violent person, but you would be escorted out post haste. People don't smoke in my house either.

WND TV

'Want freedom? Kill some crackers!'
New Black Panther Obama DOJ refused to prosecute: 'I hate white people – all of them!'

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Posted: July 07, 2010
11:45 pm Eastern


By Chelsea Schilling
© 2010 WorldNetDaily



Minister King Samir Shabazz, aka Maurice Heath (photo: Can't Stop the Bleeding blog)


"You want freedom? You're gonna have to kill some crackers! You're gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

Those were the words of Minister King Samir Shabazz, also known as Maurice Heath, the New Black Panther Party's Philadelphia leader.

Shabazz is the same man the Obama administration Department of Justice refused to prosecute after he was filmed on Election Day 2008 with Jerry Jackson wearing paramilitary uniforms, carrying a nightstick and blocking a doorway to a polling location to intimidate voters.

The following YouTube video posted by Naked Emperor News shows his statements during a National Geographic special on the New Black Panthers:



"I hate white people – all of them! Every last iota of a cracker, I hate 'em," Shabazz shouts into a megaphone on a crowded sidewalk. "Through South Street with white, dirty, cracker whore [expletive] on our arms. And we call ourselves black men with African garb on."

Then Shabazz spotted a black man embracing a white woman.

"What the hell is wrong with you, black man?" he shouted into his megaphone. "You [inaudible] with a white girl on your damn arm!

"You want freedom? You're gonna have to kill some crackers! You're gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

In a 2008 interview with the Philadelphia Inquirer, Sabazz said, "I'm about the total destruction of white people. I'm about the total liberation of black people. I hate white people. I hate my enemy. ..."

National Geographic describes the New Black Panther Party as "a militant hate group headquartered in Washington, D.C., that seeks to redefine the black struggle for equality and demand liberation from what it sees as white supremacy."

The party has marched on Independence Day, dragging American flags through the streets, trampling the flag on the ground and setting it on fire. The following video shows members of a New York chapter protesting celebration of Independence Day at an event called "4th of U-lie" on July 5, 2008. Members say the day is not a celebration of independence for blacks.






As WND reported, one poll watcher called police on Nov. 4, 2008, after he reportedly saw Shabazz brandishing a nightstick to threaten voters just 15 feet outside a Philadelphia polling location. Shabazz stood in front of the building with Jackson.

"As I walked up, they closed ranks, next to each other," the witness told Fox News at the time. "So I walked directly in between them, went inside and found the poll watchers. They said they'd been here for about an hour. And they told us not to come outside because a black man is going to win this election no matter what."

He said the man with a nightstick told him, "'We're tired of white supremacy,' and he starts tapping the nightstick in his hand. At which point I said, 'OK, we're not going to get in a fistfight right here,' and I called the police."

According to various witnesses, the men also hurled racial epithets such as "white devil" and "cracker" and told voters they should prepare to be "ruled by the black man." One person said the men called a Republican poll worker a "race traitor" and told him there would be "hell to pay."

The following is a YouTube video of the Election Day incident:


Career Department of Justice attorneys headed by voting-section chief Chris Coates filed a case under Section 11(b) of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 against four defendants, accused the men of attempting to engage in, and engaging in, both voter intimidation and intimidation of individuals aiding voters.

The original Department of Justice complaint named Shabazz, Jackson and two other defendants: the New Black Panther Party and its chairman, Malik Zulu Shabazz, who planned deployment of 300 members on Election Day.

A federal judge ordered default judgments against the New Black Panthers after party members refused to appear in court. The DOJ trial team had won its case.

Even though DOJ lawyers had won, the Obama administration suddenly ordered it dropped – against advice of prosecutors who brought the case.

In April, the New Black Panther Party released a statement blaming Republicans, "tea-party racists" and "right-wing circles" for complaining and harassing the organization.

"Our only connection to President Obama is the common color of our skin," it states. "The same dog that bites President Obama bites us too. So I say, if you were wise, you would leave Obama alone as well because he is your last chance to save your country. You are mad because a black man has been elected to the presidency, and that affronts your oversized ego."

Christian Adams, a former DOJ attorney who quit his job after over the Obama administration's refusal to prosecute the Panthers, claims the administration has ordered the DOJ not to pursue voting-rights cases against black people. He said the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, which is investigating the dismissal, subpoenaed him and Coates, but their DOJ superiors ordered them not to testify – a violation of federal law.

