Elk County Forum

We believe in Elk County. We believe in raising our families in small communities with little crime and good schools. We believe in our friends and neighbors. We believe that the ones that will make a difference in this county are the ones that truly love living here, NOT the ones that think Elk County owes them something!

We have heard several of the oldtimers calling the newcomers to our county "OUTSIDERS". Those "outsiders" work and pay taxes. Those "outsiders" VOTE! Those "outsiders" want a good life for themselves and their families. Those "outsiders" came to Elk County for the same reason we live here and for the same reason that OUR ancestors were "OUTSIDERS" so many decades ago.

There is a hypocrisy among people in this county that cannot be overlooked. The same people who call newcomers OUTSIDERS will welcome (with open arms) someone who hasn't lived in the county for 25 years yet still believe that someone is an outsider because they weren't born or raised here. Think about it: just how many years did it take YOUR family to not be an OUTSIDER when they moved here?

Voting is not a pageant. You shouldn't vote for a person because you knew their mother; their grandfather. You shouldn't vote for a person because "Oh, I knew them in high school" or "He/She was cute and waved at me once." Look at the ISSUES and concern your thoughts there! Look at who they surround themselves with and what influence those "friends" may have on their decisions and voting. Look at how "konnected" they are. Look at what someones' morals tell you about what they will do to your county.

When you CARE about your county/community, your actions speak for themselves. You don't have to pound your chest and pat your back about all that you volunteer for and do. Rural firefighters put their lives on the line to save houses, property and LIVES. They don't get paid for it. Most don't even get thanks for it. I believe that putting your life on the line for your neighbors trumps just about any other "volunteering" one can do.

We have enjoyed the property tax breaks that have been provided to us by Doug Ritz, Gary Hebb and Kenny Liebau over the past couple of years. The road improvements over the last few years have made traveling in the county much easier. Speaking of road improvements, Doug Ritz wanted all of his Districts' roads done before the road at his house so it wouldn't appear that he was getting special treatment. We all know that the previous District 2 Commissioner didn't feel the same as Mr. Ritz about not getting special treatment! It's no wonder that District 2 has a new Commissioner!

What good businesses would want to come to the smallest county with the highest taxes? Not every business in the county is given 40+ years of tax breaks and they shouldn't be! And I don't want to hear that they are one of the largest employers in the county either! If Wal-Mart was to move here to Elk County, THEY would be THE largest employer in the county and they would STILL have to PAY taxes! Is it because Wal-Mart wouldn't be Konnected?

It overwhelms me that people will vote because of some good buddy system rather than vote for what is right for their families, friends and neighbors. The lower taxes are all that keep some people living in their homes here. The cost of living on everything else is so high that when the tax breaks are done away with, most families won't be able to buy food, pay utilities, drive to work, etc. They will be forced to choose: do we live here and raise our kids in a decent school with no gangs, no drugs to speak of and very little crime? or do we move closer to work, where the property taxes are lower than here and the overall cost of living is lower, but we can't raise our children the way we want to?

In conclusion (for now): the people of District 1 should be more concerned about the changes that will come in November. Write-In Doug Ritz, District 1 County Commissioner. Do not give in to the socialistic agenda of Elk Konnected! FIGHT FOR WHAT'S RIGHT!

Thank you!  ;)

Well said, Gadsden 1775.  As a district 2 resident, I am extremely proud to say that I played a role in overthrowing a phony, tyrannical, corrupt commissioner! It saddens me to think that we might return to the money grabbing ways of a certain organization in this county with its' own scheming political agenda. I pray that you folks in district 1 will be able to pull this off. Please write-in Mr. Ritz! God bless you all!

Kent

Thank you Gadsden1775 for saying what needed to be said. 

Write in for Doug Ritz on Nov 4th.

I voted for Shari because she is an old family friend. I had read the post about the candidate forum at the fair, but did not believe it until earlier today. I was having coffee with my grandmother and her friend and they were talking about some comments made at the fair. I heard all about how rude Shari was and that she would not answer questions that people had of her and kept pointing to Mr. Ritz to answer questions. Grandmothers' friend said that Mr. Ritz had his good record to run on whereas Shari was the newcomer and should have been more forthcoming and answered the questions. Grandmothers' friend also said that Shari didn't seem to have any new ideas than what has been tried in the past and no real solutions to any problems this county faces. Therefore, Grandmother and I realized our mistakes and we will both be writing in Doug Ritz in November! Good luck Mr. Ritz! We need you!

I believe in Elk County too and I sure as hell don't want to see it go back to the same do-nothing, two-faced, behind the scenes, puppet master known as Elk Konnected. They are only in it to write more grants, steal more taxpayer dollars and put it on phony baloney businesses like, oh I don't know, a fitness center! Yeah, that was sure as hell what the community needed. And then I have seen some of the Kaminska supporters and they are known Elk Konnected cheerleaders. The only reason it would piss them off by my saying this is because they are being outed. They were the same people seen at the Public Square meetings. Oh yes, Public Square and Elk Konnected are tied. I guess recently, Fredonia's Chamber of Commerce decided not to give anymore money to Elk Konnected, excuse me, Cultivate Fredonia. I am glad that Fredonia has enough sense to see through the bullshit of Public Square, Elk Konnected and Cultivate Fredonia. And I for one will sure as hell write-in Doug Ritz to be my county commissioner and I will ask everyone else to do so!--Robert Walker Jr.

P.S. Don't forget camcorders and microphones work well in the public and in the courthouse! Keep them honest!

Quote from: Gadsden1775 on August 08, 2014, 03:41:33 PM
We believe in Elk County. We believe in raising our families in small communities with little crime and good schools. We believe in our friends and neighbors. We believe that the ones that will make a difference in this county are the ones that truly love living here, NOT the ones that think Elk County owes them something!

We have heard several of the oldtimers calling the newcomers to our county "OUTSIDERS". Those "outsiders" work and pay taxes. Those "outsiders" VOTE! Those "outsiders" want a good life for themselves and their families. Those "outsiders" came to Elk County for the same reason we live here and for the same reason that OUR ancestors were "OUTSIDERS" so many decades ago.

There is a hypocrisy among people in this county that cannot be overlooked. The same people who call newcomers OUTSIDERS will welcome (with open arms) someone who hasn't lived in the county for 25 years yet still believe that someone is an outsider because they weren't born or raised here. Think about it: just how many years did it take YOUR family to not be an OUTSIDER when they moved here?

Voting is not a pageant. You shouldn't vote for a person because you knew their mother; their grandfather. You shouldn't vote for a person because "Oh, I knew them in high school" or "He/She was cute and waved at me once." Look at the ISSUES and concern your thoughts there! Look at who they surround themselves with and what influence those "friends" may have on their decisions and voting. Look at how "konnected" they are. Look at what someones' morals tell you about what they will do to your county.

When you CARE about your county/community, your actions speak for themselves. You don't have to pound your chest and pat your back about all that you volunteer for and do. Rural firefighters put their lives on the line to save houses, property and LIVES. They don't get paid for it. Most don't even get thanks for it. I believe that putting your life on the line for your neighbors trumps just about any other "volunteering" one can do.

We have enjoyed the property tax breaks that have been provided to us by Doug Ritz, Gary Hebb and Kenny Liebau over the past couple of years. The road improvements over the last few years have made traveling in the county much easier. Speaking of road improvements, Doug Ritz wanted all of his Districts' roads done before the road at his house so it wouldn't appear that he was getting special treatment. We all know that the previous District 2 Commissioner didn't feel the same as Mr. Ritz about not getting special treatment! It's no wonder that District 2 has a new Commissioner!

What good businesses would want to come to the smallest county with the highest taxes? Not every business in the county is given 40+ years of tax breaks and they shouldn't be! And I don't want to hear that they are one of the largest employers in the county either! If Wal-Mart was to move here to Elk County, THEY would be THE largest employer in the county and they would STILL have to PAY taxes! Is it because Wal-Mart wouldn't be Konnected?

It overwhelms me that people will vote because of some good buddy system rather than vote for what is right for their families, friends and neighbors. The lower taxes are all that keep some people living in their homes here. The cost of living on everything else is so high that when the tax breaks are done away with, most families won't be able to buy food, pay utilities, drive to work, etc. They will be forced to choose: do we live here and raise our kids in a decent school with no gangs, no drugs to speak of and very little crime? or do we move closer to work, where the property taxes are lower than here and the overall cost of living is lower, but we can't raise our children the way we want to?

