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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2019, 12:37:57 pm »

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Correct-a-mundo.  We are in fact talking about a #10 stainless split washer.  It's quick and dirty, simple and cheap.  The #10 washer sets down a little in the bottom of the barrel lug bore where the drill leaves a slight concave "dimple" in the bottom.  This will normally fix a Uberti barrel/armor fit.  Understand, 45 Dragoon and I have some differences with regard to Barrel to cylinder gap but no matter.  His washer and my washer both work quite well. 

We both agree, we have NEVER seen a Uberti Open Top nor Cap Gun with correct Barrel to Arbor fit.  If that fit is not corrected, there is no point in other work on the action.  Folks wind up chasing their tail trying to get the guns to set up correctly.  If you try and fix the head space and end shake on an Open Top without FIRST correcting barrel to arbor fit, you wind up with way too much head space and end shake when you get around to fixing the arbor fit.

My personal caveat is simple.  I don't like Uberti.  PERIOD. (Mike and I also disagree there) but no matter.  It is imperative .... Barrel to Arbor fit MUST be corrected FIRST!!!.  And again, yes, my solution without lots of machine work is a #10 split washer.  The Arbor will bottom and only minor sedge fitting will be required.  Burma Shave!!

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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2019, 02:10:16 pm »
Well "Shiver my timbers"! I was thinking 10 mm, but if it's just a plain-o' #10 I stand corrected. For what's if worth I did go back in the forum 'r-cheevies' and found posts that said both, 10mm and #10 splitters' for a arbor fix. I'll have to dig around in the shop and see what I do have. I still have a small bag of em I bought for arbor work.
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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2019, 03:22:39 pm »
Haaa!!  Hey Mike!!
   Well said, and since I'm not retired, I'm sorta like the ferry operator in Outlaw Josey Wales .  .  .   I've gotta sing the praises of Piettas and Ubertis with equal "in-thewseeazum" !! I can say that the 2nd gen Colts / ASM's (without a doubt!!) slow the shop down considerably!! There's a revamping of my website (way over due) that will reflect this  .  .  .   I'll also be offering New "ready to go" in the box revolvers as well.
   As I see it, both Pietta and Uberti offer a far superior product than we had/experienced in our younger days and possibly (in many respects) over the originals! Therefore, I don't think you can go too "wrong" with either!  Since this thread encompasses all replica revolvers, (and I know Mike doesn't like Remington's)  the Remington versions are quite remarkable arms after they've been "serviced"!! Just thought I'd throw that in since nobody else had .  .  .  nice thread !!!

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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2019, 04:26:05 pm »

Hiya Right back atcha Mike.  ;D

Full agreement.  I've been taking just enough work to keep from going completely Knutz.  That work also keeps me current with what is happening in the Cap Gun world. 

It's a fact.  The guns we are seeing now of recent production are leagues ahead of what we saw just a few years ago.  The offerings from Uberti and Pietta are really nice guns.  I still don't like Uberti but that is strictly a personal thing.  Once set up Uberti are fine guns.  I just like Pietta guns more better.  I can play with more bits and pieces to make some rather interesting and fun "never never" guns with Pietta.  I full realize the never never guns aren't histeraclly correct, but we aren't reenacting in CAS.  Just suppose to be having FUN.  Large gobs of FUN!!

A caveat though.  I don't like Remington.  PERIOD.  No matter who makes em nor caliber.  Personal thing.  I full realize there are those whom are aficanadsoes of Remington.  Some also like Boiled Okra.  Yhuck. 

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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2019, 02:56:31 am »

A caveat though.  I don't like Remington.  PERIOD.  No matter who makes em nor caliber.  Personal thing.  I full realize there are those whom are aficanadsoes of Remington.  Some also like Boiled Okra.  Yhuck. 

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whatever exactly is it about the remingtons that burns your  offends your sensibilities?

I have a "pile o' parts" R&S that seems to present itself as the "perfect solid frame C&B" that was actually made, mainly because one
can pop out the grip frame and substitute whatever one desires...

If it is the knuckle busting I am very slowly playing with some sacrificial frames to see what can be done along the lines of a Rogers and Remington ....

but then it will be another "neverwas"  ....

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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2019, 07:14:40 am »

Ah My Good Professor   :D

And a happy Howdy Doody too ya two!!  Most happy too elucidate.  First .... Remingtons are ..... well ..... Ugly.  Colt pattern guns be suave and sleek.  They look right and fit the hand, balancing well, all of those intangible but describable things.

Then we have the pain.  Remington(s) bark my Social Finger something fierce.  Matters not how I hold em, what after-market grips I use, nada.  Remingtons' just assault me.  I don't like to be assaulted.  Atz why I also don't care for square back trigger guards onna Colt.  Peculiar I am ... or is it Particular.  Anyway ...... I just don't like Remingtons.

