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Help for a Newbie
« on: February 03, 2020, 10:09:45 AM »
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I have a Shiloh 30 " heavy octagon 50-70.  I bought it about 10 yrs ago when I had money.  I need a primer on how to make it shoot.  I have an article in BP Cartridge mag written by Mike Nesbit on the 50-70.  From a cold clean barrel, the first 5 shots grouped at 1 o'clock 6 inches high and 4 in group at 55 yds.  425 gr 63 gr of KiK 2F.  Factory iron sights.  After that it went down hill.  Please point me in the right directions.   
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Re: Help for a Newbie
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2020, 10:35:31 AM »
Get the book written by two campion shooters called ?SPG Lubricants BP Cartridge Reloading Primer? by Mike Venturino and Steve Garbe. They explain how and why step by step.
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Re: Help for a Newbie
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2020, 09:45:10 AM »
Does the 9th addition have enough updated information to warrant purchasing if you can get a 1996 version?
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Re: Help for a Newbie
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2020, 11:05:31 AM »
No, everything you need is in the older edition.
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Re: Help for a Newbie
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2020, 11:42:43 AM »
Joe, what lube are you using and whats your load?   You say it went downhill after 5 shots but what are you doing about fouling....wiping between shots?  Wiping after 5 shots? Etc.
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Re: Help for a Newbie
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2020, 08:08:28 PM »
a good place        https://www.shilohrifle.com/forums/ 
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Re: Help for a Newbie
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2020, 09:52:18 AM »
Sam:  I have not been wiping between shots.  I am used to my 38-40 with SPG lube and the proper bullet going 50-60 rds between wiping and still maintaining 5" groups at 75 yds.
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Re: Help for a Newbie
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2020, 10:43:40 AM »
Try it or at least every 5 shots.   I think fouling is your problem.   Also, you might consider using a blow tube and use it between shots cause its awful dry air there in Lamb County which makes for hard fouling.  I like Napa cutting oil diluted 10:1 for a wiping fluid.

Also, what powder are you using and are you using compression? 
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Re: Help for a Newbie
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2020, 01:14:59 PM »
I built me a blow tube.  I have Goex 2F, 3F, KiK 1.5, & 2F.  It did not like the KiK from the start.  I cast some 446 gr bullets from a Lee mold yesterday.  I have a Lyman 515141 from Midway in route.  I would like to try OE, but no one within 150 miles sells BP by the can and I dont want to find storage for another 10-25#.
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Re: Help for a Newbie
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2020, 01:29:26 PM »
What does your bore slug out at?  Some of those bullets may be too big for the Shiloh.

The 2f Goex or the KiK should be okay....either need about 1/4 in of compression to work right.  Use a drop tube if you have one...if not settle by touching the case against a vibratory cleaner.

 If push comes to shove you could always duplex by using no more than 10% smokeless in the form of 4759, Rel 7, or similar burn rate powder under your blackpowder.   If you do this don't compress the load more than about 1/16 in.
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