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Starting my second Kirst 1858
« on: April 22, 2019, 07:56:59 pm »
Wednesday I am picking up a 5.5" 1858 at the Verdi Nevada Cabelas when I am in the neighborhood (going to Reno VA for some medical appointments).  After talking to Walt Kirst, I think the PaleRider will go on the 5.5", as the ejector assembly is VERY hard to mount to the 5.5 inch barrel one. The 8" will be my gated conversion.  Of course, I will be shooting two 5 shots (like the original .46 Rimfire conversions), so I will have to re-label the cartridge boxes with .46 Rimfire labels!  The 1860 Colt will likely just be a back up.

I will post updates.
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Re: Starting my second Kirst 1858
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2019, 09:37:43 am »
Well, looking forward to seeing it. I assume you'll change grips on this one, too.

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Re: Starting my second Kirst 1858
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2019, 01:29:34 pm »
Well, got the second 1858 from Cabelas.  Nice and smooth, and typical trigger that is slightly heavier than it needs to be (to keep lawyers happy!).  Popped the pale rider Konverter in it, and it runs like a champ.  I took the gated Konverter and put it in the 8".  Timing is perfect.  Used my dremel and coarse emery wheel to cu t the channel in the recoil shield.  Roughly centered it on the bevel for capping.  Took about 45 minutes and 4 or 5 of the  1/2" emory drums.  Hit the channel I cut with cold blue, and cleaned it up.  REALLY sweet.  The ejector rod was out of stock, so waiting on it.  It is attached to the cylinder pin as one piece. Not to worry, though, as the first Remington 5 shot .46 Short rim fire conversions did not have an ejector rod.

Speaking of 5 shot conversions, the Kirst is 5 shot, like the original .46 Short Rim Fires.  I use a hollow base, round nose .45 ACP lead bullet in a .45 Schofield case to replicate the .46 Rim fire load.  The 1870s Winchester loading had a 230 grain, .451" heeled bullet with 28 grains of powder, making it virtually identical to the .45 Schofield loads issued by the Army, and nearly identical to the reduced (30 grains of BP) .45 Colt rounds, also issued by the Army.  Basically, the .46 Short Rim Fire was a rim fire version of the Schofield!

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Re: Starting my second Kirst 1858
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Re: Starting my second Kirst 1858
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2019, 02:23:32 pm »
Looks great! Did you order the speed ejector?

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Re: Starting my second Kirst 1858
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2019, 02:37:23 pm »
Nope, they have a new ejector that will work with the upcoming 22 LR Konverter for the 1858 also!  Apparently different from either the Mason style or the speed ejector.
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Re: Starting my second Kirst 1858
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2019, 02:40:39 pm »
Looking forward to seeing that. Post pics when you get it.

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Re: Starting my second Kirst 1858
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2019, 01:49:39 pm »
The nice thing about Kirst gated Konverters is you can use them immediately as a Pale Rider type, until you tackle the channel.  Cutting the channel with a Dremel is REALLY easy on the 1858.  Center on the cap charging scallop of the recoil shield and just keep going.  If you have a variable speed Dremel, use the faster speeds, but not quite all the way up.  I surrounded the hammer and areas around the channel with electrical tape in case I jumped out of the channel.  My Dremel is a Craftsman, but even a cheap Harbor Freight one works. 

Use liquid cold blue, putting it on heavy while the metal is still warm from grinding.  Leave it on a couple minutes until the coating turns white, then slosh another coat on and leave it on until it turns almost white. Wipe off with a clean dry rag, then rub in gun oil to polish it.
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Re: Starting my second Kirst 1858
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2019, 08:24:17 pm »
One sometimes has to learn these things the hard way. I forgot to cover my first one with tape. Fortunately I was able to polish it out and hit it with cold blue.

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