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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2019, 12:06:08 pm »
My understanding is that the Russians requested the ammo change from .44 American (outsized lube bullet) to the inside lube "Russian" style very early within S&W's production for them, and the large number of arms they were ordering from S&W, Smith was happy to comply for the same reason.


S&W's first offering to the US Gov. was in the .44 (Henry) rim fire. These were rejected. The US Army wanted a center fire. So, in hopes of getting a USA contract, Smith devoloped what became known as the .44-100 "American" centerfire. It was believed that centerfire cases would be easier for Armorers to reload and save on cost to the Gov.
US orders never amounted to much, but Smith kept the American chambering available

I can't quot were this "understanding" of mine comes from off hand... but I believe it is disscused in the Neal & Jinks book.

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2019, 01:20:55 am »
DJ thanks for all the info here, it's interesting and invaluable. I'd hazard a guess that give the way you deal with these subjects and going over ever tiny details of revolvers and cartridges, you must have an engineering background.

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #77 on: January 13, 2019, 05:28:11 pm »
Gave Cimarron a call last week and was told that the only hold up was getting the ok from the ATF to bring them into the country..They figure they will be on the shelves by June starting with the 45colt  models coming out first,,Other calibers will follow sometime around Sept.
Asked about price and was told (around $1100)


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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #78 on: January 13, 2019, 06:12:15 pm »
Usually for a new Uberti model, Mike Harvey will send them an original, but I'm pretty darn sure he didn't this time!



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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #79 on: January 13, 2019, 07:01:50 pm »
Always loved that particular revolver!  Cottonwood Springs is right here in Nebraska!
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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #80 on: January 23, 2019, 08:56:37 am »
Unless I missed it somewhere I don't see the American Model at Cimarron's booth for the SHOT Show. Abilene, what gives?  ??? ???

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #81 on: January 23, 2019, 10:26:41 am »
Unless I missed it somewhere I don't see the American Model at Cimarron's booth for the SHOT Show. Abilene, what gives?  ??? ???

Beats me.  This is my 2nd year of not going to Shot Show, so I'm out of the loop on some stuff.  I see A.D.Texaz or Shootin' Steele at Texican Ranger matches and ask them.   :)

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #82 on: January 23, 2019, 12:15:57 pm »
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/01/saddle-up-them-ponies-and-visit-cimarron-firearms-at-the-2019-shot-show/#axzz5dSJeq57J

This article mentions it:
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Cimarron’s Model #3 for 2019 is the 1st Model American in 45 Colt, 44-40 and 44 Special, Colt & Russian. The Military marked Army model also has inspector marks and a cartouche. Comes in an 8” or 5” barrel. The Model #3 American can be purchased in a blued or nickel finish with case colored latch, trigger guard and hammer. A civilian model will be available as well. MSRP is $1,163.50

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #83 on: January 23, 2019, 10:46:53 pm »
A nickel plated one would be sweet

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #84 on: May 12, 2019, 11:42:42 pm »
A nickel plated one would be sweet

Well, here it is nickel plated AND engraved!!  ;D  ;)  Go to the 1:50 mark. As well he calls it a "Schofield", but it's the new American Model:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdewE9QHWzQ

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #85 on: May 13, 2019, 12:05:15 pm »
From what I can see in the video... I'm very impressed with what has been done with this new S&W brake top revolver. I would feel much better about investing in this revolver now that I have seen this.
 I would not worry too much about it being called a 'Schofield", after all, many Americans call any and every large frame "type" S&W brake top revolver a "Schofield"! (bad on US)
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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #86 on: May 23, 2019, 12:28:13 am »
More info:


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Cimarron?s Model #3 for 2019 is the 1st Model American in 45 Colt, 44-40 and 44 Special, Colt & Russian. The Military marked Army model also has inspector marks and a cartouche. Comes in an 8? or 5? barrel. The Model #3 American can be purchased in a blued or nickel finish with case colored latch, trigger guard and hammer. A civilian model will be available as well. MSRP is $1,163.50.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/01/saddle-up-them-ponies-and-visit-cimarron-firearms-at-the-2019-shot-show/#axzz5oirWxuHY

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #87 on: May 23, 2019, 11:10:33 am »
FCK,

Do you know if the statement of being the "1st Model American" is in respect to the first model to be reproduced of this type S&W Revolver, or that they are actually reproducing a Model # 3 1st Model American?
Thanks!
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 Blair
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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #88 on: May 23, 2019, 11:24:44 am »
FCK,

Do you know if the statement of being the "1st Model American" is in respect to the first model to be reproduced of this type S&W Revolver, or that they are actually reproducing a Model # 3 1st Model American?
Thanks!
My best,
 Blair


Like all repros it is not going to be a perfect "clone" of an original I am sure. We will have to wait & see when one gets into the hands of a competent reviewer who can do a SxS with an original (Venturino, Chicoine, etc.). Regardless, it will be the ONLY clone of one ever made. Your only other option is buying/shooting an original.

This Uberti version does have the smaller trigger boss imitating the 1st Model American "flat bottom". Since Uberti doesn't use recoil plates on any clone that will be correct for this model as that didn't come into being until later per the Russians.

At least Cimarron/Uberti is trying to please us in this time of a dwindling CAS market that is a shell of what it was in 2000.

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #89 on: June 06, 2019, 09:35:10 pm »
I too, am looking forward to this coming out. I do want to point out one thing regarding the "purity" of the lengthening of the cylinder. There is a large majority of shooters out there who will never consider shooting black powder, so the decision to make it longer to accept today's rounds vs the ability to run on bp is good business, and allows us to shoot these guns today.
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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #90 on: July 16, 2019, 06:40:54 am »
So, we're now half way thru July, anyone seen one of these yet? ???

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #91 on: July 16, 2019, 09:55:13 am »
Last time I talked to one of the Cimarron guys, he told me it was probably going to be next year.

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #92 on: July 16, 2019, 10:45:04 am »
Ok, gives my kids more time to raise the money so I don't have to pay for my own retirement present. ;D

Hey, I can dream can't I? ::)

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #93 on: July 18, 2019, 10:42:48 pm »
But that's what they said last year

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #94 on: August 20, 2019, 11:05:48 pm »
Gave Cimarron a call last week and was told that the only hold up was getting the ok from the ATF to bring them into the country..They figure they will be on the shelves by June starting with the 45colt



Got my name on the list ...Still sitting here by the phone. :-\

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #95 on: October 05, 2019, 10:12:29 pm »
ANNNNNNND ,,,still waiting.. :-\

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #96 on: October 16, 2019, 09:22:03 pm »

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #97 on: October 16, 2019, 09:41:10 pm »
Dang, at least wipe the fingerprints off the gun!   ;D

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #98 on: October 17, 2019, 07:34:30 pm »
That video is from March 2019,,,I talked to Cimarron and they said they would be here by June 2019,,Put my name on a list,,,Still waiting. :(

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Re: Cimarron's new American model!
« Reply #99 on: October 18, 2019, 02:05:30 am »
Just another 60 days   ??? ...I've been down that rabbit hole...

and another 60,  and another etc.   obviously they exist , Uberti would love to see the profit roll in as would Cimarron....

Probably sitting in limbo...betwixt  US customs  , Tariffs ,  and Feds Regulations  yada yada

I'd like one but my Jets have cooled some in the wait
when planets align...do the deal !