In conclusion (for now): the people of District 1 should be more concerned about the changes that will come in November. Write-In Doug Ritz, District 1 County Commissioner. Do not give in to the socialistic agenda of Elk Konnected! FIGHT FOR WHAT'S RIGHT!

Great post, I sure wish I had your finesse.

Quote from: The Raven on August 08, 2014, 07:18:15 PM
I voted for Shari because she is an old family friend. I had read the post about the candidate forum at the fair, but did not believe it until earlier today. I was having coffee with my grandmother and her friend and they were talking about some comments made at the fair. I heard all about how rude Shari was and that she would not answer questions that people had of her and kept pointing to Mr. Ritz to answer questions. Grandmothers' friend said that Mr. Ritz had his good record to run on whereas Shari was the newcomer and should have been more forthcoming and answered the questions. Grandmothers' friend also said that Shari didn't seem to have any new ideas than what has been tried in the past and no real solutions to any problems this county faces. Therefore, Grandmother and I realized our mistakes and we will both be writing in Doug Ritz in November! Good luck Mr. Ritz! We need you!

I am so proud of people like you living in Elk County. Elk County is a great place to live and I sure hope people keep it that way.

Quote from: kshillbillys on August 08, 2014, 07:31:04 PM

P.S. Don't forget camcorders and microphones work well in the public and in the courthouse! Keep them honest!

WRITE-IN DOUG RITZ NOVEMBER 4TH!!

Right on! Record, record, record.

Quote from: The Raven on August 08, 2014, 07:18:15 PM
I voted for Shari because she is an old family friend. I had read the post about the candidate forum at the fair, but did not believe it until earlier today. I was having coffee with my grandmother and her friend and they were talking about some comments made at the fair...

Finally, a 'revitalization plan' that makes sense!

If voters would take the time to inform themselves, the whole country might be better off.  I've watched the county commission up close for over 3 years.  Since Mr. Hebb (a fiscal conservative, it seems) was elected, he and Mr. Ritz have managed to accomplish a few things of significant import....

1.  The county property tax mill levy has been reduced from 124+ (the highest rate in Kansas) to just over 103 mills...  a REDUCTION of almost 17%.  All while surrounding counties are burdening their residents with higher taxes.
2.  A reduction in long term county debt from over $800,000 to just over $200,000.
3.  The procurement of hundreds of thousands of dollars in FEMA road money.
4.  Substantial cost controls.
5.  A much needed and PAID FOR handicap parking area on the west side of the courthouse (near the elevator).
6.  An almost complete stop to the expenditure of taxpayer funds to support the private programs run by community organizers... who have, by the way created only two (2) FAILED businesses in the county.
7.  Completion of substantial road improvements and bridge repairs that contribute greatly to the safety of those traveling county roads.
8.  The reallocation of liquor tax receipts out of the hands of county 'officials' and into the control of city governments for the explicit (required by state law) purpose of creating and supporting recreational activities/programs/facilities (mostly for the youth).  These funds are distributed quarterly and will amount to significant amounts over time.
9.  The elimination of county tax dollars used to perform accounting & disbursal of payments to a private trash service for residents inside city limits only (a function of city government).
10.  The reversal of a Revitalization Plan that declared the ENTIRE county as blighted (even lands with really nice facilities already in place) resulting in substantial property tax breaks for substantial new construction. Can you say 'tax breaks for the wealthy'?  And did you know that a 'special' few of those who were to benefit were allowed to apply for the program BEFORE it was initially enacted in violation of state law.  Level playing field, my foot.
11.  A common sense (and less expensive) correction of deficiencies in water supplies to the courthouse.
12.  Changes in internal courthouse operations/processes that have resulted in a higher moral among many county employees an thus likely better customer service.
13.  Honest reviews of employee performance that forces substantial under-performers to be more accountable.
14.  A reduction of 'executive sessions' held by the county commission (many of which we regarding matters that were required by state law to be open to the public.  This achieves a more transparent government, and greater accountability to the voters and taxpayers.  Unlike Mr Ritz' 'opposition' who as a private citizen actually asked for a secret executive session during the public forum of a recent commission meeting... in absolute violation of the Kansas Open Meetings Act.  And THIS is a would be commissioner??? Talk about thinking one is 'privileged!
15.  Repeated solicitation of and action on valid legal advice from the County Counselor resulting in sound decision making. As opposed to previous commissions who 'did things blindly' and wasted time & money fixing it later.
16.  Controlled use of the wind farm PILOT proceeds.  Taking time to develop planned use of those funds as opposed to filling the whimsical desires of a few for special interests or to solve the poor management problems of a few city government officials.  It's noteworthy to observe that only PART of the PILOT funds have been used to obtain the tax rate reductions that are being seen.

All this in just three years.  A darned good start to reversing the negative trends caused by years of poor or ineffective management by former spendthrift or special interest driven commissions.

And, after hearing & seeing first hand, Ms Canon/Kominska's non-specific return to the failed policies of faux 'economic development', wasteful spending of taxpayer monies and uninformed position of lawful county operations, I, too, will be lending my support to a write-in vote for Mr. Douglas C. Ritz for District 1 County Commissioner seat on November 4th.

I hope many other District 1 voters will get the real facts, provable on paper, and will do the same.  This isn't a popularity contest for the high school prom!  This is for your future and that of your children and grandchildren.  Please get your facts straight and VOTE for your future... not a return to past failings.

Elk County is a great place and has been improving in the last three years.  Perhaps more slowly than we might like, but moving forward is far better than going into reverse!  As Grandpa used to say, "Rome wasn't built in a day."

I would like to see Elk County continue its recent turn around and become an example to our Kansas neighbors.  I believe that a solid write-in vote for Doug Ritz for District 1 County Commissioner is a solid step in that direction.

Out of the Ashes

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THIS??


KAKE NEWS CHANNEL 10 WICHITA

Elk County Residents Receiving Property Tax Relief Through Wind Farm

By: Chris Frank
Wednesday, February 6, 2013

A Kansas wind farm will provide a tax break to residents of Elk County.

The Caney River Wind Farm will offset more than $400,000 in property taxes in 2014. Elk County has the highest property taxes of all of Kansas 105 counties.

Though the wind farm is exempt from state property taxes, it still pays the county for being there, to the tune of $917,000 this year.

Elk County Commission Chairman Doug Ritz says the county will use $420,000 to lower property taxes for the county's 2,900 residents next year. It will mean a savings of 17%.

Quote from: kshillbillys on August 08, 2014, 07:31:04 PM
And then I have seen some of the Kaminska supporters and they are known Elk Konnected cheerleaders. The only reason it would piss them off by my saying this is because they are being outed.

Ask yourselves why are they hiding?
Ask yourselves why none will admit to being Followers?
Yes, that is the label given to them, Followers!
I prefer Sheeple to the term Followers, basically the names are interchangeable.

Ms. Kaminska brought up the West Elk School Business about taxing the hell out of us for a new gymnasium.
So, I feel I must repeat myself.

I have watched first hand at many meeting the Konnected School Board Members at West Elk and they totally lack couth. decorum, or decency. There has been only one School Board Member exhibit any of those qualities and I am refering to Mr. Bellar.

No, I am not a personal friend of any of them.

I don't believe any of them actually know what their job is as a School Board Member.
A clue, it's education --- not unnecessary construction. That is why it is known by the state as the School Board of Education.

The job entails overseeing the school education standards and requiring the School Superintendent to perform certain tasks to accomplish the School Boards requirements. Such as performing teacher and staff evaluations as frequently as required by the Board Members.

These are School Board of Education meetings, not a School Superintendent Meetings to be dominated by the School Superintendent.

This School Board does not appear to recognize that the School Superintendent is responsible to them instead of the other way around. This is part of the reason the School Superintendent sits at the head of the Board, the other part is the inability to understand protocol and their own responsibility.

And we call these people leaders of our community?

I have yet, to hear a proper conversation amongst the school board members with any intelligible input on education.

Do you have any idea where the West Elk School Board of Education stands on Common Core?

Do they know where they stand?

Leadership, Where?

Hiding behind ignorance and the inability to have a meaningful dialog at the meetings.

Just my opinion.

