Still think we should "support" and "respect" this SOB?
Obama Issues Executive Order Mandating "Lifestyle Behavior Modification"
June 12, 2010 · 121 Comments
Nanny State Liberation Front
White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is fond of saying, "You don't ever want a crisis to go to waste; it's an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid." Well, the Obama Administration certainly has not let the British Petroleum (BP) Deepwater Horizon oil rig crisis go to waste, using it as a smokescreen to silently assault and further diminish American citizens' personal freedom.
While the nation has its eyes and ears focused on the blame game ping-pong match between President Obama and BP top brass, President Obama on Thursday, June 10, quietly announced a new Executive Order establishing the "National Prevention, Health Promotion, and Public Health Council."
Claiming the "authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America," President Obama has truly gone off the deep end this time in his most atrocious attempt to date to control every aspect of Americans' lives.
According to the Executive Order that details the President's "National Prevention and Health Promotion Strategy," the Council will be charged with carrying out " lifestyle behavior modification" among American citizens that do not exhibit "healthy behavior."
The President's desired lifestyle behavior modifications detailed in Sec. 6 (c) focus on:
smoking cessation;
proper nutrition;
appropriate exercise;
mental health;
behavioral health;
sedentary behavior (see Sec. 3 [c]);
substance-use disorder; and
domestic violence screenings.
Making matters even worse, if that is even possible at this point, President Obama will create an "Advisory Group" composed of experts hand-picked from the public health field and various other areas of expertise "outside the Federal Government."
Let's consider who the President has sought advice and mentoring from in the past:
-Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who the Anti-Defamation League calls a "Messenger of Intolerance," and
-Bill Ayers, leader of the 1960′s domestic terrorist group "Weatherman" that was "responsible for 30 bombings aimed at destroying the defense and security infrastructures of the U.S."
Now, President Obama is going to seek medical advisors who will be charged with modifying lifestyles and behaviors of those citizens he deems unhealthy? "Paging Dr. Kevorkian! You're wanted in the White House STAT by President Obama!"
Whether you are a child, a parent, a worker, or retired, the President's approximately 25-member "Advisory Group" will soon be present in every aspect of Americans' lives, as the Executive Order prescribes in Sec. 4 (b). Specifically, our new so-called lifestyle behavior modification advisors will be actively carrying out the President's orders in:
worksite health promotion;
community services, including community health centers;
preventive medicine;
health coaching;
public health education;
geriatrics; and
rehabilitation medicine.
President Obama's sweeping plan to enforce "lifestyle behavior modification" is chock full of open-ended target areas, especially when it comes to issues of "mental" and "behavioral" health, "proper nutrition," "sedentary behavior," and "appropriate exercise." The President's Executive Order is a blatant and forceful attempt to adjust the way Americans young and old think, behave, eat, drink and whatever else free will used to entitle our nation's citizens to enjoy as prescribed by the Founding Fathers.
If you are feeling stressed-out, sad, confused, hungry, thirsty, bored, or tired, do you honestly trust President Obama and his "Advisory Group" to act in your best interests?
;D ;D ;D I'm going to send him the addresses of all of you who still insist on smoking. ;D ;D ;D What bad habits are you defending? Some affect the general public. My own insurance company has all that is on that list available right now. "It's personal," you say. Yes, but you also know that some people don't have the sense God gave a goat and need more "adult supervision. Weight loss programs, stop smoking help, exercise recommendations, etc. Plus, my Doc has information and/or counseling available too. I have a nurse who calls about every three months or so to see how I'm handling my diabetes. It's a good program with lots of nutrition tips above and beyond what I have available elsewhere. My Gyn also specializes in domestic abuse cases. I think she has saved some lives.
I don't know what just what this "life style modification means either", but I'm not going to jump to ugly negative conclusions so quick. It may mean no more than more public information spots on TV.
I'd like someone to try to do something further about cellphones, texting and driving. Our "accident while texting" has just passed our "accident while intoxicated" numbers.
The comments about Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers have nothing to do with anything and is a cheap shot.( Some of you won't tolerate anyone commenting on Bush's errors in judgement because it's over and he's no longer president... Goose and Gander? ) Why would you think the White House advisers of today would put up with either of them? Not sure what the advisers are supposed to do. Perhaps be sure people have more information available? I have no idea what "support" and "respect" have to do with anything. Are you expecting uniformed health officers to show up at your door? Hey, if somebody offered me a tax credit if I lost weight!?...Hummm. I'll wait and see before I pass judgement.
