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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2020, 01:33:32 PM »
Often times common usage will change nomenclature. When you have to blow your nose, do you reach for a kleenex? How about if you want to tape something? Do you use scotch tape? If you have a headache or your doctor recommends you take a "baby aspirin"? Those were/are copyrighted brand names of Kimberly Clark, 3M and Bayer, respectively, but common usage has rendered them often-used terms. Words in our language also change meaning. Years ago, a beautiful girl was termed a "handsome woman", whereas today we

 For many younger shooters, using ".45 Long Colt" distinguishes that cartridge from, say ".45ACP" or ".45 Schofield"

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2020, 03:23:44 PM »
For many younger shooters, using ".45 Long Colt" distinguishes that cartridge from, say ".45ACP" or ".45 Schofield"

So you're saying "45 Colt" can't be distinguished from "45 ACP" or "45 Schofield", but "45 long Colt" can? And this apparently applies mostly to young shooters?

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2020, 03:26:25 PM »
Since some folks like to call their 44 Mag the Extra Long Russian, would 454 Casull be 45 Extra Long Colt?

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2020, 03:33:00 PM »
.45 Colt correct.  That said, there are reference to .45 Long Colt dating back to the 1870s by US Army personnel as a way of differentiating between the Colt cartridge and the compromise .45 Caliber Ball cartridge which chambered in both the S&W and Colt. 

The .45 caliber cartridge developed by Colt for the US Army trials in early 1873 was a 255gr bullet and 40gr of BP.  By June 1874, the Army Ordinance department reduced the loading to 250gr and 30gr of BP.  On August 20, 1874 the Frankfurt Arsenal stopped production of the Colt's Revolver, Cal .45.  In early 1875 a compromise cartridge that could be chambered in both the S&W and Colt revolvers was introduced.  It used a 230gr bullet and 28gr of BP.  It was termed Revolver Ball Cartridge, Calibre, .45.  Around 1882 the cartridge switched from being Berdan primed to Boxer.  Some other minor changes resulted in the M1887 Ball Cartridge, introduced in 1887.  This was the sole US Government revolver cartridge until the introduction of the .38 Long Colt in 1892.  The .45 ACP was based on the ballistics of the M1887 Ball Cartridge, not the .45 Colt.
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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2020, 05:26:27 PM »
OK, since the 45 Colt cartridge was dead as far as the Ordnance Dept was concerned by 1874, perhaps it should have been re-named the 45 Spit & Piddle. Then we wouldn't be arguing over "Long" vs "Colt".

Goodness knows what the civilians were calling it? Couldn't possibly have been anything as simple or descriptive as "45 Colt". Maybe they called it the "45 Caliber the Army Used to Have", or the 45 CAUH for short. (smile)

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2020, 05:52:50 PM »
I can imagine walking into a general store and saying "I need a box of .45's" and the clerk says "Colt or Smith?"

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2020, 06:30:38 PM »
In a terrible western from years ago, starring Mickey Rourke as the primary bad guy. As he and his henchmen were escaping, they stopped to count their ammo. They said they had a lot of 44/40 and some 45/40. Hey, I said it was it was terrible. What do you expect from a western with Mickey Rourke.

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2020, 12:12:43 AM »
Why do people insist on calling it .45 Long Colt?
The grand tradition and long history of "short" "regular" and "Long" cartrdige designation!

for many many lustrum there was a common tradition of introducing a cartridge,
then making it longer and more powerful. I offer for you rentertaintmant the following:

.22 short, long, long rifle
.32 colt
.32 Short Colt
.32 Long Colt
.32 S&W
.32 S&W Long ( .32 Colt New Police)
.38 Short Colt
.38 Long COlt
.38 S&W
.380 Revolver Short
.380 Revolver Long
.41 Short Colt
.41 Long Colt
.41 Special
.45 Schofield (aka .45 S&W )
.45 Colt Government ( aka .45 Colt Short )
.45 Colt (aka .45 Long Colt )



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While it is sometimes referred to as .45 Long Colt or .45 LC, to differentiate it from the
very popular .45 ACP, and historically, the shorter .45 S&W Schofield, it was only an unofficial
designation by Army quartermasters.

Current catalog listings of compatible handguns list the caliber as .45 LC and .45 Colt.

many gun rag writers put together so-callerd "debate articles" during slow months.

one such said it nicely:

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"So is it 45 Colt or 45 Long Colt?

While either term is correct, 45 Long Colt was really just a nickname. The majority of ammunition manufacturers stamp their cases with “45 Colt” as do the majority of firearm manufacturers mark their firearms with the same.

The reason for this is because .45 COLT is the official name used by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI). When all else fails, this is the correct term to which we fall back."
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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2020, 08:15:21 AM »

 :o  You gotta be kidding!!   :o

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2020, 08:42:12 AM »
I wonder why people get so burned up about ".45 Long Colt", when nobody worries about .44-40, .30-30, .30-40, etc?  They all started out with different designators, as well, but no one seems to get all heated up about it.
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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2020, 02:30:06 PM »
Aw, c'mon, Coffinmaker, don't point out the truth, heck it's fun watching all the confusion we're adding. And as Niederlander said, they haven't even started on the 44 WCF, 30 WCF, and 30 Army etc yet. ;D

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2020, 04:08:31 PM »
Ah My Dear Coffin....

It’s not like we have an overabundance of scheiss topics to discuss at the moment, and at least this one is innoccuous inocuus wont make peoples heads explode.

There I just became the first one to drop out of the Spelling Contest..  :'(

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2020, 05:49:18 PM »
I wonder why people get so burned up about ".45 Long Colt", when nobody worries about .44-40, .30-30, .30-40, etc?  They all started out with different designators, as well, but no one seems to get all heated up about it.

I beg to differ, Sir. There are those of us who believe words mean things and proper usage is, well, proper usage.

I for one have always objected to 44-40 instead of the more proper 44 WCF, to 30-30 instead of 30 WCF, to 30-40 instead of the 30 US Army, not to mention the bastardization of the 38 WCF to 38-40 and the 32 WCF to 32-20.

Oh the shame, the shame I tell you! (smiley face goes here)

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2020, 06:42:20 PM »
Alright, I won't slap someone if they ask if my '95 is in .30-40 Krag..............
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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2020, 09:31:41 PM »
Guys please enough already,
The question is now moot because now mostly when I shoot those new fangled cat-ridge guns my choice is the .45 Colt SHORT (AKA .45 Cowboy Action Special).
But due to the good influence of a retired gun plumber we all know and love most shooting now is done with cap & ball snub nose revolvers.
But thanks for the history lessons. I suspected that .45 Colt was correct because guess what is stamped on the barrel of my 1909 manufactured Colt Single action....wait for it


".45 Colt".
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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2020, 12:01:48 AM »
and with that ...it seems no mater the length Colt 45 ,  is still Colt 45   :)
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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2020, 03:42:07 AM »
Hahaha..!  ;D
Major 2:  You Sir, have just made the best argument for ".45 Colt"...!  Cheers!  8)
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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2020, 09:28:09 AM »

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2020, 02:11:20 PM »
since there is a question if we'll get to 3 pages, let me throw this turd into the punchbowl:

Which is right a dash or a slash? 45-70 or 45/70, plus all the other dash/slash cartridges. I'm a slash man myself.

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Re: which is correct - .45 Colt or a .45 Long Colt?
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2020, 04:08:25 PM »
since there is a question if we'll get to 3 pages, let me throw this turd into the punchbowl:

Which is right a dash or a slash? 45-70 or 45/70, plus all the other dash/slash cartridges. I'm a slash man myself.

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