Gads1775 could you enlighten me on who hasn't paid taxes in 40 years?

Upoladeb: I'm assuming this is the statement causing your question: "Not every business in the county is given 40+ years of tax breaks and they shouldn't be!" I didn't state that the business hadn't paid taxes at all in 40+ years. Tax BREAKS.

There's a hunting lodge, by membership only, on Quail road that has been given 40+ years of property tax breaks. And now, just in the past couple of years, is this county starting to see some of that property tax money being PAID. IMO, that's long overdue. I'm guessing that their taxes would run somewhere around $40,000/year. Do the math for forty years.

I have also received information that there was a private residence on Limestone road between roads 9 and 10 that was designated as a church because the owner was a pastor. This made that property exempt from paying taxes for several years. Details would be available through the County Appraiser, Clerk and Treasurer.

What are your thoughts on special treatment?

I had ass u med that is who it was.i wasn't sure if it was some of the quarries.i don't think anyone should get a free ride.

To the District 1 County Commissioner Elect...how many meetings have you attended since you were elected?  Do you just sign your name to the register so your name can be put in the paper like you were there? I mean, you did attend the meeting for Longton City Council for September, but you just signed your name on the register at the courthouse and left before the commission meeting started. That reminds me of hearing that Barack Hussein Obama used to only vote present in the Senate before he got in the White House and everybody knows what kind of disaster it has been since he took up residence there! And we will expect the same from you. That is why I will write in Douglas C. Ritz for County Commissioner, a man who helped set this county on the right track. We don't need to return to the broken policies that we once had under previous commissioners.--Robert L. Walker

Sorry I can't help I live i District 3.

But wait a minute didn't she say she was going to bring 4 (four) industries to Longton?
How can anyone beat that kind of promise?

Even though I think she is Konnected to Elk Konnected and if she gets seated that would give control of Elk County back to Elk Konnected.

Wouldn't it be worth getting 4 (four) industries and a new full time position of a Konnected Elk County Economic Development Employee ? After all after a salary of $40,000 (+) and all the expenses of medical coverage and paying social security taxes that might only cost the taxpayers around $50,000. Not to terribly bad ! Even though the previous Economic Development Employees accomplished nothig for improving the economy.

But hey, it's ony money, right?

I would like to know what 4 industries she is planning on bringing to Longton, KS. I remember her saying that but she never did enlighten anyone on what those industries were. Also, shouldn't someone wanting to be our voice for the county give us their complete resume? You know, places worked, years worked, reasons for dismissal/quitting, why a company wouldn't want you to relocate and keep working there after years of service, etc. There are so many questions that went unanswered; plenty of attitude (at least by her other half) but no real answers.

Quote from: kshillbillys on October 02, 2014, 05:39:52 PM
I would like to know what 4 industries she is planning on bringing to Longton, KS. I remember her saying that but she never did enlighten anyone on what those industries were.

Possibilities include:

1.  Blacksmith's shop
2.  Farrier service
3.  Haberdashery
4.  Saloon w/Hotel
5.  Ice house
6.  Wheelwright service

All are forward looking opportunities in a growing economy utilizing needed local skills.

Or maybe she's bidding to get an Amazon Distribution Center.. Oh, wait... they just turned down a 10 million dollar 'incentive' to retain their Coffeyville center so they can relocate to Texas.

The problem is, when you ask.. she dodges like a true politician.  But seniors do love the regular, pre-election visits.  You've heard of Windows 7.0 & 8.0, well welcome to Liz 2.0. Good luck, District 1.

That sounded a whole lot to me like Obama's broken promises.

Could that be filed under hope and change, coming from someone that abandoned Elk County for 25 years and has returned to be it savior?

Just asking.

Kent

Quote from: the shadow on October 05, 2014, 08:48:17 PM

I heard down at the coffee shop that a member of the public (who became commissioner elect recently) had gone into a commission meeting and tried to call an executive session with the board. She knows absolutely nothing about the goings on of a commission meeting! Doesn't understand the rules apparently! A member of the public can't just waltz in there and want to discuss personal information about elected or non elected personnel. But it is also my belief that she will be a pupil and puppet for a former county commissionerette from a different district. District 1, are you sure she has your best interests in mind? People of Elk County, if we can't all come together to help with this election, hang onto your wallets! If we are supposed to be looking forward to the future, why do some people want to take us back into the past?

Kent

Excellent post Shadow.

It's the Republicans who have pushed their socialist agenda upon Americans for the past 150 years.  Looks like Commissioner Ritz got in the way of the progressives and so the Republicans simply did what comes natural to them and voted for one of their own kind.

Republicans have never been conservative and they never will be. 

If I lived in Ritz' district, I'd certainly vote for Ritz.

I don't honk very many people are going to any attention to what you, Ross or hillbilly say . What have any of you 3 do e to help or benefit Elk County. If you have heard of the 3 Stooges, well you are the 3 idiots.

Good one. First time I have ever laughed on this site.

Quote from: Joesue23 on October 06, 2014, 08:49:50 AM
I don't honk very many people are going to any attention to what you, Ross or hillbilly say . What have any of you 3 do e to help or benefit Elk County. If you have heard of the 3 Stooges, well you are the 3 idiots.

Well, unlike others on this forum, I don't feel the need to brag and toot my own horn about what I have done to help or benefit this county or anyone in it. Also, MY record isn't what we are discussing here as I'm not up for re-election or election of any kind. I don't believe name calling is beneficial in a discussion either. We are discussing, however, a fine man who has helped this county over the last few years by being District 1's County Commissioner. A man who won't toot his own horn either but has done more good in the past 4 years than had been done in the 10 (at least) before him. Facts are facts and apparently people don't like it.

Thank you Gadsden for starting this thread. Good post Shadow. Also, could people please try to keep this civil? Leave the name calling and sand kicking on the playground.---Jennifer Walker

Since I have never seen your name before, Joesue23, I looked at your previous posts. I found this one very interesting:
Politics / Re: Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25
« on: August 24, 2014, 01:14:38 pm »
If you listen to Ross blow, everyone that doesn't agree with him is part of Elk Konnected. I happen to know that Shari Kaminski has never had anything to do with Elk Konnected. All my family and friends in Elk County intend to vote for Shari. She is super sharp and her family are Ranchers and landowners in Elk County. Doug is not a landowner and what he farms is land owned by Shari's Aunt. Think about it what has Ross done for Elk County, NOTHING.
For an old man, I know how to use facebook and so I went on there. I did a search for Elk Konnected and lo and behold found that Shari Kaminska is friends with Elk Konnected. So, therefore your comment that "I happen to know that Shari Kaminski has never had anything to do with Elk Konnected" is a lie. Please make sure you can truthfully back everything that you say before you try to make everyone think we are stupid. Also, just in case anyone tries to remove that from facebook, I took pictures of it. Can't be too careful these days.
Let me add to this: I forgot to say that I went through all of Elk Konnected's facebook friends and found quite a few of their forum cheerleaders on there as well, even ones from faraway states.

What evil?
The Shadow Knows

Kent

Quote from: the shadow on October 06, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Since I have never seen your name before, Joesue23, I looked at your previous posts. I found this one very interesting:
Politics / Re: Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25
« on: August 24, 2014, 01:14:38 pm »
If you listen to Ross blow, everyone that doesn't agree with him is part of Elk Konnected. I happen to know that Shari Kaminski has never had anything to do with Elk Konnected. All my family and friends in Elk County intend to vote for Shari. She is super sharp and her family are Ranchers and landowners in Elk County. Doug is not a landowner and what he farms is land owned by Shari's Aunt. Think about it what has Ross done for Elk County, NOTHING.

I didn't know that you had to own land to be a County Commissioner??? Lots of people use other peoples lands to be in business.  I am sure Mr and Mrs Kaminska rent land as well. 

Quote from: Joesue23 on October 06, 2014, 08:49:50 AM
I don't honk very many people are going to any attention to what you, Ross or hillbilly say . What have any of you 3 do e to help or benefit Elk County. If you have heard of the 3 Stooges, well you are the 3 idiots.

Yep, this is definitely an Elk Konnected follower. But what I want to know is: where's the spelling cop, the grammar police? Ya'll would be all over my ass if I typed something like this. LOL---Robert

P.S. What have YOU done to help or benefit Elk County living in Caney, KS?

