I fixed the name of the "Chinese Hit Medicine" - it is called Dit Da Jow. be careful of where you get it, some places online have like 100 ingrediants,
including possibley toxic stuff, and even "Dragon Bone" ( yeah, pm me if you want to know that story..."
Hey Prof,
I will have to check that out. I am a big proponent of Tiger Balm (the stuff that looks like ear wax, not the clear/white version) That stuff has served me well.
Glad someone had a good experience with Warfarin. I had a horrible experience with rat poison version. First I have work with pesticides as an analytical chemist for 25 years. Was applying warfarin based feed for voles in my yard. It was a hot day so I was wearing shorts and sandals, but threw on a long sleeve short and rubber gloves when dumping the stuff in the holes. Clean up and on my merry way and it is forgotten. Next morning it looked like someone had gone over my shins with bat, there was nothing but a massive bruise covering the lower half of my legs. Wife sends me to the dr. no clue what had caused it until I had an epiphany when they are sending me to get x-rays to look for damage. Dr. laughed, asked me to remind him what I did for a living and posted it on my chart I should probably not take that med.
Greetings Mog -
It's agood idea to get Traditional Chinese Medicine from a trusted source. My source of *good* Tiger Balm dried up & I'll have to go back to Uncle Doctor Sigung Gary
to get the Good Stuff.
First I have work with pesticides as an analytical chemist for 25 years.
Oh crap, so you've been exposed to a lot o' crap over the years like us and probably have our *glass too full* syndrome ...
I have to admit, *most of us* have been a little too casual with poisons and chemicals in our callow youth. I myself regularly washed my hands and arms with gasoline and naptha while working summers in an oil refinery. Now I am sensitive to most petrochemical solvents.
The Rat poison version of Warfarin was a pretty darn high dosage *back then* and It sounds like you obviously absorbed it thru the skin and got the warned about painful/red/purplish patches on the skin aka "purple toe syndrome"
( see in my little Wall O' Text ) .
Warfarin comes from way back in the day, and I personally think it needs to have a 'black box warning label', but WHO loves it...
Lately, Doctors are swamped and can only spend an average of 15 minutes with each patient during a visit.
ITS REALLY HARD to discuss everything in that time. AND they have hundreds of patients each, so they can't
remember everyones specifics.
Some Doctors are so rushed all they do is talk, and they don't listen.
Some patients are either shy, confused, or don't understand but won't speak up and detail their individual problems.
Also, when their done talking , who can remember all that?
Our Presbyterian Group has a deal where the Dr takes detailed noted during the entire visit on his Office Laptop
and when we are done, he asks if you have ANY questions. THEN you go see the "exit staff" who prints off
EVERYTHING YOU TALKED ABOUT including recommended RX, dosage, side effects, warnings, etc, and then sets up the next appointment.
It's all printed out for you to take home including the next appt card. This has saved me from having to take my own notes and
carry a voice recorder!
Then, Some MDs are not as aware of detailed side effects, interactions and contra-indications -
go look at the wiki wall o' text ( below) and you'll see why they can't go through all this stuff in 15 minutes.
They go by * 60-75% of patients do fine on this * and off ya go.
Bottom line: It's all about Risk Vs Benefit
you need to talk to YOUR DOCTOR about what exact benefit he expects out of any med,
and balance that against how much risk you have
AND Balance that against the possible side effects. AND YOU have to watch closely and report all side effects...
.... and you need to make sure it is REAL RISK like
- you have had heart surgery so you NEED blood thinners due to the proven clotting problems
after such surgery you WILL get clots due to healing and if you throw a clot you WILL get blockage
leading to blood supply stoppage causing extreme pain and/or death.
not "oh your 65 now so you need to go on blood thinners" sort of thing.
So, here some poop about Warfarin
BEWARE OF PROF MARVELS WALL O' TEXTwarfarin, Coumadin, Jantoven
Summary:
Warfarin comes from way back in 1920. Castrated cattle were bleeding out and In 1921, Frank Schofield, a Canadian veterinary pathologist, determined that the cattle were ingesting moldy silage made from sweet clover. In 1933 Karl Paul Link and his lab of chemists at the University of Wisconsinstarted experiments to isolate the haemorrhagic agent.By 1940 they succeeded in synthesizing dicoumarol and proved it was identical to the
naturally occuring agent.Karl Link developed more potent synthetic versions and in 1948 it was marketed as a rodent poison, rodents will return to the bait and continue to feed over a period of days until a lethal dose is accumulated.
Unfortunately many rat populations have developed resistance to it, and poisons of considerably greater potency are now available.
Also unfortunetely newer anticoagulant poisons also accumulate in the liver and kidneys after ingestion and poison birds of prey
and other animals that eat the poisoned rodents or baits.
In 1954 it was approved for medical use in the United States.[5] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the safest and most effective medicines needed in a health system.[9] Warfarin is available as a generic medication.[10] The wholesale cost in the developing world is about US$1.12 to 7.20 for a typical month of treatment.[11] In the United States it usually costs less than $25 a month.[12] In 2016 it was the 41st most prescribed medication in the United States with more than 18 million prescriptions.[13]
Occupational safety
People can be exposed to warfarin in the workplace by breathing it in, swallowing it, skin absorption, and eye contact.
It is classified as an extremely hazardous substance in the United States and is subject to strict reporting requirements by facilities which produce, store, or use it
Dosing
Dosing of warfarin is complicated because it is known to interact with many commonly used medications and certain foods.
Further it needs to be closely monitored to ensure safety.
Adverse effects
- excessive Bleeding
- Warfarin necrosis ( incorrect dosage leading to massive thrombosis with skin necrosis and gangrene of limbs )
- Osteoporosis ( warfarin could/can reduce bone mineral density)
- Purple toe syndrome ( deposits of cholesterol break loose and cause painful embolisms in blood vessels in the the feet)
- painful/red/purplish patches on the skin
- kidney problems
- vision changes,
- confusion,
- slurred speech,
- weakness on one side of the body
Interactions
Warfarin interacts with many commonly used drugs and foods ... This makes finding the correct
dosage difficult, and accentuates the need of monitoring;
some interactions:
- commonly used antibiotics, such as metronidazole or the macrolides
- food that contains large quantities of vitamin K1
- Thyroid activity influences warfarin dosing
----- hypothyroidism (decreased thyroid function) makes people less responsive to warfarin treatment,
----- hyperthyroidism (overactive thyroid) boosts the anticoagulant effect.
- alcohol is also known to increase the risk of bleeding.
- interacts with many herbs and spices, (such as ginger and garlic)
- interacts with medicinal herbs (such as ginseng and Ginkgo biloba, borage (starflower) oil, fish oils, St. John's Wort)
- interacts with cranberry juice.
Get medical help right away if any of these rare but serious side effects occur: painful/red/purplish patches on the skin (such as on the toe, breast, abdomen), signs of kidney problems (such as change in the amount of urine), vision changes, confusion, slurred speech, weakness on one side of the body.
A very serious allergic reaction to this drug is rare. However, get medical help right away if you notice any symptoms of a serious allergic reaction, including: rash, itching/swelling (especially of the face/tongue/throat), severe dizziness, trouble breathing.
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WAll o' Text available at
from Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warfarinand
https://www.drugs.com/warfarin.html
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