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removing Pietta barrel
« on: December 11, 2019, 03:10:34 AM »
Ok Folks, I am slightly baffled stuck perpuzzled.

Has anyone removed a barrel from a RECENT ( ie less than 10 yrs old) Pietta?
Either a remington 1858 or an 1873 Model P?

I have one each that are STUCK and I am convinced that they have been glued in.

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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2019, 09:26:56 AM »

I got nothin.  Except.  Glue is NOT your friend.  The most common culprit is RED LecTite.  Some good Juju there, and some bad Juju.  The stuff is tenacious.  Takes heat to release.  When I encountered Red, I used a small hand torch (similar to making Crem Brulet) to heat the parts.  CAREFULLY.  It's (heat) not real good for the finish if you get it too hot.

Clamp it up inna barrel vice, apply the heat to the FRAME to expand the frame slightly and release the Red.  If, it's epoxy on the other hand, you're on yer own.

Um, Ah, Why do you wanna remove the barrel anyway??

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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2019, 03:21:51 PM »
Why Remove the barrel? This is a very good question.
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Re: removing Pietta barrel
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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2019, 04:07:56 PM »
I got nothin.  Except.  Glue is NOT your friend.  The most common culprit is RED LecTite.  Some good Juju there, and some bad Juju.  The stuff is tenacious.  Takes heat to release.  When I encountered Red, I used a small hand torch (similar to making Crem Brulet) to heat the parts.  CAREFULLY.  It's (heat) not real good for the finish if you get it too hot.

Clamp it up inna barrel vice, apply the heat to the FRAME to expand the frame slightly and release the Red.  If, it's epoxy on the other hand, you're on yer own.

Thanks Coffin -

Red Loctite, or the Italian equivalent , is what I am hoping for. Apparently the late model Piettas are infamous for some sort of glue.

I am using a Giant Machinist Bench vice, holding the barrel clamps, and a home-built Frame Wrench with Model P oak inserts.
and I am working from  a Hamilton Bowens article as seen here
https://www.coltforum.com/forums/single-action-army/87261-saa-barrel-removal.html

I was considering a proper frame wrench from brownlells, but mine is actually more robust, then I found this
Build Your Own Frame Wrench Tool, Tool of the Month from GunTech #63


yeah - I am gonna build that sucker with bigger bolts, thicker steel,  and a TEN FOOT 4 foot long pipe handle.
Then I am gonna build a new workbench for the Giant Machinist Vice involving 4x4's and concrete.

and I found another web forum thread  where some folks are making frame inserts from epoxy, cerrosafe, Sculpy (of all things) and other materials.

Since I also play at doing pottery, I can make some "mold to fit" low-fire clay inserts with fiberglas reinforcing that would
easily withstand 350 degrees ( I think thats where red loctite lets go)


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Um, Ah, Why do you wanna remove the barrel anyway??

I have delusions of Grandeur

See, I have already chopped a remmy and a brass 1851 with my hacksaw and files, so now its time to move on to
ruining bigger and better things!

But besides that I want to take these two pieces, a Remington NMA, and a 1873 Model P , both of which have barrels that are "too long"
and do the job proper , on my lathe, and try my hand at truing & facing the cylinders, reaming the chamber mouths to size, setting the barrels back "a tish", but timed so the from sight & etc remain in the correct position, and  so I can re-face the barrels and recut the forcing cones, cut the barrels to "correct" length and test various crown ideas. 

And while everything is off, I have some sacrificial parts rough cast grip frame parts, a beater barrel, and a beater cylinder I want to try tigging and brazing and silver soldering on as mad scientist frankengun experiments to try to achieve the object of my desire:



except in blue.
cuz my nickle plating frankenstein tank isn't ready yet.


I won't pretend I can "blueprint" them, but I can at least ruin them slowly try my hand at barrel and cylinder tuning "once".

I anticipate It will be Much like the time wanted a Buffalo Hide -
I knew some folks who raised buffalo north of Denver, and they sold me  for only $75, a wonderful stiff, dry, stinky green buffalo hide off a 400 pound "calf" they had to slaughter. I was in Fat City!  After Mrs Marvel almost puked getting out of her car, the Green Hide of Destiny was removed to a remote back shed, where  I put it into a makeshift tub to soak and built a huge streching frame. Then Streched the hide and made a scraper from an Elk antler and a large old wood plane blade. Then proceeded to scrape. And scrape. And scrape some more.

I was making some progress after several months... but things kept nibbling at the edges somehow so the hide went from about
6x8 feet to perhaps 4x6 feet. . Intrestingly the smell was dissipating, and the hair stayed on somehow. But when it finally got down to about 3x5 feet and was still not thin enough to make anything except bullet-proof rawhide armor, I gave it up as a hopeless endevour
and cermoniously scarificed what was left to the Dumpster Gods, packed in lime.

