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Offline Jack Wagon

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Spencer found in a cave
« on: October 12, 2021, 10:49:55 PM »
Passing the newsstand I spotted a Spencer on the cover of the 2021 Fall edition of The Black Powder Cartridge News. A good article about a relic Spencer found in a cave in Arizona and restored to shooting condition. Nice to see a Spencer on the front page,  Jw
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Re: Spencer found in a cave
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2021, 09:03:34 AM »
might have to get that one :D

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Re: Spencer found in a cave
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2021, 09:56:29 AM »
It is a good article. The M1865 Spencer carbine was apparently field decommissioned to prevent it's use. Quite a restoration project including a new Romano barrel. A 56-50 load development section and a hunting trip with the restored Spencer.  Jw
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Re: Spencer found in a cave
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2021, 08:14:41 AM »
Hello:

I don't subscribe any more. 
Maybe someone with access could post the new Romano barrel's bore spe's, number L&G, and twist.  Also what load worked well, please.
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Re: Spencer found in a cave
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2021, 10:05:44 AM »
Hi Kevin,
    I was with Bill Mapoles when he was shooting the targets for the article. I’ll see if he remembers the specs. He found it quite a few years ago and him and his son restored it many years ago.
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Re: Spencer found in a cave
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Re: Spencer found in a cave
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2021, 11:26:47 AM »
Thanks, MGMRADIO/Mike:
I will also try for a copy via a member here.
Since barrel done years ago, twist will be interesting.
It could match an original or be Larry's preferred 36" or 32".
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Re: Spencer found in a cave
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2021, 10:48:14 PM »
Kevin,
 I spoke with Bill. He believes that the barrel is a Douglas barrel that was turned down and fitted by Romero. 6 grove rifling and not sure of the twist. Grove diameter around 0.513”.

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Re: Spencer found in a cave
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2021, 04:53:27 AM »
Many thanks, MGMRADIO:

The Douglas barrel recollection fits Larry's remarks to me in 2004-2005. 
He shared that at the start of his Spencer's he used Douglas 4140 alloy, 50  caliber blanks with 38" twists.  He wanted a faster 32" twist, but  could not get Douglas to cut it in 50 caluber. 
He bought used Pratt and Whitney hydraulic guide bar 1/2B-50 machinery to make his own using either 41L40 or 12L14 alloys. 
This transition happened around 1999-2000.

Overall, Larry's Spencer twists were 38", 32" and there are two documented Hoyt blanks with 56" twist that were specifically requested by shooters.  There is a third, original carbine with a 56" Hoyt twist
replacement barrel that the owner posted was Romano's work.
Larry told me he did not do that one, that it was "never in his shop, and he knew who did it".

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