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1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« on: November 19, 2020, 05:57:53 PM »
If you are looking for and original 1866 Winchester 44 CF there is one coming up for sale on December auction, it appears that hammer spring is missing

https://www.icollector.com/Non-Restricted-saddle-ring-carbine-Winchester-model-1866-44-CF-lever-action-repeater-w-bbl-length_i39006403

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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2020, 06:09:33 PM »
Well, if it only had the hammer spring...  ;D

That is really cool! Thanks.
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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2020, 06:58:52 PM »

Well POOP!!

Atz gonna go for lots more than what I have in my Mad Gun Fund.  rifle uses the same Main Spring as the early '73s.  Hooks under a lug on the lower tang.  Then a tension screw keeps it in place.  Easy fix unless the Lug is broken.  Then just braze a new hook.  Wish I had a few more schekles.  Drat

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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2020, 07:07:17 PM »
Remember Coffin Maker, this is in Canada so it is a 35% discount with US dollars

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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2020, 11:13:05 PM »
"Other countries need not apply at this time."  As well as various permits required.  Gonna need a Canadian friend to bid for you!  :)

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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2020, 01:33:47 AM »
You will not need a Canadian buyer, they will sell to America Bidders, this is from the auction site addressed "American Bidders". You will need a broker, they list a couple, if you need help with a broker, I can recommend a few more that I have used and provide good prices and did excellent work

Ammunition will not be shipped outside of Canada.

It is the responsibility of the buyer to familiarize themselves with the laws and procedures for exporting/importing firearms from Canada.

Antique:
-Any firearms that are antique in BOTH countries can be shipped through normal postal services.
-However, if they are not antique in Canada they almost always need to be handled by a firearms broker, with a few exceptions.


Non-Antique:
-An antique in America may be not be antique in Canada and the laws/procedures change accordingly.
-All other firearms that can leave Canada need to go through a broker. They will unregister the firearm and handle transportation to America.
-We recommend contacting a broker before bidding if you are not familiar with the process or associated costs.

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All associated costs for importing a firearm into America are the responsibility of the buyer and will be paid to the broker directly.

BANNED FROM AMERICA:
-Some guns cannot ever enter America such as handguns with barrels shorter than approx 2.5inches.
-Bidders that buy items they cannot take possession of must still pay their invoice and consign at their cost to a future auction.


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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2020, 11:50:53 AM »
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Antique:
-Any firearms that are antique in BOTH countries can be shipped through normal postal services.
-However, if they are not antique in Canada they almost always need to be handled by a firearms broker, with a few exceptions.

Curious as to what was considered "antique" in Canada, I asked almighty google, which returned this from the RCMP. An 1866 doesn't qualify since it's a repeater. Basically it includes muzzle loaders and larger bore single shots made before 1898.

In the US, the ATF defines an "antique" a bit looser, and an 1866 appears to qualify since the ammunition for it is no longer manufactured.
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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2020, 10:17:28 PM »
Curious as to what was considered "antique" in Canada, I asked almighty google, which returned this from the RCMP. An 1866 doesn't qualify since it's a repeater. Basically it includes muzzle loaders and larger bore single shots made before 1898.

In the US, the ATF defines an "antique" a bit looser, and an 1866 appears to qualify since the ammunition for it is no longer manufactured.

Here is complete definition of Antique in Canada

Types of antique firearms
The following firearms are antique firearms under the Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms.

Black powder reproductions
Reproductions of flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearms, other than handguns, manufactured after 1897.

Note
All other reproductions of long guns are considered non-restricted firearms. They don't need to be registered but a licence to possess them is required. As an example, reproductions of percussion cap muzzle-loading firearms like American Civil War Enfield and Springfield rifles are considered non-restricted firearms and not antiques.

