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Sailor Uniforms
« on: October 09, 2018, 09:28:13 pm »
Gentlemen,  For all you guys that want to do a sailor impression, What Price Glory has U.S. Navy white World War 1 uniforms in stock.  Real reasonable, too.  This is your chance to portray a squi.........., I mean sailor in a landing party!
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Re: Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2018, 08:18:32 am »
Did he just call us "Gentlemen?"
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Re: Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2018, 11:55:42 am »
I thot it t'were one of them 'spellcaster' errors. Gentlemen, us? ;D

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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2018, 03:50:58 pm »
Yeah, and he's MET MOST OF US.

I think he's being a SMARTA$$$$$$.    ;D

maybe

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Re: Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2018, 06:41:40 pm »
Gentlemen,  For all you guys that want to do a sailor impression, What Price Glory has U.S. Navy white World War 1 uniforms in stock.  Real reasonable, too.  This is your chance to portray a squi.........., I mean sailor in a landing party!

I was thinking more along the lines of "Holman" (aka Steve McQueen) in "The Sand Pebbles", one of the best movies he made. Lots of Springfields, Lewis Guns and BAR's.

McQueen actually knew how to use the sights on his Springfield when he upped the ladder sight to shoot the Chinese Coolie who was being tortured.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2018, 10:45:33 pm »
I thought sailor uniforms were a forbidden subject.
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Re: Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2018, 09:38:27 am »
I thought sailor uniforms were a forbidden subject.
Well, not so much forbidden as politely danced around. ;D
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Re: Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2018, 09:42:13 am »
I was thinking more along the lines of "Holman" (aka Steve McQueen) in "The Sand Pebbles", one of the best movies he made. Lots of Springfields, Lewis Guns and BAR's.

McQueen actually knew how to use the sights on his Springfield when he upped the ladder sight to shoot the Chinese Coolie who was being tortured.
I love that movie

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Re: Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2018, 11:48:54 am »
Well done!

Steve McQueen always handled guns in his movies as though he was quite familiar with them. Almost as good as Lee Marvin in "The Professionals".

One of the best scenes in "The Sand Pebbles" was when he was training Mako to be his engine room coolie:  "St'm live - st'm dead!" Next would be the fight scene in the blind pig with "Ski".

Another good sailor depiction would be the squids in "The Wind & The Lion" with Sean Connery. Great guns and drill!
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Re: Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2018, 06:24:21 pm »
Gen Pitspitr- are those pictures from the Colorado Muster last month? I never knew you to do a Navy impression.

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Re: Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2018, 08:48:28 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2018, 06:15:47 am »
Gen Pitspitr- are those pictures from the Colorado Muster last month? I never knew you to do a Navy impression.
No, the American Zoot Shooters World Championships, Labor Day Weekend (it was in Colorado though). And technically as per AZSA rules I was a Coastie, but I used the Sand Pebbles for inspiration.
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Re: Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2018, 12:43:21 pm »
Having reviewed the WPG crackerjacks, I can say they can work or be made  to work from the mid 1880's until the 1950's.  You can even cut most of the tar flap away to recreate the short lived 1913 working blouse.  The hard part is finding the proper Donald Duck hat to go with the blues.  The Dixie cup first appeared in the 1880s, about the time of the ABCD ships, first units of the New Steel Navy.

I'm especially excited about the dress whites, that's a pattern that has not been seen for a LONG time.  I may need to get a set of those.
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Re: Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2018, 01:11:52 pm »
Col. What did you ever find out about the chambray and Dungarees?
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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2018, 01:40:01 pm »
Both were adopted in 1913,  and stayed virtually unchanged until the mid 90s.  They principly replaced the working blue crackerjack uniform.  For dirty work aboard ship, and never to be worn off base stateside, though they could be seen in armed landing partys overseas, especially after WW1.

The coast guard adopted dungarees about the same time, but discarded them earlier, in 1981.
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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2018, 01:56:14 pm »
Both were adopted in 1913,  ...they could be seen in armed landing partys overseas, .
So, Veracruz?
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2018, 02:50:26 pm »
https://goo.gl/images/uDnX4x

Most images I've seen of Veracruz show sailors in working Blues.  I think Dungarees were pretty much reserved for the Black Gang until well after WW1.  And the helmets would not show up until the 1920's.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2018, 05:00:02 pm »
And the helmets would not show up until the 1920's.
I know that's why I picked the picture with the dixie cup to ask about
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2018, 08:38:08 pm »
Actually, the dungaree uniform of 1913 looked pretty much like the undress whites, only made from denim. No chambray type shirt mentioned in the regs of 1913.

1913 regulation:
http://www.quarterdeck.org/uniforms/1913/1913%20Plates%2020-29%20Enlisted.pdf
check plate 24
Note the other uniform-blue flannel shirt similar to the army shirt we wear.
Here's the 1917 regs:
http://www.quarterdeck.org/uniforms/1917/Plates%20Enlisted%2020-29.pdf
Again check plate 24.


In the 1947 regs, the chambray shirt is to be worn when the denim jumper is not worn, but there's no mention of them in the earlier regs.


From the 1917 regs:Dungarees may be worn on board cruising vessels:

a. By the engineer and dynamo room force when on duty

b. by gunners mates, turret captains, electricians, mechanics and men ....in care of machinery below decks...while employed at work that would damage the white uniform.

c. by engineer crews of steamer and power boats.

"Dungarees shall not be worn or had in possesion by other men"

So it appears that by regulation, dungarees would not be worn by a landing party. However, what actually happens and what is regulation don't always match.


(It's a pdf file so I couldn't cop/paste the text, that's why the ...   Because I don't like to type that much."


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Re: Sailor Uniforms
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2018, 08:49:48 pm »
Images from Vera Cruz:

http://www.thortrains.com/online/veracruz1.htm

Most sailors are wearing "white"(or coffee) undress, but a few are wearing blues. Leggins are khaki.

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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2018, 09:15:18 pm »
I had thought that the  chambray shirt had been adopted at the same time as the dungaree trousers, but I see that may not be the case.  I have seen photo's of them going back to the late 1920's, but the actual adoption date is elusive.  More research is needed.
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2018, 04:35:27 am »
I’m fairly certain that the Dixie Cup of the WW1 era and earlier bears only a slight resemblance to the WW2 and later styles.  The earlier variants were more akin to a rain hat.

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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2018, 10:26:42 am »
Grenadier, you might want to watch the 1915 video I posted above.
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2018, 10:49:35 am »
Images from Vera Cruz:

http://www.thortrains.com/online/veracruz1.htm

Most sailors are wearing "white"(or coffee) undress, but a few are wearing blues. Leggins are khaki.

I note the dying of whites with coffee. The British are said to have done the same thing in India when on campaign, but used tea, of course! This was the birth of the universal 'Khaki', Hindi for dusty.

Same for the origin of Puttees, Hindi for 'patti', or bandage. They also became universal. I wore them in the Canadian Army up to the early 1970's when we retired our Khaki Battle Dress uniform.
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