You might think some people do not have good sense, but you should not
have the right to impose your "so-called good sense" upon other Americans
by or thru the Federal Governemnt. Yet you, Obama, and some other Democrats
and Republicans believe many of us need supervision by and thru the Fed's.
How did you become so smart anyway?
George Washington and other great Americans never considered such scheming and
elitism. They authored the Constitution to protect us from the Federal Government.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 14, 2010, 08:22:17 AM
I don't know what just what this "life style modification means either", but I'm not going to jump to ugly negative conclusions so quick. It may mean no more than more public information spots on TV.
I'd like someone to try to do something further about cellphones, texting and driving. Our "accident while texting" has just passed our "accident while intoxicated" numbers.
You, others, and the feds have no right to dictate what i do. Period. Try and force it on me, i'll fight back, and it won't be pretty. I am a freeman, and no one tells me what i can and can't do in my home or in my life.
No mental health professional or doctor can do lifestyle behavior modification. The simple logistics of lifestyle behavior modification for a huge population are imposible. Elk County has very few of these professionals and could never implement a program.
I agree that our nation needs to take better care of our health. However, this is something that MUST be done by the individual. It should be strictly between the person who needs help and a health care provider and perhaps a family memeber who helps with the individual's care. There is much information out there that is very dependable and most people (especially those who are overweight) can read and take on a program of their own. The first rule should be SELF CONTROL. People need to stop eating oversized helpings and products that certainly aren't good for them. People with heart problems are given proper diets to follow -- they should take the responsibility upon themselves to eat what is suggested for them, the same for diabetes, gout, or whatever else the individual has a problem with.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T NEED the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT dictating to us.
Myrna
Red and Steve ,frankly as long as your personal bad habits don't affect me, I don't care. When it comes to public health, yes, your life can be disrupted legally for the benefit of others. Ya start running red lights and breaking laws just because you don't like to be
inconvenienced, your rights aren't any more valuable than anyone else's. There are laws and for good reason. If everybody had good sense we wouldn't need laws! You start dumping chemicals in the local water source because it's easier for you than trucking it away, or the runoff from your place is affecting local or water etc..well what can I say.
Not everywhere is like where you live! Why be mad at me?
Twirldoggy, what do you think the Pres. means ? I sure don't know.
Myrna, I agree I just don't have enough information yet to know the specifics of what is being proposed to assume anything.
Sec 6 actually only provides for the council to report to the President and the respective committees in Congress on the areas of concern mentioned for contribution to healthy lifestyle... it does not specify some mysterious power to do anything and is no different than the working bodies of other president's INCLUDING Reagan who had several working on various mental disabilities.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 14, 2010, 10:35:01 AM
Red and Steve ,frankly as long as your personal bad habits don't affect me, I don't care. When it comes to public health, yes, your life can be disrupted legally for the benefit of others. Ya start running red lights and breaking laws just because you don't like to be
inconvenienced, your rights aren't any more valuable than anyone else's.
Good lord diane, you can make a leap into the absurd in 2 seconds flat. no one was talking about actions affecting others as you started using as references. First of all, NO ONE can tell me i can't do it. Cause i can and it is MY choice as to whether or not i wish to run red lights or break laws. The fact it is a law doesn't stop me from engaging in those activities.
QuoteThere are laws and for good reason. If everybody had good sense we wouldn't need laws! You start dumping chemicals in the local water source because it's easier for you than trucking it away, or the runoff from your place is affecting local or water etc..well what can I say.
Not everywhere is like where you live! Why be mad at me?
There are far too many laws and not for good reasons. What good does that law do on dumping chemicals and toxic stuff, when the GOVERNMENT does it?? You don't think the Govt doesn't break the law? Think again. Prime example would be the City of Atlanta. They dump raw sewage into the chattahoochie river because its cheaper for them to pay the fine than to build the treatment plants.
And i am quite sure that is happening in every major city. Not just atlanta.
Diane, I sure don't know what he means either. He seems to be using the term behavior modification in the general sense. But if he means it in the scientific definition of the term then it is silly. No plan for the behavior modification of the public would succeed and it is impossible to implement such a plan. One cannot force people to have better mental health or better physical health. Medical doctors, nurses and mental health professionals have ethical standards and approaches to practice that would not allow them to do so called behavior modification. Orwellian tactics are not the norm yet.
