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Offline MikeM.

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Modern 44 Colt
« on: November 26, 2018, 08:15:04 pm »
Covered this a little in an earlier post of mine but I want to confirm. Can I reload modern 44 Colt cartridges using 44 Special/ Magnum dies or do I need to get 44 Russian dies?? Will the 44 Special shell holder work? Does anybody know where I can find some load data for this cartridge?? I have looked for dedicated dies for this but 44 Russian is as close as I have found. Any tips or advise or even favorite loads would be appreciated. I plan to use a lead RNFP 200 grain .429/.430  bullet and unique powder. Thanks!!!
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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2018, 09:49:21 pm »
I use .44 Russian dies for this cartridge.  The Lee ones are modestly priced and work great, and come with a shellholder.

The Hodgdon site and manual have lots of loads for them, I use 200g cast (from Chey-Cast).  I started with black powder loads, then moved to smokeless, using the same BP-lubed bullets for both. 

I am also loading plated 200g bullets from Ranier, with the starting loads in the Hodgdon manual using Universal, Clays, HP-38 and Trail Boss and they shoot fine.  Still working up the optimum load for accuracy.

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2018, 09:50:37 pm »
Mike,  You can reload the .44 Colt with .44 Spl. dies  The .44 Spl. shell holder will not work. It is too large for the .44 Colt.

I have never reloaded .44 Colt with Unique so can not recommend a load.  I load ffg Goex under a Mav Dutchman Big Lube bollit with good results at NCOWS matches. Have also loaded with Trail Boss with good results. I will put a link below with some load date to help get you started. It does not have Unique listed as the info comes from the Hodgdon web site and Unique is an Alliant product.
I know this is not a lot of information but I hope it helps.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2018, 11:18:07 pm »
Thanks Guys!!! Does anybody know what shell holder works best for it?? I have heard that a  30-30 shell holder works with it....

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2018, 07:15:34 am »
 Lee # 9
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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2018, 05:31:06 pm »
2nd on the Lee #9. I use the Lee 44 Mag Die Set, but I don't crimp with the seating die as I'm loading the 44 Colt Original with .451 Heeled Bullet. Fun cartridge to shoot, I'm using Black MZ. I think one could use Trail Boss also.

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2018, 06:02:54 pm »
Unique would likely work, but I use a lot of Unique in other cartridges, so I try to save it when I can.  I've been using W231/HP38 for light (open-top appropriate) loads in my modern 44 Colt revolvers.

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2018, 07:12:31 pm »
Griff, would you mind sharing the actual loads you use with your modern open top 44 Colts?? I would appreciate it...... thanks everybody, I think I have that holder too!!

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2018, 08:12:02 pm »
MikeM-Wonder why yer posting this again-same questions asked in your previous post, many answers were given to your like questions here on this posting. Not trying to be a wise guy, but go back and read the posts on your original post, the answers are there, nobody was lying to ya. ;D
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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2018, 08:29:29 pm »
Never thought anybody was lying , just wanted to see what other guys had to say about this and that post was on a different subject so some may not have seen it.. not trying to offend anybody.

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2018, 08:37:24 pm »
So no modifications have to be done to 44special/magnum dies to load modern 44 Colts then, right???

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2018, 10:38:25 am »
So no modifications have to be done to 44special/magnum dies to load modern 44 Colts then, right???

I can add a bit to this. I tried using .44 mag LEE carbide dies to load .44Rus, for my 1889 Reichsrevolver, but it didn't size the neck down enough to hold a bullet. I had an old RCBS non-carbide .44 Mag sizing die and tried it. That RCBS die had a two-diameter profile and the forward narrower part caught enough of the neck to do the trick. This might not be a problem, or a solution, for your situation, but there it is.
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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2018, 11:21:42 am »
Griff, would you mind sharing the actual loads you use with your modern open top 44 Colts?? I would appreciate it.

I'm reluctant to give specific load info.  I don't have a pressure barrel, nor have my loads been tested in a laboratory.  Besides that, I'm the proverbial "guy on the internet" who you shouldn't trust anyway.

I will note that I use Lee dies designed for the 44 Russian because that was recommended to me when I was getting started.

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2018, 06:29:05 pm »
I figured that the Russian dies would be a closer match...

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2018, 12:57:20 pm »
I tried the Lee #9 and the Lee#3 shell holder this morning and believe that the #3 actually fits the 44Colt rims a bit better than the #9 . Just thought I would share that with you guys .

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2018, 09:27:41 am »
About to order my Lee Carbide 44 Russian dies . I think I am going to go with a .430 200gr lead rnfp bullet from Missouri Bullet Company , Starline brass, and Trail Boss powder. Just out of curiosity, does anybody out there make a custom dedicated set of 44 Colt reloading dies??  Thanks for all the help guys!!

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2018, 12:17:39 pm »
Can anybody tell
Me if the Lee factory crimp die for the 44 Mag, Special, and Russian will work on the 44 Colt or is the Colt’s casing too short for it??

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2018, 08:54:20 pm »
Can anybody tell
Me if the Lee factory crimp die for the 44 Mag, Special, and Russian will work on the 44 Colt or is the Colt’s casing too short for it??


The LEE collet die depends on case length. It seems to me that The .44-40 LEE collet factory crimp die MIGHT work if shortened properly.

Alternatively, those Smiths that cater to reloaders of heeled bullets might have collet dies already done up to the right length. (Is it "Hoof Hearted", Gary Barnes?- having a seniors moment there!)
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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2018, 09:03:49 pm »
This is modern 44 Colt not the old heeled style. It is basically  a shortened 44 Special with a smaller rim.

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2018, 09:13:29 pm »
Can anybody tell
Me if the Lee factory crimp die for the 44 Mag, Special, and Russian will work on the 44 Colt or is the Colt’s casing too short for it??

I'm not sure about the seat/crimp die that comes with the 3-die set, although I feel like it should easily be able to seat down to 44 Colt.  But the .44 mag/spcl/russ. factory crimp die crimps them all:

https://leeprecision.com/carbide-factory-crimp-die-44sp44ma.html

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2018, 09:37:41 pm »
So you think the short 44 Colt casing will go far enough into the crimp die to get a good crimp??

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2018, 09:50:48 pm »
I will comment that the standard Lee seat/crimp die, which applies a roll-crimp, has worked fine for me.  I use their collet-type dies with other calibers, and sometimes the carbide factory crimp/seating die in .45 Colt, but I haven't felt the need in the .44 Colt.  Your mileage, as they say, may vary.

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2018, 09:56:47 pm »
Ok great! So there is really no need for the separate crimpling die. Sounds good to me

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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2018, 11:41:32 am »
This is modern 44 Colt not the old heeled style. It is basically  a shortened 44 Special with a smaller rim.

Yeah! I know. The collet crimps the mouth of the case - not the bullet.
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Re: Modern 44 Colt
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2018, 06:30:51 am »
I don't suppose the 44 Russian dies would also work for 44 Special too would they? I don't need the 44 magnum dies but it sure would be nice to only have to buy one set.