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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2019, 08:37:21 am »
 Gotta agree with Coffinmaker !!! I just can't stand .  .  .  .  .  .  boiled okra!! Don't even like to look at it!!!

  As far as Remington's though, my intro to bp revolvers was a Rem. brasser ( 1978 ish) .  Mid. '80s I saw my first open top and was smitten and the Rem.  .  .  .  .    became "ugly"!!  Years went by (lots of um!!!!)  and I found myself being offered a trade for one of my " lesser" O.T.s with a Remington in steel!  Hmmmmm,  well Rems. didn't really look all that bad now (2014 ish) so, it happened!   Then a 5 1/2" model showed up in my safe (with a conv. cyl. of course)!! What a handy carrying size 45C six shooter!!  So,  I like um again!!!  They don't bite the finger and are intrinsically accurate (specially in 45C). So, I spent much too much time trying to figure out a coil handspring setup for them that would be SASS legal (no drilling the frame and such).  Besides, that's the most broken spring in a SA (Colt type action) so if ya can't fix that problem, no sense in fixing the others.  Finally got it and figured out the other two (it's so skinny in there!!) so now one could have a Remington with a Ruger life expectancy!!
  So, I guess I said all that to say, whether it's an Uberti, Pietta or any of the other previous makers, they can all be "modernized" with coil innards which makes me (and others) happy!
   
  So that's my take on the current production (as well as previous) Remington revolver.

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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2019, 05:32:00 pm »
Not to keep this thread from dragging on into eternity, I found some posts reference the arbor washer fix that not only advocating the use of #10 or 10mm split washer use, but some that advocated the use of a 5mm split washer. These were what I used in my split washer attempt to fix the arbor fit. I had musta have had a brain stall reference the 10 mm use as the 10mm would be to large in diameter. I found the washers I originally bought for arbor fixin, they were 5mm splitters. They're approx. the size of a Colt arbor minus a bit and are approximately the same size as #10's give or take in outside diameter. I still contend that some Uberti arbors are OK or so close that a shim or washer is to much as in four of my Uberti cappers and Richards II, although many out in shooters hands are not as has been mentioned. Not all of mine were right and needed fixin. My brass flat washers are .01, .02, .03, and .04" in thickness. A 5mm split washer is .03" in thickness and approx. the same diameter as #10's, my flat brass washers are of the same approximate outside diameter. As Abilene advised he believed newer production of unknown time period are a lot better than ones of previous manufacturer. Reference Remington's, I like them, do carry and shoot them, they're a stronger frame design but like the Colt's better, just something about the lines. A lot 'Prettier" revolver if that term can be attributed to a firearm. ;D ---- Boiled or baked "Okra" is on my do not eat list-slimy concoction of whatever, at least as to my experience with the stuff.
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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2019, 05:05:24 pm »
All things considered I would go for the third model Dragoon. Mostly because the loading latch is (somewhat) better and stays latched {usually}when shooting. As least if you stay away from warthog loads.
My third model is somewhat different looking because it has a fluted cylinder like the model P and the front and rear sight are dovetailed into the barrel.
I call it the 4th Model Dragoon. it is a lot heavier than my 1851 Navy but still fun to shoot.
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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2019, 09:39:26 am »
Last year I picked up a pair of Uberti 1951 Navy - London Models from Midway USA .  On Sale for 290 a piece. Almost a sequential pair by 1 number.....  Added slix nipples and did some work de-burring and working on the mainspring. Stoner the face of the hammer a bit to remove the burrs on the cylenter stop pen that causes cap sucking.  And cut the v notch on the hammer a little deeper and wider.    The thing about uberti's is they take a .380 ball vice the .375.   Mine shoot great and handle great.
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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2019, 10:59:19 pm »
My two 36 caliber cappers (1851 Navy and 1861 Navy) both prefer and have better outcomes with .380" balls also vs .375".
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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2020, 12:25:12 pm »
This is my first post, so please bear with me :-)

I have a Belgian Centaure (Centennial) 1st Variation, and Subvariation replica of an 1860 Army .44 made in 1963.  I've owned it since new.  It had two chainfires about 1964.  The second blew the barrel off destroying the wedge and the barrel stud/lug that accepts the loading lever latch.  Arbor is OK.  At the time, I wasn't able to find replacement parts that could be fitted.  I'd like to try again.  Any suggestions?

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Re: Questions About Current Percussion Replica Revolvers
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2020, 01:33:40 pm »

Well, lemme see.  That would be around 55 Years ago.  The Centaure has also been out of production for some years.  That would tend to make OEM parts difficult to find.  Your best and only choice is to Adapt and Overcome.

I would also suggest contacting Long Johns Wolf, whom lurks here on CAS City and had been known to have access to FROGS (Friends of the Centaure).  Might be able to help you find parts.

I personally have no idea if Pietta or Uberti parts are compatible but may be modified a bit to fit.

 

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