Quote from: Joesue23 on October 06, 2014, 08:49:50 AM
I don't honk very many people are going to any attention to what you, Ross or hillbilly say . What have any of you 3 do e to help or benefit Elk County. If you have heard of the 3 Stooges, well you are the 3 idiots.

If you go back and re-read Joesue of  Caney, Ks you will find where I answered your question?

But you never answered mine.
What kind of a name is JoeSue"
Is that transexual?
Or is it transvite?
Really what does that represent?
I wish you would answer, so I am not confused. Thank in advance.

Since you asked me what I have done for Elk County and I answered, it is only fair that you respond in kind. I ask you Joesue of Caney, Kansas what is it that your aunt has done for Elk County? 

Just in case you don't answer, she abandoned Elk County for 25 years or more didn't she?

Perhaps Kaminski Kan hold a Konnected Kounty Konversation with the help of Elk Konnected ?

Quote from: Joesue23 on October 06, 2014, 08:49:50 AM
I don't honk very many people are going to any attention to what you, Ross or hillbilly say . What have any of you 3 do e to help or benefit Elk County. If you have heard of the 3 Stooges, well you are the 3 idiots.

Well there you are poor child --- calling me an idiot again  --- what a terrific education you must possess ---
Would that be a 7th or 8th grade education? I feel complimented because that would surely put many, many levels above you. Would you care to elaborate on the title of your present level based on this standard? LOL

Perhaps that is exactly why people will consider the information provided to them and make their own decisions. Instead of listening to the little niece who  provides nothing tangible. 

Keep up the good work little Joesue.



I do believe the folks are capable of thinking for themselves.

But apparently you don't.

Government schools have been educating/indoctrinating them for years to be like Joesue.

His kind never thinks in terms of American liberty, they're takers and they use government to get what they can.

Does Elk County want two (2) commissioners thinking like Joesue?

Ross why is it you ask Joesue about the name but not red, patriot,kshillbilly or the many others?

Quote from: redcliffsw on October 07, 2014, 04:32:14 AM
Government schools have been educating/indoctrinating them for years to be like Joesue.

His kind never thinks in terms of American liberty, they're takers and they use government to get what they can.

Does Elk County want two (2) commissioners thinking like Joesue?

Why would anyone care what you think, you are totally unamerican, given the negative comments you have made about the American Flag, which is a symbol of this great Nation. It is used to honor all of the Men And Women that have given their lives to protect freedom around the world.

Quote from: Nancy on October 07, 2014, 07:21:47 AM
Ross why is it you ask Joesue about the name but not red, patriot,kshillbilly or the many others?

Namcy why is it "THE" name instead of his/hers or it's name?
That is jst plain weird ? Increasing the weirdness of the name even further !

There is a Simple answer for anyone with a high school eduction or lower.
These other folks have names that are self explanatory.
Why does it bother you that I ask?

A male and a female combined as one is really different and raised the question in my mind, what message she/he or it is trying to convey?

Why do you ask?
The answer is really very simple, why I asked, isn't it?
Am I touching a cord or something by asking and politely asking at that?
Is it a shameful question?
Is Joesue of Caney, Kansas ashamed to answer?
What's the problem?

Don't you have even a smidgen of curiosity to what message he/she or it is trying to convey?
The name begs to be questioned!

I suppose in the liberal progressive mindset it is okay for you people to question conservatives, but not the other way around, right ?

Perhaps that is why Joesue of Caney, Kansas      auntie       Kaminiski      didn't appreciate questions at the Longton Free Fair Political Forum?

Quote from: frawin on October 07, 2014, 08:20:24 AM
Why would anyone care what you think, you are totally unamerican, given the negative comments you have made about the American Flag, which is a symbol of this great Nation. It is used to honor all of the Men And Women that have given their lives to protect freedom around the world.

My, my oh my. The thought police have arrived.

Apparently the flag is the only way to express patriotism to you.

Our flag has been severly soiled by many lying politicians which in my opinion is far worse than anything said or done by redscliff.  Oh, but they are the highly educated elite and therefore allowed, right?

How many crooks, oops politicians have utilized this symbol to hide their lies and cheating of the general public. I don't hear you speaking out against thiem out, trying to shut them up.

Obama stands in front of it regularly lying to us. I feel certain he belives it hides his lies.

The Office of the President once held respect as our nations capitol, not any longer.
It has been defiled by too many bad Presidents. It needs decontaminated.
It needs foot prints removed from the desk.

Flag burning is legal and so is freedom of speech at least until Obama becomes a full fledged dictator.

So, now back to the political question of the thread subject.

Do we want a wannbe politician apparently with strings attached ?

or a man who, is not a politician and is already a

county commissioner without strings attached ?

Let's not forget his accomplishments as County Commissioner.

There appears to be more harmony and team work in the court house which establishes good morale and benefits the people greatly. There are no more back doors undermining Elk County by text messaging as was happening a year ago.

I can not attribute all this to County Commissioner Ritz but to his and County Commissioner Hebbs actions.

Please you folks in District 1, please give some thought to a County Commissioner with no strings versus a candidate with possibly many strings attached.

The difference between some posters on here and the Cub Scouts.... Adult Supervision!

Quote from: Joesue23 on October 06, 2014, 08:49:50 AM
I don't honk very many people are going to any attention to what you, Ross or hillbilly say . What have any of you 3 do e to help or benefit Elk County. If you have heard of the 3 Stooges, well you are the 3 idiots.

Quote from: ROSS on October 06, 2014, 08:22:42 PM
...But you never answered mine.
What kind of a name is JoeSue"
Is that transexual?
Or is it transvite?
Really what does that represent?
I wish you would answer, so I am not confused. Thank in advance.

Quote from: frawin on October 07, 2014, 08:20:24 AM
Why would anyone care what you think, you are totally unamerican, given the negative comments you have made about the American Flag, which is a symbol of this great Nation. It is used to honor all of the Men And Women that have given their lives to protect freedom around the world.

Really, people?  This election may well spell a small disaster for a county that is fading into obscurity, and all some of you can do is throw rocks at each other.  I would think looking at issues, candidate experience & agendas might be healthier & more productive.

It's not the name of the group (i.e. Elk Konnected or the Kiwanas) But rather the policies supported by folks and the histories of those policies that really matter.  Ultimately, if the electorate are uninformed or 'low information' people, the policies, capabilities & agendas of any haphazardly elected official are extremely important.

Just because a candidate's significant other made threatening gestures toward me in a public venue I am still going to make my voting choice on the experience of, stated objectives of and/or track record of the candidate.  Their choice of a lifemate is only an indication of their decision making ability and therefore only one part of my assessment of their suitability for the position they seek.

Let's stick to issues and facts, if we can.  Doing so is much more helpful and mature.  Inaccurate information like this is not very useful...

Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
Doug is not a landowner...

A check of public records, would show that Ritz is, in fact, a land owner... in two counties, including Elk.  Diligence would dictate better research before casting a negative light on someone just to try & score 'poster' points on this forum.  The gotcha game gains nothing and says volumes about the player(s).

Can we at least try to exhibit some self discipline as matters of county management can have real impact on lots of people.

Now, how about some thoughts on the original flavor of this thread.  I, for one, agree with much of what Gadsden said in the original post on this thread.

Quote from: Gadsden1775 on August 08, 2014, 03:41:33 PM
We have heard several of the oldtimers calling the newcomers to our county "OUTSIDERS". Those "outsiders" work and pay taxes. Those "outsiders" VOTE! Those "outsiders" want a good life for themselves and their families. Those "outsiders" came to Elk County for the same reason we live here and for the same reason that OUR ancestors were "OUTSIDERS" so many decades ago.

There is a hypocrisy among people in this county that cannot be overlooked. The same people who call newcomers OUTSIDERS will welcome (with open arms) someone who hasn't lived in the county for 25 years yet still believe that someone is an outsider because they weren't born or raised here. Think about it: just how many years did it take YOUR family to not be an OUTSIDER when they moved here?

Voting is not a pageant. You shouldn't vote for a person because you knew their mother; their grandfather. You shouldn't vote for a person because "Oh, I knew them in high school" or "He/She was cute and waved at me once." Look at the ISSUES and concern your thoughts there! Look at who they surround themselves with and what influence those "friends" may have on their decisions and voting. Look at how "konnected" they are. Look at what someones' morals tell you about what they will do to your county.