"The case was dismissed on May 15, [2009]," Adams told Fox News. "All the charges were dropped against three of the defendants and the final order against one of the defendants was a timid restraint."

Only one of four defendants, Samir Shabazz, faced punishment: a temporary injunction against appearing at Philadelphia polls with a weapon. The department stopped at the injunction and didn't call for criminal penalties, monetary damages or other civil penalties.

"We were ordered to dismiss the case," Adams said. "I mean, we were told drop the charges against the New Black Panther Party."

The Department of Justice said it made a decision based on the evidence that the case could not go forward.

As WND reported, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has suggested it is now expanding its review of claims that the DOJ implemented a ban on prosecuting defendants who are black.

At a hearing in Washington this week, Adams testified that staffers throughout the department have subscribed for years to the notion that the DOJ's primary responsibility is to protect the voting rights of minority voters, not whites. He added that recent Obama administration DOJ appointees have reinforced this notion by making such racial discrimination a formal departmental policy.

According to Adams, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandez, an Obama appointee at the top of the department, announced at a policy meeting that "the voting section will not bring any other cases against blacks and other minorities."

Meanwhile, Pajamas Media reports that three more former DOJ officials are stepping forward to support Adams' testimony. According to the report, the former employees have "expressed a willingness to go on record regarding Adams' professionalism, excellent performance and outstanding record of enforcing the law without bias."

Pajamas Media adds, "Additionally, they would like to corroborate Adams' statements about the DOJ" and even offer their own accounts of purported DOJ hostility to "race-neutral law enforcement."

Asheesh Agarwal, former deputy assistant attorney general in the Civil Rights Division, worked with Adams on several cases. He called Adams a "model attorney who vigorously enforced federal voting-rights laws on behalf of all voters, without respect to race or ideology."

Mark Corallo, former DOJ director of public affairs, added: "I am not surprised that the Department is attacking J. Christian Adams. The Civil Rights Division attorneys have no interest in the rule of law as written and passed by Congress – the New Black Panther case is glaring proof that the Division has an agenda. If Congress was truly interested in oversight, there would be hearings on this case and others."

Finally, Robert Driscoll, former deputy assistant attorney general who knew Adams, told Pajamas Media:

If this is indeed the view of senior career DOJ staff – that after reviewing the facts of the New Black Panther case and the video, current laws against voter intimidation provide no ability for the DOJ to properly bring an action against the New Black Panther members shown on video and mentioned in the lawsuit — then Congress needs to have a conversation with Attorney General Holder about whether the problem lies with the Voting Rights Act itself, or with those whose job it is to enforce it

Varmit, this is the exact point I was trying to make when we put the link to the video clip of that BOY, but I was told that it did not happen and that if there would've been a problem he would've been arrested (and he was) and that I was just racist for putting it on here and obviously just an all out Elk County Retard because I don't live 82 miles from where it happened.  Keep up the good work. Obviously this is just one of many incidents and for people who actually watch the news, CNN and Fox News reported on this.


MR. KSH

Hey, you better not be talking about me. I never called anybody a racist over this nor would I .But I do have a question. After all the tea party hoo-ha, it would have been OK for a white person to show up  outside a polling place with an AK 47 slung over their shoulder?They would have dared anybody to say anything about their rights. This guy who had the club...it was a baton or some such looked scary, but as far as I know from our local news coverage here, there were no complaints and no one acted scared or intimidated. Which would you be more intimidated by, a stranger with an weapon over his arm demanding his rights to his weapon or a guy from the local neighborhood, who people knew, with a club? Do you all want to believe because it suits you? I wish my computer skills were better but they aren't .How about another view? Read this. A Penigma- A Mystery Under A Pseudonym and see another point of view. I'm not sure after all this time the real truth will ever be know other than to say nobody was touched and free speech means you have to put up with nasty mouths sometimes, just like I do.

You missed the point...It's against the law. You're gonna put up with a lot more name calling if you don't get it this time. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW FOR VOTER INTIMIDATION NO MATTER WHO IN THE HELL IT IS! At any polling center in the United States. As far as I know, the Tea Party is a demonstration against big government, overspending and cramming shit down our throats. Why there was AK47s there, I have no idea. I've seen the footage tho. Nobody at the Tea Party demonstration/rally was VOTING on a damn thing. Just 2words I want to hear Diane...I UNDERSTAND!

