They?re good sgs. I?ve got several but my favorite is a Model 24 12 ga but my scaled down 20 ga Model 30 is a real sweetheart. Shoots like a rifle. My enlightened cas WASA-SASS club ECSASS allows them. They got a bum wrap imo, with cas loads and all the internal safeties operating they are fine. The WB lawyered up is all. Heard of and seen 3 guns let go over the years, a gross overload blew a 3rd gen Colt sa and 2 Henry repros with mag detonations but reloads and Henry style winchesters are still legal. Here?s one I put together for our 2 inch snubnose matches and I go pinstripe gangster.