When you CARE about your county/community, your actions speak for themselves. You don't have to pound your chest and pat your back about all that you volunteer for and do. Rural firefighters put their lives on the line to save houses, property and LIVES. They don't get paid for it. Most don't even get thanks for it. I believe that putting your life on the line for your neighbors trumps just about any other "volunteering" one can do...

...FIGHT FOR WHAT'S RIGHT!
(Emphasis added)

I have received several messages from people wanting to know who I am and why I am trying to ruin this county. My name is of no importance. I am a taxpayer and I have lived here for several years. I am still considered an outsider because people don't agree with everything I say and I don't belong to the tight little social circles. Nothing in my initial post on this forum can even remotely be tied to someone trying to ruin this county so I'm not sure where that idea has come from. If trying to get people to think before they act is considered trying to ruin this county, then your ideas and my ideas of "ruining" are completely different.

I have had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with Commissioner Ritz twice. Both times he was down to earth and just about the nicest government official one could meet. I've had the displeasure of meeting and trying to speak with a few of the others who have been county commissioners here as well. Two of those people acted as though I should have bowed down and kissed their feet and that I really wasn't worthy of their precious time. I've been in places where Ms. Kaminska has been and she didn't seem to be at all interested in discussing any ideas that she has for improving this county. I'm not much for a "wait and see" attitude when it comes to my taxes and my family. I prefer to know exactly why I'm voting for someone. With Doug Ritz, I do know. He has lowered taxes. He has ended the decades long tax breaks that certain businesses have had. The courthouse has become a happier place to work and the wasteful spending of our tax dollars has been greatly diminished.

I don't know about you and your family but Doug Ritz is the right choice for me and my family. Look at the issues at hand. Mr. Ritz has helped this county step forward and now we are facing two steps back. I for one don't want to go back to the way things were before. Fight for what's right!

Good post, thank you.  :D :D 8)

I have lived here in Elk County a very long time and I still have not seen what you call tight little social circles. I don't consider anyone an outsider.

Anyway, this is not a forum discussion on that topic. That was my own personal opinion as I know how I have been treated and what I have witnessed. Now, back to the real topic at hand, which is how we should all come together to retain Doug Ritz as District 1 County Commissioner.

That also is your own personal opinion

Quote from: Nancy on October 08, 2014, 05:05:00 PM
That also is your own personal opinion

Yes ma'am, that is MY personal opinion. But it's also the opinion of several people who have messaged me. And it's also the reason why I started this thread.

Doug Ritz is a good man. He has spent his term in office doing what is right for this county. He's NOT a yes man (like some who have been/are on the commission) who only does what the rest of the commission wants. Let's help him keep up the good work and keep looking out for us!

Well said Gadsden1775 well said.

I do believe you have experienced the elements that want people to shut up so they can have control'

Stick to your principals, personally I appreciate that.

Doug Ritz is a good man. No one has said he is not.

Quote from: Nancy on October 08, 2014, 09:20:16 PM
Doug Ritz is a good man. No one has said he is not.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING

Re-elect Doug Ritz

This has just come to mind. Maybe it's just me making a big deal out of nothing but no matter what I think, it still does not look right. During the primary election, why was Donna Kaminska handing out the ballots during voting for the Longton precinct, you know, in District 1? My grandmother and I both think that the reason was so everyone would know to vote Kaminska. Shari received 116 votes, Doug got 76. A difference of 40. At least there was 76 people that did not want her and I'm sure the numbers will grow in light of everything that she is unforthcoming about. Let's keep those skeletons hidden. You do seem to be very stuck on yourself to the point that you can't even take your husbands last name. Myself and grandmother will be changing our votes back to Mr. Ritz. Oh, I've read your facebook and all of the congratulations, really loved the one from "QE", Liz Hendricks. What does QE stand for? Queen Elizabeth? Just wondering.

Quote from: The Raven on October 10, 2014, 04:38:05 PM
This has just come to mind. Maybe it's just me making a big deal out of nothing but no matter what I think, it still does not look right. During the primary election, why was Donna Kaminska handing out the ballots during voting for the Longton precinct, you know, in District 1?

Excellent point Raven, excellent post.

You are not making a big deal out of nothing.

I do believe politicking at the pole is illegal.
I believe the 100-foot rule: No politicking near polling-site entrances is the law.
And handing out the ballots inside the polling place is exactly that in my opinion, politicking.
And never should have happened. 
Simple common sense.

I am going to double check this with our county election official on Monday.

And if perhaps the person running for office doesn't know the rules,and just assumes they can do whatever they want to do, perhaps they shouldn't be running. If they don't know the rules they should at least be intelligent enough to ask the county election official , don't ya reckon?

If done on purpose what else will might they assume they can get away with ?

Raven I think we have a common feeling towards fairness and honesty.

Quote from redcliffsw:
It's the Republicans who have pushed their socialist agenda upon Americans for the past 150 years. Looks like Commissioner Ritz got in the way of the progressives and so the Republicans simply did what comes natural to them and voted for one of their own kind.

Republicans have never been conservative and they never will be.

If I lived in Ritz' district, I'd certainly vote for Ritz.



Red, I hate to be the one who burst your bubble but Doug Ritz is a Republican. For you to keep beating a dead horse proclaiming ALL Republicans are not conservative would be like me saying all your beloved Democrats/ Independents/Libertarian's are flaming Liberals. It just aint so no matter how much you want it to be---and please spare me the "Honest Abe did this or that " I'm old but not so old I recall the old gent.

Several of you have expressed your concern over t he negative comments Ross is making about Shari. Think about this Ross mDe all kinds of lies and negative comments about Liz Hendrix, even in the light of all the good Liz did. Her success in getting the Windfarm finalized made elk county a lot of  revenue. I think Ross is just against women being sucessful at anything. Shari is very sharp and will do a great job, show Ross  that he is full of hot air and vote for Shari, you won't regret it.

Holy Crap! You are right Raven. I had totally forgotten about Donna Kaminska (or Kaminski, depending on who you are) setting up there and handing out the ballots. And you're right, it didn't look good. But I suppose there ain't no problem with her handing out ballots for her daughter AND helping with the ballot count. I mean, hell, did she drive the sons of bitches up to Howard too?  --Robert
P.S. Redcliff, your dearly beloved democratic party that you and my parents and grandparents so loved no longer exists. If you would open your eyes and look at their policies now, you would see this. Stop blaming everything on Republicans. Republicans didn't elect Obama. This has nothing to do with this thread.

Quote from: Joesue23 on October 11, 2014, 06:29:07 PM

Several of you have expressed your concern over t he negative comments Ross is making about Shari.

Why don't you state those negative comments and disprove them, your Auntie and Elk Konnected would really enjoy that, don't you think? You would also boost your Aunties chances of getting the seat. But you are not able to do that are you? You can't take down an uneducated redneck, How sad.

Quote from: Joesue23 on October 11, 2014, 06:29:07 PM

Think about this Ross mDe all kinds of lies and negative comments about Liz Hendrix, even in the light of all the good Liz did. Her success in getting the Windfarm finalized made elk county a lot of  revenue.

If I have spread so much as one lie, prove it Joesue of Caney, Kansas? Prove it.
You can't can you? Because I have no reason to lie.
Prove I lied or you are simply using Elk Konnecteds methods of trying to shut a person up.  Prove what you say or as a reality I will accept your appology for calling me a liar.

You seem to confirm that your auntie is Elk Konnected through the Konnection to Liz Hendricks, in my opinion.

The only think I can see that Liz Hendricks has accomplished is making Elk Konnected in an attempt to control the Wind Farm money the County receives. Again this is my personal opinion, it is not a lie, it is an opinion. Oh and didn't she buy Elk Konnected's mother company Public Squares Communities and bring it to Elk County.



As far as Liz Hendricks bringing the wind farm to Elk County, that is such a big story, she in no way had the ability or the power over an international company. You have  to be some kind of dreamer to believe she did.
Sure Liz Hendricks was one of the three County Commissioners that could have done a much better job of negotiating the monies received by Elk County. Just look at Enid, Oklahoma --- same size wind farm --- same company and they receive 3 times what Elk County receives. Just in case you don't know --- that is $3,000,000.00 --- Three Million Dollars per year --- Do you understand the great job you claim Liz Hendricks in getting almost ONE Million Dollars a year instead of THREE MILLION like Enid, Oklahoma?