Thanks Twirl! I do know one girl who does hypnosis for stopping smoking etc. Maybe the Pres. will have us all hypnotized so we give up our bad habits? ;D
Steve, my point to you was that many people don't have good sense, that's why we have to have laws. Why would you ever consider deliberately breaking laws until you know why they were made? I agree many are really questionable, especially very old ones, but certainly not all.
Atlanta? That's one city government's stupidity, but that doesn't excuse anyone else, nor does it prove everyone else does it. Can you? Why should someone be able to dump the sewage from their travel trailer into your lake just because they aren't about to let someone tell them they can't? Here, in the ocean, sometimes the beaches have to be closed because the coliform bacteria levels get too high to go in the water. It's not your choice, a closed area is a closed area period. You may not like it, but you aren't going in. Same thing with high water road markers after storms. You know how many people put others at risk because they're stupid and stubborn and drive in anyway?? I know that's not what you meant, but it seems to keep the same company.
As Jerry said, there have been Presidential councils on many health issues for many administrations back. Remember the one on physical fitness in schools? This probably isn't anything new Why stir up trouble until we really know what it's about?
And Red you are being your usual predictable self, if you can't debate the issue, ridicule Diane. You know perfectly well that calling me anything but a moderate independent it a lie, but you keep restating the same lie over and over and over. Just because I don't always agree with you doesn't make me pro Gov't. I'm not against everything the Gov't, does but that doesn't mean you can put me in the "Always Pro Gov't" camp either. It means I dig more and get more information and don't jump on the first bandwagon that passes by. How did I get so smart? By trying, that's how! By learning how to observe, weigh information, read everybody, not just one group and by evaluating the pros and cons of issues. Do I ever make you think? I hope so. There is an awful lot of questionable information out there, much based on bad information, innuendo and twisted logic. You can easily get tripped up by bad information. Even some I have found have replaced a comma with a period and completely changed the meaning by leaving out the rest. Some other time I'll tell you the one I discovered about the early militias and who did and did not own their own weapons and why.
LOL Diane. I am certified in hypnosis. Maybe Obama will pay me to do it.
Well, there ya go! This might really work in your favor. ;)
A lot of people out there in Elk county have their health care subsidized by the government one way or another. In that regard, your bad habits do affect us all. I think if you all don't want the government to step into your lives, then you should stop taking the governments' money.
Quote from: Anmar on June 14, 2010, 07:57:42 PM
A lot of people out there in Elk county have their health care subsidized by the government one way or another. In that regard, your bad habits do affect us all. I think if you all don't want the government to step into your lives, then you should stop taking the governments' money.
that would depend on how much the check was you wrote to the IRS on april 15. IF you didn't write one then you didn't pay taxes.
Huh? How do you figure that? ???
Quote from: srkruzich on June 14, 2010, 08:18:55 PM
that would depend on how much the check was you wrote to the IRS on april 15. IF you didn't write one then you didn't pay taxes.
Then why is there a BIG chunk of money gone every payday for FEDERAL taxes that I don't get back?? Good God dude.........
Jerry, I would like to hear more about Reagan's plan for working on mental disabilities.
Steve, I didn't need to write a check on April 15, but that doesn't mean I didn't pay taxes....lots of taxes.
Quote from: pamagain on June 14, 2010, 10:12:29 PM
Then why is there a BIG chunk of money gone every payday for FEDERAL taxes that I don't get back?? Good God dude.........
You dont' get a refund at all? THen you pay taxes. But if you get any kind of refund check, then you don't pay taxes.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 14, 2010, 09:26:10 PM
Huh? How do you figure that? ???
Its simple, most people get a refund of money withheld. you have to make 40k a year before you start paying any income tax and not getting a refund. Look it up. If your smart, you can make 60k a year and never pay a dime in tax.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 15, 2010, 08:28:18 AM
Steve, I didn't need to write a check on April 15, but that doesn't mean I didn't pay taxes....lots of taxes.
well if you got a refund, you didn't pay taxes.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 15, 2010, 08:36:55 AM
You dont' get a refund at all? THen you pay taxes. But if you get any kind of refund check, then you don't pay taxes.