MR. KSH

Please name one person who was intimidated? Not one person claimed to be intimidated. As far as I know there was nobody who didn't go into vote who wanted to. Why would blacks try to keep blacks out? They did not block the doors according to the newspaper article I saw, and nobody told the poll watchers or the police or anybody they were intimidated, except the camera guy, who wasn't going to be allowed inside anyway. With the exception of a politician who is voting, cameras aren't allowed inside polling places. Now don't get me wrong, on a general day I can't stand the black panthers. They are a foul mouthed bunch of rabble rousers who certainly could have done exactly what they were accused of. But that particular day, in that black neighborhood, except for being too close, and when asked to move they did, they didn't do anything worthy of all this attention. They must be loving it. They had supposedly heard rumors that some tough whites were going to cause trouble there and try to intimidate blacks from going in. I'm not sure anybody knows the truth about that. As far as the vile verbal spew that is usually credited to them, I'd never doubt it for a minute. Anti white speech? Sure, every chance they get. But like it or not, their free speech, as vile as it might be, is protected too, especially in Philadelphia where it all started. Something I was reading just recently,"Listeners emotional reaction to speech cannot serve as a justification for censorship. Citizens must tolerate insulting and even outrageous speech in order to provide adequate  breathing space to freedoms protected by the first amendment."You might recognize that. If not I'll tell you where it came from.

Varmit, in a previous post, you said he wasnt prosecuted.  Then in the article you copy/pasted,  it says that he was prosecuted.  Make up your mind.  Also, where do you stand on right wingers bringing guns to Obama rallies in the election?

Bringing guns to Obama rallies ?  Hmmmmm..... not a bad idea.

Quote from: Warph on July 20, 2010, 12:43:46 AM

Bringing guns to Obama rallies ?  Hmmmmm..... not a bad idea.

It happened several times 2  years ago, we discussed it on the forums.  You missed the boat.

I do feel bad that some here have gotten so sucked into this black panther thing. Some are giving this exactly what the black panthers wanted. free publicity. I don't know why the "whisper down the lane" has started now, all this time later. That polling area is very black and very Democrat.The comment that was supposedly made about the "Democrats winning anyway" was very true. The people who were assigned to vote there, live there. I don't know about Elk County and whether you have assigned places to vote or not, but here we do.  Everyone who would have gone to vote there, lived there. They knew they lived in a black community and were voting for a black presidential candidate for the first time.They are a huge voting block there, not some tiny segment that nobody notices or pays any attention to.
Keep in mind Philly has a lot of black people and a black Mayor and some black council people.They are not the same people as the judges and court system. I don't know what their racial make up is and I'm not going to look it up. If you are interested, you can do that yourself.  
Frankly, I hadn't give this much thought until it turned into such a big deal on here. Please check the time line and all the players in this mess once it did go to the legal system. So much has been made about the criminal charges having been dropped. Pres. O wasn't even in office yet. It was lowered previously to to a civil action which is very different matter and yes, I know the when, how, and who for when that was dropped. Unfortunately that is the privilege of politics. If you must go all the way to the top with this, then the Bush gang lowered the charges because they knew it wasn't winnable and the Obama gang went ahead and dropped it. That's what the judges are for, they judge. If the court doesn't think it's worth the court's time they can toss it. I don't necessarily like it either, but it's intention is to weigh the facts evenly and protect everyone.
  If the  BP had hurt anyone, or one of them went right up close into a voter's "personal space",and threatened them, I'd agree 100%. It might even be called assault. But the BP are smart. They know just what they can do and what they can legally get away with. They have legal guidance that watches over every step. I suspect they even met before election day and were coached on how much they could legally get away with. You (plural) measure the value of of the publicity they got.This played right into their hands.
Authority is challenged in this country every day. Organized groups who choose to engage in civil disobedience and/or disruptions for their own reasons run the gamut from A -Z. The Westboro Baptist Church being a good example. That's where that quote I used yesterday came from. That was a legal quote from when the poor father tried to sue and lost.   When it comes to politics this is a very ugly country right now and every political writer, and every person in the media is fighting to keep their bosses and sponsors happy. One of the ways to keep the public masses interested is to play to a high emotional response and hope people don't dig for details and accuracy. So go ahead and cuss me out. That's pretty shallow and troll like, but if it makes someone feel better, OK. I've got my emotional armor on. Besides, Ill be leaving soon to get my hair done and that always makes me feel good.