There is a lot more to that story than you know and most people reading this post know far more than you give them credit for. But that was a nice try.

Quote from: Joesue23 on October 11, 2014, 06:29:07 PM

I think Ross is just against women being sucessful at anything. Shari is very sharp and will do a great job, show Ross  that he is full of hot air and vote for Shari, quote]you won't regret it.

You are trying to paint me as a sexist, that is so sorry. I was raised in a large family and have six older sisters  while growing up I learned a great deal from them and believe it or not I had a mother I learned from. I have also raised two daughters and I instilled in them that nothing can limit their abilities other than themselves. I have worked on jobs with women and for women. Yes, I had some very good female supervisors in the Puget Sound Nuclear Naval Shipyard. I also had to deal with bad supervisors both male and female; usually it was bad male supervisors that were the worst. So give me a break with that sexists B.S. Talk. with Obuma about racism, okay

While discussing sexists crap, what's with that gender bending name of yours? Joesue? What does that mean?
                                        Unless of course you are ashamed to explain it?

Quote from: Joesue23 on October 11, 2014, 06:29:07 PM
Shari is very sharp and will do a great job, show Ross  that he is full of hot air and vote for Shari, you won't regret it.

Sure she is very sharp, showed up at the Longton Free Fair Political Forum and apparently was offended that people wanted to ask her questions? And apparently made it clear she felt picked on. Real Sharp. Huh?

Sure, listen to Joesue of Caney and vote for her Auntie and show Ross is full of hot air, I won't be offended, do it. Turn Elk County Government back over to the control of two voting County Commissioners that are associated with Elk Konnected, do it?

Remember what that was like?

And see what it costs you!

Please go back to page one of  Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25 at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html and review, what I believe to be the best source, that shows the attitudes and arrogant ignorance offered to Elk County by Elk Konnected.

I especially appreciated this one that would have provided real socialism to Elk County and moved total control of the Elk County to Howard. Just think about that for a moment, please! And I quote:

Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM

Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)

If that wouldn't be a giant step towards socialism, I don't know what would be.

But seriously folks vote your own mind, that's what counts. I am not trying to make your decisions.

I only provide information and yes I am human and I am susceptible to errors, but I do the best I can to be accurate.

Just my personal opinion, although I may not agree with everything Doug Ritz may do or say, that is true for a lot of people I know. But I have found Mr. Ritz to be an exceptionally HONEST man and his concerns are for the county as a whole, not just his district or any organizations.

You didn't see Doug Ritz handing out ballots at the polls, did you ?
I believe very strongly that action is illegal by a candidate !
There is no excuse --- none !
If she is on the election committe she should have recused herself out of decency.
There are others that can take her place. No excuses whatso ever.
Her niece says she is sharp. How sharp is this activity?

Okay!
I goofed, I got confused about the Kaminiski's I didn't realize we were talkig about two different people.
Please Pardon my error.

I'm human.
Why didn't you slap me Hillbilly?

Joesue, I have no doubt that Liz Hendricks worked hard to get the wind farm finalized and voting on where the wind farm would go, seeings that the majority of it sets on daddy's land that she receives money from. Oh yes, I would work my ass off to get it in too. I am glad that she's not there to decide where the wind farm money will be spent that goes into the county and I'm very glad that Douglas C. Ritz has done an excellent job of allocating those funds responsibly and putting them into county projects and NOT taking wind farm money belonging to the taxpayers and putting into pet peeve projects such as Elk Konnected. That's why my vote goes for Doug Ritz who is NOT Elk Konnected unlike Shari Kaminska. And Ross, it was Donna Kaminska, Shari's mother, who was handing out ballots, not Shari. I wonder if after the election, she will change her name?---Robert

Quote from: kshillbillys on October 11, 2014, 09:10:38 PM
Joesue, I have no doubt that Liz Hendricks worked hard to get the wind farm finalized and voting on where the wind farm would go, seeings that the majority of it sets on daddy's land that she receives money from. Oh yes, I would work my ass off to get it in too.

Sounds similar to the old movie Mr. Smith Goes To Washington except for the fact that Jimmy Stewart wasn't guilty of misconduct, unlike our previous county government. It's a fine movie. Everyone should take this opportunity to watch it and see the similarities to our past county government. In case you haven't seen it, here's a little about it (from IMDB, plot synopsis):

Smith comes up with legislation that would authorize a federal government loan to buy some land in his home state for a national boys' camp, to be paid back by youngsters across America. Donations pour in immediately. However, the proposed campsite is already part of a dam-building graft scheme included in a Public Works bill framed by the Taylor political machine and supported by Senator Paine. Through Paine, the machine accuses Smith of trying to profit from his bill by producing fraudulent evidence that Smith owns the land in question. However, Smith's chief of staff, Clarissa Saunders (Jean Arthur), has come to believe in him, and talks him into launching a filibuster to postpone the Works bill and prove his innocence on the Senate floor just before the vote to expel him. While Smith talks non-stop, his constituents try to rally around him, but the entrenched opposition is too powerful, and all attempts are crushed. Due to influence of the Taylor "machine", on his orders, newspapers and radio stations in Smith's home state refuse to report what Smith has to say and even twist the facts against the Senator. An effort by the Boy Rangers to spread the news results in vicious attacks on the children by Taylor's minions.

All of the irony in this synopsis is outstanding, agreed?

Kent

People of District 1: has anyone noticed the work that has started on the cemetery road outside of Longton from highway 160 to the cemetery? They are getting ready to repave from the highway to the cemetery. This is being done thanks to Douglas C. Ritz, County Commissioner District 1. Don't let anyone else tell you that this was a Kaminska project because that would be a damned lie. Just one more of Doug's accomplishments as County Commissioner. This road hasn't been worked on for many years, other than a few bags of asphalt being dumped in holes. Other county commissioners could have allocated money to fix this but chose to just bandage it. I have no doubt in my mind that when Shari takes office that the Busby road (at least to her house) and maybe their feed routes will be paved with gold. It's a damn shame that under her administration all the other roads will go to shit. It's only taxpayer money, "screw them, we give them what we want." That's the socialist way. Margaret Thatcher once said, "the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money."---Robert

bear with me everybody,I'm not the most literate person on here,but I've got to say this.Doug is a good guy as far as I know.Shari has said the same thing.But he did not replace Liz.He replaced Lawerance,who tried his best for our district.Gary Hebb replaced Liz and the way some people go on and on it would seem like  Liz was the only problem.We need 5 county commissioners so the whole diverse county can be represented. If either Hebb or Ritz was voting with Leibu what would have changed?WE are spending more money fixing the same roads we have paid to fix for ever.We still have no dump,rural people are not allowed to take their trash to city clean up days,Business in the towns are taxed out of business.Years ago when they where trying to shove rural mandatory trash service down everyones throats we got together and stopped it.When they wanted a clock in the tower everyone got together and got it done.This county knows how to work together.So who ever gets in office lets try and help them.Oh and does any one know who is running against  Shari? it seems like there should be a democrat,not a rerun of Doug and Shari

Good post

First of all, Ms. Nancy Liebau, it's nice to see that an EK would chime in to stand up for another EK individual, but I'm not interested in hearing any of that socialist agenda. I hear enough from Barack Obama everyday on the TV.
Upoladeb, I ain't for sure how the trash services work in Upola, but I know several people take their trash to the county yard at Busby. I've seen Lawrence Jontra and John Cannon. Roads repeatedly worked on? Go up northwest of Howard and check out how many times roads have been worked on up there. You know, District 2. That would be up to the road boss. Now then we all know that Lawrence Jontra was the predecessor to Doug Ritz and that Liz hasn't been in office for a couple of years and that Doug is not running against Liz and her EK socialist ideas that they tried to push over on the citizens of Elk County. Granted, she was just District 2 Commissioner but felt like Elk County President because (my feelings) she ran Kenny Liebau and ran Lawrence Jontra. It's very refreshing to know that we have Doug Ritz who she couldn't run and a landslide of voters put Gary Hebb in office to get rid of her. That should pretty well tell people she was not wanted. Her EK ideas are not wanted. And anyone voting for Shari Kaminska who IS a member of EK, who does talk on facebook with her "Queen Elizabeth" should open their damned eyes and see that what you're going to get is another Elizabeth, the puppet master. That's why my vote is for Doug Ritz, November 4th, 2014, 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.!--Robert

Quote from: Nancy on October 08, 2014, 09:20:16 PM
Doug Ritz is a good man. No one has said he is not.