Not that it's any of YOUR business dude but I DID write a check............since you are bein so arrogant....did YOU pay any taxes this year?
People who GET refunds PAY taxes.....EVERY payday.......the government USES that money for at LEAST a year.......if they get some back I say BULLY for them! Better THEM than China or Iraq or Somalia or wherever else we are sendin aid this millenium.
THEY worked for that money which is something YOU all are always spoutin off about.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 15, 2010, 08:39:45 AM
well if you got a refund, you didn't pay taxes.
Actually NO... try some accounting or remedial math.... if you pay in all year long and get a refund for a portion of the taxes because you overpaid then you STILL PAID.
Quote from: pamagain on June 15, 2010, 08:47:36 AM
Not that it's any of YOUR business dude but I DID write a check............since you are bein so arrogant....did YOU pay any taxes this year?
People who GET refunds PAY taxes.....EVERY payday.......the government USES that money for at LEAST a year.......if they get some back I say BULLY for them! Better THEM than China or Iraq or Somalia or wherever else we are sendin aid this millenium.
THEY worked for that money which is something YOU all are always spoutin off about.
No they don't pay taxes. They loan their money for free to the government. Not very bright either since people are brainwashed into letting the government use their money for free.
Quote from: jerry wagner on June 15, 2010, 09:58:59 AM
Actually NO... try some accounting or remedial math.... if you pay in all year long and get a refund for a portion of the taxes because you overpaid then you STILL PAID.
Your math skills suck. IF you get your money back you haven't paid your taxes. Please use your math skills and accounting skills to prove you paid taxes if you got a refund.
its simple, total up your "witholding", subtract it from your tax refund and IF you get a number greater than the witholding, then you paid not tax. You in fact have sucked tax out of other peoples pockets.
so Steve...........you pay taxes or do you suck it out of other peoples pockets? hmm?
I don't really care.........I just dislike your attitude and from what I've read the last couple years here and there smacks of hypocrisy.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 15, 2010, 10:15:07 AM
Your math skills suck. IF you get your money back you haven't paid your taxes. Please use your math skills and accounting skills to prove you paid taxes if you got a refund.
its simple, total up your "witholding", subtract it from your tax refund and IF you get a number greater than the witholding, then you paid not tax. You in fact have sucked tax out of other peoples pockets.
Shut the **** for a second and listen.... I was stating that if you receive a refund you did not necessarily NOT pay taxes... obviously (to anybody) if your refund is larger than your withholding then you didn't pay taxes however your blanket statement stated that anybody receiving a refund on April 15th didn't pay taxes which is FACTUALLY inaccurate..... my math skills do not suck.... your blanket statement was bullshit.
Uh, Steve, I don't have "withholding." I file 1040 ES. quarterly. I have to try to guess how much I"ll have coming in between pensions investment interest, SS and new income. I try to make it so I'm not loaning the Gov't anymore than I have to, but don't underpay either so I don't pay a penalty. This year I didn't quite make as much as last year but I had paid the same ES so I got a small refund from the Fed and owed a bit to Delaware. I most certainly did pay taxes! Gimme my vote! What has all this got to do with Lifestyle Behavior anyway!?
If you are trying to say that if you got back a refund equal to everything you paid in, you didn't pay any taxes ,then you aren't making yourself clear.
Quote from: jerry wagner on June 15, 2010, 11:45:04 AM
Shut the **** for a second and listen.... I was stating that if you receive a refund you did not necessarily NOT pay taxes... obviously (to anybody) if your refund is larger than your withholding then you didn't pay taxes however your blanket statement stated that anybody receiving a refund on April 15th didn't pay taxes which is FACTUALLY inaccurate..... my math skills do not suck.... your blanket statement was bullshit.
Again Jerry how do people pay tax when they recieve a refund??? You can't. LOL The simple fact is that if you make around 38k, you get maybe just maybe 1500 witheld. And you get it all back at the end of the year. around 45k, you start paying tax then. IF you happen to be one of those who collect the welfare check every year from the irs for your kids, then You suck more tax dollars out of other peoples pockets. I think they call it EIC payments or something like that.
So basically no one that makes less than 40k pays any tax.