Diane, You should be proud of yourself defending King Samir Shabazz. Before he was wielding a night stick intimidating voters he was singing a song saying,"I'm a warrior trained by Khalid Muhammad---I'm a terrorist trained by Usama Bin Ladin" then goes on to sing"bust a cop's ass"
Yea, he is a real sweetheart and one of those "smart black panthers

President Obama's Justice Department continues to stonewall inquiries about why it dropped a voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party.

The episode—which Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer and publisher of the left-wing Village Voice, calls "the most blatant form of voter intimidation I've ever seen"—began on Election Day 2008. Mr. Bull and others witnessed two Black Panthers in paramilitary garb at a polling place near downtown Philadelphia. (Some of this behavior is on YouTube.)

One of them, they say, brandished a nightstick at the entrance and pointed it at voters and both made racial threats. Mr. Bull says he heard one yell "You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker!"

In the first week of January, the Justice Department filed a civil lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party and three of its members, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring voters with the weapon, uniforms and racial slurs. In March, Mr. Bull submitted an affidavit at Justice's request to support its lawsuit.

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.When none of the defendants filed any response to the complaint or appeared in federal district court in Philadelphia to answer the suit, it appeared almost certain Justice would have prevailed by default. Instead, the department in May suddenly allowed the party and two of the three defendants to walk away. Against the third defendant, Minister King Samir Shabazz, it sought only an injunction barring him from displaying a weapon within 100 feet of a Philadelphia polling place for the next three years—action that's already illegal under existing law.

There was outrage over the decision among Congressional Republicans, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, and in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division—especially after it was learned one of the defendants who walked was Jerry Jackson, a member of Philadelphia's 14th Ward Democratic Committee and a credentialed poll watcher for the Democratic Party last Election Day.

Then the Washington Times reported on July 30 that six career lawyers at Justice who had recommended continuing to pursue the case were overruled by Associate Attorney General Thomas Perrelli—a top administration political appointee. One of the career attorneys, Appellate Chief Diana Flynn, had urged in an internal memo that a judgment be pressed against the defendants to "prevent the paramilitary style intimidation of voters" in the future.

Justice spokesman Alejandro Miyar says the dismissal was "based on a careful assessment of the facts and the law." But Rep. Frank Wolf (R., Va.), has been asking for more information. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Welch, for example, claims in a July 13 letter to Mr. Wolf that charges against the New Black Panther Party itself were dropped because there wasn't "evidentiary support" to prove they "directed" the intimidation. But Mr. Wolf notes in a letter sent to Justice that one defendant, Black Panther Party Chairman Malik Zulu Shabazz, said on Fox News just after the election that his activities at the polling station were part of a nationwide effort. Mr. Shabazz added that the Black Panther activities in Philadelphia were justified due to "an emergency situation."

Mr. Wolf's demands that Justice make the career attorneys on the case available for questions have been rebuffed. He also wants the House Judiciary Committee to hold hearings. A spokesman for House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers was noncommittal as to whether any hearing would be held.

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights voted on Aug. 7 to send a letter to Justice expanding its own investigation and demanding more complete answers. "We believe the Department's defense of its actions thus far undermines respect for rule of law," its letter stated. It noted "the peculiar logic" of one Justice argument, that defendants' failure to show up in court was a reason for dismissing the case: "Such an argument sends a perverse message to wrongdoers—that attempts at voter suppression will be tolerated so long as the persons who engage in them are careful not to appear in court to answer the government's complaint."

The commission noted that it could subpoena witnesses and documents if Justice doesn't better explain its actions.

President Obama needs to clear the air. As a former law professor who specialized in voting rights, he is aware of how important even-handed application of the law is to election integrity. In 2007, then-Sen. Obama introduced a bill to protect Americans from tactics that intimidate voters. It also increased the criminal penalty for voter intimidation to five years in prison from one year.

"There is no place for politics in this debate," he testified before Mr. Conyers's committee in March, 2007. "Both parties at different periods in our history have been guilty in different regions of preventing people from voting for a tactical advantage. We should be beyond that."