So, yeah , another project like that .....

yhs
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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2019, 05:19:18 PM »

I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY   8)

And on a side note.  Once you have Chopped, Channeled, Frenched the Headlights and Leaded all the seams ..... the Ejector Housing and Rod won't fit anymore   ::)  Or any less either.  :P

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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2019, 05:29:04 PM »
Prof, I applaud your commitment to diveing in to the deep end. Don?t let silly people dissuade you with questions like ?why?, if they have to ask then they can?t understand the answer!
When I remove a barrel that is stubborn I clamp every thing down really hard then my rather short action wrench gets a mighty strike with 5 lb. maul. Pops em loose most every time.
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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2019, 06:39:43 PM »
Well I admire people who can do all that stuff (have the stuff to do it with and know how to use it).  When I need a shorter barrel I buy another gun.   :)

But seriously, you might try calling EMF and talking to their gunsmith or repair guy, to ask if Pietta is using a thread locker.

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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2019, 09:22:28 PM »
Thanks everyone for the dis encouragement and advice ....

and great idea Abilene, EMF may be able to help and I can try to reach out to Alchemista as well...
For the Model P, I am trying to build something like an Omnipotent snubby,
and a  Model P thunderer 3- 3 1/2" snubby and still get some functionality from the ejector...

here is a rough sketch of my proposed Remmy abomination snubby modification:

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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2019, 09:49:16 PM »
I love it!  That is a worthy endeavor.

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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2019, 01:46:07 PM »
I did a rebuild a number of years ago of an ASM, '73 SAA with a 6.5 in. barrel in .45 Colt into a 7.5 in. barreled .44 S&W Russian caliber. This required replacing the barrel and the cylinder. I had no issues with removing the barrel, however, the cylinder was a different matter. It was too long both in front and in the back!
My reason for asking "why remove the barrel" was based solely on this thought of changing "caliber".
I thought I might be able to add something that might be of some help in this rebuild.
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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2019, 03:00:44 PM »
Ah My Good Blair -

It never hurts to ask!

always a valid question , because it generates further discussion and possibly branches one out into hitherto
unconsidered directions!

I always value the posts from the Hivernaughts, as they have "done stuff" often "with nothing".

anything that might have been possibley read as a criticism form my end is merely an attempt at more humor!

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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2019, 09:23:02 PM »

Now that there prototypical application of sketchiness outlines a very worthy project.  Yes it does.  I personally wouldn't enjoin to make it happen, it is primarily because, well, I don't like Remingtons.

No offense.  Strictly a personal opine.  Whilst a rather involved project, still, the result should be spectacular.  Quite.

I should also suggest you may wish to commune with Tinker Pierce.  He is quite adaptable.  You should find his contact particulars on the Storm board.  He has been known to lurk (hang out) there with past projects.

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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2019, 05:09:52 AM »
I recall Bluesman aka Triggersmith made his version of a stubby like your vision.... I think there is photo or two on this wire  :-\

Yeah ! here it is 

shorter with remodeled OEM grip frame but along your lines  :-\
when planets align...do the deal !

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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2019, 04:27:28 PM »

Speaking of "Ming the Merciless"   8)   You get that barrel or those barrels off yet??

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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2019, 02:05:23 AM »
Ah My Good Coffin -
we got  a "bedroom makeover" mostly done, and I had some time but then the
desparately needed new dressers arrived and surprise! they require assembly !

Sort of "flat shipped"  like Ikea stuff, but in actual solid South American hardwood and rather like a kit...
so playing in the shop is on hold whilst I manage to put these kit dressers together, and finish
some domestic chores including holiday oriented decopague decorating and cooking...

But while I was sorting the first ring of hell workshop to build the frame wrench, inserts and reinforce the vice,
I stumbled across ANOTHER project - a Ruger Old Army barreled frame!

So now I must decide if I should dessecrate that too or see of some poor soul needs a new ROA adjustable sight frame and attatched barrel
before I start disassembling and choppin it up... If I keep it that barrel MUST come off to get all that printing skimmed off it.

BTW therre isn't much out there on ROA mods, did you know that the ROA accepts a Rogers & Spencer repro cylinder perfectly, no fitting need.

Edit...
Unfortunately the R&S cylinder does not quite pass  the range rod test .......
With a good cilinder pin, There is only a hint of catch . I wonder if RB would mind at all?


hmmm

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Re: removing Pietta barrel
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2019, 08:59:23 AM »
Professor, your buffalo hide story had me crying but not for the poor critter. Ive done a deer hide and a coon skin, way too much work. But I?ve always said, there is no why, there is only the is.
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