Now if your smart you can not pay any tax, on incomes up to 60 -70k a year. But you have to know what your doing.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 15, 2010, 12:51:12 PM
Uh, Steve, I don't have "withholding." I file 1040 ES. quarterly. I have to try to guess how much I"ll have coming in between pensions investment interest, SS and new income. I try to make it so I'm not loaning the Gov't anymore than I have to, but don't underpay either so I don't pay a penalty. This year I didn't quite make as much as last year but I had paid the same ES so I got a small refund from the Fed and owed a bit to Delaware. I most certainly did pay taxes! Gimme my vote! What has all this got to do with Lifestyle Behavior anyway!?
If you are trying to say that if you got back a refund equal to everything you paid in, you didn't pay any taxes ,then you aren't making yourself clear.
Well you know that is not the norm for people. Secondly, lets say you did get a refund but ended up not getting all the witholing back. Still there isn't enough tax paid there to warrant a vote. Remember i said everyone gets a vote. Then for every 5,000 in taxes paid, you get another vote. Now there is no way one can pay 5,000 in income tax, on 40k Its just no going to happen. The income bracket is too low for that. 15% if i remember right. So 15% of the adjusted gross income which 40k would be adjusted down based on number of deductions, there is no way possible to pay 5000 in tax. you don't start paying that kind of money til you make around 70k a year, as it jumps to 20%. When you hit 100k a year it jumps to 35% and over 250k they nail you at the rate of 39% fed tax. Realistically 100k-250k is paying somewhere in the neighborhood of 55% fed tax when they hit you with the AMT tax.
Any rate, 50% of this country doesn't pay tax. 44% of half the country pays 50% tax, and 6% of the country pays over 50% of the tax.
Quote from: pamagain on June 15, 2010, 10:53:55 AM
so Steve...........you pay taxes or do you suck it out of other peoples pockets? hmm?
I don't really care.........I just dislike your attitude and from what I've read the last couple years here and there smacks of hypocrisy.
I sure do. 33%. and i don't get a refund either.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 15, 2010, 12:51:12 PM
What has all this got to do with Lifestyle Behavior anyway!?
Because anmar smarted off and said he had the right to dictate what i do or don't do because he's a taxpayer. Even if he or anyone else paid taxes, they have no right to dictate squat to me. I will do as i please and most americans will do as they please.
You know places are slapping a sugar tax on people. I don't pay a sugar tax. Won't pay one either. They can kiss my butt on that one. I still eat sweets.
I have a very strange picture in my mind right now ;D ;D ;D Frankly, the sugar tax thing has fallen off my radar. What is going on with that? Last I heard it was for sugar sweetened sodas. Is it for other stuff too? Like bags of sugar? Besides ,you have honey, what do you need "sweets" for?
Quote from: srkruzich on June 15, 2010, 01:35:01 PM
Because anmar smarted off and said he had the right to dictate what i do or don't do because he's a taxpayer. Even if he or anyone else paid taxes, they have no right to dictate squat to me. I will do as i please and most americans will do as they please.
You know places are slapping a sugar tax on people. I don't pay a sugar tax. Won't pay one either. They can kiss my butt on that one. I still eat sweets.
Thats not what i said, but i can't blame you after reading your response to jerry's post. Its evident that you don't read well.
Another thought: who will do lifestyle behavior modification on the behavior modifiers ? ;D
Whoever taught the course in the first place? Ha!...good question!!! Ya better be perfect. ;)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 15, 2010, 03:27:29 PM
I have a very strange picture in my mind right now ;D ;D ;D Frankly, the sugar tax thing has fallen off my radar. What is going on with that? Last I heard it was for sugar sweetened sodas. Is it for other stuff too? Like bags of sugar? Besides ,you have honey, what do you need "sweets" for?
THey are taxing sugar, and sugar substitutes. The reasoning is that sugar is bad for us, but come on now, sugar substitutes don't make one overweight. The real reason is they found a new way to suck money out of peoples pockets.
Quote from: twirldoggy on June 16, 2010, 07:21:43 AM
Another thought: who will do lifestyle behavior modification on the behavior modifiers ? ;D
LOL really, whoever is in charge had better be 4% body fat, and nothing but lean muscle.
This sugar tax thing must be very inconsistent, I just read that sugar substitutes in zero or one calorie carbonated diet drinks won't be taxed. It was only talking about drinks, no other "foods." Not sure where that leaves crystal light and some of those.