One way to get there is for Mr. Obama to insist his Justice Department reinstate the Black Panther case or provide a full explanation for why it was dropped.



I believe Diane, that you need to get with the times and get a little more current. Yes, President George Walker Bush was in office when this incident happened. But what you're failing to understand yet again for the umpteenth time is that under Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, and his administration with Eric Holder, another black man, the charges were dropped against King "the Hoodlum" Shabazz and as you can clearly see that we've made our point time and time again, this is all up in the news as of the 10th of this month. There's even still mention of it as of today because people (not only us) are pissed. If you care to read the Wall Street Journal comments that we've posted. There's even mention of it in the NY Times and if you slow down and read word for word and not scan the lines, maybe (with some glimmer of hope) you will be able to comprehend that all us stupid redneck imbreds know a helluva lot more than you give us credit for. And speaking of credit, I know that you got a board next to your computer with our names on it. I want to know how come that Anmar and Six Dogs have gold stars next to their names and all I have is an F...


Sincerely Yours,

MR. dysfunctional KSH

P.S. Do they use chemicals on your head when they do your hair? If so, that explains a lot.... :o

   Why do you need to try to insult me? Are you afraid some people might believe what I've been writing and I might gain a power base?  I'm not running for anything, so don't worry. I'm pursuing this only because I'm the only one on here who had any "fresh" knowledge of the BP incident on voting day, and some of you have tossed out a lot of information, some correct and some based only on what others want you to believe. I don't have a dog in this fight, but some of you despise Pre.Obama so much that I don't know if you can be objective about any of this. Can you keep an open mind about any of it?
   It was covered here on our local stations with our local reporters. It was a local incident and should have stayed that way. But since there was suddenly some political point that could be made and some political money to be made, it went national and I've hardly recognized it since.  All the news stories and comments and ugly politics have all now been predigested through so many writers and national authorities who claim to know all about it but who weren't there, that I would hardly recognize what I saw myself. The kid with the camera claimed to be intimidated...Of all the voting places he could have gone to, why did he show up there?  Someone had spread a rumor that there might be trouble!  Where did that information come from? Someone, maybe the BP themselves, was trying to set up a chance for some trouble. Why did the BP show up there?  Were they at any other voting places?  Did they live in that neighborhood?  OK, now analyze that.  Mouth off yes, to the young cameraman, no question, I saw it myself at the very first airing of the story. Foul mouthed, yup, but no worse than what you all say on here. Nobody who has ever heard the BP on a tirade would have been surprised.  "Brandished a Baton to intimidate people?" Define brandished. Look at the tape again...   Maybe...it could be. Who stood to benefit from trouble at a black voting place in a black neighborhood? Politicians, that's who! Was there any trouble anywhere else in Philly ? Not that I saw or heard of. Bartle Bull who supposedly saw a bunch of stuff, how did he wind up there of all the places he could have gone?  What was he looking for? That was not his polling place. Why wasn't he shown complaining on the student's tape. (That would have been really useful footage.) If there was intimidation going on why didn't he stop it? Why didn't someone call the police if it was so bad? It sounds like a set up to me. To benefit who specifically and for what I have no idea .The whole thing was just a little too convenient. It was politics with a capital P. Why the criminal case was dropped I already told you. The Bush camp said it wasn't winnable. Why it wasn't winnable I don't know, do you? (If the evidence was so strong ,as it supposedly is now, why wasn't it winnable then?) They didn't have to drop it. Why wasn't all this same complaining wasn't done right then.  Why didn't the lid blow off right then and there? The civil case was dropped for similar reasons, but again a lot of political hay was being made NATIONALLY. Locally it wasn't a big deal. Why does anyone expect the President to "explain" the actions?  Pres. Bush didn't have to, and they dropped the more serious criminal charges. Why should the current President. Political favoritism? Probably. Illegal? No. If it wasn't illegal on the criminal charge....well, you know. Will it ever go away, never! When the defendants didn't show up in court in I figured that was that, but politics is politics and you just never know. So now it has just become more fodder for the Chris Dodges and Rush Limbaughs .  A lot of people are upset and should be, but it would have been nice if they had been upset when the criminal charges were dropped which even you all disregarded, but then kept reminding me how the BP were armed and broke the law.
  And just for you KS.Yes, the shop used the same chemicals on me that they did on you the last time you were in there. Dawn said to be sure to tell you "hello" and remind you that you are due for a touch up. :-* :-*

"The whole thing was just a little too convenient. It was politics with a capital P. Why the criminal case was dropped I already told you. The Bush camp said it wasn't winnable. Why it wasn't winnable I don't know, do you? (If the evidence was so strong ,as it supposedly is now, why wasn't it winnable then?) "

Diane, show me some evidence that the Bush Camp dropped this case. It was not even filed until January 2009 and it was dropped after Bush was out of office.

