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Offline Tuolumne Lawman

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I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« on: January 10, 2020, 11:36:38 pm »
Decided on going back to a 1858 Pietta/Kirst .45 conversion to pair with my Pietta/Kirst Saber River .45 1860.  My problem is that I love cartridge conversions,,,,especially ones I create myself!
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Re: I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2020, 12:04:00 am »
I'm with you regarding cartridge conversions. There's nothing quite like them. Of course they are based on designs that were outstanding in their time.

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Re: I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2020, 10:29:19 am »

   :o   But   But   But ... TL!!  What about the "Heal base Bullet" project??  Your gonna have Heal Base bullets up the Wazoo and nothing to shoot em out of  :-X

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Re: I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2020, 10:40:14 am »
Ah Ha, Coffin Ol' Buddy, the .38 Heel Base project is still alive and well.  The 7.5" 1851 has been Konverted, but due to a successful sale on VTI's part, they are out of stock! So the 4" with the birds head grip awaits conversion before I venture further.

I am doing an 8" 1858, and using one of my modified ejector rods.  EMF had a great sale on Pietta 1858s for $234!!!!  I just could not resist.  They are the source on my Pietta 1860 with faux-ivory grips that is going to be my 1860 Saber River.  I tried to love the 5" Schofield I got back, but it was just not right for an 1860 Henry toter with an 1860 conversion.  Therefore I grabbed the sale 1858.
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Re: I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2020, 09:27:09 am »
This is quite the quandary .......
The sales of 38 conversions is almost at a standstill hence the blow out prices on them.
Tuolumne here is trying to help that as many have before by stimulating interest but can?t due to the lack of interest and the lack of production.
Now Kirst has to decide if they are going to invest the thousands of dollars necessary in order to make another hundred and the cycle continues.....
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Re: I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2020, 09:59:24 am »
The lack of interest is why I approached Jeff Hoffman, president of Black Hills.  The simple answer is affordable hollow base 150 grain soft lead round nose like the original 1892 Army loading discontinued in the 50s and 60s.  Jeff likes the idea, and Bear creek bullets likes the idea enough to help us develop the bullet. 

Granted, Bernie's Old West Bullet Moulds crimp die make loading heel base almost as easy as inside lubed, but that is only for people who reload.  The 150 grain RNHB bullet would replace Black Hills current 38 Long Colt, as it could be used by current .357" bore users and .375" bore 1851 converted users.

If the change to RNHB happens, it will breathe new life in .38 conversions.
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Re: I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2020, 10:36:38 am »

 >:(  HH and TL   >:(

What a GROAN!!  I've been a "Super Fan" of conversion guns since about forever.  Lost my collective butt when ASM guns went inna toilette.  I built a number of .38 conversions for customers as well as for myself.  The big bugaboo has always been the 375 bore of actual .36 Percussion Guns.  Most whom approached me for conversions were leery of the bore/bullet mismatch and didn't want to play with hollow base wadcutters.  Ergo, the hot ticket for a .38 conversion became the Uberti R/M conversions which, of course, have .357 bores.

I'd like to see this project succeed.  I could be coerced to build another pair of .38s just for me.  My current '51 conversions are running R & D cylinders.  Just not the same as a Gated. 

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Re: I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2020, 11:06:00 am »
another could be another customer for Black hills if'n it came to fruitarian...

Currently I have stash of loaded heel base rounds  and another stash of hollow base wadcutters awaiting loading  for Dexter to digest

when planets align...do the deal !

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Re: I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2020, 12:36:27 pm »
Just as a note here for all concerned:

Hollow base wad cutter 38 Special ammunition is readily available.
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Re: I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2020, 03:32:36 pm »
Yep. Winchester uses soft lead and Black Hills use soft lead. I had some Remington that were hard. I have some Black Hills 148 HBWC Bullets loaded 1/4 inch out in .38 long Colt cases to approximate 38 special case capacity. First test they worked great in the 1851.  Not going to do a full test until I convert the 4 inch 1851. 
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Re: I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2020, 08:03:35 pm »

Hey Gary  ;D

YessireeBob!!  Hollow Base Wad Cutters are readily available.  I run them in my '51 Navy conversions with 375 barrels.  Accuracy is very good.

And, at CAS distance I also shoot plain old 125Gr Truncated Cone bullets and ring the steel with great regularity.  They really don't wander much in 7 yards.

My other favorite when running the '51s as Cap Guns is the EPP-UG-36 cast bullet.  Super accurate and rings the steel like a 38.  Sweet.

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Re: I am as fickle as a Junior High girl...
« Reply #11 on: Today at 08:20:27 pm »
AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!Was cutting the Kirst gated .45 Konverter loading channel in the 1858 I got from EMF on sale ($234!) when the 60 grit drum jumped from the channel and hit the frame!  I had a layer of Gorrila Tape on it, but still bit through in a 1/8" by 1/16" patch!!!  DANG. buffing it down smooth with 400 emory and try cold blue.  Works, sort of.... I'll work on it some more.

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