You're right, no one has come out and said that Doug is not a good man ON THIS FORUM. See, when I am out and about for one thing or another and around various groups of individuals, they don't know who I am on this forum. That tends to keep people honest with their true colors and then I know when someone is two faced and a bald faced liar.

Quote from: upoladeb on October 13, 2014, 06:32:01 AM
Business in the towns are taxed out of business. This county knows how to work together.

There once was an Elk County Economic Development Director. Economic Development should be someone helping area businesses with business related problems. Helping business owners GROW their businesses. This was not the case. Our economic development director was "hired" to do Elk Konnected's business. She was hired to research grants for Elk Konnected. She wasn't hired to help the small businesses of Elk County as she should have been doing. That is why she is no longer employed as economic development director. Also, businesses being taxed to death are not the problems in this county. Statewide tax cuts were enforced for small business by Governor Brownback. In this county over the last four years there has been a significant reduction in taxes. Therefore if businesses have closed due to taxes in the past 4 years, they had major problems before the last four years. Individuals have also seen this reduction in taxes and I challenge anyone to go to the courthouse and check for themselves. Go and find out how much you paid in property taxes for the past 4 or 5 years and tell me that it hasn't gone down! I can tell you personally that my taxes have gone down significantly.
At the Elk County Free Fair candidate forum debate between Kaminska and Ritz, Kaminska stood there in front of God and everybody and said that "taxes will be raised because it has to be done"! WHY DO TAXES HAVE TO BE RAISED? People are more willing to spend money WHEN THEY HAVE THAT EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND! The people I have talked to haven't had that extra money until recently because of the reduction in property taxes! She said that she was going to bring businesses either to Longton or Elk County (it wasn't specified which) but she gave us no information as to what businesses or just how she would get them to come here. I'm thinking that those businesses, if there are any, will go to the Howard area and Longton will lose out yet again. I hear that there may be a Dollar General going in to Howard but I know personally that Shari Kaminska and EK had NOTHING to do with stepping up to the plate for that business to come to Elk County. We could have had that business here YEARS ago, but no one was interested in trying because a big box store would "hurt" our local businesses. People will still use local businesses but I will bet money that when they are out of town [b]WORKING[/b], they stop at WalMart, Dollar General and the likes! It would be stupid of them not to! Save a dollar here, save a dollar there and have money left to spend ELSEWHERE!

It's a NO BRAINER people! If you would like to keep paying less property taxes and see this county get better and better, write in Doug Ritz November 4th. If not, you have no one to blame but yourselves when everything you've worked hard for is taken from you!

Quote from: Gadsden1775 on October 13, 2014, 06:50:17 PM
Individuals have also seen this reduction in taxes and I challenge anyone to go to the courthouse and check for themselves. Go and find out how much you paid in property taxes for the past 4 or 5 years and tell me that it hasn't gone down!...

Yes.  And be sure to look at the tax breakdowns.  It seems the two major school boards have been working hard to keep overall rates UP.    For example in 2013 alone, the county had a 10.91% mill (2.14% dollar) DECREASE.  But West Elk schools had a 2.15% mill (22.09% dollar) INCREASE!  In spite of receiving more state special assistance funds than most other school districts in Kansas.  Yet standardized test scores continue to fall, and the numbers of kids going on to college hovers around 20%. Of course, the school board is still very active in chasing the EK agendas and placing their emphasis on new gymnasiums, ball field watering systems & non-teaching staff instead of curriculum & teacher pay.  Go figure.

Quote from: Gadsden1775 on October 13, 2014, 06:50:17 PM
...At the Elk County Free Fair candidate forum debate between Kaminska and Ritz, Kaminska stood there in front of God and everybody and said that "taxes will be raised because it has to be done"! WHY DO TAXES HAVE TO BE RAISED?...

Sounds very much like the Democrat process followed for decades:  TAX and SPEND.  Especially on social programs that have been shown to produce very little in the way of growth & prosperity and very much in the way of unintended negative consequences & bigger government!

Of course, Elk citizens, it's only money.  YOUR money, but only money.

Thank you nykkelsdymes for enlightening the forum with the website Ritz4Elk.com.  It is chock full of very good  information that EVERY voter should read! Taxes have been too high in this county for too long and we the taxpayers are just now beginning to see the relief. A mans' home is his castle but we were all feeling like paupers with the ridiculous amounts of property taxes we were paying. Elk County aren't you all tired of being taxed to death? Ms. Kaminska has already stated that your taxes will INCREASE if she is the District 1 Commissioner. Can you afford it Elk County? I for one cannot. We need to write-in Doug Ritz and keep the common sense we've had for the past four years!

There hasn't been an election more important in years, than the 2014 General Election tomorrow. Have you all thought what is at stake here in Elk County? Your homes are at stake. If you can't pay your property taxes, you can lose your home to a tax sale. Your family's well being is at stake. If you have to spend all of your hard earned money on property taxes, you won't have the extra money for medication, groceries, your utilities (and we know that the electric spikes at least twice a year), any kind of emergency, etc.

Ms. Kaminska stated in Longton at the fair in August at the Farm Bureau debate between her and Mr. Ritz that taxes would have to be raised. This is a point we have been trying to drive home for all of you. Not everyone can afford the higher property taxes. If a business would want to relocate here, they would most likely be exempt from paying a percentage of their property taxes for several years. Would YOU be exempt? NO! As long as special interests and big business was happy, no one would care about you, the taxpayer. Elk County residents and people that might possibly move here to work for these "businesses" are NOT going to get tax breaks like the businesses would.

These last four years with Doug Ritz on the commission, many families have gotten used to the mill levy decreases which has lowered property taxes. Mr. Ritz is a fiscal conservative which is exactly what this county needs. Let's give Mr. Ritz the opportunity to continue helping Elk County.

"Taxes will have to be raised!"--Shari Kaminska, 8/2/2014 We heard her loud and clear. Now she needs to hear you all as well. WRITE-IN TO RETAIN DOUG RITZ AS DISTRICT ONE COUNTY COMMISSIONER!

Unofficial but looks like congratulations go to Shari.

Yes, the results are unofficial but it looks like District 1 lost big time, Ms. Liebau. At least for the next four years. In 2 more years, we will be helping out District 3 with their campaigning and unseating.

Congratulations to Shari, as a property owner in Elk County, I am pleased to see you elected. I am looking at more property now.

Quote from: Gadsden1775 on November 04, 2014, 11:10:33 PM
Yes, the results are unofficial but it looks like District 1 lost big time, Ms. Liebau. At least for the next four years. In 2 more years, we will be helping out District 3 with their campaigning and unseating.

Elk County lost big time, Gadsen. It's a sad day for Elk County in my opinion.
We lose a very good and honest man and very good and honest County Commissioner, Doug Ritz.

And I do believe we gain another Elk Konnected Kontrolled Kounty Kommissioner's Board.

Only time will tell the truth.

Quote from: frawin on November 05, 2014, 06:07:04 AM
Congratulations to Shari, as a property owner in Elk County, I am pleased to see you elected. I am looking at more property now.

Are you a buyer or you just talking again?

A very interesting outcome. Apparently the majority spoke.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 05, 2014, 08:14:16 AM
A very interesting outcome. Apparently the majority spoke.

A Brilliant and Highly Educated Assumption and Statement by a degreed scholar.

I am very impressed by your depth of and ability to express your comprehension of the situation.

But you failed to mention aw never mind, you would never understand.
It's far too complex for a degree holder from Delaware.

We just lost a fine and honest County Commissioner which is a detriment to Elk County, Kansas.
A very sad day for Elk County, Kansas.

But at least the Republicans gained cotrol of the Senate and maintained control of the House.
Now God willing something good may happen in the Nation's Capitol.

I hope you have a nice day Delaware Diane.

I broke my rule and read your post, as I had a feeling it was some unnecessary juvenile poke at me. I was right. So you are still trying to insult me? Why bother?  It doesn't affect me and makes you look crude and perhaps even jealous.
The elections are over, now go find something else and someone else to pick on. You tried, but your NGO lost. Get over it. Or will you and your little group be whining on the forum for the next four years? Put down that big box of tissues and have a nice day.