Ok, try this. "After reviewing the matter, the civil rights division determined that the facts did not constitute a prosecutable violation of the criminal statutes." "The Dept. did file a civil action on Jan. 7, 2009 seeking injunctive and declaratory relief under 11b against four defendants." The election was over, but the Bush team was still in place. The inauguration and swearing in wasn't until Jan. 20th and it was some time after that when the new appointments were made.
  I have no Idea what 11 b was and I'm certainly no B P supporter, but if the evidence was so strong the team in place should have pursued it. As far as why the civil case was not pursued, supposedly it was for the same reason, but since the reins had long since changed by then I can't say for sure. I wasn't being a smart alec, honest. I was and am serious. It absolutely could have been racial preference, but I'm skeptical because I know how Philly feels about those disgusting Black Panthers in general. They make all blacks look bad. Attaching that second piece of video was meant to play to the high emotional response I had mentioned before, and it worked. Politics again. Because we are so small our TV coverage is from Philadelphia, so we see all the Philly news and all the local elections for there and PA and most of NJ too. It gets tiresome because we don't vote for anyone there, but we really get to know their politics, both good and bad whether we like it or not.

President obama...Black.   Eric Holder...Black.  Black Panthers...black.  Black Panthers adhere to the Black Liberation Theology.  Black Liberation is taught by Jeramiah Wright.  Obama went to wrights "church" for 20 years...you say its not about race?...bullcrap.

As for the Tea Party carrying guns...1)  At the Tea Party demonstrations there isn't any voting going on.  2)  There is no law that says they can't.  3)  There are BLACK people at the demonstrations that are welcome i.e. The Tea Partys are not a racist organization.

This is like beating a dead horse, but---Diane what do you mean "you are the only one on here (Forum ) who had any fresh knowledge of the BP incident on voting day" ? Several commentators on Fox news carried the story with-in days of it happening . Granted, what used to be known as main stream media, ignored it but Fox didn't. As for it "being a local incident and should have stayed that way"--since when if it happened in the east part of the U.S. that us mid western dummies should not know about it ? If that's the case a few years back when the BTK killer story broke it was a local matter (about as close as you are to Philly ) and should have been blocked for you  people of Delaware.

Jar, it was on our local stations here on our early evening news that day, not days later. It wasn't live but it was very close. I'm telling you it wasn't any more of a big deal than happens in one form or another every day in big cities all across the country. Don't you dare take what I said and start "creating" conclusions. There were no lines to read between. Why would you suggest my comments had anything to do with you all one way of another? And stop with the "dummy" comments, enough already. I have never said anything like that and wouldn't. Nobody in Philly was  bruised, injured, or physically touched in any way, let alone killed. Heck there is worse talk on the play ground than that. It was all mouthing off!! Who was the BTK killer? I either don't remember or never knew.

Well personally they had no business at the polling station, period.  It was not their job to be there especially being a known violent racist group, it should have intimidated any law abiding citizen at the poll and most likely did intimidate them.

Secondly, the preponderance of the evidence aka the video, shows the group is a violent racist group.   So quite frankly, they should have been prosecuted not only for voter tampering but also terroristic threats.  They went way beyond free speech.

Last night on one of the evening news shows they showed a video of this one guy spouting off and pointed out that this video had nothing to do with the poll situation.  It wasn't made at the polling place or even on the same day.  I agree that they shouldn't have been there, but I have heard that no intimidation took place, they moved away from the doors when they were asked to, they did not create any problems.  If any black voters were intimidated by their black brothers, it didn't keep them from voting.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about.  I think this thread was started to do just what it has done.  Throw everyone into a hissy over something that was taken care of at the time.  Really, a news story that happened more than a year ago?  Isn't there anything more current happening.?  Oh, yes, someone has brought it back for one purpose and one purpose only.  To make the current administration look incompetent.  Really, do we have to go back to something that happened before the current administration?  Isn't there enough happening now to show that?