Rifles
Rifles manufactured before 1898 with the following characteristics:

able to discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than:
.22 Calibre Short
.22 Calibre Long
.22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges
able to discharge centre-fire cartridges (whether with a smooth or rifled bore), have a bore diameter of 8.3 mm or greater, measured from land to land in the case of a rifled bore, with the exception of a repeating firearm fed by any type of cartridge magazine
Shotguns
Shotguns manufactured before 1898 with the following characteristics:

able to discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than:
.22 Calibre Short
.22 Calibre Long
.22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges
able to discharge centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28, or 410 gauge cartridges
Handguns
Handguns manufactured before 1898 with the following characteristics:

able to discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than:
.22 Calibre Short
.22 Calibre Long
.22 Calibre
Long Rifle cartridges able to discharge centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge:
.32 Short Colt
.32 Long Colt
.32 Smith and Wesson
.32 Smith and Wesson Long
.32-20 Winchester
.38 Smith and Wesson
.38 Short Colt
.38 Long Colt
.38-40 Winchester
.44-40 Winchester
.45 Colt cartridges
Safety regulations
Please see the section on Firearms safety.

Black powder firearms
If you possess or are planning to acquire a black powder firearm, whether a muzzleloader or a firearm that discharges black powder cartridges, you should be aware of requirements that may apply to them under the Firearms Act. There are no licence and registration requirements for antique firearms.

Muzzleloaders made before 1898
All black powder muzzleloaders made before 1898 are considered antique firearms. Antique firearms are exempt from the licence and registration requirements set out in the Firearms Act.

Muzzleloaders made after 1898
All matchlock, flintlock and wheel lock long guns are considered antiques no matter when they were made. Like older firearms of these types, they are exempt from the licence and registration requirements set out in the Firearms Act.

Percussion cap long guns and muzzle-loading black powder handguns made after 1898 are not considered antiques even if they are copies of an earlier antique model. Newer percussion cap long guns are classified as non-restricted firearms. Newer handguns, including matchlock, wheel lock and flintlock handguns made after 1898 are classified as restricted if their barrel length is over 105 mm (about 4 inches), or prohibited if their barrel length is 105 mm or less.

There are a lot of reproduction firearms on the market. In addition, some firearms were made over a period of several years spanning the 1898 cut-off date. If you possess or are planning to acquire a percussion cap firearm or a muzzle-loading handgun, you need to know if it was made before or after 1898 in order to know what rules apply.

Firearms that discharge black powder cartridges
A firearm that discharges black powder cartridges might be considered an antique if it was made before 1898, but not necessarily. It would depend on the caliber or gauge. For example, a shotgun that discharges 12 gauge centre-fire cartridges would not be considered an antique no matter how old it is. More information on which ones are antiques is available by calling 1-800-731-4000.

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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2020, 11:37:38 AM »
That carbine is slicker than puppy poop on a tile floor. (smiley face goes here)

If I was ten years younger and twenty years healthier I'd try to buy that thing. What a great project it would be to bring it back to life.

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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2020, 04:28:17 PM »
Rifles manufactured before 1898 with the following characteristics:

able to discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than:
.22 Calibre Short
.22 Calibre Long
.22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges

Ooops, I read through that RCMP page too quickly. An original '66 qualifies if it is for the .44 HRF, but this '66 here doesn't qualify since it is a centerfire repeater.
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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2020, 06:59:55 PM »
Ooops, I read through that RCMP page too quickly. An original '66 qualifies if it is for the .44 HRF, but this '66 here doesn't qualify since it is a centerfire repeater.

Thats correct, it will have to go through a broker since it is centerfire repeater, and the round is commercially available. But is stll available for a US buyer to bid, purchase but will have to be exported to US through a broker

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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2020, 07:56:22 AM »
44 Henry center fire ammunition is available commercially? I had no idea!

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Re: 1866 Winchester 44CF for sale at auction
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2020, 09:57:49 AM »
Oh . . . . but to be independently wealthy. (sob sob)

'Cause I'd haul that hummer out and PLAY wid it inna heartbeat, you betcha   ;D

 

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