That danged ol ignore button just seems to never work---like "we" ever really used it. What a joke !!

I hope your remark wasn't aimed at me. ;D ;D ;D Ross's posts usually aren't worth my time and repeat over and over and over. Why should I waste my time rereading his same old "stuck needle" complaints and insults? "Ignore" means just that. I gave up on him quite awhile back. If I do read him for some reason I'll say so. You thinks it's a joke? You can laugh in your own pocket. Go judge someone who cares.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 05, 2014, 08:14:16 AM
A very interesting outcome. Apparently the majority spoke.

It sure does seem so, Diane.  Not just here in lil ole Elk County Kansas but around the country.

I must say, I have learned a lot in this election.  Rules, regulations, and even more about morals and values. I love this system called a Republic.  Awesome indeed even with it's flaws.

I know a lot of things happened over the last two weeks, some good, some not so good.  Let me fill you all in on a few details.

Starting with the day of election I know that some voters in District 1 were wrongly told that it was illegal for Mr. Ritz to be elected and if they wrote him in,  their vote would not count. Some complained that because he is the chair of the Republican Committee here in the county they didn't think that it was fair that he be too involved in his county, you see.  Since some were told that the write-in was illegal, they just didn't vote.  Sounds like subtle voter intimidation.  I have reason to believe that the Secretary of State will be investigating that aspect.

I was told that some people said they won't vote because it just doesn't matter anymore.  Things are always going to be they way they are because it has always been that way.  Wow.  Let me go on a rant here.....

First off,  too many Americans are lazy and ignorant for the most part.  They were born in a country that is the greatest country on the earth, even now.  They whine and complain about what is going on and believe the rumors in the coffee shops and businesses where they sit around during the day.  They believe the gossip and the rumor mills and don't find out the facts for themselves.

I watched for 10 years being unable to vote in this country.  I watched and learned and was disgusted at the attitudes of many.  I watched this country go from the strongest country economically and in military strength only to fall into financial weakness and being unable to even provide the quality healthcare their military rightfully deserves.  I've watched gross abuses of power foisted upon citizens largely because the citizens' lack understanding and engagement.  Other countries still try to emulate her and yet Americans whine about what they have, largely out of their own ignorance.

Let me tell every American this:  Until you no longer have the wonderful rights given to you by your forefathers and God almighty, you may NEVER understand what you have and what is slipping through your fingers.

The right to vote is precious and should be held dear to our hearts.  It gives us a voice in the storm, it gives us the power to put down wrongdoing.  It gives us FREEDOM.  It gives us POWER and STRENGTH to help those less fortunate and help ourselves to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. 

All too often Americans take their rights and liberties for granted and then wonder what happened.  I shake my head and say, because you did not inform yourselves and vote wisely, you did not really care.  You were fooled into believing that you would not make a difference.  You were miss-informed about truths and told a lie.  You were lazy and did not research it for yourself.  You did not ask the right questions.

End rant here.... for now :)

Now to those that were upset about the write-in movement.....


It was a long shot but well worth the effort for sure.  It brought out the worst in people and the good.  As for the worst, I say this with my best Paul Harvey voice.... and now the rest of the story.......

Some people in District 1, and maybe other Districts,  did not like the write in effort.  They did not like the truths being told or the effort that was being made, because that is 'not how things are done here in Elk County.'  In fact they were so upset, they called the Ethics Commission in Topeka, specifically about campaign finance.  They tried to silence those that were "getting out the vote" and putting out truths about what was really happening .  When people showed up at their "private" little campaign meetings, because after all it was claimed to be "invite only", they were concerned.  Truths revealed, lies told, and yet the people voted them into office. 

The people voted, the majority spoke.  So be it.  But note this fact:  Mr. Ritz, an undeclared candidate, solely through a grass roots effort, still garnered 41% of the votes counted for the District 1 position.  A truth not lost on most people outside the good old boy network.  The commissioner elect does NOT seem to have any kind of a mandate.

The direction this county takes in the next few years will be interesting.  But will it be forward or backward?  That remains to be seen. 

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 05, 2014, 09:13:36 AM
I broke my rule and read your post, as I had a feeling it was some unnecessary juvenile poke at me. I was right. So you are still trying to insult me? Why bother?  It doesn't affect me and makes you look crude and perhaps even jealous.
The elections are over, now go find something else and someone else to pick on. You tried, but your NGO lost. Get over it. Or will you and your little group be whining on the forum for the next four years? Put down that big box of tissues and have a nice day.

You have rules Diane, really?
What might that mean to you?
Because you even seem to have problems with dealing with other peoples problems that are actually none of your business.
I also lack any degree of couth in your involvement with the only NGO in Elk Countyand your lying for them.
The only NGO I know of in Elk County I am aware of is Elk Konnected, so I don't find your arrogant ignorance is the least bit appallling, just normal.

This is the county government of the people that live HERE, not of the people that live in Delaware or Montgomery County Kansas. I hope you can comprehend this information.

Oh and my dear lady we all know how much you love me and cannot ignore me.

Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 05, 2014, 10:33:28 AM
I hope your remark wasn't aimed at me. ;D ;D ;D Ross's posts usually aren't worth my time and repeat over and over and over. Why should I waste my time rereading his same old "stuck needle" complaints and insults? "Ignore" means just that. I gave up on him quite awhile back. If I do read him for some reason I'll say so. You thinks it's a joke? You can laugh in your own pocket. Go judge someone who cares.

You care to damn much for some one living on the east coast and has nothing to gain or loose in Elk County, Kansas politics. You are simply playing the part of a busybody. And your lies and fabrications benefit no one except possibly/maybe a local NGO. How come you can't involve yourself in your own area in the ignorant area of Delaware? Have they banned you?

How come you don't get involved in your husbands political position that you say isn't poitical? You know the one where everyone has been neutered by their wives so as to end the politics of politics.

Hug's and kisses Diane of Delaware. I was just shooting off my mouth, please don't take offense, it is all done with love. LOL

Nykkylsdymes that was an excellent post.

People do need to wake up and appreciate what they have.

And if we can't expect the best of our local politicians, how can we expect the best on the State and Federal levels.

I have tried to keep quiet on this forum for the most part during the two months leading up to the general election. The election is over, so:

Every two years, a Republican Committeeman and Committeewoman are elected in the townships. Two years ago I was written into the position of Republican Committeewoman for Longton. I forgot to register as a candidate for it this year, so after the primary election I was appointed into the position again. Several things happening with the politics of this great nation have compelled me to work a little harder to make sure things are done right.

We have been called whiners, sore losers and cry babies for the efforts in getting Mr. Ritz re-elected. We have been told to "deal with it." This is America. Why should we have to deal with something that we might be able to change if we roll up our sleeves and work for it? Why do we have to go along with something that doesn't fit with our morals and beliefs? We truly believe in Doug Ritz and believed in our efforts to back him. Why should we be belittled for those beliefs?

I would like to request that some of the people who backed Shari Kaminska, (the committee woman that threw fits in the courthouse about the Republican Committee man and woman of Longton, KS getting their stickers to be poll agents on election day; the "good Christian" man that told people that Doug Ritz had sent us to intimidate voters; those that told people write-in campaigns are illegal, votes don't count and he already "holds too many positions") I would like to request that you look up the definitions of committee men and women. Poll agents sit in on elections all over this country.

The main thing that we are against Ms. Kaminska for is the fact that she said taxes would have to be raised. She said it several times and some people agreed with her. We didn't turn people in for putting up signs. We didn't turn people in for lying to potential voters. We didn't accuse the sitting county commissioner of the felony fraud of voter intimidation and then turn around and try to apologize our way out of saying it. All we tried to do was get Doug Ritz re-elected by utilizing completely legal methods and if you think I did anything otherwise, you don't know me at all! We didn't use the tactics of the Black Panthers and ACORN. We didn't wear berets and battle fatigues with night sticks standing in front of the polling place to keep people from voting.

If sitting in the back corner of a room, quietly, while people come in to vote is voter intimidation, let me know. Out of almost 240 people, who was intimidated? We even asked Mr. Hoyt at the courthouse last night if we had caused any problems. He said, no you were good.

I observed the election process so that I could educate myself on it. It's time people start taking things seriously. So with my elected and appointed offices, that is all I am trying to do.---Jennifer Walker