Thank you Wilma...that was my point. The second video was made during the summer months, you can tell because of people's clothing and no year was mentioned, at least I don't remember it. I have no idea how old it was. I know the PB have a bad reputation and are quite happy to be considered disgusting. It gets them attention Lots of foul mouth and threats. But actual violence is very rare. Even that is because the BP pick and dig and rant until someone else loses it and all hell breaks loose. In all the years of the original BP movement in the 60's and now with the  "new" ones, I only know of one person who was killed by a BP. (I could be wrong on that.) Huey Newton killed a police office during a shoot out. I won't get into it now because I'll be accused again of being a "Know it All" and I don't mean to come off that way. But if people think about where I was in 1964 when Stokley Carmichael started the origional BP's you might guess. (few on here weren't even born yet.) I was just trying to bring some balance to the incident on election day because it happened here and I knew something about it. Go back to the original post and decide for yourselves. I'm tapped out.

Diane I was around in those days.  Huey Newton was shot by the police.  I remember those days as really extreme and as a young person who just wanted a normal life it seemed to me the last thing I wanted was polital confrontation. 

Diane,
I have not a clue what you mean  when you say,"don't you dare take what I said and start creating conclusions " BUT---that's OK, you don't have to explain yourself. If I want to call myself ,Teresa and Sarge dummies I will do it and I don't need a scolding from you. Sometimes I think you forget you are not dealing with a room full of grade school children

BTK stands for bind, torture, kill. The BTK serial killer was active when I lived in the Wichita area in the 70s, but he struck until 1991, or so.

After around ten killings, he was caught in 2005 as a result of his eagerness to bait the police and his own incompetence with computers.

A CBS TV movie was released in 2005 and there have been two other lesser BTK movies.

I still don't know what the BTK business is. You know perfectly well what I meant. I  mentioned the armed guys at a tea party and then I'm accused of protecting the Black Panthers and thinking the tea parties are racist. (As far as I know there was no law to keep the BP from carrying those batons either.) All this business about demanding to carry arms is fine with me. But it's gonna eventually turn around and bite somebody. You do know the "doctrine of unintended consequences?" ( Steve, I'd even add that one of four BP's who was there was actually a registered poll watcher who did indeed have a reason to be there.) But you guys aren't going to want to hear that because it doesn't advance how you decided want to feel.  In general, people who make big decisions on little sound bites really don't know very much. At this point it's all woulda, shoulda, coulda anyway.  I'm sorry I mentioned anything. I should have left you all in peaceful ignorance. I honestly thought you would want to know you were being "had" by political manipulators, race not withstanding. I reacted to Mrs. KS's rant. Never again.You all can stew in your own juices for all I care. You want to believe the crap that you are being fed part of the time, you are welcome to it. A few of you seem to thrive on negativity and want to believe every bad rumor or "news" story that becomes available. I won't stick my neck out again.   
  Jar, a room full of school kids are easier to deal with. except for trying to "undo" the misinformation they got on the streets. No, that garden cart didn't fly up on top of the garage on it's own, I don't care what your brother told you.  ;)
 Twirl, you remember well. Those days were very extreme and very scary part of the time.( Viet Nam was a big deal then too with all the pros and cons of that going on ) I think the reason Huey Newton was shot was because he killed a police officer in a big gunfight with the police. I'll have to look it up for details. I do know the BP showed up on the UD campus wanting to start a BP chapter there. I remember them outside the student center on a patio back there whooping it up on a bull horn. They didn't get much attention. As far as I remember it failed.
  Thanks Frank, I really didn't know about BTK and didn't see the movie. I'll have to watch for a repeat.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 21, 2010, 12:52:56 PM

   Thanks Frank, I really didn't know about BTK and didn't see the movie. I'll have to watch for a repeat.

Diane, don't get me in this and don't thank me, I didn't say a thing to you about BTK. Far be it for this dumb country boy from rural SE Kansas to try to tell you, a super smart Eastern girl anything.

