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Look at this Merwyn
« on: November 12, 2018, 07:22:59 PM »
Rock Island auction has a beautiful Merwyn Hulbert lot #2229. I'm going to
go look at it on preview day, but I believe it's a little out of my price range.



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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2018, 09:02:56 PM »
To make it a little bit easier:   https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/75/2229/engraved-merwin-hulbert-co-large-frame-single-action-revolver   

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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2018, 07:05:12 AM »
Wouldn't it be great if Miroku or Howa would make these Merwin revolvers again.

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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2018, 03:30:06 PM »
Well boys,  I'd allow as that Merwyn is drool-worthy.  Heck, DOUBLE drool-worhy. ;D

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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2018, 03:37:42 PM »
With regard to some company building Merwyn replicas there's likely a million reasons it would be deemed too difficult, or not enough of a potential market, or too darned expensive.   

Still, it seems to me that if an Italian company went through the pains of reproducing something like the Le Mat a Merwyn might not be that far-fetched.......we can always hope.

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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2018, 04:18:58 PM »
Guys - there's a seriously long-running thread on the repro 'Merwin-Hulbert' attempt/scam deeper on this Forum.

Rather than re-hash all of that, and 'why' no one is going to make it for the ten - fifteen guys who want one and are willing to pay over Colt SAA retail prices for same, I strongly suggest looking it up and reading 'all' of it.

C&WAS is a dying game - manufacturers aren't going to introduce a brand-new piece (especially a handgun) to the market, unless they can be assured of enough sales to cover 'all' of the associated costs, as well as a ready (and continuous) market.

C&WAS shooters 'all' want the unique piece and the special caliber, but it's a case of 'champagne dreams and a beer pocketbook', since while they might 'want' something, they only want to pay Cabela's 'doorbuster' prices when that outfit sells off the Ruger 'Vaqueros'.

The 'Merwin-Hulbert' is not a hunting gun - so that market's out - and C&WAS is dropping members like flies as they age out, so that doesn't leave a whole helluva lot of potential buyers.

If the manufacturers felt that there intended target would pony up the cash (and subsequent profit) - they'd've already built them.

Want one?

Buy a real one - they're out there.

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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2018, 04:20:49 PM »
Ah...some folks would just p*ss, moan and B*tch about it being something short of two shakes nor US made by UAW or IA's

I rather have the real deal !
 I'd have to sell a lung to put a deposit on Lot 2229,   Lot 3197 is a hot little commodity too.
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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2018, 05:31:03 PM »
I bought a REAL Merwyn off gunbroker a couple years ago, it has a couple areas where
the nickel came off and was allowed to rust. Unfortunately one area is where it says
calibre 1873 Winchester, which being a 44/40 guy I think was a really cool caliber designation.
Mine shoots fine single and double action. Living only 40 minutes from RIA it's awesome to
see some of the fantastic stuff that goes through there.



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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2018, 04:51:27 AM »
The closest I have ever gotten to one was this rather nice and well made Spanish made copy, with broken main spring.
After an exhaustive and futile  search for a replacement or even someone who would to try to make one I passed it on  :(

The gun had some good suction and the bore fair, being a shooter , and this one unable to shoot,  I allowed myself to be talked out of it.
Still have my dark recessive moments about doing that though  :-[

Though this Russian kinda helps the heart strings  :)
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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2018, 01:41:14 PM »
The closest I have ever gotten to one was this rather nice and well made Spanish made copy, with broken main spring.
After an exhaustive and futile  search for a replacement or even someone who would to try to make one I passed it on  :(

The gun had some good suction and the bore fair, being a shooter , and this one unable to shoot,  I allowed myself to be talked out of it.
Still have my dark recessive moments about doing that though  :-[

Though this Russian kinda helps the heart strings  :)
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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2018, 03:00:34 PM »
That was my plan...I tried for 8 months  ....no one was interested in making a spring ..and none were out there for sale ...


I decided to pay it forward and bought the Russian ....

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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2018, 03:19:49 PM »
Rodger,

That looks to be a sweet #3 Second Model Russian you have..
I have a couple and they both shot well and are comfortable in the hand, even with the large "hump" on the back strap.
I also have two #3 Third Model Russians. One with a broken mainspring (I have not shot), but the other one also shoots well and holds well in the hand.
I can not say the same thing about the repro #3-3rd Mod. While it shoots well, that back strap "hump" really digs into the tissue between thumb and forefinger.
I wish I knew just what it was. Something about the geometry of the profile between the new and the original. One day, perhaps?
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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2018, 05:05:45 PM »
Ah...some folks would just p*ss, moan and B*tch about it being something short of two shakes nor US made by UAW or IA's...

True.  The Merwin that Mike Harvey sent to Uberti some years back (and which they started to reverse engineer but then dropped it) had a plow handle grip, not the skullcrusher birdshead everyone wants, so the first models produced would have been that style.  Can you imagine how much complaining would ensue over that? 

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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2018, 05:47:12 PM »
True.  The Merwin that Mike Harvey sent to Uberti some years back (and which they started to reverse engineer but then dropped it) had a plow handle grip, not the skullcrusher birdshead everyone wants, so the first models produced would have been that style.  Can you imagine how much complaining would ensue over that? 

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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2018, 09:35:04 AM »
Making springs is fairly easy. Most folks who were (are) into muzzle loading or building ML can do one pretty easily.
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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2018, 09:48:03 AM »
Making springs is fairly easy. Most folks who were (are) into muzzle loading or building ML can do one pretty easily.
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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2018, 11:14:53 AM »
Try your local gun smith/mechanic. I would have said your local gun shop guy, but unless he is also a gunsmith, ask him who he sends work to.
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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2018, 12:22:57 PM »
Spring making is somewhat more complicated than it may seem.
I learned spring making when at Gunsmith school. It takes some rather specialized preparation work and knowledge of heat treating the specific steel used in the making of the spring.
Historical spring Steels will usually have more than 50 points of carbon (that is 1/2 of 1 %). This allows the steel to heat treated by, first, hardening and then tempering the spring. Usually in two separate heating stages.
Modern Spring Steel alloys require a specific heat temp, then a slow cooling in something like a kiln. (A rather specialized tool.)
None of this matters if the spring is not made to fit the object first! And this is where the "Smithing" knowledge and work comes into play.
I gave up doing this kind of work and let most all my specialized tooling go, including my forge.
I hope this may help?
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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2018, 06:28:38 PM »
I went to RIA today for preview day, and looked at and held (had to put white gloves on) 2229.
WOW what an absolute beautiful gun. It's hard to believe it can be nearly 140 years old.
It was more impressive in person, the way the light reflected off of the engraving.
Somebody with more money than me is going to have a real treasure, very neat to be
able to see, and hold, and drool anyways.

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Re: Look at this Merwyn
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2018, 09:47:04 AM »

MASOCHIST   :o   Might just as well go out inna garage and hit yer thumb wid a hammer  ;D

 

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