Sorry Frank, I meant Waldo. Why cop an attitude with me? I haven't bothered you. And here we go again with the "dumb" comments. I can't help it if that's how you see yourself, but I've NEVER said it, nor do I feel that way. I really don't know why you put yourselves down. I do wish people would stop putting words in my mouth. Now someone will accuse me of calling Teresa and Sarge dummies because of what Jar said. I didn't do it!!!!!!

Diane, BTK was a killer in the worst way.  He preyed on ladies who lived alone.  He would be waiting for them when they got home.  When we moved to Sedgwick County, the ladies where I worked were very concerned about this.  When they learned that I was arriving home alone to an empty house, they wanted to know what I would do if he were there when I got there.  I hadn't given it a thought until then.  My answer was that if my little dog didn't meet me at the door, I wouldn't go in.  If you really want to know more about this, I would suggest that you read the book.  I haven't read the book or seen the movie and I have no intention of doing either.  Just as I have no intention of ever reading "In Cold Blood" or seeing the movie.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 21, 2010, 12:52:56 PM
I still don't know what the BTK business is.

Kinda hard to believe since it was all over the news, local and national.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 21, 2010, 12:52:56 PM
I  mentioned the armed guys at a tea party and then I'm accused of protecting the Black Panthers and thinking the tea parties are racist. (As far as I know there was no law to keep the BP from carrying those batons either.)

Maybe because you did by saying that, and I'm paraphrasing here, "they had every right to be there, they did nothing wrong."  Then you tried to equate what the BP did by comparing them to the Tea Parties.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 21, 2010, 12:52:56 PM
But you guys aren't going to want to hear that because it doesn't advance how you decided want to feel.  In general, people who make big decisions on little sound bites really don't know very much. At this point it's all woulda, shoulda, coulda anyway. 

Thats right, because we weren't there and wouldn't know anything about that. Right?  Little sound bites??...Try federal law. 

BTK victims

January 15, 1974: Four members of the Otero family
    Joseph Otero
    Julie Otero, Joseph's wife
    Joseph Otero II, son
    Josephine Otero, daughter

April 4, 1974: Kathryn Bright (he also shot Bright's brother, Kevin, twice in the head, but he survived)

March 17, 1977: Shirley Vian (her 3 children, age 8, 6, and 4 years, were home but were locked in a bathroom by Rader and survived)

December 8, 1977: Nancy Fox

April 27, 1985: Marine Hedge

September 16, 1986: Vicki Wegerle

January 19, 1991: Dolores Davis

BTK was president of his church group and had been a very active member for many years.

That's terrible.

BTK is a most repulsive slug who thought that he would never get his moment of fame. He ended up taunting the police who finally tracked him down. He couldn't wait to make his gruesome confession in court, victim by victim. When he first started operation in the 70s, everyone was scared to death. A disgusting being in a mans' clothing. Ugh!  :P

Sorry, I just don't remember it. I can see why people would have been so scared

The judge was wise in that he put a stop to any first person interviews, any book deals or any movie deals involving him. He just disappeared into the penal system. Too bad that he can't just be flushed like the sewage he is.

It would be interesting to have a discussion of BTK on the forum, but what category.  Maybe miscellaneous.

I'm confused, I thought Frank was from Oklahoma (Bartlesville) and Texas before that.     Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.

       


????????   Where does Frank, and where he lives, come into this   ???????

 

Yesterda, he said he was SE Kansas boy.  Don't even bother to start on me.

Quote from: greatguns on July 22, 2010, 06:27:03 AM
I'm confused, I thought Frank was from Oklahoma (Bartlesville) and Texas before that.     Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.

Sally I was born and raised in Howard Kansas and lived 30 years in Kansas, I left to work but came back regularly and I am back there almost weekly or more. I would move back there now except for Myrna's health.

Sally Girl -----I most certainly wasn't "starting in on you"...... I was just out in left field, trying to connect  your post to Frank's place of residence
 I didn't mean to jerk on your chain.

Okay Frank, so you haven't slipped back into Kansas without Irene telling me. lol

I don't see any need to discuss anyone like BTK unless there is something that could be learned from it.  He is one of the lowest of God's creations, if not the lowest.  He ranks somewhere far beneath a slug.  Excuse me while I go throw up.

Wilma, do not exclude the Carr brothers.  It makes me ill that we are still feeding that scum.

Right.